from labour we ll be joined byjonathan reynolds, who is after herjob. with donald trump plotting a course back to the white house, what would that mean in what seems like an increasingly dangerous world? we ll hear from the boss of america s navy. we ve had both republican and democratic presidents who always abided by the core values of our country, and when you have someone who doesn t align to those core principles, it makes you wonder, you know, should you be supporting that individual? morning, morning. the public s in charge yes, you. with me at the desk, the former conservative cabinet minister nadine dorries, luke tryl, from the research group more in common who put together the groups of voters we met on wednesday, and labour mp dr rosena allin khan, who recently quit her job as shadow minister for mental health. but first, kemi. welcome to the studio this morning. how would you describe the mood of the country at the moment? something which i see in the country
seconds you would see it. after that you would realize he s a total psychopath, but a lot of people are susceptible to his charisma. don junior and ivanka don t have any of that. they don t survive politically without him. they don t survive in business without him. no, i don t see that, them running. hopefully they ll all end up in jail. i m pulling my punches again. i wanted to give you a chance to explain what you meant by all that. one of the reasons donald got as far as he got is, besides the fact that there s always somebody around to enable him who has more power and more intelligence than he does, he does have charisma. he is charismatic. it s a charisma that doesn t appeal to me, but it clearly appeals to tens of millions of people in this country. i don t see anybody else at the top of the republican party who has the same kind of sway with other with their voters. and it s certainly not my
to remain relevant. they continue to empower him. they continue to seek his endorsements and his permission. and he continues to control the base. and the other thing i would say is that one of the reasons we re in the mess we re in is because historically as a country, we have never been able to hold ourselves accountable, let alone powerful leaders who have either committed crimes or committed unconstitutional behaviors. so there is a direct line from that to donald. and i think it s time we don t turn the page and we take a long hard look at where we are and how we got here and why we continue to be so vulnerable to autocratic, cruel and incompetent leaders like donald. you even ask repeatedly recently if you think he ll run again. a more interesting question i thought you were asked if you thought his kids might seek higher office. i want to read the response that you gave. you wrote, my uncle is such a buffoon, but he does have charisma. if you met him for the first ten
thank you very much. jenna: back to politics now. what is the right combination for charm and stature in a commander in chief? how big a role does charisma really play in a presidential election? if history is any indicator, it may surprise you. we re going to discuss that, charisma, coming up next. but first, how a daughter and his a doctor and his daughter survived arrest a plane runs out of gas mid air over the atlantic ocean. a worst nightmare for so many of us. but look, they sur vised. they survived. your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today.
could sky dive at 80 years old and nobody accused him of having charisma. so it doesn t really connect that much with the voters. it s not exactly what the voters are looking forbes although i m sure if it comes along they d like to see it. jon: we identify charisma with leadership so often and there have been charismatic leaders i suppose hitler was probably charismatic. charismatic leaders can really get an awful lot done but we don t necessarily want awfully our leaders to be charismatic. there are times that call for that but there are times in knowing how to deal with congress, how to run the executive branch. it s not all making speeches from the oval office. no, there s an awful lot that we expect our leader to do. that doesn t really relate to charisma. we turn the government over