Or corky from the Night Manager, youll certainly recognsie this famous face. Tom hollander and his fellow actor will keen on stage, on putin and russias billionaires. And with me the real life logan roy. Actor brian cox is back after the huge success of the drama succession. Rain newton smith, the boss of the cbi battling to save it, and salma shah, tory insider and former adviser at the home office. Morning, morning. Promises, promises the conservatives made some huge ones in the past on imigration and they simply havent been kept. Before we talk about that lets take a look at some of the front pages. Theres no one story that dominates today. The sun looks ahead to holly willoughby� s return to the Tv Sofa Tomorrrow after all that drama. The mirror suggests auntie holly, claiming the bbc is trying to poach her. Who knows . The sunday times features one of our Talking Points today whats going on at the cbi, suggesting the former boss tony danker is going to sue. And our main conversation, migration, today on the front page of the Sunday TelegraphAsylum Seekers ordered to share a room. We will talk to the Immigration Minister about that in a couple of my opinions time. Welcome to all of you. Brian, you speak your mind, like logan roy, you have been previously outspoken on this governments approach to immigration, why . Governments approach to immigration, why . Governments approach to immiuration, wh . ~ ~. , immigration, why . Well, i think that immigration immigration, why . Well, i think that immigration has immigration, why . Well, i think that immigration has been immigration, why . Well, i think that immigration has been a immigration, why . Well, i think that immigration has been a problem immigration, why . Well, i think that. Immigration has been a problem that, we, really we are suffering from things that we have done in the past, and that is why we have the Immigration Problem we have. You know, the stetle of The Middle East and what is happened over the years, and what is happened over the years, and i think it is, we are finally reaping what we sow and i think that is the real root of the problem. Unfortunately you will get these gangs who will exploit that, and exploit it for the worse, and you also have people who are genuinely trying to escape from something which is pretty horrific, and the world is, the great irish playwright Shaun O Casey Said is in a terrible state of chaos and it is the, it is the actually as a result of that chaos, that we have the problem with immigration, a and of course this government has not been able to deal with it. It should have been able to deal with it but it is difficult for any government. 50 deal with it but it is difficult for any government. Deal with it but it is difficult for any government. So there a limit to what they can any government. So there a limit to what they can do. Any government. So there a limit to what they can do. Absolutely. Any government. So there a limit to what they can do. Absolutely. I any government. So there a limit to | what they can do. Absolutely. I have talked to five what they can do. Absolutely. I have talked to five former what they can do. Absolutely. I have talked to five former home talked to five former Home Secretaries who have made that point. Said there are things we can go but globalforces point. Said there are things we can go but Global Forces are so huge but on things the government can role control, it looks like a mess why . I think the difficulty here session the politics of the debate round immigration is not nuanced and it doesnt immigration is not nuanced and it doesnt reflect the reality of what immigration actually is, brian has talked immigration actually is, brian has talked about the Global Forces, that is a big talked about the Global Forces, that is a big impact, then there is the process is a big impact, then there is the process of is a big impact, then there is the process of who is coming, why are they coming process of who is coming, why are they coming and using these routes which they coming and using these routes which the they coming and using these routes which the government can have some control which the government can have some control over. Which the government can have some control over, some, not a lot. And also control over, some, not a lot. And also for control over, some, not a lot. And also for the control over, some, not a lot. And also for the politics of it there is the toxicity round the debate of the consequences of migration so there are questions about changing community, about straying on Public Services, community, about straying on Public Services, all community, about straying on Public Services, all of them are legitimate, there is not a single policy legitimate, there is not a single policy that will be able to capture and correct everything that is going wrong and correct everything that is going wrong in and correct everything that is going wrong in that process. You and correct everything that is going wrong in that process. Wrong in that process. You said it is not nuanced wrong in that process. You said it is not nuanced enough. Wrong in that process. You said it is not nuanced enough. You wrong in that process. You said it is not nuanced enough. You werei wrong in that process. You said it i is not nuanced enough. 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All Political Parties have used it to create, you know, wins, and, making it to create, you know, wins, and, making it it to create, you know, wins, and, making it about number, i think has been making it about number, i think has been a making it about number, i think has been a real making it about number, i think has been a real tragedy, making it about number, i think has been a realtragedy, i making it about number, i think has been a real tragedy, i am sure rain is going been a real tragedy, i am sure rain is going to been a real tragedy, i am sure rain is going to talk about that, that nuance is going to talk about that, that nuance between economic migration and cultural migration, that has never and cultural migration, that has never been properly Bernie Ecclestone mored. Never been properly Bernie Ecclestone mored. , ecclestone mored. There is something stran. E ecclestone mored. There is something strange going ecclestone mored. There is something strange going on. 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