slon sondland, the eu ambassador, whether he s going to tell a story today that is different than this is just a matter of policy and preferences. there he was when he just entered moments ago. we believe that the testimony is going to begin at the top of the hour so stay with cnn. this is a day to remember. (vo) the moth without hope, struggles in the spider s web.
to get to one place. and that is to have ukrainians investigate joe biden. the other interesting point we ve heard day after day, chris, is that this was a policy disagreement. that the bureaucrats are trying to undermine the president because they didn t like his policy. and we know from covering washington all these buildings around us, all these different agencies, state, pentagon, they can be at cross purposes sometimes if they disagree with policy. that s a real thing. the difference here is not what they would have you believe is the loyalty test. the difference is saying, no, the president was pursuing a policy that was about investigating another american, a political opponent. that goes beyond policy differences. it s not a policy. right. it is not an official policy. there were huge policy differences within the government, in the iraq war. you know, and you saw leaking and you saw disagreements play out, not like this. this is different. this isn t the president
stuff. i noted that there was big stuff going on in ukraine. like the war with russia and ambassador sondland replied that he meant big stuff that benefits the president. like the biden investigation that mr. giuliani was pushing. so here what sondland was doing in this conversation was discussing these investigations. these investigations that would benefit president trump politically and also claiming that that s the only thing that president trump really cared about when it came to ukraine. very, very important. kylie atwood doing excellent reporting for us, as usual. you know, chris, gordon sondland, he s represented by a well-known, highly respected washington attorney who i m sure is telling him, gordon, ambassador, you ve got to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth no matter where that winds up. otherwise you ll be in big trouble. absolutely. i mean, look. this isn t just about going in and having a candid conversation. he has to worry about his
he only cares about getting this information about the bidens and the 2016 ukrainian intervention in the u.s. election. that s what he cares about. and that s why it matters which gordon sondland shows up today because, really, his story has shifted over a period of months. if we go back to the text messages that have been released between sondland and ambassador taylor, they were going back and forth and taylor says, i think it s crazy to withhold assistance conditioned on these investigations, these political investigations. and then there s this remember, there s this delay of hours before sondland gets back to him and says, oh, no, that s not really what s going on. then there s sondland s closed testimony where he says one thing. then he comes back and corrects his testimony. so sondland has not been consistent. and today is really his one last opportunity in open session under oath to say what is really going on. important distinction here is not that the president wanted a