no physical explanation yet. when i talk to leonard he says you know, leonard says one day we ll have an explanation. i say that s a promissory note. in the current economic situation i don t cake promissory notes. larry: faith doesn t require proof? sometimes when people set up some dichotomy, science versus physics i don t quite get it because the grand design is about what the modern theories of science say about the universe and if you want to believe something on faith you can. we don t we don t claim to prove in the book there is no god or tell you not to believe in god. we just talk about the answers of modern science to those two questions, how did the universe get here and why are the laws what they are? larry: how about those who say, an astronaut would say, look, is nothing the only thing is that blue planet. and how can you say nothing created that? that that came out of nothing? those rivers?
the only position i have is god did not create the universe, god became the universe. okay. larry: deepak, what do you think of stephen hawking? i think he s the most important figure in our time. he has iconic stature, similar to einstein in our time. he his mind roams the edges of the universe. he s most significant scientist. he has the greatest amount of perceived authority in the world right now. larry: father spitzer, what do you think of stephen hawking? i think he is obviously a very intelligent physicist. i think at the same time, though, certainly capable of oversights, as we all are, particularly the oversight about nothingness, giving rise to something in the absolute sense, with all due respect to deepak. i think also maybe even some logical errors that might be
physical world. at the end of it he said there are areas of the human spirit untrammelled by the physics. things of art, things of beauty. at the end of the day the light beckons ahead and the spirit surging within our natures respon respon responds. what he meant by that is there s a lot more to us than merely physics. even m theory, that there s something transcendent. human beings desire at the core of their being. larry: deepak, if people talk to a heavenly father and believe from that talk they get solace, so what? yes, nobody objects to that. on the other hand, as father spitzer said, human beings have a need for meaning. now, you know, leonard and stephen hawking in the book categorically state that this is a deterministic universe, that therefore, free will is an illusion. by saying that, they also imply
fundamental level of the universe. and nothing in the book, nothing in the book invalidates any of these three ideas, transcendence, interconnectedness and our desire and our ability to embrace joy, loving, kindness, peace of mind, equinimity, math mat iccal truth. where do these thing come from? they exist at the fundamental level of space time geometriry. just like super positions of possibility contain spin and charge and gravity and time as possibility, so, too, does mathematical truth and platonic values. that s what sir roger pendrose, an often-time colleague ofstein hawking said.
made especially in logical determinism. larry: leonard, are you going to do a book with deepak? we re talking about that. yeah. larry: and the theme would be what? well, it would probably be something related to what we re talking about today. his point of view, i have my point of view. we thought discussion of that could be of interest to people. larry: let s assume, it s a fair assumption, the three of you are being interviewed by an idiot. can we assume there are three idiots sitting around the table trying to understand the universe? larry: i don t know. effective means of asking questions. i don t know. the first simple question, let s start with you, leonard. who created the nothing? how can something come out of nothing? where did the nothing come from? does there have to be a something a beginning? so around the turn of the 20th century, physicists started