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♪ when i picked those balls out, at that point, you know to me, they were perfect. i don't know what happened. i -- i have no explanation for it. i don't have no explanation for what happened. i was completely and totally unaware of any of this that we're talking about in the last couple of days until monday morning. i was as surprised as anybody when i heard monday morning what was happening. >> yeah, that was the most uncomfortable news conference. >> this is sad. this is the story. >> good morning, everybody. >> unbelievable. >> mike richard, steve here. >> shocked to find gambling
going on. >> can we just admit that this whole thing, this whole bit of nonsense nonsense? you've got football players who weigh 275 pounds that are weighted out that are on so many illegal drugs that they can run a 4-6-40. when they hit a quarterback, it is the impact as willie always says as a car accident and nobody cares about that. but we have the media freaking out about whether a ball was inflated to 12.5 -- 11 -- 12.5 pounds per square inch 10.5? i mean can we just admit this is about the great american sport of hating? >> no. >> of hating? >> no. >> no, no no no of hating the new england patriots.
because if the patriots had scored 35 points in the first half with a deflated balls, i would say, okay let's at least talk about it. but, mika when they played with regulation balls, they outscored the colts 35-0. one of the colts' tweeted yesterday, tom brady could have been passing a bar of soap and they still would have beaten us. >> no you can't cheat. if roger goodell wants to start the year on a fresh note doing the right thing every time, he out to say the one game suspension. oops, super bowl, sorry. >> come on. >> he cheated. it's cheating. >> no. >> mike is it cheating? >> first of all, this is increasingly ridiculous story. >> it is. >> so important, the nfl. tom brady yesterday has the nfl investigated, spoken to you yet? >> no. >> four days into the thing, no one has spoken to him? this is ridiculous. >> mike does it make it easier
if you deflate the balls by two pounds for the quarterback? >> obviously not. >> why do they test? why do they test? >> mika obviously not because when the balls were deflated he didn't do as well. when the balls were at regulation size -- >> i just want to hear you guys talk about this. >> i want to get on the real news. >> yeah. >> seriously watching tom brady yesterday -- first of all, i got to say the spectacle of watching belichick throw brady under the bus and then brady throwing some -- some like unnamed equipment boy under the bus is a sore spectacle. but this seriously is much ado about nothing. right here. come on. >> lord i just -- >> hold it up, mika. hold it up mika.
yeah. >> okay. he kept talking about him yesterday and said they were. there's nothing wrong with them. >> all right. >> telling the truth, football fans. i'm sorry. baseball pitchers are constantly scotching and babying. this is -- this is so run of the mill, is it not? if this weren't the patriots if this weren't the patriots nobody -- the patriots -- >> you're on to something there. basically this is not a one off. it's a scenario of a team bending the rules in excellence. and that bugs people for good reason. >> the patriots are guilty until profit ven proven innocent. >> it is. >> something, something happened. >> we don't know. >> you have 11 balls that are below the minimum. something happened. >> crack nfl investigating. >> so former jacksonville
quarterback who, i liked when he was a quarterback and i think he's a nice guy, mark brunelle was on yesterday. seriously you would have thought the hindenburg had just crashed. >> i did not believe what tom had to say. those balls were deflated. somebody had to do it. i don't believe there's an equipment manager in the nfl that would, on his own initiative deflate a ball without the starting quarterback's approval. i just -- i just didn't believe what tom brady had to say. >> you seem pretty emotional about this. >> it's disappointing because -- because my experience is -- listen, i started 151 games. there wasn't one game ball that i didn't put my hands on. >> you know what mika i think we need to move on. >> pull yourself together. why don't we talk about the king of one of the most powerful
countries dying. >> fascinating. >> leave this to the haters. okay. come on. >> we'll get back to this. >> we've got paul ryan coming up. >> it's fun watching all of these guys trying to dance around the words here. all right. but now to real news here. thousands will bid farewell to a powerful u.s. allies. a state funeral is being held this morn for king abdullah following the muslim traditions the king's body will be buried in an unmarked grave. he ensured stability in his country despite the threats on islamic state militants and arab spring revolt. the 90-year-old died after being hospitalized with pneumonia. king abdullah is being praised for spending billions of dollars for modernize education in the country. the king opened up the economy and saw saudi arabia enter the world trade organization. he also ushered in reforms for women. although critics say they didn't go nearly far enough. world leaders were quick to pay
tribute. president obama praised king abdullah for being a candid leader who always had the courage of his convictions. and referencing iraq's invasion of kuwait in 1990 former president george h.w. bush said he would quote, never forget the way saudi arabia and the united states stood together against a common foe. a long-time u.s. ally he supported the country's efforts to defeat al qaeda and crack down on extremism, but saudi arabia also faced questions in 15 of the 9/11 hijackers were from that country. saudi arabia is the world's top producer of oil and king abdullah's death sent shock waives through market. crude prices surged amid uncertainty the country would maintain production levels. his brother will take over the throne but he is 79 years old and there has been speculation he suffers from dementia. >> well, that's a good person to put in charge of saudi arabia. isn't it now? i don't have these -- i never
get these in the right order. but you know, when we're talking about the king's record king abdullah's record, he seems and the country still seems after the reforms and modernizations we hear ability, to fit churchill's amazing phrase about the soviet union that says mystery wrapped in a riddle, or however you sort those out. yes. there were some reforms and, yes, he was ally of the united states but he also and his government helped promote a hateful strand of islam that has caused the word unspeakable misery over the last decade. >> i thought what mika had to say was all true but it wasn't the whole story. >> yep. >> he effectively ran the country for 20 years, formally for 10 ran it for 20. he was constrained because saudi arabia is all about the deal, deal between the political establishment, his family, and the relinl jous establishment,
education, religious training and so forth. during his time, yes, he did all those things. the society itself incredibly conservative still. reforms were quite limited. plus its teachings in religious academies continued to be what they were. saudi arabia may have been by its standards slightly possessive but the country is still quite reaction their. a lot of what's going on in the arab world, a lot of the reactionary political thinking and so forth can be traced back to saudi arabia. so there are limits to what he would and could do in terms of being a reformist. >> we had this conversation let's bring in ayman mohyeldin. we had this conversation since paris time and time again. you brought up after the paris bombings that it's not -- the paris shootings, it's not an indictment so much on all of islam but a violent strand of islam, a reactionary strand of islam that doesn't represent the
greater religion the greater faith. you pointed out that saudi arabia was key in promoting that violent brand of islam. >> well, it was certainly key in promoteing the ideology that gave birth of that violence and something what richard was saying there. it is because of the power structure of saudi arabia it's very tribal. in cutting the elite between the ruling family and relinl jous establishment, there was for decades a push by saudi arabia to export this ideology first to some parts to serve the interest of the united states. for example, when they were fighting against the russians in afghanistan, saudi arabia was a huge supporter of that effort funneling millions of dollars. but at the same time get that ideology going to recruit people from around the world to fight what they were then describing as a jihad. but the problem is since then that ideology has continued to expand and morphed into a more militant strand that what we've seen and that's what's effectively given rise to that
ideology. >> steve ratner let's talk about saudi arabia's overall 1973, 1974 the oil shocks the oil embargo, the rise of opec. this is a country that has had such a say in the rise and fall of america's economy. do we see where the passing of this king, the beginning of a new era of decreased saudi influence because what's happening in the united states? i mean we literally have people in the dakotas, in texas, i mean, across the united states who are struggleing today because we've gotten become so efficient in pulling oil out of the ground. >> sure. go back to 1973, one of the reasons why opec and the saudis were able to put the embargo in place was because all oil consumption was risen quickly and ours was declining so they had the power of the marketplace. opec as a whole is still producing 40% of the world's oil. all our additional oil is, in
fact replacing oil that's declining in other parts of the world. i just give maybe look at saudi arabia from their perspective. i went there in the late '70s when i was a oil reporter for the "new york times." and back then everybody was saying the saudis monarchy can't last, it's archaic, you know, the place is going to crumble. here we are now almost 40 years later and they're still there. king abdullah put saudi arabia together in 1932 and basically ruled by six or seven of his sons, 22 wives, joe, and a lot of sons. >> 38 sons. >> 38 sons since then. the other way to look at saudi arabia is -- >> point to me when he said 22? >> i pointed over there. >> i mean i've had two. come on. 22 wives. >> fair enough. >> at the same time. only four at a time actually. >> the point is that for all of the talk of saudi being unstable and certainly there are issues
they have managed transitions from king to king pretty seamlessly. and dementia i think some people thought he had a stroke but they've already put in place the younger son of king abdullah as crown prince. so i think we are lucky in a way, put aside the geopolitical aspects. from the oil point of view we are lucky they have been so stable for so long. >> i want to ask richard about that and also how yum men plays into this which is a country now on the brink of chaos. yemen's president, prime minister, and cabinet resigned on thursday amid pressure from shiite rebels who had taken control of the presidential palace. local government officials tell the associated press that president hadi resigned after respectre rejecting the rebel's demands. the american backed the government with a key ally in the fight against al qaeda in the region and officials here in the u.s. worried such disarray could complicate those e67 for thes. the state department has now responded by removing personnel
from the american embassy in the capital city of a rising safety. >> richard haass, this is chaos. chaos in point. these are shiites. the rebels are even -- >> two points. if saudi arabia handled the immediate succession he's 79. the new crown prince is 69. they have not handled the long-term succession issue. as you move to the next generation i think there's real issues. the bigger question though is can they rule can they govern? they've got yemen to deal with the iran challenge, nuclear challenge, isis throughout the region. >> icy in saude isis in saudi arabia? >> islamic state. what's the bull's-eye? it's got to be the country who oversees the two holy shrines of islam. >> how much unrest has there been in saudi arabia? >> not much. it's incredibly buttoned down.
the eastern province shia not sunnis, where the soil is. more broad any in the society. >> why doesn't saudi arabia work more with the united states with clearing out western iraq? you've got the iranians working on baghdad. i mean basically being a de facto ally of the united states in our fight. as we show the map you have iraq and syria. you have iran is actually working central iraq. as you look there where iran and iraq's border meets and baghdad is a little bit less of that. you've got the iranians there. you've got the kurds working the northern part. why doesn't saudi arabia aggressively work on anbar province with us? >> i think they should. >> the question is why aren't they? >> focusing on the civil war in syria. in some ways some of groups they funded and fueled made the situation worse. some of these groups are itology, may not be isil but they're not people we would want to see in power. all i'm saying is the new
leaders of saudi arabia has as top an inbox as you can imagine and their ability to make decisions i think is going to be very constrained. >> ayman, off of what richard was talking about, can you describe the threat posed to saudi arabia on the ground in the middle east in definition of the caliphate which is supposed to swing from northern iraq to saudi arabia. saudi arabia is torn between who is their biggest enemy, isis right now or iran on their northeastern segment? >> well, saudi arabia is facing several exostetiah threats. also in the south it's facing a very potent al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula has made very clear, one of their aims is to overthrow the house of the roy roiial family in that kingdom. not only are those two groups po tebt forces but you also have iran if you take a big picture approach has clearly
accomplished very strong footholds in four predominantly, if you will sunni countries, from lebanon to iraq to syria and now yemen. the result of that saudi arabia is seeing this if you will correctness, expression i used before, to surround it not only the shia the rise of she quiteiite groups but the militant groups like al qaeda an isis. this transition is going to be tested very early on. >> lots to get to. >> a lot of political news. >> get this one local story in and we've got the bloggers. i don't get it. said to be a meeting but either jeb bush nor mitt romney blinked when they talked over lunch about the potential competing runs for president. >> i'm going to go visit mitt romney. >> it's going to awkward. >> no, not at all. >> governor jeb bush was upbeat as he landed at salt lake international. whether he leaves with a smile is a real question.
>> i'm looking forward to it. he's a great guy. this was set up a long time ago. looking forward to meeting him. >> is there any contention now that he's -- >> not at all. >> -- thrown his hat into the ring? >> i respect him a lot. i admire him a lot. he's a great american. i look forward to seeing him. >> slew of cameras and tweeted, this photo can stop with delta flight at tent dands apologizing for all the fuss. "the new york times" reports there was no resolution about their plans to run which would split similar factions. the meeting in salt lake city was said to be cordial, touching on policy and the need for a strong republican candidate but made little headway beyond that. on sunday rand paul ted cruz and marco rubeio will participate in a forum. a de facto first debate of the primary season. the entire field, no matter who the nominee, would enter the race as an underdog to hillary clinton should she capture her party's nomination. the latest poll shows her with a
double digit advantage over the top republican candidates. >> george w. bush for a year before his race against al gore was ahead by 20 points. those poll numbers obviously -- >> it's going to be a tight race. >> you see these guys circling each other right now. and you know i think the biggest surprise has been mitt romney for me. that mitt had always said i'm not going to get in the race if jeb gets in the race. jeb started the move to get in the race and i think he said no, wait a second, this is actually my time. it's fascinating. >> i think there was certainly a moment when mitt romney could say to himself, they should have picked me last time and out of everything i said whether it was russia whether it was this turned out to be right. the question is now, obama is doing better. the economy is doing a little bit better. i don't know whether that narrative of you should have picked me four years ago is telling. as you know, joe better than any of you've got the forces of the republican party, whether it the other would be candidates or the establishment all coming after him. >> all right. still ahead on "morning
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it's time now to take a look at the morning papers. so much going on. >> this is big for new yorkers. this is a big story, mika.
>> what? we're getting to that. >> he's been the speaker forever. one of the most powerful guys in albany. >> 20 years. >> my god. >> in jail. i mean that's huge. >> "the new york times" is reporting that federal prosecutors have charged new york state's most powerful politician forgetting he's way to millions of dollars. silver was arrested yesterday accused of steering real estate developments to a law firm that paid him kickbacks. the manhattan democrat is also accuse of making more than $3 million from a law firm that benefited from state plans that he pushed through the legislature. now, you remember the marlin commission? >> yeah. >> i'm just wondering about that. >> yeah. >> silver seemed to unfazed in court and did not enter a plea. >> i'm happy the issue is coming to be aired in the legal process. and i am confident that when all the issues are aired, i will be
vindicated. thank you. >> the 70-year-old says he does not plan to resign as the speaker. they decide which bills get a vote. he is the sixth new york state lawmaker to face prosecution. >> did the marlin commission did this -- did they uncover this? >> no. >> no? >> no. >> this is the feds? >> they've been on him -- >> totally on him. >> what happened him was the marlin commissioner was headed for this and silver and cuomo together for their own reasons shut down the marlin commission. >> why? >> why? because they didn't want to have certain things coming out. >> they were going after this? they were going after this and they shut it down? >> the marlin commission was going after a whole range of corruption. five other legislators in albany on their way to jail and cuomo shut down the marlin commission. it appeared in part because silver wanted him to because he didn't want this to come out.
and so the u.s. attorney said i'm going to have ago at this. >> that guy -- >> you know, the fact is people have known for years silver was doing something like this but nobody was willing to take him on. >> that's amazing. mike, i don't obviously -- from boston. there's been one or two corrupt politicians up there in the past hundred years. i've got to be honest with you, i don't get it. i don't understand somebody gets in the public office and says i'm -- i'm going to pass legislation. i'm going to do this do that use my position to get rich. i don't get -- i don't know how they cross that line. this is just mind boggling. >> one of the factors and there's been a historical factor is that albany is so remote from new york in a sense they go up there, they sit in session. the media attention paid to the various committees speakers that have come is far less intense than it would be if the
state capitol were in a larger media center like new york city. so they can do -- after a while they think they're invisible. >> sure. there's an element of that. also the fact is they don't pay these guys full-time salaries. they pay them i think, $112,000 a year and allowed to have outside employment. once you're allowed to have outside employment, where is the line? when does outside employment become a law firm paying you to in effect pass legislation or do them favors in albany. >> shutting down the marlin commission with was designed to steve? >> look into corruption in albany. >> yeah. >> how do you -- >> look -- >> how do you sput ithut it down? >> "the new york times" did not endorse andrew cuomo in the primary. in large part because he shut down the marlin commission. it was such an incredible thing to start a commission on corruption and stop itted in middle. >> it's unbelievable. with these stories coming out, a lot more questions obviously, mika, going to be raised. let's go to the "new jersey star
ledger," knowledge governor chris christie is going to have an order to help atlantic city from sliding further into financial ruin. governor christieset governor christie set uppage emergency team. so far the team includes a corporate finance attorney who will still manage daily operations of the bankruptcy lawyer who helped detroit through its crisis into last year, four casinos no atlantic city closed more than 8,000 people lost their jobs. >> unbelievable. all right. the "new york times." a documentary about former president bill clinton has been delayed indefinitely. reportedly over the former president's demand for editorial control. parts of the martin scorsese project has been shot over the past two years but "the new york times" reports the former president wanted greater control over questions and the final edit. the project was once expected to be released around the time of the possible hillary clinton
run. spokesman for the clintons describe the report as inaccurate. >> my question is who -- what historical figure gets final edit. >> you don't. you don't. >> that's crazy. >> hbo can't do this. >> they can't. that's absolutely insane. >> yeah. all right. coming up, eugene robinson joins us for the must read opinion pages. plus, the president and green lipstick, yes. we come by almost every day to deliver your mail so if you have any packages you want to return you should just give them to us i mean, we're going to be there anyway why don't you just leave it for us to pick up? or you could always get in your car and take it back yourself yeah, us picking it up is probably your easiest option it's kind of a no brainer ok, well, good talk rt tastes we're in seattle to see which 100 calorie black cherry greek yogurt tastes best. definitely that
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♪ green lipstick. >> yeah. >> your first wife. >> my first wife? >> i mean -- >> do you know something i don't? >> oh, the first lady and the first children. >> president obama the first sitting president since calvin coolidge to be interviewed by a person in green lipstick. youtube star visited the white house on thursday just two days after the state of the union address. the initiative seen as an effort by the administration to tap into person amounts millions of young fans and subscribers, i don't know. i mean making -- mika, you have reservations. >> i talk to people i seen millennials here. one of them's name is amelia.
they all work for us and half of them knew who he was. amelia, what's the word that comes to mind? she goes whack-a-do. now you see why. i'm not sure. >> nice. for a president who restricts access to journalists as much as this president does you do have to ask no i don't think that -- much more interesting than showing us. >> dig nuttynity to the office? >> this president has limited access to interviews. and it's pretty remarkable that -- who he chooses to do interviews. >> i don't understand -- >> okay. so with us now, now for something completely different. much read op-ed, pulitzer prize winning columnist, editor of the "washington post," eugene
robinson. i'm going to give you a couple of box toes check off. the first one is you can comment. you want to check that one? or, two, do you want us to read your op-ed and comment on that? >> oh, whatever. you know i left my green lipstick at home today. i'm so sorry. >> okay. so let's move on then. you're not wearing green lipstick today so let's move on to your "washington post" op-ed this morning. >> yes. >> what is the gop thinking? >> in a week when president obama used his state of the union address to issue a progressive manifesto of bread and butter politic proposals, leaders responded by taking up the capable onboard child protection act. a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. the whole thing was in sum busy 360 degree fiasco. people, we are in an economic recovery whose fruits are not reaching the middle class. we have a crucial need to address u.s. infrastructure and
competitiveness. we face myriad of challenges abroad. the cultural wars is your answer republicans, you totally misheard the question. >> richard haass, what do you think? >> i think he has a point. is off message. >> well, one of the things i didn't understand about the state of the union is he made some emphasis on it but this country is crumbling, it's falling apart. ronald reagan's words, the best social program is a job. let's spend a lot more money on infrastructure, put people to work at great wages and rebuild our country. >> what i found remarkable gene robinson, is about a poll i saw it, it's a positive thing. the foutrth issue listed as important to the american people is rebuilding america's infrastructure. >> yeah. >> we're moving to a tipping point where people think, okay i'm for smaller government. and if you look at the polls, a
lot of americans are. but even those americans for smaller government they want better airports, they want better bridges, they want bet erodes. they don't want caterpillar and ge to have to ship out of canada. they want better port. our train structure is collapsing. >> no, it is. and it's just every day, every week there's something, you know, you you drive around you look at the bridges you're going across and you see the rust. just last week we had a terrible fatal accident in our subway system here in washington which is a whole lot newer than the subway system in new york but we had an electrical fire killed a woman. i mean you know just because of aging, basically. look it's not just here. it's throughout the whole country. and it's just obvious. so both democrats and republicans say this is a problem. and it's something we ought to work at something to do. it's a perfect time to do it. let's do it. >> so fdr, as looking again at
the ken byrnes documentary, my god, bank of america picked, you you know they'll picked the right documentary to get behind. incredible roosevelt. extraordinary. richard haass, i found that the things that i use the most in infrastructure, the bridge and laguardia, they were both built in the 1930s when fdr decided to start building america up. i just sat there thinking how pathetic that we are still working on 1930s infrastructure in supposedly the greatest city in the world. >> joe biden got in hot water by saying laguardia is like a third world airport. third world airports are better than laguardia. once it's built it makes us far
more competitive and also makes us safer and more resilient. this ought to be something that people -- >> it also makes us more productive. seriously, if you're flying in new york to do business and you're flying to jfk, 45 minutes from a lot of gates to get out to the front door walking, and then to get to the main interstate, it's about 45 minutes to an hour almost every single time. our infrastructure is collapsing. it's horrific. i tell you what it is economically inefficient. the chinese -- >> i was in china last week. in fact, the chinese are about to finish a high-speed railroad from beijing to hong kong which i think probably at least the distance from new york to florida, and we can't fix laguardia airport. >> well, and i'll -- we can't get people from jfk to new york city on a train in -- it takes an hour hour and a half.
it is costing. >> gene robinson, thank you so much. still ahead -- >> thank you so much. >> and the lipstick next time please. >> i'll try to remember. i'll try to remember. new england patriots coach bill belichick -- >> gene, we've got to hurry up. do you hate the patriots? are you one of these haters? >> no. tom brady is a michigan guy, joe. come on. he would never do such a thing. now, his coach, on the other hand, bill belichick, i wouldn't put anything past him. he threw brady under the bus. but brady, he's a stand-up guy. >> come on. okay. go blue. the boston globe, bob ryan joins us next. thanks, gene. that's more... shh... i know that's more than 100%. but that's what winners give. now bicycle kick your old 401(k) into an ira. i know, i know. listen, just get td ameritrade's rollover consultants on the horn. they'll guide you through the whole process.
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quarterbacks kicker specialist specialists have certain preferences on footballs. they know a lot more about it than i do. they're a lot more sensitive to it than i am. tom's m personal preference is on his footballs are something that he can talk about in much better detail and information than i could possibly -- than i could possibly provide. >> i have a process that i go through before every game where i go in and i pick the balls that i want to -- the footballs that i want to use for the game. when i picked those footballs out, at that point, you know to me they're perfect. i don't want anyone touching the balls after that. i don't want anyone rubbing them, you know putting any air in them, taking any air out. to me those balls are perfect and that's what i expect when i show up on field. i feel like i've always played
within the rules. i would never do anything to break the rules. i believe in fair play. i respect the league and everything that they're doing to try to create a very competitive playing field for all the nfl teams. >> a couple very interesting press conferences. first of all, and i think this is daily news the other day, they put it well quoting tom brady. the balls are perfect. glad we got that tan care of. bill belichick, the sound that you heard, bill belichick throwing star quarterback under the bus. talking about the press conference, long time "boston globe" sports writer, the go i is a legend, the helegend. let's bring in bob ryan. bob, i'm being a little difficult this morning. i think this is all about the cottage industry of hating the patriots. if this were the indianapolis colts or the kansas city chief or the jacksonville -- nobody would care. they care because it's the patriots. >> that is the one thing we can all agree on.
that were this involving any other team that did not have a suspicious track record we would not be having this prolonged conversation. that's fact. that is the construction of therux of the matter. no one believes bill belichick, just because. >> just because, wait a minute. wait a minute. >> i love the guy. >> why just because? >> bob -- let me ask your this why does it matter if you say -- >> just because? >> so the patriots had a pretty good first half. but in the second half when brady was playing by the rules, they outscored them 35-0. the colts said they could have used soap and still beaten us. >> the issue is not outcome. even the coach of the colts would be the first one to tell you that this had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. what is at stake here is integrity and honesty and a sense of fair play and the patriots have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar before. >> is brady lying?
>> i don't -- let me just say one thing. i woke up this morning to an e-mail, okay provided here by a gentleman who claims to be a professional in the business of -- let me just say air pressure, inflation. 40-year professional. >> thinking about majoring in that. go ahead. >> wait a minute. he says, this is his business. and that there is a plausible explanation, he says for this happening that does not involve brady or belichick. i don't know. tell the league. >> mike barnicle? >> explain to people who live beyond route 128 in boston the twisted logic, the bizarre mind of bell belichick in the sense that i believe, i think probably you believe, that he views all of this turmoil as a gift because now he can employ it with his team to say they hate us, we've got to win, we've got to go out super bowl week win the super bowl.
explain to people the belichick mind. >> that would be true of any coach. this is a blessing for a coach in terms of preparation for the game. they will use the us versus them, which is a standard ploy. he will use it as much as any team has ever used it now. the world hates you. show them blah blah blah. they'll use this, no question. so i don't have any doubts of that. but the tortured mind of bill belichick is that he is a detail oriented person to the max. he is the smartest kid in the class. he knows -- i can tell you this. he knows more about football tradition, history than any coach who has ever coached in this league. there's a problem with yesterday's press conference with regard to bill belichick is nobody who has followed his career can believe he is so i guess norignorant about the game day preparation, about the football. he doesn't know what happens to the football? >> no, that's it. no one can buy this. >> you know baseball fans know
pitchers are constantly scuffing the ball constantly -- gaylord perry, all -- a lot of great pitchers would hide, you know, things to scuff it up to play with it. that's commonplace in baseball. why is it such a shock in football? >> we have learned a great deal this week. last monday morning -- sunday morning none of us knew anything about or cared about or gave one second's thought in our life to the preparation of a football. we have learned this week every reporter in the league has a football repaired to his own specification. aaron rodgers like it's over inflated. brad johnson when he had his tampa bay super bowl had money to have the football fixed to his preference. eli manning gave an amazing account in 2013 to bill pennington of the "new york times" about his preferences. it is an extraordinary story. i urge you to seek it out, about the incredible attention to detail on preparing a football. yeah, we've learned all that. but we have still -- we are no
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♪ i did not believe what tom had to say. those balls were deflated. somebody had to do it. i don't believe there's an equipment manager in the nfl that would, on his own initiative deflate a ball without the starting quarterback's approval. >> i -- i just didn't believe what tom brady had to say. >> you seem pretty emotional about this. >> you know it's disappointing because -- because my experience is -- listen i started 151 games. there wasn't one game ball that i didn't put my hands on. >> day five of the ball-gate, whatever it is. forget the king dying. shocked, stunned, deeply
saddened and mika has their favorite. mika has her favorite -- tom brady went on yesterday for quite some time talking about how his balls were perfect and we all cheered tom on, including gene robinson, who revealed he was a michigan man. go blue. quick questions around the table about this. bob, let's bring you back here bob ryan all around great guy, sports legend. a guy that actually gets paid to figure out how many pounds per square inch goes into a football. that's an achievement in and of itself. what was the purpose of tom brady's press conference? why did he do that? >> we the boston media, are figuring that there is some kind of orchestration going on featuring -- it could go goodell, kraft brady, kraft, belichick, to brady but something is orchestrated. that's our assumption because we
have dealt with them for far too long to not recognize how things work in foxborough massachusetts. >> it is a bill clinton quote about the turtle on the top of the fence. the turtle gets on top. if you walk past a turtle on top of a fence, it didn't get there by accident. >> right. >> i mean somebody placed it there. belichick leaves nothing to chance. >> i thought the most interesting revelation between the two, other than -- very concept that belichick would not know something so central as the information regarding the preparation of a football on game day, is brady saying that he hasn't heard from the league! >> absolutely crazy. it's absolutely predictable. >> which tells us -- leads to the next question how seriously does the league want this investigated before the biggest game of the year? >> yeah. they don't really want to. >> did they cheat? if they did -- >> details, details.
>> mike barnicle we asked the purpose of the brady press conference. what was the purpose of belichick throwing his quarterback under the bus? >> right before the super bowl. >> i don't necessarily agree that he threw him under the bus. >> mike mike. i'm just a coach. i'm just a caveman. i know nothing about this. talk to tom brady. this is all tom brady's domain. he knows all about his boolalls. i don't know anything about his balls. ask tom. >> he did say that tom knows more about his balls than i do. >> right. >> and, you know this is -- i mean, come on. belichick knows. >> certainly. >> he was planointing the finger at brady. >> what bob ryan has pointed out a couple times to us this morning, there is no more controlling force in the single zip code than belichick's control over everything that happens in foxborough. sentence tld in too many
occasions in the past 30 years, not to recognize that belichick -- you can't do anything in that ballpark without belichick knowing. nothing. >> absolutely not. let's bring in right now political reporter for the "washington post," robert, and nbc news moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. we're not going to ask chuck about -- about specifics here. but i do want to ask robert costa very quickly. we're asking questions about purpose. what was the purpose of the press conference? what was the purpose of belichick? i want to ask you costa, you're the expert here on republican politics. what was the purpose of that meeting? what was that? i mean we're all asking that around the table. why did they meet? >> the reason they met is because jeb bush made the request right after the election as one of the series of meetings he wanted to have as he made his decision. romney, of course, said sure.
when rom started to make his move i talked to romney people last night. romney knew jeb wasn't going to decline his invitation. let him smoe up and we'll have a conversation. >> the jeb people are absolutely shocked that romney is determined to run as he is, aren't they? >> they are. jeb people felt like they got off to a great start with donors and romney seems to be seriously moving toward a bid. that has them rocked a little bit. jeb is just trying to get back in the arena and romney machine is ramping up. >> you know one of the great ironies here, chuck todd, i get in trouble for probably saying this, with some friends, soon to be former friends, but if you had asked me who had more resolve to run, i think it would be mitt romney saying hey, mitt has been saying for two years. if jeb runs i'm not going to run. >> right. >> jeb decides to run, mitt decides he's going to double down here. it looks like the they're going to have a staring contest, if there's going to be a game of political chicken, i think it's
a game that mitt romney wins. >> so you think jeb blinks. >> i think jeb is more likely to blink because jeb -- i talk to people that have been in meetings with jeb over the past several months and they all say the same thing. he's brilliant. great governor. great leader. love the guy. he doesn't have the fire in the belly. mitt has that fire. >> i -- i tell you, though when you look at what has been done infrastructurewise behind the scenes, jeb has been -- jeb has been more methodical about this over the last six months. >> yes he has. >> than romney has. mitt romney feels as if this was a, oh, wow, you know what i am going to run. it was just like a little willy-nilly. jeb has been -- there is a plan here. he's got these meetings series of donors he want to pick off. meanwhile, mitt romney has people passing around poll numbers, which by the way i
would be very careful touting a poll number right now if i'm in the romney world because inevitably he is at his peak right now as far as the start of this contest. >> yeah. >> he will inevitably only go down. >> we always talk about iowa and -- calling donors and building an infrastructure. i'm going to iowa for a year and knock on doors and make camp and then go to new hampshire -- >> joe? >> yeah. >> jeb has never done it. mitt romney has done it twice. who is going to have more enthusiasm about doing it? >> the fact that mitt has enthusiasm to do it, i think mitt. the problem with jeb is he knows better than any human being on the face of the earth what type of toll this takes on a family. >> right. >> what type of toll it takes on a wife what type of toll it takes on children what type of toll it will take on his mother. >> who are you talking about? >> i'm talking about jeb. >> they both know it. >> he's seen with it george w. and his father. this is not
something that jeb knows you go into half hearted. >> i don't think his half hearted. that's the thing. i think too many people assume he's half-heart sdpled with donors that have sat with him who want him to run say they don't see the fire in him yet. >> well, i just -- i have to say i've been -- i've been shocked at how organized and how much that he has done over the last six months. frankly, did it under the radar that a lot of us didn't realize. and that's why i'm -- i'm you know, look i was a skeptic all of the way until now that i'm not a skeptic. as for who blinks, i think neither of them blink. i think mitt romney -- i think romney is a very competitive guy. i don't think he backs off anymore because i think now if he backs off it looks like he's scared of jeb. there's no way mitt romney wants anybody to believe he's scared of jeb bush. >> if you're mitt romney, what do you do? okay. i'm not going to run now. i'm going to just hang out.
>> no. >> for the next 20 years of my life i'm going to bounce from one thing that i don't really want to do to another thing i don't really want to do to another thing. he is a man of purpose. he is driven. he is as type a as it gets. he ain't going into retirement. >> don't you think that this isn't about who is blinking but if they have any conversation it would be about how do you beat hillary clinton? and just looking at the pictures of the two of them they could possibly, couldn't they? >> i think -- >> before you get the chance to beat hillary clinton you've got to get nominated. >> i know. then you've got to pick the other one as your vice presidential candidate. >> bob, that's another question that i think, if jeb runs i think part of it is to prove that he can win a republican primary. i think nothing upsets him more than people saying, a guy like him can't win a republican primary. >> talking to romney allies last night, they still believe that push is very vulnerable in a primary, they think they can beat him on common core and
immigration and they believe in a general election he would have vulnerabilities, having an organization. i know he's building up now and really resonating with voters. i think romney's perspective is jeb may have a family name, a great record in florida, but he is beatable in both of those contests. jeb people know they still, one of the big things i heard that jeb wanted to find out yesterday is how serious is romney. is this just about making sure he's out there in the arena or really building toward a run? >> richard haass, let's go to the news about the king. the king is dead. saudi arabia king abdullah. he's been in power for a couple of decades. what impact is it going to have on the united states? what impact is it going to have on the world? >> it's not going to have any immediate impact on oil prices. it's not going to have any immediate impact on saudi stability. what it probably will mean is that saudi arabia is going to be less able than ever before to make big decisions. this quote, unquote, ally partner of the united states i
think is going to be more -- >> you say, quote ally are they not an ally? >> ally is too strong. ally has a degree of uncondition atity. there are too many situations with the united states and saudi arabia do not see eye to eye. >> what's the biggest? >> historically oil prices. i say now what parts about what to do about syria, about what goes on within the kingdom itself saudi support for radicalism religious teaching around the world. there's lots of area where's the united states and saudi arabia are not exactly on the same page. >> let's bring in from washington bbc correspondent kim kim. how does this play in the region and impact of what's going on in yemen? >> well, many countries around the region have declared several days of mourning for the passing of kipg ang abdullah including 40 days in jordan, three days in lebanon, several days as well in
egypt. i think everybody is watching very closely as well how the succession is going to unfold. so far so good. there is a lot of stability actually within the system. i know there's always a lot of talk about how he is sustain itself. i think paradoxically it is the fact that the house of assad has managed to retain control of the country with this succession with all of these older brothers who take power, one after the other, that makes the kingdom unable to really adapt to the changes around bit. and that's why king abdullah will have trouble figuring out how the country's policies have to deal with syria, with the challenges coming from iran and with this rebellion down in yemen. >> steve, you've been reporting on saudi arabia since you were a reporter for the times in the late 1970s. what's the impact and what's america's relations with saudi
arabia look like moving forward, especially as we become less dependent on their oil? >> i think as kim and richard, if you put them together, you know, you can look at this as a glass half full as a glass half empty. i think i'm a little on the glass half full size in a sense as kim said saudi arabia has demonstrated extraordinary stability since 1932. in a way we are lucky to have the world's largest exporter in the hands of people who have managed to maintain stability, balancing all their factions and balancing the different interests in the region. not perfectly at all. i think in the short run, and in the medium run, it's going to be business as usual. abdullah was sick for a good long while. ayman has been been running the country. at some point they're going to have to deal with the family situation. but for now i think we're going to have a pretty stable oil market and that's good for us. >> no doubt about it. let's talk about yemen.
kim, obviously unrest there. it's a country that many believe now is on the brink, on the brink of chaos. prime minister and president on thursday amid pressure from shiite rebels who have taken control of the presidential palace. local government officials tell the a.p. the president resigned rejecting some of their demands. this was as "the washington post" pointed out a few days ago, the country that president obama, kim pointed to as his model for dealing with al qaeda and dealing with unrest in the region. and now obviously it looks like chaos continues in yemen. >> chaos does continue. i'm not sure that the chaos is much of a surprise but i think that the government fell did take american officials by surprise. it seems to come full circle as we've seen in other countries like egypt. it seems to have come full circle where the former
president, is coming back into the fray again. i think the region is going through so many changes that even for a super power like the united states it's simply very difficult to keep track and to continue having influence. and when it comes to the administration's approach or america's approach to counter terrorism in the region i think it shows also the limitations of having a very narrow focus on counter terrorism using mostly special forces or drones. it requires a different kind of engagement which the u.s. did try in yemen to some extent but i really think this shows the limits of a pure counter terrorism approach to policy in the region. >> richard, i remember back talked about iran as being, you know, an oasis of stability, iran. >> how did that work for you? >> all presidents make those declarations. george w. bush made -- this
president, though, and the reason i brought that up is because people on july my carter's neck for 20 years. this president over the past year or two has about 20 of those statements. and this yemen statement is just the latest. he seems to be detached from reality. >> i think the president wants to create a context to justify the true drawdowns. i think he's under self imposed pressure to say things are not that bad. yemen is the latest. this is the 30 years war. this is going to be a prolonged political religious struggle in which borders are being obliterated. >> why can't the president say that? >> that's what he should say. this is the new normal in the middle east. it's going to out last my presidency, out last my successor cease presidency. the united states needs a long-term policy for dealing with a part of the world that is in chaos. that is the conversation we need to have within the foreign policy establishment. that's what he should be saying to the american public. >> what happens right now,
today, and going forward over the next few months given the lethal aspect of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, based in yemen, in our ability to deal with the -- the post-government our ability to deal with them through the government, what happened? >> two things. one is you try politically. it's the longest of long shots to see if you can get some successor order dpoft in place but basically then you're forced to think about drones and the rest. you have counter terrorism strategy wrath their than a creative political strategy. we simply can't have that kind of influence right now in that part of the world. this is not unique. this is libya. this is there. this is syria. all of these places our interests is much greater than our influence. >> bob, how much does the chaos in the world stage change the republican primary? everybody is moving rand paul's way six months a year ago. more isolation.
certainly not interventionist. how much does the chaos in yemen, the chaos in iraq, the chaos in syria, the chaos in russia, the chaos in ukraine, the chaos across the world change the formula forgetting through republican primary? >> i sat down with steve king, the iowa congressman, hosting a big gathering this weekend in des moines. i said you're such an immigration hard liner is that what you really want to hear from all the candidates coming out? he said, no what i really want to hear about is foreign policy and national security. he called it a wake-up call. everything hats happening around the world. i think you're really going to see that hawkish impulse in the republican party come to the floor again. it's going to be a challenge for senator paul. how much does he really articulate in his argument? >> chuck todd, that's what i was going to ask you, a guy who find many most intriguing right now. rand paul who actually seems to be doing pretty darn well in a lot of the polls. again, general snapshots of what people are thinking right now, name id but certainly he has
moved to the forefront. but where a lot of quotes and his background obviously that he's going to be have to work around if the party becomes more muscular again on foreign policy. >> not only that and i'm pretty convinced one of the motivations for lindsey graham to toy with the presidential is just to be on that debate stage and essentially heckle rand paul on foreign policy. that that's really -- that is -- his motivation. but, you know like the he's the guy that's going to jump on the grenade, you know, because there are so many people in the republican party that think paul won't be a robust nominee on that issue, particularly if this goes -- if this goes forward. but, look, by the way, on yemen, i think we have not -- it's not only -- not only does president obama own this a little bit when you were talking about the statements. you know the obama administration led by john brennen, i mean we micromanage that transition. i mean, in many ways 30 years
ago we would have said this was a u.s. you know orchestrated change in power, shall we say. and all of a sudden our guys are gone. this is the single most dangerous thing that could happen, which is we have no influence now over perhaps the most important safe haven for terrorist network. >> bob ryan, bringing this back to you. yesterday a press conference held along the eastern board talking about isis. take a look. >> i appreciate all your support. i tell them i'm okay. you know it's a -- things are going to be fine. this isn't isis this isn't, you know, no one is dying. but, you noergs bknow, we'll get through this and hopefully we can start prepare for seattle and get our mind focused there because they're going to take you know all my energy for the next ten days. >> you need to talk about isis or talk about the super bowl. so who wins the super bowl? >> i favor seattle.
that defense, it's really irresistible force. i would slightly favor the immovable object. >> all right. thank you so much, bob. we love you. thank you for being on. >> thank you, robert. thank you -- >> hold on a second, man. chuck todd brady, is he going to be distracted or do you think the patriots are going to win? >> i thought seattle was going to win before. it wouldn't have matter who came out, they were going to win this. if we're roman empire some day, yemen is burning. >> right. >> and we were all fixated on tom brady's press conference. some day we're going to look back on that moment yesterday and just say, what -- what were we focused on as america? >> exactly. what do you have coming up on "meet the press," please tell me, one hour of the flatgate. >> who else are we going to have in dennis, mike huckabee and
kareem abdul-jabbar being muslim in america. >> thanks so much. bob costa, thanks for being on. what are you work og snn. >> heading to iowa in the next hour. i'll be there all weekend. >> fantastic. >> oh, you're going to pakistan? >> yes. next week. i'll come back with lots of stories. >> okay. >> okay. that's one country where we need to look at saudi influence as well. we're very focused on saudi influence in the middle east but saudi arabia has a lot of influence in pakistan as well and it's a very interesting story. >> thank you for maintaining our credibility this morning. >> thank you kim. greatly appreciate it. you loved them in the '60s, even better now. john lewis and tony danza together again. great new book coming up. and also -- >> don't look now but republicans on capitol hill starting to care about income inequality? >> we always have. "washington post" joins us with a new provocative column yes
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♪ with us now, we have opinion writer of the"the washington post"." mika i want to -- before we went to break. i want to read a quote from elizabethth warren. right now we're faces a divided america when it comes to the economy. 1% are doing great under barack obama but today the top 1% earn
the higher share of our national income than any year since 1928. >> elizabeth likes to point out what's wrong. >> you love that don't you? >> yes. >> that's a fact. that's just a fact. >> is that -- >> that's a fact. >> whoa. hold on. hold on. here's the punch line. >> yeah? >> that wasn't elizabeth warren. >> someone channeling elizabeth warren. >> that was ted cruz. >> tell us about it. >> it's not just ted cruz. mitt romney has come out the fact that the 1% is doing so well. >> cynical already. >> it's hard not to be a little bit on this topic. but it's rand paul ted cruz it's paul -- not paul ryan it's jeb bush. you know, it's all of these leading expected 2016 republican contenders who are now discovering inequality. what they used to call class warfare, to be talking about these kinds of issues. >> do you think that's fair, joe? >> i don't know. i can't speak for them. i've been talking about it for a long time.
>> you have been. genuine. >> you've been by me in my speeches. people like alan greenspan, you know, four or five years ago said the greatest threat to american capitalism is income inequality. for those of white house believe in the capitalist system we're concerned about the crony capitalism, the k street wall street nexus that is creating an unfair testimony along with i.t. changes that are making the rich super rich and are squeezing the middle class. >> it's a fact. care about it for any number of reasons. you can care about it for the affect of the economy and ability to grow and for social reasons and whether our country can sustain it. >> social mobility. >> country can even sustain social fabric when you have this enormous dispersion of how dift groups of americans have done over the last 20 or 30 years. >> how have we done? do you have charts. >> i have charts. this explains why the republicans are embracing this as an issue, why the president
put it forward in his state of the union. if you look at what happened to middle class wages, 1979 when income inequality took off you can see people at the top were up about 41%. this is after adjustment for inflation. people in the middle on the other hand, only got 6.1% increase over 35 years. and people at the bottom actually saw their incomes go down over that same period. and if you look at -- if you take this chart now and look at just the last few years to understand why are americans feeling the way they feel, you can see that if we have the next chart -- there it is. you can see that 2007 you had, again, this absolute decline after inflation and how the middle class is doing and even worse decloo inine in the bottom and meanwhile, the rich get richer. the poll that goes on what's going on in america's heads. back to 2008 at the bottom 72% of americans thought they were
either in the middle class or the upper middle class and only 25% thought they were in the lower middle or lower class. if you look at it as of january 2014 it's down to 57% who think they're in the middle or the upper middle class and 40% -- 40% of americans now think they're in the lower middle. >> 40% number has been one of the great social -- it's been like glue for our social fabric. americans have identified themselves to middle class and there have been -- i've read thousand the years observed this from other countries coming to the united states saying, everybody thinks they're in the middle class. whether they're poor or whether they're rich they always identify with -- that 40% number is shocking to me. >> well, steve has had polls in the past he has shown us that point to one of the reasons behind the 40% number and the growth between 29% and 40%.
and it involves a phrase that is not in some of my ted cruz' vocabulary. it involves a phrase called "take home pay." that's what's crushed the middle class. hypocrisy of people like ted cruz talking about income inequality is totally pro pos strauss. if you put on the table, okay, gas is at an all-time low. let's increase the gas tax and use it to dedicate ourselves to rebuilding this country, to infrastructure. ted cruz guaranteed would vote against such a pill. he would vote against it. yet, would immediately increase the take-home pay. >> are you going to make us put a ted cruz bell on you like we did on bernstein? >> yes. >> every time you say it we're going -- >> no, it's just the hypocrisy of it is bad. >> okay. we'll check him off as maybe not part of this conversation but jeb bush, rand.pc paul and mitt romney, is it -- is it fair to say that there is some
credibility to their statements on these issues or are they being -- >> i think they're legitimate issues. i think they're legitimate issues. i think that -- the sentiment of some of the people in this area on this part of the political spectrum, caring about inequality now is somewhat at odds with statements made in the past. but you know what? >> you're talking oi oh. >> hillary clinton? >> well, mitt romney is a good example. you know, the last time around that he ran for president, he made these very infamous 47%, he said it's not my job to care about those people. his job description has changed apparently. now he's saying, you know, we should really be caring about the poor, about the middle class, the poor. >> yeah. >> so it's definitely a change in rhetoric. i think he's on the right side of things. so i make fun of him a little bit for changing his tact but heston right side of the issue now. >> the facts have gotten increasingly bad from a political point of view, they're
on the right political -- they're on the right side of the issue, aren't they? >> on the political piece of things, i think partly what's going on is that it's harder for republicans to attack the economic record of this administration just because -- sort of a headline numbers anyway. unemployment, output/growth. a lot of key metrics we're looking pretty good. the place we're not looking good is sort of you know median wages, that sort of thing, what's going on with poverty levels. so there is some vulnerability there to obama's record which is maybe why -- >> catherine, thank you very much. we'll be looking for your piece in the "washington post." and coming up congressman john lewis joins us with his take on the big issues facing the country today. stay with us. you're watching "morning joe."
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. here with us now on the set, democratic congressman from georgia and member of the ways and means committee representative john lewis who is the coauthor of the novel "march." fantastic to have you with us. >> great to see you. >> good to see you, joe. >> yes, sir. >> the human voice he's got,
that's nice. >> mike barnicle asked you before, how many times have you seen st."selma"? >> four times. each time i cry. >> what was the experience? >> the first time i saw it, i saw it in atlanta with eight friends. and i moved away from others so i could just see it. and it opened up with little girls in a church. and then the bomb went off. i lost it. i lost it at that moment. after the bombing of the church on september 15th, 1963 in three hours i was at that church. attended the funerals of the four little girls. 18 days after the march in washington there was so much hope, so much optimism. you know after the march is
over, president kennedy invited us all down to the white house. he stood in the oval office. he was beaming like a proud father. he kept saying you did a good job, you did a good job. and he said to dr. king, you did a good job and you had a dream. and he was looking to the future. >> watching it watching the movie off by yourself in that atlanta theater, did that transport you back to that extraordinary time as much as anything or more than anything over the past 40 50 years? >> the movie really did it. the sit-ins, the freedom rides, the march on washington, selma, it all just came together. and that's what i think we try to deal with the march book one, and march book two. >> isn't it extraordinary, i
mean, i was born in atlanta. actually in '63. >> so young. >> i am a young guy. i don't feel it. i don't feel it. but is it -- of course at the same time all of this was happening. isn't it extraordinary, we have a long, long way to go. but isn't it extraordinary how far we have come in 50 years, thanks to people like you? >> well, the only thing i did, i just tried to help out. i moved to atlanta in 1963. 23 years old. >> you knew something good was happening then. >> oh, yes. >> you could sense that i had been born right? >> i knew there was a little baby boy along the way. >> so you moved there obviously martin luther king was there. you moved there in '63. why? >> well, i had been living in nashville as a student. i had been in nashville for seven years. i met dr. king in 1958 when i
was 18. i met rosa parks in 1957 at the age of 17. and meeting rosa parks, meeting dr. king set me on a path. i didn't like segregation and discrimination and i wanted to do something about it. i literally grew up sit in on the lunch counter stools standing in front of those theaters that is white men, colored men, white women, colored women. i didn't like it. did you ever believe at that time that you could be part of a movement that in the words of bobby kennedy, would literally bend wbr id "wbr59770" mks bend history? i did believe. i was inspired. i was inspired by the campaign and election of president kennedy. he gave us hope. he inspired us to find a way to get in the way. and that's what i did. also because you knew it was wrong. mike barnicle that's why it had to change. yeah. /b
and it goes without saying that this is an extraordinary human being. i know. i know. i'm trying to -- participated in extraordinary events in our country. congressman, you were speaking earlier about your participation in so many history-bending events. one of them, could you speak to martin luther king receives the nobel peace prize, returns to the united states, is invited to the white house to meet with the president. you're there. the issue is a voting rights act. tell the story. well, when -- you're so right. after dr. king received wbr-id "wbr60370" the nobel peace prize, came home from europe. had a meeting with the president. and he said mr. president, we need a voting rights act. president johnson said in his own way, we don't have the vote in congress to get the voting rights passed. i just signed the civil rights. make me do it. and we organized, we literally
put on it on the line in mississippi, in georgia, in alabama. back in 1964 and '65 in a state like mississippi, there were more than 450,000 african-american of voting age. 16,000 are registered to vote. in selma, alabama, only 2.1% black voting age registered to vote. between selma and montgomery the county was more than 80% african-american. there was not a single registered african-american voter in the county. >> you know i'm -- you're telling so many remarkable stories and there are stories that i want my children to grab hold to early in their life. and understand where this country has been and what people
like you have done for this country. and i'm looking through this book where you take readers from the freedom march, to the march on august i mean the freedom rights. talk about why you did this. >> weigh want young people young children to know why it happened and how it what happened. "the washington post" review said this book should be in every classroom and every library and hundreds and thousands of young children and even members of congress are reading the book. >> i didn't know -- you're not -- we worked together in congress. i didn't know all members of congress could read books. is that why you -- >> actually there are pictures here. >> well, we want to inspire and encourage means of congress all of my brothers and sisters are to read this book.
this book is being read in more than 40 states. several major opportunities have made the required meeting for all freshmen michigan state university, marquette university, georgia state university. >> great. >> congressman, given everything that you've done in your life all that you've endured, all the pain that you've suffered and all the progress that you've seen maybe is a life's lesson to the rest of us. how is it that you were not at some point consumed with bitterness about what was hamming around you? >> well, we studied the way of peace, the way of love the way of nonviolence is to be hopeful, to be optimistic. you never give up. you never give in. you never become bitter. hate is too heavy a burden to bear. i'm very optimistic about the future. we have as a matter of fact next tuesday in washington, all the members of congress both
democrats and republicans, going to see the movie "selma" together on the capitol grounds. >> congressman, as you travel the country, what sense do you have of that impact of your movie? what are you hoping that it will do that isn't done yet? >> i think it's going to encourage people to study, to read, and to try to do more to improve -- to stay race relation and create a sense of what dr. king called the beloved community. >> john, it's great to see you again. >> good to see you. >> around, you know the thing i loved about working with him there some, we disagreed on a lot of things. always talked to him. always talked about the disagreements. >> joe, i will never forget when we worked together to get that building named for robert kennedy. >> i know. >> yeah. >> my mother still hasn't
forgiven me for that. >> i'm sure actually. that's a whole different story. this is perhaps the best promotion for a movie that i have ever seen in my life. everybody needs to go see "selma." our children need to go. and the book is amazing. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> congressman john lewis, an honor. thank you very much. we'll be right back. can this decadent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. fiber one streusel.
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president obama will not meet with benjamin netanyahu during the prime minister's upcoming visit to washington. netanyahu will address the joint sessions of congress to speak about the dangers of iran. at request of house speaker john boehner. the white house cite as policy to not meet any heads of states or other candidates for foreign office ahead of their elections. >> richard haass was very critical of this meeting and said republicans are going to
rule date that they do this because when they're in power, democrats, may decide -- >> not going to want it happen. >> invite foreign heads of state to come -- >> i saw my dad tweeting about this. >> he's tweeting? >> hey. >> all right. europe's sailing economy, set to get a major dose of stimulus. the european central bank will buy at least a trillion dollars of the region's bonds. the program which starts in march is designed to make loans and exports cheaper so companies can hire and expand but at the "new york times" reports it remains to be seen if the flood of new money will provide anything more than a shorttime lift to the markets. >> the man of europe now the sick sman europe it's europe. >> this is something they probably have to do because deflation is throughout but not solve the rigid economy, all these inflations. a rule bok of 2,700 pages, italy.
france unemployment over 11%. they've got to solve their fundamental problems. >> yeah. >> here in the u.s. we care more, though about deflation. still ahead on "morning joe," is deflategate and tom brady's response so bad that it brought one former nfl quarterback to the brink of tears? >> he was shocked. >> what. the hindenburg is burning. what? the loss of a king. one of our closest allies in the middle east. what to that relationship now in a-of-that the new leader is on the throne? and richard haass talks about whether they're really an ally or not. >> oh. we'll be right back.
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when i take those footballs out, at that point, you know to me they're perfect. i don't know what happened. i mean i -- i -- have no explanation for it. >> i have no explanation for what happened. i was completely and totally unaware of any of this that we're talking about in the last couple of days until monday morning. >> i was as surprised as anybody when i heard monday morning what was happening. >> my friends -- >> the most uncomfortable sort of news conference. >> is dead and this -- >> the game. >> the story. >> good morning, everybody. >> unbelievable. >> mike, richard, steve, here. >> come on. seriously. >> shocked to find gambling going on. >> can we just admit that this whole thing, this whole bit of
nonsense well you've got football players who weigh 275 pounds that are roided out. >> on so many illegal drugs that they can run a 4:6:40 and when they're hit, it's like the impact of a car accident as willie said and nobody cares about that and we have the media freaking out about whether a bought was inflated to 12.5? >> 11 -- 12.5 pounds per square inch versus 10.5. i mean can we just admit this is about the great american sport of hating? >> no. this is about cheating. >> no, no no. of hating the new england patriots, because -- >> oh no. >> -- if the patriots had scored 35 points in the first half with the deflated balls i would say,
okay, let's at least talk about it but mika, when they played with regulation balls, they outscored the colts 35-0. as one of the colts players' tweefted yesterday, tom brady could have been passing a bar of soap, and they still would have beaten us. >> no. you can't cheat. and if roger goodell wants to sort of start the year on a fresh note doing the right thing every time he ought to say that's a one-game suspension. oops. super bowl. sorry. you cheated. >> oh come on. >> cheepted! it's cheating mike, is it cheating? >> this is an increasingly ridiculous story. >> it is so stupid. >> what is so important to the's in wil? tom brady yesterday has the nfl investigator spoken to you yet? no. four days into the thing, no one's spoken to him from the national -- this is ridiculous. >> mike does it make it easier if you deflate the balls by two pounds for the quarterback? >> obviously not. >> why do they test?
why do they test? >> we don't know. >> mika obviously not, because when the balls were deflated he didn't do as well. when the ball was at regulation size -- >> i just want to hear you guys try and figure out how to talk about this. it's so stupid i. want to get on to real news, but seriously, watching tom brady yesterday -- first, the spectacle of watching belichick throw brady under the bus -- and then brady throwing some -- some -- like -- unnamed equipment boy under the bus is-is a sorry spectacle, but this seriously is much ado about nothing. right here. come on. >> yeah. >> okay. and he kept talking about him yesterday, and he said they were. there's nothing wrong with -- >> all right. >> richard haass, come on. you're a football fan. >> i am. >> i mean i'm sorry. baseball pitchers are
constantly cussing and spitting. this is so run of the mill. is it not? >> well we don't have -- >> if this weren't the patriots -- >> that's the key thing. >> if this weren't the patriots nobody would care. >> the patriots are -- >> you're on to something there. >> this is not a one-off. this fits the narrative of a team that combines bending the rules and excellence, and that bugs people for good reason. >> the patriots -- >> from "the boston globe." >> here -- here is a -- >> something. something happened. >> we don't know! >> you have 11 balls that are below the minimum. something happened. >> the crack nfl investigating team -- >> so former jacksonville quarterback, who i liked when he was a quarterback and think he's a nice guy. mark brunell was on yesterday and seriously, you would have thought the "hindenburg" had just crashed. >> i did not believe what tom
had to say. those balls can deflated. somebody had to do it. and i don't believe there's an equipment manager in the nfl that would on his own initiative deflate a ball without the starting quarterback's approval. i just -- i just didn't believe what tom braid hi to say. >> you seem pretty emotional about this? >> it's disappointing, because my experience is listen i started 151 games. there wasn't one game ball that i didn't put my hands on. >> i just -- i can't hear it. >> you know what mika? >> i can't hear it. >> i think we need to move on. >> i am. the king's dead. >> i'm getting emotional about this myself. why don't we talk about the king of one of the powerful countries dying. leave this to the haters. come on. now to real news here. thousands will bid farewell to a fouer powerful u.s. ally who helped reform saudi arabia.
king abdullah following muslim tradition, buried in an unmarked grave. he ensured stability in his country despite the threat from arab spring revolts. officials say the 90-year-old died after being hospitalized with pneumonia. king abdullah is praised for spending billions of dollars to modernize, education in the country. the king opened up its economy and saw saudi arabia enter the world trade organization. he also ushered in reforms for women, although critics say they didn't go nearly far enough. world leaders were quick to pay tribute. president obama praised king abdullah for being a candid leader who always had the courage of his convictions, and referencing iraq's invasion of kuwait in 1990 former president george h.w. bush said he would "never forget the way saudi arabia and the united states stood together against a common foe." a longtime u.s. ally he supported the country's efforts to defeat al qaeda and crack
down on extremism, but saudi arabia also faced questions since 15 of the 9/11 hijackers were from that country. saudi arabia is the world's top producer of oil, and king abdullah's death sent shock waves through the market. crude prices surged amid uncertainty if the country would maintain production levels. his brother salman will take over the throne but he is 79 years old and there has been speculation he suffers from dementia. >> well, that's good person to put in charge of saudi arabia. isn't it now? richard haass, i don't have these -- i never get these in the right order, but, you know when we're talking about the king's record, king abdullah's record he seems, and his country still seem after all of these reforms and modernizations we hear about, churchill's amazing phrase about the soviet union, it's a mystery wrapped in an enigma, wrabed edwrapped in a riddal
how long you figure that out. he was an ally of the united states and his government helped promote a hateful strand of islam that has caused the world unspeakable misery over the last decade. >> yeah. i thought what mika had to say was all true but it wasn't the whole story. he effectively ran the country 20 years. formally 10 ran it for 20. he was constrained. saudi arabia is all about a deal which his family represents and the religious, returns religious training and so forth. during his time yes, he did all of those things but the society itself incredibly conservative. the reform shall we say, were quite limited, plus its teachings in its religious academies continue to about what they were. so saudi arabia naymay have been by its standards or king abdullah slightly -- a lot of what's going on in the arab world, the
crises the reactionary political thinking and so forth can be traced back to saudi arabia. there were limb toitslimits to what he could and did do. >> and we've had this conversation since paris time and time again especially. and you brought up after the paris bombings that it's not -- the paris shootings, it's not an indictment so much on all of islam but a violent strand of islam. a reactionary strand of islam that doesn't represent the greater religion. the greater faith. and, of course you pointed out that saudi arabia was key in promoting that violent brand of islam? >> women it was certainly company promoting the ideology that gave birth to that violent strain of inlomb another at wahhabiism and something richard was saying there. because of the power structure of saudi arabia. it's very tribal. so in cutting some of these allegiances between the ruling family and religious
establishment, there was for decades a push by saudi arabia to export this wahhabiism ideology to some part to serve the interests of the united states. for example, when fighting against the russians in afghanistan, saudi arabia was a huge supporter of that effort funneling millions of dollars but at the same time getting that ideology getting to recruit people from around the world to come fight what they were then describing as jihad. since then that ideology continued to expand and morphed into an even more militant strand than we've seen and that's what's effectively given rise to that ideology. >> steve rattner, talk about saudi arabia overall, 1973 1974, the oil shocks oil embargo, rise of opec. this is a country that has had such a say and the rise and fall of america's economy. do we see where the passing of this king the beginning of a new era of -- of decreased saudi influence, because what's
happening in the united states? i mean, we literally have people in the dakotas, in texas, i mean, acrossthe united states who are struggling today because we've gotten become so efficient in pulling oil out of the ground. >> sure. if you go back to 1973 one of the reasons why opec and the saudis were able to put the embargo in place was because our oil consumption had risen quickly, oil production declining and they had the power of the marketplace, but if you look at numbers today, opec as whole is still producing i think about 40% of the world's oil. all our additional oil is replacing oil declining in other parts of the world. maybe look at saudi arabia from a different perspective. i first twlent in the early 1970s, an oil reporter for the "new york times." the monarchy can't last archaic, byzantine, the place will crumble and here we are 40 years late around they're still there. king abdullah put saudi arabia together in 1932 and basically
roomed by about six or seven of his sons. he had 22 wives, joe, and a lot of sons. >> oh. making me so tired. >> since then. and they have you know, the other way to look at saudi arabia is that -- >> wipe did rattner point to me when he said 22? >> i pointed to myself. >> i mean come on. >> that just seems like -- >> 22 wives? >> at the same time. no. only 4 at a time actually. >> let's just move on. >> wanted to die at 30. >> the point is that for all of the talk of saudi being unstable and certainly there are issues they managed transition from king to king pretty seamlessly. i'm not sure he has dementia. people think he's had some kind of stroke but already put in place the youngest son as crown prince. we are lucking in a way, put aside the geopolitical aspects from an oil point of view we are lucky they've been so stable for so long. >> i want to ask richard about
that but also how yemen plays into this a country now many believe is on the brink of chaos. yemen's president, prime minister and cabinet resigned thursday amid pressure from shiite rebel whose had taken control of the presidential palace. local government officials tell the associated press that president hadi resigned after rejecting some of the rebels demands including appointments in the government. the yemeni government was key ally in the fight against al qaeda in the region and officials here in the u.s. worry that such disarray could complicate those efforts. the state department has now responded by removing personnel from the american embassy in the capital city out of rising safety concerns. >> richard haass, this is chaos. and chaos in point. these are shiites. i mean the rebels are even -- >> let me make two points. saudi arabia has handled the immediate succession to salman but he's 79. the new crown prince is 69. they have not handled the
long-term succession issue. as you move to the next generation i think there's real issues. the bigger question can they rule govern? yemen to deal with the iran challenge, nuclear challenge there. isis all throughout the region. they've got oil -- >> how much is isis a threat to saudi arabia? >> enormous. >> do you? >> what's the bull's-eye? the country that oversees the two holiest shrines. >> how much unrest? >> not much. incredibly buttoned down but vulnerable to several things. shia, no sunni, and more broadly in the society there's discontent. >> why doesn't saudi arabia work more with the united states in clearing out western iraq? you've got the iranians working on baghdad. i mean basically being a de facto ally of the united states in our fight. as we show the map, you have iraq and syria. iran actually working on central
iraq, as you look there where iran and iraq's border meets and baghdad's a little west of that. the iranians are there. the kurds working in the northern part. why doesn't saudi arabia aggressively work on anbar province with us? >> the answer is they should -- >> why aren't -- >> focusing on the civil war in syria and some that they've fueled made it worse. some of these groups are a vittology, not isil but not people we want to see in power. all i'm saying the new leaders in saudi arabia have as tough an in-box as you can imagine and they're ability to make decisions will be very constrained. >> mike? >> could you describe the threat posed to saudi arabia on the ground in the middle east in terms of the definition of the cal la vat, supposed to spring. saudi arabia is torn between who
is their biggest enemy? isis or iran on their northeastern segment? >> well saudi arabia is actually facing several ex-essential threats. one hand isis wants to overthrow the monarchy also in the south it's facing a potent al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they've made clear one of their aims over throw the house in that kingdom. not only are those two groups potent forces but you have iran. take a bic pig cher acture approach clearly four predominantly, if you will sunni countries, from lebanon to iraq to syria, and now yemen. so as a result of that, saudi arabia is seeing this if you will crescent an expression used before really surrounding it, not only the shia rise of shia groups also at the same time the rise of militant groups like al qaeda and isis. it is in a very serious
position. this transition is going to be tested very early on. >> still ahead on "morning joe," actor tony danza will be here in our 8:30 half hour starring in a broadway musical adaptation of the movie "honeymoon in vegas." plus which former spread trying to block a martin scorsese film from seeing the light of day and why. that story ahead in the morning papers. they're not happy with the product. >> really? >> the president. the former president is. >> very good. >> he wants to control the message. what could that be? here's bill karins with a check of the forecast. >> very controlling of this forecast. i hope it's right, too. good morning, everyone. the storm is going to head up the coast quickly. it's going to be a wake-up, a winter wonderland for many in southern new england and also right through the mid-atlantic region. that's tomorrow morning. here's to the heavy rain. soaked in north florida. could see flash flooding around tallahassee. notice breaking out a little snow right here in the mountains of north carolina. so the cold air is in place. it's not bitterly cold. so it will be an icy mess in a
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all right, sir. time to look at morning papers. so much going on. >> actually big for new yorkers. this is is a really big story. >> what? we're getting to that. >> there's been -- the speaker, forever. one of the most powerful guys in albany. >> 20 years. >> my god. >> in jail.
i mean that's huge. >> federal. >> the "new york times" is reporting that federal prosecutors charged new york state's most powerful politician with scheming his way into millions of dollars. state assembly speaker, joe mentioned, sheldon silver arrested yesterday accuse of steering real estate developments to a law firm that paid him kickbacks. the manhattan democrat sass accuses of making more than $3 million from a law firm that ben fisted from state grants that he pushed through the legislature. now, you remember the marlin commission? >> yeah. >> just wondering about that. >> yeah. >> silver seemed unfazed in court and did not enter a plea. >> i'm happy the issue is coming to be aired in the legal process. and i am confident that when all the issues are aired, i will be vindicated. thank you. >> the 70-year-old says he does not plan to resign as assembly speaker. silver controls committee assignments and decides which bills get a vote.
she the sixth new york lawmaker to face prosecution. >> does the warren commission cuomo set up did this -- did they uncover this? >> no. >> no? >> no. this was the feds? >> on him for -- >> totally on him. >> what happened was, the commission was headed for this and silver and cuomo together for their own reasons shut down the commission. >> why? because they didn't want to have certain things come out cts wait a second. going after this? warren commission -- >> going amp this and shut it down? >> the warren commission going after a range of corruption in albany. five others in jail or on their way to jail and cuomo shut down the commission. it appears in part because silver wanted him to because he didn't want this to come out. and so the u.s. attorney said i'm going to have a go at this. >> that guy -- >> the fact is people have known for years silver was doing something like this but nobody was willing to take him on. >> amazing.
you know, mike, i don't obviously -- you're from boston. there's been one or two corrupt politicians up there over the past 100 years. to be honest with you, i don't get it. i don't understand somebody gets into public office and says i'm -- i'm going to pass legislation, i'm going to do this or do that, use my position to get rich? i don't get -- i don't know how they cross that line. this is just mind-boggling. >> he said he didn't do it. >> one of the factors and it's been a historical factor is that albany is so remote from new york in a sense they go up there. they sit in session. the media attention paid to the various committees and speakers that have come is far less intans than it would be if the state capital were in a larger media center like new york city. after a while they think they're invisible. >> sure. >> there's an element of that and the fact they don't pay these guys full-time salaries. i think $112,000 a year and
they're actually allowed to have outside employment. once you're allowed to have outside employment where's the line? when does it sbhk law firm paying to do neglect pass legislation or do favors in albany? >> shutting down the morlin commission designed to steve -- >> look into corruption in albany. >> okay. i mean, how do you -- >> how do you shut it down? >> how do you -- >> just remember the "new york times," the "new york times" did not endorse andrew cuomo in the primary. in large part because he shut down the commission. such an incredible thing to start a commission on corruption and stop it in the middle. >> unbelievable. and with these stories coming out, a lot more questions obviously, mika going to be raised. to the new jersey star chris christie signed an executive order keeping new york from sliding into -- overseeing efforts as a troubled casino
town tries to rebound from a horrific crisis. so far the team includes a corporate finance attorney who will still manage daily operations of the same bankruptcy lawyer who helped detroit through its crisis. in the last year four kacasinos in atlantic city closed more than 8,000 people lost their jobs. the "new york times." a documentary about former president bill clinton has been delayed indefinitely. report think over the former president's demands for editorial control. parts of the martin scorsese project backed by hbo have already been shot over the fwooft years but the "new york times" reports the former president wanted greater control over questions, and the final edit. the project was once expected to be released around the time of a possible hillary clinton run. a spokesman for the clintons described the reports as inaccurate. >> mike, what historical figures? gets final edit? >> you don't. >> crazy. >> hbo can't do this.
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31 past the hour. here with us now editor-in-chief of "glamour" magazine cindi leive and contributing editor for "new york" magazine jennifer senior. as of two days ago, look be at this. so good. makes me feel like i'm not a complete and utter disaster. as parent. >> my job's done. >> just to complete. cindi and jennifer's take on deflate-gate. start there. cindi what is it about men and their balls? >> goodness. you did not tell me you were
going to start there, mika. just look. >> hold it the other way. >> you're holding it the wrong way. let everybody see. >> although that's a good graphic, too. >> my balls are perfect. let me just say this whole thing is god's gift to headline writers. clearly. >> what is it though? i mean seriously. if they cheated, by the way, they shouldn't play. but everybody is saying it's not a big deal except all i hear about is balls. the balls are perfect. don't rub the balls. deflate the balls, inflate the balls. >> people have to talk about something. it's two weeks before the super bowl. >> okay. so balls. i don't get it. do either of you think it's a serious issue and perhaps the super bowl shouldn't happen? >> you know whether it's something that actually threatens the super bowl i can't say, but i think any allegation like to has to be taken seriously, yes. >> you actually have in "glamour" a story of -- i'm segueing. >> a segue. >> into football. >> deflate-gate to an amazing woman that you interviewed yourself. >> yes. you think of all of these women
who are now getting into family businesses. this is a new thing you're seeing in business. you've got ivanka trump taking a big role in her family business. in politics former senator san nunn's daughter ran for office this past fall. well sports and sports management is one of the last areas for us to see that and carly gordon owns the colts, she is vice chair and co-owner with her two younger sisters the youngest woman in nfl leadership, and imagine what it's like to be a young woman at that table? >> i can't. especially given all the discussion now. how old is she? >> 33. >> good lord. >> mother of three. >> no? >> and one thing se shed interesting, for her the biggest challenge isn't her age or gender. it's the fact she from the family business. so there is this assumption that you don't know what you're talking a be. you're just waltzing in here on your family name and have to work twice at hard. >> when you talked to her, did she know what she's talking about? >> she does. if you were expecting women to
have a very particular kind of stereotypically female viewpoint on certain issues like domestic issues? not necessarily. i asked would her team hire ray rice after being reinstated to the league if he had been rehabilitated psychologically they would consider it. she's an owner first, a woman second. >> does she feel like -- when i once interviewed benazir bood oh people thought i would make a more sensitive leader i was the female prime minister but felt i had to show i was touch. i felt like i had to make my bones as tough lady. >> a struggle with that? >> does she struggle with the same thing? >> i don't know it's a struggle. i know you can't always assume women will have a particular viewpoint. i'm not sure it's that case of needing to prove she's tougher. i think that's how she genuinely feels as a owner of a team. >> what's the bottom line? i feel like a disaster as a parent. >> everyone does. >> really? >> yes. >> no no no. not as much as me.
ask my daughter carly. >> i don't think that's true. actually, i hope if people read my book they think, oh i'm not at the far away icy reaches of the bell curve. actually in the fat, plump middle. i think all of us feel slightly incomp tent and estranged. modern parenting is really difficult and strange, and unique. so you know -- >> what's the bottom line? all joy, no fun. what's the advice? >> oh. i try to shoo advice. i try to explain. aren't you tired of being hectored? >> yes! >> thank you. there's no right way to do this. everybody thinks parenting is a science. and not an art. right? >> your book is very reassuring though. >> thank you. >> and i will say you cite one of my favorite surveys of all-time. all working parents feel oh my god, am i not spending enough time with my children. you cite a survey they polled kids of working parents and few said they wanted more time with their working mother or father but a large chunk said their
mothers were too stressed. >> exactly. thank you for citing that. one of my favorite stats. 10% of all kids didn't see enough of their moms. that's it. just 10%. 34% said they thought -- >> here's the thing. seeking reassurance from my kids trying to spend time with them but nobody nobody is worse than my co-host joe scarborough. this guy is always with his kids. every time i talk with him, driving to skating, to tennis. with them 24/7. so overprotective, joe, you put a helmet on jack. he put a helmet on jack. >> don't tell that story again. stop. >> the entire -- >> bubble wrapped him. >> bubble wrapped him. i did. the good thing about this book though mika -- >> hold on. joe? >> the incredible thing about this book is she talkance a the pyramid. as parents we actually have a inverted pair midstyramid. >> i couldn't hear? >> parents have an inverted pyramid? >> yes. meaning now we are working for
them we're they're valets. >> exactly. >> and they used to be our employees. >> used to be our employees. kids worked until the 1920s, basically. and even in the '40s, half of all kids dropped out of school to go work. boys did. out of high school. it's only recently we now work for them. spends s$300,000 to raise them including college. that's not if your wealthy. that's the dead middle. the other thing talking about the stuff you're doing, you spend more time with your kids than women did in the 1960s. working ladies spend -- yes. you want to know why? in the '60s we had to keep perfect homes and spent a lot of time cooking and buffing floors to a high shine. no more ring around the collar. now -- but we put our kids in playpens. right? >> i have a book coming out. i write about this. >> yes. >> our houses are filthy and we
can't cook. >> true. >> we-of-but we play with our kids. that's what we do. >> true. also in "glamour" i freed to go -- need to go to a before break. incredible women. this is really inspiring. looking forward to celebrating this new generation of women. >> yeah. >> serving in congress. glad did you that. the book is "all joy and no fun" jennifer senior thank you. cindi, stay with us. how will the death of the saudi king impact the oil markets? sara eisen has the latest from the new york stock exchange. in a few minutes, tony danza's going to join us. >> do you like tony? >> i love tony. >> you love him. okay. we'll be right back.
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time for business before the bell. sara eisen. what you got? >> good morning. watching the oil market. unsettled after the death of king abdullah in saudi arabia. the top oil exporter and producer, and it comes at an unusual time for the energy market. one in which the price of oil over the last six to seven months have dropped more than 50%. great for u.s. consumers, but clearly it's a big shift and it's very unnerving for markets to see that kind of move in such a short period of time. driven largely by saudi arabia's decision to keep production steady and let the price of oil fall because of what's happening in the u.s. what we're told is that the successor will pretty much follow the same oil policy. oil prices jumped on it's news. a little higher. watching that. the other big factor impacting markets, europe just announced a more than $1 trillion stimulus shot to pump up its slow growing
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