amateurs hoping to get one from "duck dynasty." >> it's all going according to my plan. really. >> take your pants off. take your pants off. >> and twerk it. >> yeah. >> i'm not twerking. that would be degrading. >> yeah it might be degrading but we would be degrateful. >> good morning, everyone. it's monday, september 23rd. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, mark halperin. and former communications director for president bush nicole wallace. on capitol hill "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. >> there's only one thing to talk about and it's not the emmys last night. barbara o'reilly -- >> you heard it. >> we had music for six years. >> that's okay. it's nice. we have a lot of news to get to. get over your happy talk. let's go. >> no happy talk. only thing to talk about. >> what's that? >> cranston getting screwed last night. jeff daniels. i like the show. a lot of haters from that show. but he's a humanizing force. i love it. but giving him best actor last night over brian cranston, seriesly, in this season? that's kind of like saying ringo made the second side of "abbey road." we love ringo but it was paul. i'm serious. are you a "breaking bad" guy? >> brian cranston is an absolutely rockable forunbreaka "breaking bad." >> i lot of times these academies go after for a few years the contrarian award when the best thing to do is give it to the guy. michael jordan was the mvp for so many years, let's give it to carl malone. >> beatles didn't win a grammy. john lennon didn't get one after he died. that tells you about these award shows. >> is that true? >> you got shut out of the people's choice awards. >> i'll be hosting it this year. a tip of the hat. >> is that co-host or solo joe? >> nobody just wants me. >> no, they do. >> oh, no. i understand why i'm here. >> no. >> mika is gone and i'm out like a day and a half. it's just true. what else happened last night? >> "modern family" won for best comedy. "breaking bad." willie will have the highlights. we have other news to talk about. >> wasn't supposed to do any of this. we have full highlights and some great ones. we'll bring you up to speed on the latest from washington where ted cruz seems to be dead set on defeating obama care. but we begin with the latest on the mall massacre in kenya where this morning the hostage standoff there is winding down. kenya's military announced late last night that most of the hostages have been rescued but in ten exchanges are still taking place with the terrorists. the latest death toll is 68 people dead. and 175 injured. nbc news's ron allen is in nairobi. >> reporter: several explosions were heard at the mall. government troops could be seen to be moving into aggressive positions. al shabab is taking responsibility for the attack. militants say they are attacking for kenya sending troops into somalia where the fighters are from. and the u.s. is looking into whether americans are involved in carrying out the attack. earlier kenya's president visited harry potters filled with the wounded where there's an urgent appeal for blood. and shared the grief of the nation revealing his nephew and fiancee died in the bloodshed. >> these are young people i love. >> reporter: president obama called the president to offer his condolences and support. secretary of state john kerry represented this. >> it represents the seriousness and breadth of the challenge we face in ruthless and completely reckless terrorists. >> reporter: new video showing the terrifying attack in the mall was released. capturing the moment when gunmen burst into the crowded mall around noon saturday. the video shows shoppers fleeing for their lives during a hail of gun shots lasting a period of several minutes. an american attorney who moved to kenya in july from north carolina says she hid from the gunman for four hours. >> you could hear while we were back there methodically going from store to store, talking to people, asking yes, sir, shooting, screams and then it would stop for a while and then go to another story. >> reporter: tyler hicks a "new york times" photographer who covers war zones and lives nearby raced to the mall when he saw the crowd trying the escape the mayhem. >> every where you looked there was another body. terrified people were crying, screaming. >> reporter: hopeful relatives and friends converged on a community center while they try to figure out what happened to the many still unaccounted for. >> peter king says the u.s. must find out if americans were involved in the terror attack and make sure al shabab does not strike in the u.s. next. >> it's extremely deadly organization. very well trained. and it's one of the only al qaeda affiliates which actually has actively recruited here in the united states. there's at least 40 to 50 somalia-americans have gone from the united states to somalia to be trained. a number of them have been killed. others are still alive. i assume the fbi and local law enforcement are looking into those somalia-american communities today for any leads or indicators using all their sources and resources to make sure there's no followup attempt here in the united states. >> let's bring in michael ider. let me ask you, is this about an al qaeda affiliate interested in international terrorism or is this just a battle between kenya and somalia that spilled out in the most horrific of ways? >> joe, i think it is more of the latter, but there's no doubt there's always a danger of it becoming the former. what we've seen from al shabab it's driven by two distinct elements. one focused on somalia and another interested in transnational attacks and often westerners, americans who are part of the group are the ones driving that agenda. we saw them attack in uganda in 2010 after the world cup and this one is more in line in their regional agenda punishing those countries associated with somalia. i wouldn't go so far as peter king we have to worry about attacks here. but if there are americans involved in this attack this does bring this back to the forefront of people's agenda here in washington for counterterrorism. >> it was a very coordinated attack as well. talk about the detail of the planning beforehand. >> this group is pretty advanced in its small arms tactics. they obviously have been fighting in somalia for six, seven, eight years. we know somalia is not a garden spot. they are pretty good with small arms and grenades. that's what it looks like here. two teams of between 10 and 15 individuals with ak-47s and grenades, moving in, killing very specifically, looking a little bit more for nonmuslims, but this looks most like what we saw in mumbai in 2008 which is this long drawn out attack which can be really effective for garnering the groups' attention they grave. >> thank you very much. we want to get to politics now because we're counting down one week to go for lawmakers to strike a deal to fund the federal government and avoid a shut down but we appear no closer to a solution. as expected democrats over the weekend took every chance they could to hit republicans for obstructing a possible compromise on the debt all because of obama care. >> i call them legislative arsonists. they are there to burn down what we should be building up in terms of investments and education and scientific research and all that it is that make our country great. >> these guys have been running around the country, demonstra d. >> i don't think in america we should throw tantrums when we lose elections and refuse to pay the bills and shut down the government. >> not really. democrats lost elections in the house. >> the law passed. >> i know. i know. but, you know, we're not great britain. we don't have a prime minister and one party doesn't win and the other party doesn't lose. republicans won the house races. they won the house. they got the speaker's gavel. >> do you think this is a waste of their time? do you think this is a good use of their time trying to defeat obama care? >> of course i do. here's the thing. identify not been saying ted cruz is an idiot because he's on the wrong side of the issue. i've been saying he's acting like an idiot because of the tactics he's using. listen, there's not a republican that doesn't care that obama care is an absolutely horrible piece of legislation that is not good for this country. yes it passed and yes it's the law of the land. americans don't like it. it's not been implemented yet. let's stop showing ted cruz, okay. can we just stop showing this guy. i'm serious. >> visceral reaction. >> we're building this guy up so much. he's desperate not to look like the biggest fool in washington, d.c. he's scrambling. let's talk about something much bigger, obama care. listen. if republicans just don't get in their way if we don't be the stupid party as we've talked about for the past couple of years, we're actually on the side of the american people on this issue, and it's not -- all these people over the weekend, nancy pelosi, they are arsonists, all these people saying obama care it's the law of the land and everybody loves it and they -- no they didn't sweep barack obama into office because of obama care. he won because mitt romney ran one of the worst campaigns i ever seen in my life. americans don't like obama care. we're on the right side of this as republicans. we need to stay out of way, do we not? we shouldn't shut down the government. >> i know some people like it. >> 33% like it. >> i know some young people who signed up for it. >> they get to stay on their parents. >> that's great. >> the frustrating piece of this is that -- >> by the way after you're 37 barack obama is having you roll over immediately into guaranteed food stamp assistance until you're 73. food stamps, middle class entitlement. >> what's frustrating this issue nights all republicans. our opposition to this law, we think there's something less intrusive into people's lives and this big overreach and independents happen to agree with us. the problem we're having as a party is this skirmish over tactics. whenever the policy is lost in process it turns into a big political -- >> what's so offensive to me, you're a rhino if you don't believe we should shut down the government on an issue we'll lose. i'm all for shutting down the government. sometimes you actually get something good out of it. we balance the budget out of it back in 1995. but this is all about tactics. this is all about being stupid and not knowing how to win in washington, d.c. and so this weekend we're having this battle and now they are talking about shutting down the government, defaulting on the debt. they could be a little smarter especially when the public is on our side when it comes to obama care. >> it's unclear from the beginning what ted cruz was doing strategically. how he thought going out and threatening a shut down that was never going to happen to get the money out, never pass in the senate, what he thought that was going to achieve to what end. my question to both of you is, if not this way, how do you get rid of the affordable care act? if you're a republican -- >> ted cruz admitted it the other day we need a couple of elections. okay, thanks teddy. you said what we were all saying months ago and you raised a lot of money and you got a lot of names for your mailing list but you hurt the republican party brand. >> he helped himself. >> they ran those commercials. are you against the obama care? send us your money. mike levi the other day goes oh, yeah obama care it's not worth shutting the government down for. calling us surrender monkeys. >> today is the day and week republicans have to figure out what their message is for this fight. the fight is coming in the next couple of days and the white house and democrats know what their message is. the republicans message is we don't like shutdowns, we don't like obama care, we don't like the debt but we have to put something on the table. they have to put something on the table that says here's the outcome we want. there's lots of things they can pick from where they do have support of the american people. >> on obama care american people right now are on the side of the republicans. >> on the policy. >> on the policy. you can't find a poll that doesn't show americans agree with republicans when it comes to being against obama care. so guess what? frame it. strategically for a while. frame it in a way that you get something very significant out of it. >> you're talking to the republicans at this point? because the white house -- >> house republicans are passing this. i'm talking to the surrender monkeys in the senate who were being self-righteous three or four days ago. i'm asking those surrender monkeys to get their heads together. all that money they raised pushing a strategy that was assinine. >> the messaging -- >> they are surrender monkeys. >> the republicans found a way to botch that. here's chris wallace talking about the response he got just from booking senator cruz on his sunday show. >> this has been one of the strangest weeks i've ever had in washington. as soon as we listed senator cruz as my guest i got unsoli t unsolicited research and questions not from democrats but top republicans to hammer cruz. >> that's because he's a surrender monkey and he's caved in and betrayed the house republicans who were good conservatives who voted to defund obama care 43 times and as soon as they pass a cr he cuts them off at their knees. >> he's got support from former republican vice presidential candidate sarah palin. >> okay. there you go. >> in an op-ed -- >> look at nicole. >> she and ted have lots of friends in common. they are really vocal. >> that's great. >> wow. should i read this? she writes in part quote, following the will of the people apparently is a novel idea in d.c. these days just ask cruz and his liberty-loving posse on capitol hill who have led the charge to defund obama's train wreck. the capitol hill cowards are rushing to anonymously -- >> can we end this. she could have been a good contender in 2008. i want to get to jeremy peters. blank the teleprompter. there's some serious republicans that want to win elections and not pose and be facebook-like. let's talk about republican strategy. we know what the democrats will do. they will insult republicans. call them arsonist, terrorists. all of this over the top language. is there a group of republicans on capitol hill that is smart enough to take the bruise that's blowing behind their back and get something good out of it for conservatives? >> well, i mean you're certainly hearing a lot of republicans including ones you wouldn't ordinarily loosen up the reins. it's come down to elements of the republican party that you ordinarily would not see fighting with one another kind of dragging it out here. and i think this points to in addition to the tactical fight that nicole pointed to is a generational and cultural shift in congress where you have these younger lawmakers who were elected in the tea party wave of 2010 saying we were elected precisely because we promised not surrender not to compromise. that's exactly what they are doing. they go back to their districts, talk to voters and voters say don't give in, repeal obama care. we don't like this law. you better carry out what we elected to you do. on the other side of that you have an older generation of lawmakers who, i had a long conversation with bob bennett the former senate from utah and he said, i think he summed up their frustrations very well when he said these people, this newer generation, they live in a world of their own experience and it's very limited and very hard to reason with them. >> jeremy, briefly what happens in the end, about eight days from now the house bill goes to the senate. harry reid will strip out the defunding language and it goes back to the house. what is the house left with. with a couple of days or hours left attempt to shut down the government? >> that's the big question you just don't know what john boehner will decide to do. does he put a bill on the floor that the majority of his conference does not like and will not vote for or do they try to add in more provisions of their own and continue to drag this fight out to the point where we edge closer to a government shutdown. there's one thing i learned in covering this institution is that you never want to try to predict what these 535 men and women are going to do because they've proven themselves to be highly unpredictable bunch. >> it sounds like you have republicans that are coalescing together, that a couple of these surrender monkeys in the senate that made a lot of money and got a lot of mailing list names have actually succeeded in bringing together the republican party. the overwhelming majority back people like tom coburn, paul ryan, scott walker, charles krauthammer, conservative icons who are smart enough to know this is not how you actually win elections. >> and to point out there's more than nothing that republicans can do. there's been 21 laws passed and signed by the president that have changed obama care as it was originally passed. there's work we can do to passaic this law that's so unpopular and we believe is a bad policy better. >> mika it sounds like we have a developing news story. >> ron allen is crouching behind a car near the mall in nairobi. there was a hostage situation. ron what's the latest at this point? >> reporter: well, we heard several loud explosions, the biggest we've heard in the two days we've been here. there's a huge cloud of dark smoke rising above this maul. the government is launching a final assault. there's been a concern that the hostage takers may have explosives. everybody is laying flat down hiding taking cover because there's also sporadic gunfire in the neighborhood. unclear exactly why that's happening. we think the military is trying to disperse some of the crowds the people watching and trying to keep tabs on what's going on here. it's a very intense situation. has been since yesterday evening when helicopters arrived flying low and slow over the mall. we've seen reinforcement troops running. the government is running out of patience. they tried to proceed as cautiously as possible because the best estimate is that there are perhaps 15 hostage, 10 to 15 still inside and about the same number of heavily armed gunmen. again, another explosion. i can't hear it over the phone. but there's every indication this is coming to a conclusion and hope and pray the people inside are safe. >> visually as well too, ron. as you talk on the phone behind the car laying flat on the ground what we're seeing in the video that you're bringing us live is security forces descending upon the mall heavily armed and we see the billowing smoke above. they are moving in for sure at this point, ron. >> reporter: they have said that they have the gunmen cornered in a certain part of the mall. this is a huge sprawling complex, four stories, dozens of shops and restaurants. an upscale place. 1,000 or more in the mall on saturday at noon when this began. the gunmen burst in wearing masks, heavily armed, throwing grenades. there was also on the roof of the mall a children's event going on with dozens of children involved in an entertainment, a cooking competition of some sort. family hour at the mall here on a saturday afternoon. so, a very, very dire situation. at this point it appears that the military is moving in trying to end this. >> so, ron, what was the latest that we heard as we're watching this unfold about hostages inside? >> latest we heard government claims they rescued about 1,000 people from the mall over the past couple of days and there may be -- yesterday we were hearing 30 inside, this morning we've been hearing perhaps 10 to 15. it's hard to get hard numbers because they are kept so far away. there's concern that the gunmen, the militants, al shabab linked to al qaeda that's based in somalia has access to the internet or cell phones and they were aware of what was going on in the world of social media. there was a warning and an advisory in the media and everybody in the community to be careful what you tweet. the government here thought the militants were being tipped what was going on in terms of the security operation. so interesting 2013 development in the world we live in. nonetheless we don't know who the hostages are. there are perhaps 20 or more people who are missing and unaccounted for. there's a place here a community center where the red cross is trying to match relatives, loved one whose are arriving there to try to find people who they obviously have not seen, they think may have been in the mall saturday afternoon when all this erupted. >> ron it's willie. what would security at the mall have been like on saturday when this broke out. is this a worry they have inside nairobi, inside kenya? obviously they have been at odds with somalia on a number of issues and specifically with this group of terrorists. is it a heavily fortified mall? >> reporter: as i understand it, will willie, no metal detectors. security does walk around. there's been warning from al shabab attacking this particular facility. people were aware of that. there's a cop coming down telling us to lie down. sorry. anyway. there have been warnings. this came as no huge surprise. but there's no military security. fairly comfortable environment. also across this country there's been a number of small scale attacks by al shabab, grenades thrown into restaurants that sort of thing but nothing approaching the scale of this. there's always been a fear here that the death toll, the number of casualties injureded and wounded could rise significantly above where it is now at 69 and some 200 respectively. we've been trying to keep tabs on the american community. there are five americans involved in the attack wounded. in the attack according to the state department. no american fatalities. some other nationalities, people of other nationalities that were killed because nairobi, as you know, is a very cosmopolitan city in some ways. the u.n. has its largest headquarters in east africa here in this town. been traveling here for a long, long time. there are u.n. personnel, nongovernmental organizations represented here, world food program. it's a real hub in this part of the world. that's why the u.s. and others have been very concerned about the apparent emerging influence of groups like al shabab and others linked to al qaeda in this part of the world. that's one reason that they are very concerned. >> we'll be keeping our eye on this, obviously developing situation. ron allen, we'll be back with you. coming up on "morning joe," chuck kod will be here and pat toomey as well. we'll be right back. the morning papers. "wall street journal" a landslide victory for german chancellor angela merkel who was re-elected for a third term but her party, the pro business free democrats fell short of the seats needed to win parliament. the election sends a message that germany is standing by the euro. merkel's popularity is attributed to a strong economy and low unemployment rate. >> the german economy has just been extraordinary. compared to all the other countries. actually event fiscally responsible. >> $270 million worth of cocaine found on an air france flight. several people have been taken infor questioning. >> overseas in sydney, the sydney morning herald a flight was delaid out of australia after a snake tried to hitch a ride. it was discovered on a qantas plane. 370 passengers were inconvenienced by the unwelcomed guest. the snake was about seven inches long. why don't they grab it and take it off. >> at that lot of aviation in our news reports. >> do we have any highlights, t.j. of like squirrels water skating? >> next hour. >> you want to do the emmemmys. louie berg dover put out his best dress. sophia from "modern family." claire danes. claire danes won best actress for "homeland." >> that's a pick? >> john hamm. we like him. he's a good guy. >> you don't like that beard? >> no, i don't. >> how about without the beard. >> without the beard. >> but even with the beard i'm all over that guy. >> he's like a guy that's so cute even guys think he's cute. >> love the beards. very nice. very attractive guy. >> it's like hugging santa claus. >> so some speeches, the awards were the shortest and best evident speech of the night went to meredith weaver who won for "nurse jackie." >> thank you so much. thank you so much. um, i got to go. bye. >> she's great. >> that was fantastic. >> how come she's so awesome. >> somebody said last night i didn't know her but i'll know her for the rest of my life. julia louie-dreyfuss won. >> i would like to thank my family. >> she said who i love very much. >> he also won for best supporting actor. best actor in a drama, no one than jeff daniels who beat out cranston and spacey. >> i usually don't win anything. last thing i won was a few years ago for winning the best actor over 50 from the aarp. we have to move the golden bark-0-launcher. >> jeff daniels was smacking gum up there. >> he's great. we love him. love him in the show. but crying cranston -- >> and hamm. >> and spacey. that's like passing up bob gibson for the cy young or sammy cofax. >> you think the amc, the hamm and cranston vote. >> he is, but you don't watch "breaking bad." >> i don't. >> i've seen some of it. >> i'm telling you -- when you guys watch "breaking bad" you will say -- >> we're going watch on the back of a van on the way to montana. certify don't know what that means. i know will farrell had a great moment. >> last minute duty. >> unfortunately, helen mirren dropped out and they called me 45 minutes ago and i couldn't find child care. we had a soccer game, a neighbor's birthday party, a nut allergy. didn't have time to do my hair. it doesn't matter. it's great to be here. >> we love him. >> love him. >> now were those his real boys? >> don't know. i cannot confirm that. >> think he's got three boys. >> they subbed in kids? >> i'm just saying. i rented kids. everybody rents kids. >> wait. >> you don't rent kids? >> no. >> we tried to help you. >> they rent kids. politicians. hollywood people. they don't call it renting kids. >> they call it an internship. >> a scholarship fund. >> nicole! >> willie, please. >> wow. that's pretty wild. bringing your own kids on tv. coming up on football. >> i couldn't be more excite preponderance of the evidence >> the bears playing sunday night football. >> how bad are the steelers. >> how bad are the redskins. the giants. yesterday the bronx bombers playing tribute to mariano rivera. sports is next. >> my dad, my mother. ♪ [ male announcer ] we all have something neatly tucked away in the back of our mind. a secret hope. that thing we've always wanted to do. it's not about having dreams, it's about reaching them. ♪ an ally for real possibilities. aarp. find tools and direction at aarp.org/possibilities. time for some sports. how bad are the new york giants. i say that as a fan of new york giants playing in the carolinas. newton threw three touchdowns. final score 38-0. new york's worst loss, first 0-3 start since 1996. >> this team won a super bowl a couple of years ago. >> they are getting killed up front. eli is throwing interception, getting sacked. >> no running game at all. >> so eli doesn't have protection? >> none. >> you can't blame -- >> throwing a lot of interceptions. most in nfl. at halftime they had 18 total yards. 18. unheard of. sunday night football steelers looking for their first win of the season the bears jumped out the a huge lead. right in the middle of the second quarter steelers made it interesting in the third. watch this. holds on, cutting the lead to seven. this game was in pittsburgh. nice grab. from earl bennett. >> i tell you what -- he may go all the way. >> appreciate that, guys. >> thanks guys. >> the week's most exciting finish the bears won the game. packers in cincinnati. packers up three need to convert a fourth. johnthan franklin fumbles. >> bengals come back. 34-30. they beat the packers. >> san francisco also got pounded >> got crushed. >> by the colts. >> i want to hear about the yankees. >> the colts look good. the redskins 0-3. not looking good. >> miami 3-0. >> miami 3-0. >> all right. >> let's do a little baseball. yankee stadium mariano rivera day at yankee stadium. >> to my dad, my mother, and the other side over there, thank you for having me. i guarantee you it was a great day or great night i don't know what it was, but it was great because -- gracias. thank you. >> great lou gehrig speech. >> metallica showed up yesterday. pre-game ceremony, number 42 retired. all the yankee great were there. he got a bunch of stuff. today three more home games. as for the game itself yankees took a tough loss 2-1 against the giants. they are pretty much done. rivera got an inning and two-thirds of scoreless pitching. four out. cleveland is right there with tampa. texas still interest. two of those three teams going to come out and play. i think cleveland has a light schedule. cleveland probably gets in with tampa. coming up next the must read opinion pages. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. as your life changes, fidelity is there for your personal economy, helping you readjust along the way, refocus as careers change and kids head off to college, and revisit your investments as retirement gets closer. wherever you are today, fidelity's guidance can help you fine-tune your personal economy. start today with a free one-on-one review of your retirement plan. 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the news. okay. in my business you don't have to watch the news. you know what -- what's with this. jersey girls always cause problems. so one person in this entire room watches "breaking bad." >> i like to watch it. >> i'm not proud of it. i just fell behind and need to catch up. i'm with sam i'll binge watch it. >>t's amazing stuff. >> do you watch it. >> i watch it while reading foreign affairs. >> shut up. we got a lot to talk about. the emmys last night. there's a palpable like a buzz in here. people angry because brian cranston of "breaking bad" got screwed. you can sense it in the newsroom right there. >> all right. we're going to have all that coming up. >> also talking a lot about what's going on in washington the next two weeks. here's a budgetary show un. even though the press thinks it will break one way, i don't think we'll know how this story will end. >> mini shutdown? >> just don't know how this story will end because obama care gets less popular by the day. >> let's see what a week does with their campaign and the republicans continuing their wonderful efforts p.m. >> courage stand. except for the surrender monkeys in the senate. >> keeping on keeping on guys. we want to begin with the situation in kenya. latest on the mall massacre. just this morning a loud explosion was heard coming from the nairobi mall. filling the skies with black smoke. the latest blast was fold bay series of smaller detonations and more gunfire. according to the red cross the latest death toll is at least 68 people dead. and 175 injured. republican congressman and former homeland security chairman peter king says the u.s. must find out if any americans were involved in the terror attack and make sure al shabab does not strike in the u.s. next. >> it's extremely deadly organization, very well trained and it's one of the only al qaeda affiliates which actually has actively recruited here in the united states. there's at least 40 to 50 somalia-americans have gone from the united states to somalia to be trained. a number of them have been killed. but others still alive. so i would assume that the fbi and local law enforcement are looking into those somalia-american communities today for any leads or indicators using all their sources and resources to make sure that there's no followup attempt here in the united states. >> richard, i think some people have heard of al shabab, don't know a lot of them specifically based in somalia. we hear that they are al qaeda linked. what kind of threat do they pose to the united states? >> terrorism is global. they have capacity. they have reached. they possibly have some american recruits if it's not them could it be somebody else. you don't eliminate terrorism. it's like a disease. you don't get rid of it. you defend yourself against it. if need be you bounce back from it. these guys are on the global conveyor belt. they will try to do something there. not them some guys returning from syria in a year or two. >> peter king is talking about this american connection. we talked with somebody last hour. we're not concerned about guys coming to the mall these terrorists coming to a mall and shooting people up. >> we should be. we're fortunate. it's more the future face of terrorism much it doesn't have to be high value target where's you can have local defense. if you think of every mall as a terrorist target, every school as a terrorism target then you can't defend against it. so that's the sort of thing that worries me whether it's al shabab or some other group. >> right now in this attack, this is more of a battle between kenya and somalia. >> absolutely. >> than people next week saying hey let's take down a building in new york city. >> this is not a group whose ideology is globalist. this is the role of kenya soldiers in somalia. so i think it was largely local. again, it's a reminder terrorism has a global reach. they are all connected loosely with training, with funding and the rest. if it's not them it could or will be somebody else. >> looks like some possible conclusion, the situation is breaking right now. we're watching this closely and getting the latest in from nbc's ron allen. let's get to politics now as we watch that. there's just one week to go for lawmakers to strike a deal to fund the federal government and avoid a shutdown. but we appear no closer to a solution. as expected democrats over the weekend took every chance they could to hit republicans for obstructing a possible compromise on the debt all because of obama care. >> i call them legislative arsonists. they are there to burn down what we should be building up in terms of investments and education and scientific research and all that it is that make our country great. >> these guys have been running around the country, demagoguing, scare issue. they are not afraid it will be unsuccessful. >> i don't think in america we should throw tantrums when we lose election and threaten to shut down the government and refuse to pay the bills. >> democrats and republicans alike have their eyes on senator ted cruz to see if the man at the center of the defund obama care movement will follow through with his threat to filibuster the budget that funds the affordable care act. now chris wallace spoke about the response that he got from just booking senator cruz on his sunday show. take a look. >> this has been one of the strangest weeks i've ever had in washington and i say that because as soon as we listed ted cruz as our featured guest this week, i got unsolicited research and questions, not from democrats but from top republicans who, to hammer cruz. >> yep. wow. >> sarah palin wrote something in support of him. >> you know, seriously, the overwhelming majority of people are on the side of the republican party of tom coburn, scott walker. you just go down the list. charles krauthammer. and paul ryan. people have been concerned for years, economic conservatives. again, national review is saying that there's some members that fear if they continue to follow this stupid tactical approach that will lose, just has to do with sheer ignorance of how to wayne football game. this is like running the wish bone night yesterday. somebody says, you know, i saw that the wish bone worked really well back in the 1970s with barry switzer, we'll run the wish bone. it's not ideology. it's stupidity. stupid outdated tactic that won't work. >> think that's right. i think this is also, if you look at the grassroots of the republican party they are so hungry for leadership, and i'm reminded of that scene in "the american president" michael j. fox say they are so hungry for leadership, they will take the mirage. it's not honest to call on troeb republicans to defund obama care. >> do you know who said it's not honest? do you know who said it's not honor northeast say we'll shut down the federal government, to defund obama care? mike lee. he said it's not worth it. ted cruz said, we need a couple of elections. jeremy peters, this is pretty remarkable that they have basically admitted what the critics have been saying over the past six months. >> right. and, you know, you have factions of the party that are sniping at one another that you wouldn't ordinarily see. that's part of the problem. even though they won't admit it publicly, i think even the die-hards who say, you know, we must defund obama care at all costs will say privately this is unwinnable. that's why you have this confused strategy over how much do we go down screaming and that's where you have some of the coburns and the john mccains saying let's not go too overboard here and ted cruz saying what your talking about? this is exactly why i was elected. i was elected not to compromise. >> and the republicans in the house do what he said he wanted and then attacks them. let's go sam stein who is watching lawrence welk last night on youtube instead of the latest "breaking bad" episode. the bubbles are inspiring. let's talk about democrats who really hararen't holding. obama care very unpopular with most americans. and we showed clips of it this week and they actually sound just as frantic as republicans accusing republicans of being arsonist, hostage takers, terrorists. demagogues. seems to me neither side is holding a strong hand. this might be a war of attrition. >> yeah. you know, i think what you're picking up from a lot of democrats is concern not over the obama care fight, they feel the health care will be there in a week's time, no chance the president will sign a bill to defund it. this is a trojan horse. even those the republicans are making a big stink they will end up with a bill that funds the government at lower levels than a lot of democrats. the vast majority of democrats are very comfortable with. so we're going to end up out of this continuing resolution fight with basically sequestration baked into the spending levels and for at that lot of democrats the president included that's a problem. they don't think that that's sustainable. they would like to spend more money on things they think can stimulate the economy and we're spending all of our attention talking about ted cruz, talking about the affordable care act when those are side shows. we have a real problem right now for democrats with the amount of money we're going to spend on discretionary stuff. >> as republicans and democrats fight this out the white house, of course, is working on a huge plan to try to sell the legislation again to northwestern people over the next week. i know what the polls say. they say people don't know what it is or they don't like it. what if you did a poll, richard haas do you want to start all over again with health care i doubt people would not want to do that. >> i think they would. do you want to leave 30 million people uncovered. one this is part of the large engineer narrative that washington doesn't work. if you go to washington that's where you go to stop things. the other is we spent the last couple of weeks talking about syria and question of america's credibility. think about this not just as a domestic issue think about this as national security issue. this is what the united states looks like to world. it raises questions about us being able to get things done. it's as much as a foreign policy issue as much as domestic. >> foreign policy begins at home. >> it's a fantastic book. >> that's why he missed "breaking bad." >> jeremy, before we let you go, go back to something we talked a little bit last hour, what are the odds we get to a government shutdown? we got eight days left. if so, what does that look like? what happens after that? >> that's the interesting thing. so presidents have the ability to shape what a shutdown looks like and what the message is going forward. president has a much bigger bully pulpit than any single leader in congress. if you go back to the 1995-1996 shutdowns what you saw the message slipping away from newt gingrich and the republicans. back then they controlled both houses of congress and that's a key difference from the situation right now as republicans only control the house. president obama has the ability to set the agenda here in a way that, you know, i think democrats hope will be very advantageous. >> let's hope. sam stein where do you see this ending? >> well i'm a bit more optimistic about a deal to avert a shutdown in part because i think republicans look at the landscape and say well we can punt on this and then in three weeks time we can do it all over again with the debt ceiling. i know it sounds crazy because the debt ceiling is very similar in terms of negotiating. but for john boehner and erick cantor and everyone else aths way to say to their colleagues we don't have an upper hand now let's fight later on. i feel they will go back to what the original plan was short term continuing resolution and live to fight another day. >> if they could win a battle where they get the president to defund obama care, that would be one thing. if you could -- because we tried to not raise the debt limit several times, i always voted against raising the debt limit and you always have the day before the markets panicking and everybody on wall street calling the leadership panel and you always fold like a house of cards. so if they could be smart through these two battles they actually were starting to see the republican brand rise for first time since about 2011. republicans are beating democrats on issue after issue after issue. i our don't as a republican i don't want to lose that advantage. i want to keep going. coming up next we got pat toomey here. he's ted cruz's chief strategist and he actually has, toomey has been whispering in ted cruz's ear, here's what you should do next. he's going to walk off soon. richard haas thank you for being here. we greatly appreciate it. foreign policy begins at home. >> yes it does. jeremy peters, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> sam, will you stay? 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we'll help you get there. >> alongside the anguish of these american families, alongside the accumulated outrage so many of us feel, sometimes i fear there's a creeping resignation that these tragedies are just somehow the way it is. that this is somehow the new normal. we can't accept this. that was the president talking about the navy yard shooting at the memorial service. 22 past the hour. joining us now on set, republican senator from pennsylvania senator pat toomey, welcome back. and nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of the daily rundown, chuck todd. >> chuck, i'm shocked, man. pat toomey didn't sign the letter. >> you know what that makes him. >> defund obama care. >> a rhino. >> define rhino. somebody who knows how to win in swing states. these days. so, listen. it seems to me that our party, the republican party, is actually coming together. you're still hearing about this quote civil war. but when i have pat toomey and tom coburn and charles kraut hammer and scott walker and paul ryan all on the same page, i think that's a unified party. and, the lamar alexanders on the more moderate side looks like most republicans are realizing hey we can be conservative and win. we don't have to engaging stupid tactics. >> i think we're actually getting there. we're not completely unified as you know and that's a little problematic. one of the things we're struggling with is establishing what's a realistic expectation for what we can accomplish when we control one out of three parts of the elected government. when you control on which one out of the three you don't dictate the terms. you can have some wins if you are smart and focus on where that opportunity lies. for significance obama care is extremely unpopular. no surprise. employers are dropping coverage. small employers are not hiring people. the president is granting waivers to his friends, exchanges aren't ready, the president has to unilateral decide which things to enforce and which things not to enforce. i think this is an opportunity to say hey let's peel off a few of the truly unpopular things, medical device tax, 79 votes in the u.s. senate to repeal that. why not do that. and let's delay the things that certainly need to be delayed as least implicitly acknowledged by the other side. >> chuck todd it's fascinating with the republican party that these guys have been running commercials saying call and harass republican senators and congressmen and women. have actually done more to you night the republican party than anybody in a long time. house republicans are just enraged -- >> why did they do it? >> they voted -- >> that to me is like -- because you're right. they did vote on the bill. >> they know they are 1/3. they laid down the marker. harry reid does what harry reid does. they come together in conference. they weren't voting for a government shutdown. so you have ted cruz and mike lee then basically saying what they have been saying all along which is, well we're not going shut down the government over this. >> that's what -- you assume that's what will happen. i assume ted cruz is feeling the pressure from being taunted by some of these house members who i think have been taunting him and saying okay -- >> for good reason. >> you've been going around, you've been whipping up folks in a frenzy. let's see you do something. i assume he's going to try some sort of a stunt this week to prove the skeptics in the house that he's willing to put some sort of -- >> he's not a surrender monkey. >> put some skin in the game but i can't figure out what that is. senator remember i want to ask you this. do you think the republican party ought to pursue a strategy that case okay we didn't like the president's health care plan. but you know what he was re-elected, elections have consequences, so now let's work with the administration to shape it and implement it. are you ready to implement this thing because -- there was a chance to repeal it. it was called the 2012 election. >> this bill can't be fixed. it's built on flawed from misses, internal contradictions aside from the very sloppy midnight way it was slapped together. it's fundamentally impossible. our strategy should be systematically repeal the pieces we can, delay things we can't repeal and wait for the day to repeal the rest. it's fundamentally the wrong direction to put government so much in control of health care. health care should be controlled by individuals. >> by the way, warren buffett came out last week and said, willie, we got to start all over. obama care is not going to work. we need to start all over. warren buffett, big democrat. >> easier said than done starting over. that's a big process. you described piecemeal change chip away at the affordable care act. how frustrate is it for you to have somebody like ted cruz swoop in with his own plan that over shadows what you're doing behind-the-scenes. >> a better tactic would have been better to focus on those discreet pieces we can peel away. why should the president get to unilateral decide which parts he'll enforce and grant employers a unilateral waiver, a waiver to various union groups and individuals can't get a delay on this? i don't think that sounds reasonable to the american people. i think that ought to be our focus. by the way, this is already doing serious damage to the economy. back to your point, chuck, i don't know how you change that short of getting rid of this bill. the dynamics are contrary to tint of creating jobs. so i don't think you can fix it. that's why i think we ought to be -- >> let's get sam in quick. >> to go back, you talk to businesses they were drowning in the cost of health care before there was an affordable care act. and this is trying to attempt at least shift southeast cost -- i hear you. >> it's worst. >> they don't know that yet. they are using this -- you don't think some of these businesses are using this as an excuse to basically push, to try to shrink the size of their costs because they know they can have somebody else to blame. >> we've seen huge increases in their bills and more coming and it's not rocket science. you impose these mandates it's not free. you force people to buy things whether they want it or not. they have to pay more for those things. >> the public hears you have to replace the entire binghampton you can't fix it or implement it and they look at the republican house bill it takes the medicare savings and use it for deficit reduction. how do you square the two. >> this is a negotiated process. it ain't going to happen overnight. pieces will be moving all the way through. >> i'm saying you have portions. obama care act in the house of the republican deficit bill. it uses to reduce the deficit. you're here saying you want the entire bill replaced. it seems contra dick shower. >> the budget is a document that lays out a set of principles. you got to work there to what's actually implementable. whatever might be in the house republican budget doesn't make the case that obama care works. it doesn't work. >> senator toomey, willie geist and i are very disturbed about another issue here. that we want to talk to you bp >> what's coming here, chuck? 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[ female announcer ] come in to find the right credit options for your needs. because when people talk, great things happen. 42 past the hour. here with us now ceo and chief designer of kathy ireland's worldwide kathy ireland. welcome back to the show. good to have you on board. >> thank you. it's great to be here. >> we were just talking about how long your company has been going. and nicole, with the frightening realization. it's only been ten years. 1993. >> i two wrote 2003 two weeks a. you have no idea what year you're in. >> mom brain. >> or joe brain. >> it's remarkable whether 10 years xx years. it's remarkable what's happened to you in the past 20 years. i take it things are still going great? >> it's exciting. it's humbling. this year is our 20 year anniversary. and i'm very -- i take that very seriously with our team, what an amazing group of people. there were many who said this was not going to last, but 20 years we're here to stay. >> you guys made a couple of dollars along the way. >> you know, it's been a great journey and in many ways we're still a baby brand. we got a long way to go >> you're launching some new lines and you're moving forward and it's a tough economy to do that in and one of the things -- i did a panel with torri birch on friday. she put her name on her brand. you've put your name on your brand. we were talking about how for women that's hard to do. they feel it's untoward. your name had brand value and you've taken it one step, two step, three steps, ten steps and now moving forward with some new lines. was that awkward at first or did you own it back 20 years ago? >> 20 years ago, that name had to be earned. in the last century i worked as a model. okay. i knew from early on my customers were too savvy they wouldn't purchase something because it had my name. it had to mean something. we worked hard to earn her trust. we have to work harder to main taint. it stands for responsibility. >> what does it stand for? >> we have four promises for every product we design and market and that is fashion, quality, value and safety. safety is relevant in everything whether we're talk about the situation in the factory, the working conditions or the actual products themselves. once you get them into a home, for example, large case goods, we offer tip kits, little ones love to climb, i live in california where there's earthquakes. anything can happen. we want to avoid injuries. >> tell us more about the company. how big are you? what is the current economy doing? where do you see opportunities? >> where many see challenges i see great opportunities. i just returned from bali last week for the forbes global ceo conference a privilege to speak there, to connect with people particularly women and forbes since its inception in 1917 has supported women and business and what's interesting, because we talk about there is still that glass ceiling that needs to be shattered but when we talk about entrepreneurialism, women entrepreneurs have a 25% edge over men. and i think a part of that has to do with as women by nature we multitask. we are conflict resolution oriented. we're nurturing. so we look at this tsunami that our country is facing right now and we're in solution mode. and that's what i encourage people, small business is -- that's the engine behind this country. that's what we have to focus on. whatever our government is doing, you we as entrepreneurs and as my ceo skills come from my mom skills as people running their families we got to get our budgets under balance and look at these challenges as opportunities, how can we navigate through them. i think we're living in exciting times. >> women are about solutions. they are. >> we are. we are the deciders. earnings not at dog tracks. >> on cigarettes. >> a lot of people in both political parties use small business owners and you're not small business any more but use business as a political, not a punching bag but they speak for what businesses want. what do businesses want from government? >> businesses -- we want to be able to run our businesses, to grow. we need to be sustainable. we need to have those, all of those issues need to be addressed in a powerful way. right now people are afraid -- the uncertainty makes it afraid to hire. and we don't want that. we need to be able -- i like to look at the micro, the macro, all of it years ahead. we need our government to get it together so that we can make our plans. >> well said. kathy ireland, always good to see you. thanks for coming on the set today. >> thank you. >> congratulations on 20 years. >> coming up we got some breaking news. multiple explosions being reported in kenya during an attempt to rescue hostages at the mall. we're following the very latest. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. she's always had a playful side. and you love her for it. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or if you have any allergic reactions such as rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >> 52 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." our next guest was named "time" magazine's 100 most influential people in the world. joining us now is the founder and ceo of the multiple myeloma research foundation who has an announcement in the personal fight. tell us the announcement. it's big news. >> tomorrow in new york city we will be announcing our new programs in cancer research that are critically important. the first is that we are really focusing on big data. genomic sequencing is allowing us to move in that direction. the second is open access. that means everyone is going to share data in the public domain that does not currently happen. the third is we are allowing patients to raise their hands and empower themselves into the right clinical trials. >> the sharing of data. how much do you think that will fast forward towards cures some. >> why hasn't there been? >> it's so simple. >> it's frustrating because it's where the system is broken. people are not bad, it's just that the system doesn't work very well. the way they move ahead is publish or perish. you want to be the first to find your own invention and you want to put it out to the public domain at that point. that's not fast sharing. what you have to do is make sure everyone is willing to give up intellectual property so all scientists can look at it. that's the key. >> most people are not familiar with your story or the disease. >> this is extremely personal. >> i was diagnosed with multiple miloma when i was 37 and i was running a company with a 1-year-old girl. everything was wonderful and it all came crashing down. thi said we are sorry, this is 100% fatal. you will live three years. >> what is the disease? >> it's a blood cancer similar to leukemia or lymphoma or other blood cancers. back then it was intensely fatal. >> nicole has proven she is not good at math. you look like you are about 37 or 38. >> i know it has been longer than that. >> what happened? >> i have been hugely fortunate. we started the multiple myeloma research foundation in 1998 and it shows it takes about ten years to bring a drug to market. it does to the lock like that. we work with amazing partners and built our own tissue banks and network of 16 centers. we conducted 47 trials of 24 drugs. now six of the drugs have been approved by fda in the last ten years. we more than doubled the lifespan of our patients. i have been on the drugs and i benefitted from them and i did a stem cell transplant with my identical twin sister. >> to encapsulate the news. you were diagnosed when your baby was born and had three years to live. how old is your baby? >> she is a sophomore at boston college. i have a son now and he is a junior. >> you are giving so many people hope. >> i hope so. >> thank you. for more information on multiple myeloma research foundation visit the rrmf.org. help out if you can. thank you, kathy. coming up, we are kicking off the "morning joe" book club. which we picked for the first installment. it's so good. >> i can't believe how they end that book. >> and next, one week to go for lawmakers to avoid a government shut down. are we any closer? 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i can give you a smidge of advice. look around and take it in and enjoy every second of this. there is a good chance they won't ask you back next year. >> you have to do a little tippy tap. >> i am not going to do anything like that. that is far too gay. >> look at this. a burch of amateurs from the guy from duck dynasty. >> it's all going according to my plan. i was promised the hosting job and they turned me down. they wanted someone more likeable. really? look at that parade of blabbering buffoons. >> take your pants off. parta> >> take your pants off. >> that would be degrading. >> it might be degrading, but we would be degradeful. >> it's 5:00 on the west coast as you look at new york city. we have mark halpern and nicole wallace. >> only one thing to talk about with the emmys. it's the occasion. we have music for six years. have you not heard it for six years. >> that's okay. it's nice. get over your happy talk. let's go. >> the only thing to talk about is brian cranston getting screwed. >> anna gun did not. >> we love jeff daniels. we love him as a person and i like the job. a lot of haters. >> great actor. >> he's a humanizing force. i love him. giving him best actor last night over brian cranston, seriously? in this season? that's like saying ringo made the second side of abby road. are you a breaking bad guy? >> no, so i can't get all that exercise about it. >> let me tell you, brian cranston -- >> why? >> because brian cranston. it is a remarkable force in breaking bad. >> he's amazing. >> they turned this into the brian cranston memorial award and they decided not to give it to him. >> a lot of times the academies go after a few years for the contrarian award. sometimes the right thing to do is to keep giving it to this guy. michael jordan was the mvp all these years and then they decided to give it to karl malone. it's unfortunate of course. the beatles didn't win in 1964. john lennon didn't get until after he died. that tells you about these award shows. >> you have been shutout of people's choice awards. >> it is unbelievable. i am going to do this for you guys. in return. >> is that a cohost. >> nobody just wants me. >> they do. >> i understand why i'm here. mika is here and i'm out. >> modern family won for best comedy. breaking bad took home best drama. you will have the full highlights in a bit. woe will tease this. >> i can't supposed to talk about any of this. >> you weren't. we have a lot going on. we will bring you up to speed on the latest from washington where ted cruz is dead set on defeating obama care. wow. we begin with the latest on the mall massacre in kenya. the latest death toll is at least 68 people dead and 175 injured. nbc nows's ron allen is in nairobi with the latest. >> police and helicopters were over the be seized west dpegate mall. the militant group linked to al qaeda claimed responsibility tweeted kenyan forces tried to storm the building and failed miserably. they are attacking for kenya sending troops to somalia where the fighters are from. based on tweets from the militant group claiming it has u.s. citizens in the ranks, the u.s. is locking into whether americans are involved in carrying out the attack. error, kenya's president visited hospitals filled with the wounded where there is an urgent appeal for blood. he said he personally shared the grief of the nation revealing a nephew and fiance died in the bloodshed. >> these are young lovely people i personally knew and loved. >> president obama called to express condolences and support. later john kerry added this. >> it represents the seriousness and the challenge we face with ruthless and completely reckless people. >> showing the terrifying a are tack in the mall, it was released, capturing the moment when they burst into the mall around noon on saturday. the video shows shoppers fleeing for their lives in a hail of gunshots lasting a period of several minutes. an american attorney who moved to kenya in july from north carolina said she hid for four hours. >> you could hear him back there methodically going from store to store, talking to people, asking questions, shooting, screams and then it would stop for a while and they would go to another store. >> toiler hicks, a "new york times" photographer who covers war zones and lives nearby raced to the mall when he saw the crowd trying to escape the mayhem. >> it's like anywhere you looked, there would be another body. terrified people crying and screaming and running for their lives. >> they converged on a community where they are trying to figure out what happened to the many still unaccounted for. >> want to get to politics now because we are counting down a week to go for lawmakers to strike a deal and avoid a shut down. we appear no closer to a solution. democrats tries to obstruct a possible compromise on the debt because of obama care. >> i call it an arsonist. they are there to burn down what we should be building up in terms of investments in education and scientific research and all that it is that make our country great. >> these guys have been demi goinging and scare mongering on the issue. they are not afraid it will be unsuccessful. they are afraid it will be successful. >> i don't think we should throw tantrums and threaten the shut down the government and refuse to pay the bills. >> democrats lost elections in the house. >> a lot passed. >> i know, but we are not great britain. we don't have a and one party doesn't win and the other doesn't lose. republicans won races. they have the house. it's a divided government. they didn't win and we didn't lose. >> do you think this is a good use of their time trying to defeat obama care? >> of course i do. i have not been saying ted cruz is an idiot because he's on the wrong side. he's acting like an idiot because of his tactics. listen, there is not a republican who doesn't think obama care is an absolutely horrible piece of legislation that is not good for this country. yes it is passed and it's the law of the land. americans don't like it. can we stop showing this guy? i'm serious. >> that's a visceral reaction. >> it's not a visceral reaction. we are building him up. he's desperate to not look like the biggest fool in washington, d.c. he is scrambling. let's talk about something bigger. obama care. listen. if republicans don't get in their way and if we are not the stupid party, we are on the side of the american people on this issue. it's not -- all these people over the weekend, nancy pelosi the arsonist and obama care, it's the law of the land and everybody loves it. they didn't sweep barack obama into office because of obama care. he won because mitt rom no ran one of the worst campaigns i have seen. americans don't like obama care. we need to stay out of the right. you shouldn't shut down the government. >> i know people who like it. >> 33% like it, in fact. >> i know young people who signed up for it who were happy. >> they get to stay on their parents's plan. >> that's great. >> by the way, after you are 37, barack obama is having you roll into guaranteed food stamps until you are 73. food stamps for middle class. >> this is an issue that republicans are in opposition to this law. we were in favor of reforming what's not working and less intrusive in people's lives. independents happen to agree with us. the problem we are having as a party is this big skirmish over tactics. whenever the policy is lost in process, it turns into a big political answer. >> the other day, he goes obama care is not worth shutting the government down for. are we surrender monkeys? >> this is the week where republicans have to figure out what their message is. the fight is coming and the white house and the democrats know what their message is. we don't like shut downs and we don't like obama care, about you we want to make a deal. you have to put something on the table that says here's what we want. it's realistic and as you suggested before, there is lots of things they can pick from where they have the support of the american people. >> on obama care, the american people on the side of republicans. >> on a policy. >> you can't find a poll that doesn't show americans agree with republicans when it comes to being against obama care. guess what. frame it. see it strategically and frame it in a way that you get something significant about it. you talking to the republicans at this point? >> i'm not sure that house republicans are passing this. i'm talking to the surrender monkeys who were being self righteous three or four days ago. i am asking them to get their heads and all the money they raised by pushing the strategy that was aconine. >> the messaging, the republicans found a way to botch that. here's chris wallace talking about the response he got from just booking senator cruz on the sunday show. >> this has been one of the strangerest weeks i have had in washington because as soon as we listed ted cruz as the featured guest, i got unsolicited research and questions not from democrats, but from top republicans to hammer cruz. >> wow. that's because he's a surrender monkey and he caved in and betrayed the house republicans who are good conservatives who voted to defund obama care and the second they pass it, he cuts them out of their needs. he's a surrender monkey. i wish he would fight more. >> from at least one person. he's got support from former republican vice presidential candidate sarah palin. >> thank god. lock at nicole. >> they have lots of friends in common and they are really vocal. >> that's right. >> she writes in part, following the will of the people is a novel idea in d.c. these days. ask cruz and his liberty loving posse on capitol hill who let the charge to defund obama's train wreck. the cowards are rushing to anonymous low -- >> that's enough. can i stop you? you know what is sad about this? she could have been the contender if she had a good handler. just stop. i want to go to jeremy peters. can you blank the teleprompter. i can't hear any of this. it makes my teeth hurt because there serious republican who is want to win and not just pose and get facebook likes. let's talk about strategy. you know what the democrats are going to do? they are going insult republicans and call them arsonists and terrorists and over the top language. is there a group of republicans on capitol hill that is smart enough to take what is blowing behind their back and get something good out of it for conservatives? >> you are certainly hearing a lot of republicans including ones you would not ordinarily suspect. they are saying all right, let's cool it. woe are not going to win the votes. it's not possible. >> tom coburn, is that who ted cruz and the poem call the surrender monkey? >> it has come down to that when you don't see them fighting with one another dragging it out here. i think this points to in addition to the tactical fight that nicole pointed to is a real generational and cultural shift where you have younger lawmakers elected in the tea party of 2010 saying we were e et cetera welled because we promised not to surrender and compromise. that's what they were doing. they talk to voters and the voters say do not give in. we don't like this law and you better carry out what we elected you to do. we have an older jepration of lawmaker who is i had a long conversation with bob bennett, the former senator from utah. i think he summed up the frustrations when he said these people, this nower generation lives in a world of experience and it's hard to reason with them. >> briefly what happens about days from now? the house bill goes to the senate. harry reid will strip out the defunding language and it goes back to the house. what is the house left with? at that point with only a couple days or hours left with an attempt to shut down the government? >> you don't know what john boehner will decide to do. does he put a bill on the floor with the majority of the conference does not like and will not vote for. do they try to add in more provisions of their own to the point where we edge closer to a government shut down? there is one thing i learned in covering want institution. you never want to predict what the men and women will do because they have proven themselves to be a highly unpredictable bunch. >> the tree story of how memorial medical center in new orleans made it through hurricane katrina. we debut the first pick of the "morning joe" book club in a bit. we will have full highlights from last night's emmy awards including the best acceptance speech ever. it really was. i cried. i wish they would do the same thing. here's bill with a check on the forecast. >> you can wrap up when we play music in the background. big weather event across the globe was a ty noon hit taiwan and then headed for mainland china. hospitaledly these people did have fun, but it killed 33 people on its journey. 1 helped helped mile per hour winds. it was a novelty for some. the tropics with rain heading across florida and the tampa area could see significant rainfall. we had the first significant rain effect from denver to colorado to boulder. you dope see hardly any clouds from boston to kansas city to dallas. what a start to fall. we have high pressure and beautiful weather conditions for so many locations. enjoy it. it's a gorgeous day. 85 in dallas and 69 in chicago and d.c. around 70. if i have and airport concerns it's tampa with the rain and thunderstorms. orlando, miami, new orleans minor weather concerns today. as far as d.c., this will be one of the best weeks of the entire year. low humidity and warm afternoons. you are watching "morning joe" on this monday. 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>> hamm always looks great. hamm is great. >> he's a good guy. you don't think he's cute. >> you don't like the beard? are. >> no,i don't. >> beers are cute. >> no. >> how about without the beard? >> even with the beard, i'm all over that. >> every man i know thinks he is hunky. >> i just like the guy. i love beards. >> very nice. very attractive man. >> halpern when he had a board. >> i didn't like him. >> look how great. a fuzzy santa claus. >> so speeches, the shortest and we say the best speech of the night was early on with merit weaver who won for nurse jackie. >> thanks. thank you so much -- i have to go. bye. >> that was great. that was fantastic. >> i love her. >> somebody said last night, i didn't know her, but now i will. julia louis dreyfus won for "veep." she is so good in that show. she got help from her fictional assistant, gary. >> i would like to thank our producers, tony roach, simon blackwell, chris and frank and rich and stephanie lang. i would like to thank our -- my family. >> she said who i love very much. tony hail who was whispering also won for "veep." >> very cute. >> best actor in a drama, no one more surprised than jeff daniels when he beat brian cranston and kevin spacey. >> didn't expect this. i usually don't win anything. the last thing i won was a few years ago i won the best actionor over 50 from the aarp. we will have to move the golden lounger they gave me. >> a lot of people pointed out he was smacking gum up there. he thought there was no chance. >> he's great. we love him. love him in the show. brian cranston, man. come on. >> a lot going on in that category. >> it's like passing up bob gibson for the cy young. >> he's divided. >> you think so? >> somehow. >> the amc and the hamm and cranston vote? >> he's great on that show. it's not like he is not deserving. >> he is, but you don't watch breaking bad. >> you have to watch the other. >> have you seen some of it? it's incredible. incredible. >> when you watch breaking bad, you will say -- >> we will watch on the way. >> i don't know what that means, but will ferrell had one of the great moments. >> will ferrell getting last minute duty showed up with his kids. >> unfortunately helen mile an hour an and maggie smith dropped out at the last second and they called me 45 minutes ago and i couldn't filed find child care and we had a soccer game and a neighbor's birthday party and a nut allergy and i didn't have time to do my hair. it doesn't matter. it's great to be here. >> we love him. >> i love him. >> were those his real boys? >> i cannot confirm that. >> he's got three boys. they subbed in three virtual boys. >> it's hollywood politics. we know people before. they hired kids. charlie crist and an early campaign that had kids sitting in. >> stop it. >> i'm just saying. everybody brings kids. >> i think my ability with tort reform. >> you don't win kids? 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>> so there is the ethics of it and what the doctors said. >> what did the doctors say? >> the doctor who was arrested said i was giving medicine for comfort. two others said they were exceptionally havening death. euthanasia or homicide or whatever word you want to put on it. the conditions were so desperate, they said i was afraid for my own and i thought if we all leave the hospital, the patients will lie here and suffer. we can't save all of them. not all of them were on the border of death flth you have a heavy set man and the elevators were out and according to the staff, they discussed it and said we can't save him. he's too heavy and we're tire and who can carry him? what happens sometimes in disasters is you forget there is other possibilities out there. >> i don't know what struck you, but i found that everybody that -- i don't know how you did this. i would like to know that angle too. you really get a sense of humanity and their family and their thinking and what builds their thinking earlier in life. >> who they are. what i thought was so -- the crowning achievement of this book was the combination and i don't know that i have seen it before, of your exquisite reporting. like a forensic -- a person at a crime scene putting back together every piece and it's perfect. sometimes when you read books like that, you are so in awe of the reporting that you get through a narrative. the narrative reads like a thriller. people come in and it's very emotional. to me i read the original reporting when it first came out and i saw you talking about it. i remember even in my own line thinking doctors are not supposed to play got, but in crisis that's the position they are put in by no choice of their own. playing god is a label society puts on doctors. they are doing their job and in an extraordinarily difficult circumstance. even with hurricane sandy when they decided there were six electrical sockets that worked and six ventilators. we call that playing god, but doctors call it making difficult choices. where do you think people will come down? >> that's the best part. >> that's for each of the readers to decide. my goal was to give the perspectives of the people who were participating and what ethics said and what the law says. to me it's not a question of pointing fingers, but how do we avoid this from ever happening again. sometimes in a disaster, we node the deep moral values to guide us. the conditions become very, very extreme. >> this was like a war zone. you hear about the hellatious decisions doctors have to make during those days in late august and september. >> you take a facility like this and you have the storm and it produces a lot of hard choices. great characters in the book which is a huge part of any narrative. talk about a character you think they would like at as opposed to fail. >> that's the question. the book starts with a physician who was one who was just -- we talk about a war zone and our doctors now, we have goals and ways. they are incredible what they accomplished. even during wartime you have a way of doing things. these were war doctors who never practiced for this. he is scared for his life and didn't have to. yet he makes this decision to haven that. you see all the sides. you see the sympathetic guy. >> he chose to stay. >> yes. many of them did. they are heroes, but they did something that we would question and learning about it, reading through it and walking through each of their shoes to the extent they can. that was my goal. to give you a feeling and the heat. what would you do. what would i do. that's hopefully if we step through it before the disaster, we can help. >> this is a good one. you have done a lot of work and worked in bosnia as a relief worker in disaster zones and covered wahospitals under siege. this is an incredible book. five days at memorial. life and death in a storm-ravaged hospital. thank you so much. we encourage to you read the book and join us in the discussion. tweet us using the hash tag. up next, so much for the post steve jobs slump. breaking numbers of how many people bought the new iphone. 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