and if we pay for it the way romney claims he's going to pay for it by eliminating loopholes, then obviously if everything is paid for, the middle class is going to have to pay more. and it is -- an absolute lie what the romney campaign has been putting out about this program and there are no details other than the cuts and it is a completely irresponsible program and the amazing thing to me about the romney campaign at this point is that every single day that they seem to step in something else. today was welfare reform. >> yeah. let's take a look at this. here is how the president pinned that romney hood tag on romney last might. it is funny, biting and may just stick. it says in one word romney would help the rich and hurt everyone else and lets listen to it. >> he'd ask the middle class to pay more in taxes so he could give another $250,000 tax cut to people making more than $3 million a year. it is like robin hood in reverse. it is romney hood. >> well, i think romney woke up this morning with that arrow pointed into his forehead because he came back with this. today his staff obviously came up with a comeback line for him because he's not that original. he saved it for his favorite resting hole, fox news. >> we have been watching the president say a lot of things about me and about my policies. and it is not right. and if i were to coin a term it would be obama-loney. he serving up a dish which is simply in contradiction of the truth. it relates to everything from how i'm going to help the middle class to tax policy. he simply is saying things that are not accurate. >> well, the robin hood theme, the president introduced last night, has gone out there on the web and lots of people are talking about it. look at this. site called men generator has a romney hood page. here it is. romney hood takes from the poor ask gives to the rich. tax breaks for me but not for thee. sherwood forest, where are all the trees? all the trees, i should say, are all the right height. playing off another number there. when you look at the numbers here, guys, it is true. if you are going to cut everybody 20%, look at what happens. say you are in the 35% bracket right at the top. that means you saved $70,000 off a million bucks. in the lower bracket you don't get a 7% tax cut and get like a 2% tax cut. 20% off of 10% in the lower straight a 2% cut. 20% off of 35 pes% gets you dow 28%. there is nothing fair about it. it shifts the tax breaks to the top and shifts the burden to the bottom, howard. it is so obvious. you can't deny when he said himself. >> no. i don't think you can. as joe was pointing out part of the problem romney has and one reason he leaves himself so vulnerable in this and other cases, is that he does than give details of what he supposedly is talking about. >> about the bracket of eliminati elimination. it says the tax cuts will be 20%. >> i know. that's clear, too. joe said that you have got to pay for it somehow. if you don't explain it, then people are going to assume rightly the worst. they are going to assume you will take away tax benefits or tax breaks that benefit the middle class. time and time again, romney ace lack of specificity, unwillingness to talk about his taxes, life, tax plan, leaves him open to this kind of attack justifiably and i know the romney people that i talked to earlier today, they are in a sort of -- mood right now, they are furious about the other attacks. but they don't seem -- >> why did -- why didn't he answer what was in his bag when he went to the hardware store? why did he say grocery stuff? what's the big secret? >> that's typical, joe. >> joe? >> it is no surprise that the guy is awkward. i think the point that howard is making is important here. romney said that he was than just giving these cuts but that they would be revenue neutral. that he would pay for them. however, what the tax policy center which incidentally is an organization that the romney campaign was praising during the primaries, what the tax policy center proved, was that there aren't enough tax loopholes to pay for this unless you start going into things like the -- mortgage interest deduction and the charitable tax deduction and a lot of other things that really, really affect the middle class in important way. >> more than that, chris, i think that -- in this and other things, mitt romney doesn't seem to quite get the idea that he needs to be forthcoming about what he's proposing to do. >> let's face it. mitt is in his program here and plan that the biggest beneficiaries of his whole economic program as he released it are people at the very top, they get the biggest break of taxes and aren't enough loopholes in the world at the top. especially to pay for these. in other words, the rich are going to get richer and people that -- bottom are going on pay for it. that's obvious. i wonder what his plan is to explain that. >> i don't think he has one. i asked -- >> earlier today, i asked one ever his people about it today. they said why do you want to talk about this tax plan? we want to talk about harry reid being like joe mccarthy. don't talk about the tax plan. talk about what a horrible guy barack obama is. >> joe, let's run through the envin torre what he won't talk bp he is not going to talk about his religion. he can do a better explanation but that's his call. totally political position. he does want to talk about his job as governor of massachusetts. he does want to admit he was a moderate up there. he doesn't want to talk about his business because he can't explain whatever. he won't talk about what's in his grocery bag or what he bought at the hardware store. he won't explain his tax plan. he is willing to say one thing, economy sucks, let's get rid of obama. that's all he ever basically says. isn't it? >> this has to be the -- you know, one of the least -- if not the least substantive campaign i have ever seen. he won't talk about -- well, nixon and -- nixon had a secret plan at the end of the war. in this case, he won't talk about what he is going to do to replace obama care if he repeals it which he can't do. has never said what he would do about financial reform, about breaking up the big banks on wall street. and his tax plan is now a mirage. the guy and -- you know, in foreign policy, over and over again, he makes a fool of himself saying very aggressive things that have no basis in fact or reamount. or detail. >> i think the next thing that they are going to talk about, chris, on the -- from the romney side, they are going to try to make an issue of the way they are saying barack obama and the democrats are running their campaign. in other words, they are going to talk about the harry reid attack on -- on taxes and so on. and they are going to -- they are going to run a -- have you no decency mr. president. the -- >> that's -- let's take a look. that's equally lacking in -- saying you are going to do it. >> running a tough, aggressive campaign is exactly how romney got this. here is a new obama ad that goes directly at how little romney pays in taxes. it isn't just effective. it is true. "washington post" political fact checking site which gives out pinocchios for untruth and this -- rarely seen gepetto. here is part of the ad. >> work hard, stretch every penny. but chances are you pay a higher tax rate than him. mitt romney made $20 million in 2010. but paid only 14% in taxes. probably less than you. >> so now they have the one tax return he has given us. they are hitting him on that one. >> yeah. i think it is a fair -- >> your thoughts,y pet owe according to the post is accurate. last word. >> you know, this hasn't been a really high-minded campaign on obama's part either. but, you know, when you look at the stuff that romney rolls out day after day, and you see how the democrats are countering it with their research as they did today on welfare reform, you have -- just have to say that the democrats are maybe one or two steps ahead of the romney camp so far in the thrust of this campaign. >> i think there's something stiff about the guy as a candidate. he is not offering us who he is. whoever he is. thank you, howard, joe. thanks for coming. categorically false and blatantly dishonest. that's what the house called romney's attack on new welfare requirements. welfare queens. also, hate music. racist and vim enmusic that was relished by the man behind sunday's mass killings at a sikh temple. what we are learning about the underground source of hate. hate rock. sarah palin is ready for a close-up but does the romney campaign want the camera on her? debate over whether palin should have a prime time role at the republican convention. nothing goes away. especially not sarah palin. finally, dinosaurs living side-by-side with human environmentalists. desperate to -- environmentalists to destroy the world's health. catch the textbooks they are using in louisiana. ♪ ♪ i want to go ♪ i want to win [ breathes deeply ] ♪ this is where the dream begins ♪ ♪ i want to grow ♪ i want to try ♪ i can almost touch the sky [ male announcer ] even the planet has an olympic dream. dow is proud to support that dream by helping provide greener, more sustainable solutions from the olympic village to the stadium. solutionism. the new optimism.™ ♪ this dream >> voters are heading to the polls in four states. missouri, washington state, kansas and michigan. most interesting race out there tonight is the republican primary for cincinnati in missouri among congressman todd akin, sarah steelman and john brunner. winner takes on claire mccaskill. she is vulnerable. she's a friend of this show. 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>> no. absolutely no truth to it. if you look back at this memo that came out in july, it basically says that the hhs won't consider any waivers of that significantly reduce work. in fact, the only way you can get a proof of waiver it increases work about 20%. as far as i can tell, there is no difference between romney's stance and obama's stance. >> sounds terrific. >> these ads are running. i was watching the olympics today. they are running during the olympics. so this is their new -- >> this is willie horton stuff. not is your pryingly white house press secretary carney took to the podium today to correct the romney ads. and asphalthoods. let's watch. >> from a policy standpoint, let me say that this advertisement is categorically false. it is blatantly dishonest. this administration's policy will strengthen the program by giving states the opportunity to employ more effective ways to help people get off welfare and into a job. under this policy, governors must commit that their proposals will move at least 20% more people, more people, from welfare to work. and as we have made very clear under our policy, any request, from any state, that under -- undercuts the work requirement in welfare reform will be rejected. >> the interesting thing, sam, and nia, i will get into this rather heartily here. the pictures of the wholesome family there concerned about welfare cheating are white people. and the implication here is clear that the people that are getting these welfare checks without working are not white people. and this is the old stuff that romney is resorting to here. familiar territory and willie horton's stuff and same old stuff reagan engaged in, talk about welfare queens and young bucks waiting in line with their food stamps to get vodka. i lived through all of that stuff. i know all the code. this is code. your thoughts, sam? >> the history is pretty clear on this. i think you -- illuminated it there. would other components to the ad. one is that, you know, there has been a concerted effort to make it seem bill clinton is the good centrist democrat to barack obama's radical liberal democrat. it has been a recurring theme for the campaign. secondly, whole notion of government dependency from credit to the grave, another thing romney campaign is hitting and goes along with this as well. one other thing i would like to stress i wonder if there is a price to pay for campaigns to run ads like this in terms of how their facts are so distorted and wrong. it seems like in -- works on both sides of the aisle campaigns have increasingly decided there is limited price to pay in terms of public opinion and for just throwing out the distortions and might as well do it because can filter through to the media and who knows how many people in swing states will see and it how many people in swing states will watch shows like this. >> fortunately you didn't grow newspaper this particular generation and still -- engaged in this crap. here is ronald reagan who is a good man in some ways. some ways. starting his campaign in 1976 and onward, often referring to welfare queens who collected checks under multiple aliases. let's watch him in action. >> chicago, getting checks under 127 different names. >> that's something from human events. i don't know where he got it from. pick up in the malarky, pick it up and everybody watching, i say come to washington, d.c., by the way, and get up early around 6:00, go around the neighborhoods like north capitol and florida avenue. watch the people going to work when they go to work. it works brilliantly if you are a target audience is working whites. >> we saw santorum. we don't need to go back to ronald reagan. santorum said when he was campaigning in iowa he would be of the kind of president that wouldn't give black people other people's money. he would give them actual jobs. of course he later rescinded that and said he was referring to blah people. i don't know who those people are. >> interesting. sometimes you want to be a little bit unclear. >> newt gingrich, whole idea of barack obama being a food stamp president. we know where this cop from. we do conjure up in this sosa certain image when you invoke welfare. this is the throwback to the 1996. i think this has long been settled. >> are you some kind of -- you are some kind of a -- you would appreciate this. isn't it true -- isn't it true that a -- most welfare checks and most food stamps go to working -- poor? working poor white people? statistically. >> yes. that's true. >> yeah. the game they play is no, that's not the picture you are posed to get. i think we should go -- show it later. that ad basically is about -- wholesome white people around -- concerned about other -- yes, sam. >> i was just -- i want to make the point we have gotten to a point in the campaign where we are -- candidates are competing on who can make it tougher for welfare recipients to get the checks. frame of the debate is very odd because by and large, the vast majority of welfare recipients desperately want to work. they would love nothing more than to be off of well pair and want to get a job. and now we are at the point of the campaign where each campaign has to say we are going to be tougher on welfare recipients as if they don't have it tough already. primary soft a bit. >> they are in there -- it is also this idea that somehow this is a huge part of the federal budget. i think it is something like 5%. >> i'm going on welfare. that's into career plan. pro-obama priorities, usa. i'm first. released this ad today. this is pro-obama. helping to bring the conversation back to bain. >> when mitt romney closed the plant i lost my health care. and my family lost their health care. and short time after that, my wife became ill. i don't know how long she was sick. and i think maybe she didn't say anything. because she knew that we couldn't afford the insurance. >> one day she became ill and i took her up to the jackson county hospital. and -- admitted her for pneumonia and that's when they found the cancer. by then it was stage four. there was nothing they could do for her. and she passed away in 22 days. i do not think mitt romney realizes what he has done to anyone. furthermore, i do not think mitt romney is concerned. >> that's pretty rough. >> it is pretty rough. this guy, joe, he had a is becoming like joe the plumber of this cycle. i talked to him today. he feels this stuff. he remembers it very well. of course he move order with his life. >> he knew about bain when -- >> he knew about bain. he was there in when he got laid off. he was making $46,000. he had to become a janitor where he was making $15,000. he -- >> lost his health. >> lost his health insurance. he almost lost his house. is on i mean, he has been a pretty good surrogate. have you seen him several -- >> tough. >> i mean, this ad has been actually fact checked in the interim. it looks like there are distortion was in one, too. the wife unfortunately died six years after bain closed the plant. she also had access to other insurance in the interim and tough to charge mitt romney with being tied to her death. if we are going -- >> he doesn't do that. >> well the suggestion -- hold pop suggestion is -- obviously made otherwise they wouldn't put out the ad. i think we have to -- >> what do you think the guy is saying there? what do you think that guy is saying? what do you think he thinks? >> what he thinks is his wife ended up getting thrown off insurance and then they had to scramble for her coverage. that's a legitimate thing to be concerned about. and it is fair to say, yes, mitt romney was more concerned about profit than worker's health care. to throw romney into a conversation where you are talking about this woman's death six years later, i think it is a bridge too far. >> i asked him about that. he didn't necessarily make that link either but that his main point was that he felt like romney cared more about -- didn't make good on promises bain made to secure their pensions and health insurance. that was -- >> let's see one of these case it is it is a pattern lit hurt them a lot. thank you. old idea of breaking eggs, make your only let, this guy's only let, mitt romney's only let. he is the broken egg as his wife is part of that. thank you so much. by the way, not so hard to grab another job these days. when you lose yours. thank you, sam stein. up next, more examples of republicans who want to use tax dollars to ignore science. even history. human living alongside -- square with the bible but not with history. there are no footprints in the bible. 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whole thing? what did you learn? what made do you it? what made you change? >> okay, well, you know, i got into it when i was about 14. i had a pretty rough home life. and it was a -- i was a fearful kid. when this kind of came into my life, here ' -- where people that gave me attention and they talked to me about my home life and the music part came in real quickly because, you know, i can go to so many bible studies to preach hate and go to a couple of meetings here and there but when i -- at all times was something to keep backing up my belief and the music was definitely that part from me. >> what role did race play in -- race part? >> the race -- i mean, race became my religion. at i thought of everyone else was that they were inferior to the white race and that the white race is now being duped and into believing anything by the jewish media. and that the black races and -- they call in the movement mud race, taking everything from us. so it gave me an outlet when i feared something, i got to be the person putting the fear on the world. that's how i felt being part of the movement committing hate crim crimes, you name it. >> and give me a scene where people are playing hate rock and people are enjoying it? what's that like? what's the feeling, sentiment of that room? >> you know, driving in the car with a bunch of skinheads, listening to music about kicking people's heads in, you know, finding people of other races to destroy and you are sitting in a car with a bunch of friends looking for victims. really keeps the drum beating, it is time for action. >> you think music drives bad behavior? racist behavior? physically. >> it -- physically helped us and also the racist music is what keeps the movement young. if it was than for the music that keeps getting people into this, you know, you would have that old image of the klan sitting on the front porch in w the shotgun. music keeps the newcomers involved. it keeps them wanting to be part of this. it keeps them, again, wanting to be -- portray what's going on in the music. the music is -- i mean, i can't -- stress how much the music is to them. >> let's get back to pete. give as you bigger sense, great individual story which we relish having on. brings reality to it. frank is giving us that. tell us what the role you see across the country that this hate rock plays in causing bad behavior and tragedy like we just saw on sunday in wisconsin. >> well, frank mention it is music is central to the movement. the music in some ways to a large extent in his -- is the movement or is a very big part of the movement. and it -- provides opportunities for recruitment and provides opportunities to generate receive knew and probably most importantly, it provides a variety of different occasions for individuals of like mind to come together and who share a common cause and it helps them sustain their beliefs and -- and -- provides them in a sense of reinforcement. the lyrics are laced with ideas of violence and aggression. the dances are aggressive. the tattoos are shown off and reinforced, you know, prominent symbols like swastikas and others. and so everything about the music is -- it provides a great opportunity for these folks to reinforce their mindset. >> you know, prank, when i heard you talking about the appeal of hate rock and joining the skinhead groups, reminded me of all i heard about african-american kids in tough neighborhoods, terrible home situations being drawn by their -- the gang members. they say you can be part of something now. you can feel at home in a way you don't want to be at home. and it just sounds like that. you know what i mean? >> no. absolutely. my -- my crew, of guys, my gang, that's what we were, too, they gave me accolades for my violence. frankie did this or -- those guys in philadelphia did that. we got -- pats on the back. you know. and not to slam my parents and -- my parents weren't the best parents to me and -- they didn't give me those things when i came home. i didn't get home and have my parents, how is school today, son? how are things going in life? it just didn't happen. it is not a son story. just the truth. these guys -- >> you didn't get a peanut butter sandwich and apple when you came home? >> absolutely not. >> no. let me ask you, how are you doing now? i need to know. you are a philly guy from south philly and moved up there. where was the second neighborhood you moved to? the. >> i moved from -- yeah, second street in south pihilly, wood land avenue. pretty much at that time all black and i went to an all black school. you know, how am i doing now? i have to tell you what changed me was people showing me compassion. you know. at every turn. and even with my hateful things, i had a jewish antique dealer, swastika tattooed on my neck who gave me a chance and took a chance on letting me work with him and used to give me accolades when i did smart things. and when i would be -- times in my head or where i would say out loud, i'm so stupid which -- see, i was an egomaniac. low self-esteem. he would say you are one of the smartest guys i know. it was compassion. that's what i have to do today. i have to wake up -- hi to wake up this morning and know i'm going to show compassion to someone. not am i going to get up and fight with the right wing guy or left wing guy or argue with somebody. you know, worry about -- issues of -- i will show compassion to the next person i come in contact with. that's always helping my life change for the better. >> frank, i think everybody watching doesn't hardly know you -- knows you and rooting for you. i wish everybody was so hon. thank you important coming on the show at this time so we can get to understand individuals like you. anyway, pete, you have come a long way and helped us so much and helping us get to something. maybe we will be better off for knowing this. certainly frank is on the right trail and i wish him well. especially because he is a philly guy. up next, sarah palin. we are going from the serious to the insane right now. this conversation about her is getting primetime is great to watch because the whole thing is idiotic. if she deserve ad place on the platform she would have one. this is a dickering back and forth between her and romney. it is fun to watch. wait until you see the other people that may be speaking. i hope they do so we know what they stand for. ♪ hello...rings ♪ what the... what the... what the... ♪ are you seein' this? 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"the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. 91 days before the 2012 election. a new report explains why mitt romney might owe senator harry reid an apology. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> the word is out he hasn't paid any taxes for ten years. >> a shocking new report outlines how mitt romney may have legally dodged taxes. >> let him prove that he has paid taxes because he hasn't. >> david k. johnson will give us the details and eugene robinson is here on the politics. well, seeing as how dick -- excuse me, vice president cheney never misfires -- >> dick cheney never apologized for shooting someone in the face. but sarah palin's got him running scared. >> it wasn't so much governor palin but the process. >> democratic strategist bob shrum will weigh in on the power of palin. >> another day, another lie. from the romney campaign. this time, it's about welfare. msnbc's jonathan alter is here with reaction. governor, what did you buy? >> and mitt romney lets his true colors shine with another out of touch moment. you won't believe what the unemployment millionaire picks up at the hardware store. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. in this election cycle, every day is tax day in the 2012 presidential campaign. even when the conversation isn't about mitt romney's personal tax returns, it's about his tax policies. >> he'd ask the middle class to pay more in taxes so he could give another $250,000 tax cut to people making more than $3 million a year. it's like robin hood in reverse. it's romney-hood. >> the president's latest nickname for his opponent has the right wingers throwing absolute fits. they're trying to defend mitt romney by calling robin hood a tea party member. >> robin hood was stealing from the government. robin hood was a tea party activist. robin hood was anti-t

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