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following the immediate fallout of his debate performance on thursday night and biden advisers are telling cnn that his family is encouraging him to stay in the race and supporting him and expressing that support, including hunter biden and the president's grandchildren. >> these advisers also saying that the conversations have been focused on how the family can help the president and not whether he should reconsider his candidacy. of course, all of this all of these conversations follow what has transpired since thursday night's debate as there has been calls for the president to withdraw from the race, including editorial boards, as well as all corners of the democratic party. now, the president himself has also been collecting data, anecdotally and through public polling as he two tries to assess what folks are feeling across the party and that has been a deep concern. panic has certainly said in donors have been wracked with anxiety over the president's poor performance on thursday night. now the president, of course, did participate in a fundraising blitz over the weekend where he two conceded that thursday night was not his best debate performance, but said that he would continue to fight and that he wanted to stay in the race, but the president and his campaign are certainly allison under great scrutiny tonight. and what we know so far from the huddle that he had with his family, i can't david today is that he has the support of his family there are encouragement, of course, that is no small thing. these are key players in president biden's orbit and have been crucial in a lot of his decision-making when it comes to running for president so thank, you very much for all of that reporting we're joined now by cnn senior data reporter harry anton. he was here to run the numbers. so how do we have new poll numbers for president biden post-debate? >> we do. cbs news, you gov conducted some polling post-debate. we can compare it to the pre-debate numbers and the bottom line owls, it's not any good, it's not any good look at this voters who say that biden has the mental health to be president. it was just 35% pre-debate. look where it's dropped two now, post-debate, 27%. how about not that he should be running for president? it was 37% pre-debate. it's now 28%. i have never seen numbers. this bad for an incumbent president during my lifetime. i mean that mental health to be present at just 27%, you might say, okay, that's low, but a lot of people thought biden was too old back in 2020 these numbers look nothing like this back in 2020, these numbers were bad already. and the truth is owls and de have gotten just considerably worse even in just a few days after that first presidential debate. >> how do we have polling yet that suggests that voters want a different candidate? >> yeah, this is the whole question, right? if it's not present and biden than who could it be on the democratic side. and the truth is, there are no easy answers. i went back and looked at the polling versus donald trump for a bunch of different democrats have been suggested. gretchen whitmer, gavin newsom, kamala harris, look at this they all trail donald trump. so the idea here that we're somehow going to get this magic bullet that there's somehow going to be some democrat who can beat donald trump easily. i just don't see it in the numbers at this particular point. if joe biden takes on donald trump, his trailing, if there's another democrat who runs against donald trump they tour trailing. perhaps you want to make the argument you bring in another democrat who isn't as well known as joe biden, who's universe has universal name recognition. and maybe they could change the numbers. but the fact is any democrat who entered the race, right now, at least among those that are being suggested by a bunch of folks, they would all enter the race at this particular point has an underdog to former president donald trump but harry, are those numbers, old numbers are those since the debate? i mean, maybe they're not changed yet. those are not numbers that have been taken since the debate though i was looking at numbers that were posted by this takes into account an average, a long-term average, right? because the key is, i don't just want to rely upon one pulling number, but even the limited polling data that we have post-debate suggests that none of those candidates on your screen, gretchen whitmer, gavin newsom, or kamala harris. any of those would be favored over donald trump. he leads against all of them. whether you look at the pre-debate numbers or the post-debate numbers. and of course, i like to look at an aggregate numbers. so that's what i did. but the fact is, even if you just did post-debate, it really wouldn't look any different. do you have any precedent for how lopsided thursday's debate was yeah. i mean, if you want to take one solace, if you are joe biden, the fact is first debate winter margins. look donald trump, more people by 30 point 30.34 point margin said that donald trump beat joe biden debate. that's not much different. then what joe biden's margin over was over donald trump four years ago. it's actually larger than the hillary clinton margin that she had over donald trump. but you may remember that first debate back in 2012 were barak obama just did horribly mitt romney won that debate and the voter's minds by 42 points. but of course he didn't become president barack obama was reelected. so i guess if you want to take a look on the one bright note, is there is a history of someone losing the first debate as an incumbent and going on to win the presidency. and that was 12 years ago okay. >> so you're saying that somebody, i mean, you have seen examples of somebody coming from behind basically, and that way after after a poor debate yeah that is true. but here's the thing that i would note, which is that joe biden was trailing going into the first debate. okay barack obama was leading. so i want to limit it down for you. incumbents who are trailing going into the first debate and then lost that first debate. well, how about jimmy carter lost that one debate he took on ronald reagan and at george hw bush lost that first debate to both ross perot, am bill clinton, and in 2020, donald trump lost that first debate to joe biden. well, guess what else? and they all lost. they all lost. so the question is for joe biden, can he defy history creating new history and being incumbent to trail going into that first debate and then one, while he's going to have to do it if he wants to get reelected in november her anton. >> thank you very much for sharing all of these new numbers with us. jeremy now is democratic congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan, congresswoman, always great to see you. thank you for making time for us. let's tonight. you've known president biden and his family for a long time what do you think he's wrestling with tonight? do you think he is wrestling with this decision? >> for far. i have not talked to anybody in the family since the debate on thursday night. we look i said on friday morning, we can't sugar coat this thursday night was not a good night. and we know what he's gotta do. he has to go out with food to the american people that he can still nacs, that he can let me he has done a great job as president and we have to four years of trump compared to four years of your biden he got to go out there and show people. it was a bad night that he is capable of doing the job. he can't make mistakes and i think he gets that. i think the stanley is a very close family. they're talking to each other. and i think a whole lot of people are bringing their hand to adding to the drama. i know one thing i know going to happen if we have another four years of donald trump. and i am working to remind everybody of how much he doubled down on thursday night, about a woman's right to make her own health care decisions, how january 6 was okay. making front of veterans, not saying he'll protect seniors and social security, that he will protect his billionaire friend i've been up into probably 30 events since i left washington on friday. and while all i'm like, what did washington my colleagues, everybody else is talking are really in there and leaves are not back here. people are talking about here at home some people are saying it was bad debate. i had one african american male who was not leaning towards joe biden said to me, after listening to donald trump thursday night, i think i know more or why i should vote for joe biden. it's a long time between now and november and every one of us has a job to do to remind people what will happen if we have second trump presidency? well i'm in a couple of things the unfortunate for democrats, the president's poor performance eclipsed some of these substance or the answers of what donald trump gave. and so obviously the president is having two democrats are having to fight that wave. also, there's basically it's not just pundits. it's also voters because we do have new polling out and you just heard from harry and ten. so there's this new cvs poll out today. it shows that 72% of the voters polled do not think that joe biden should be running. again, that's up 9% from a poll. in fifth it'd be wary. so what does that make you think congresswoman determine, you know, what else? yeah, it reminds me of a 215 to 16 nobody thought hillary clinton could win. and i kept telling people, i have a gun. i have an i kept, you know, how many people i've told donald trump could win this election and he would win the election the detroit three press had headlines declaring hillary clinton the winter that night so these are polls were all thrown numbers just the way they, those who prepped joe biden probably gave him to 90 numbers for thursday night. it's a long way between now and november a lot of things can happen. we know that the president has to show people it was a bad night. he's up to the job. he had called i mean, that's what we're being told. he has to show people that that's the case. but these numbers also are a mumble simple to me because he ellip all that matters is that on election day and we have a lot of work to do thursday night, wasn't good. we got hard road ahead but are you comfortable with him staying in the race i'm going to he's in the race right now. i got a choice between donald trump and president biden and to meet that is a clear choice. and i'm scared to death about what happened to our democracy. what will happen to the country that i love, what will happen to women who should be able to make their only house for their own health care decisions who will fight for working men and women that to me is what november is about. i'm dealing with the reality of where i'm at in it's clear decision for me your colleague, congressman jamie raskin said earlier today that very serious conversations are happening among democrats, very serious candid conversations about what the next step should be. are you hearing those also because there is a third way. i mean, i know that you're setting up as a binary choice. and today it is doing president biden and donald trump, but there there is a third possibility, and that is, that president biden decides to hand over his delegates and that he's not going to seek a second term. and that different somebody from the democratic bench is chosen look there are a lot of discussions going on. you and i know that we can't say that people were rattled by 30 night, and i think president biden's got to go out. i think the biggest group of people he's got to convince right now or his donors and the people that work in the house of representatives and the senate and that are on the ballot but the way this is set up, he, i mean, this is decision he's making with this family. you all are reporting that he's talking to his family they know what they're seeing, they know whether he's up to the bap in this is about his legacy. and to me, i have one thing that i'm going to work on right now. and they had to use making sure that we don't have another four years of the presidency. the proceeded joe biden, he's done a good job as president we have to all this drama playing out in public, isn't helping anybody, but i also am going to be really clear with you those numbers that is to me, i've seen so many polls real. there are so many polls that try to impact where people are feeling people need he had a bad night. the precedents that live with the consequences of that cast to show people. he's up to doing what he did during the past four years and by the way, he's done a good job as president and he brought this country together. he didn't pick go against each other. he's fought for a lot of things and i don't want another supreme court that's going to do some of the rhythmic things that they've done. that's where we are and people are talking to each other they're hearing it, the administration's not stupid. you're in the cause and the people around him have to make sure that he can show people he is ok. he is up to this job. that's where we are right now calmer. >> seven. debbie dingell, always great to get your perspective. thanks so much for making time thank you. still ahead tomorrow. we expect to finally, here are the supreme court's critical ruling on donald trump's plan, but he's immune from criminal charges charges that he faces for trying to overturn the election that he lost to joe biden in 2020 during the cnn newsroom final episode of violence, there are deadly violence and unleash massive structure, hurricane impacts are worsening, is it too late to undo decades of climate change? violet gerd with we have schreiber tonight did nine on cnn the edge and rash of moderate to severe eczema disrupts my skin night and day despite treatment, it's still not under control. but now i have revoke, a once-daily pill that reduces the edge and helps clear the rash 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consequences for the powers of all president joining me now is cnn legal analyst, steve vladeck. he's a professor at the university of texas school of law. okay. steve, what do you expect to happen tomorrow alicent. if i, if i felt competent about it, i wouldn't be a law professor we're going get the decision from the court tomorrow. we know tomorrow's the last day of opinions. i guess the best thing i can say is it's probably being written by chief justice john roberts it's probably going to allow at least some aspect of the january 6 prosecution against foreign president trump to go forward beyond that, i think that's the real question and that's why i think it's taken the justices, the better part of two months to get from the oral argument in april to tomorrow's decision de so i mean, in layman's terms, is it possible that there'll be some sort of not split decision, but well, i guess maybe that is the right answer. i mean, that is the right word that they'll say that some of his actions on january 6 were are immune are covered by immunity and some aren't yeah. i mean, i think that's right, alice and i think the best way to think about it is the court's really being asked to decide two questions. the first question is, are there any circumstances in which a former president can claim categorical immunity from criminal prosecution. of course, if the answer is no, then there's nothing else to but the way the oral argument went in april certainly sounded life. there was a majority of justices who thought there were at least some contexts in which former president shouldn't be liable to criminal prosecution. so that gets us house into the second question, which is what are those contexts? and if the court is going to to articulate a line, the court's going to say the test is x. are they going to then apply it to the four different charges that special counsel jack smith has leveled against trump in the jerry's six indictment. one of the most telling exchanges at the oral argument back in april was when justice amy coney barrett got trump's lawyer to concede that least three of the four charges probably don't implicate official acts. they were all private acts by candidate trump is the court going to seize on that? so i'm looking for how the core tackles both of those those questions. is there any immunity? and if so, does it? supply to any of the charges against trump. and if there's any immunity can that carry over for other cases that down trump's involved in such as the classified documents case you know i'm sure he will argue and i'm sure his lawyers will argue it realistically. >> the answer ought to be no, certainly not. the new york state case because that has nothing to do with accident. well, president and even the florida case, allison involves for the most part, acts president trump took after leaving law this no one seriously argues that former presidents are immune from stuff they do when they're no longer president. so really this is about the january 6 prosecution. first and foremost and i think one of the other things we'll be looking for tomorrow is, does the court's decision open up the possibility that the trial how can continue the trial can actually happen before election day the presiding judge in dc, judge tanya chutkan, has suggested she's going to need probably eight to ten weeks from whatever the supreme court's decision comes down to getting ready for trial. is that going to be longer if there's actually now a new test that she has to apply in the first instance to each of the charges in the indictment. so there's really a lot of different things swimming around this massively important decision that we expect sometime after 10:00 eastern tomorrow. >> all right. well, stay close to your phone. we need you on speed dial. steve vladeck. thank you very much. we have a quick programming note. stay with cnn tomorrow morning for complete coverage of this very important supreme court decision. still 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call now and we'll come to you 808 to 14000 we do have some new reporting tonight. president biden and his family, as you know, are huddled at camp david and they are reportedly urging him to stay in the race and fight on. a longtime adviser to the president tells cnn, the only way biden would even consider stepping aside is if he's prison xander with serious data showing he would not only likely lose his reelection bid, but also endanger house, senate and competitive local races across the country. joining me now is the winning democratic candidate for new york's first district. and john avlon, he is also of course, a former cnn senior political analyst john, always great to see you congrats on your recent win. and we will get to that in just a moment. but first, the biggest question of the moment after thursday's debate performance by president biden, should he bow out of the race? >> look, i think panic is not a useful motion but i don't think denial is either the truth is president biden had a bad debate, but he's also got a great record. and i think this kind of deliberation that's going on is actually healthy. it's a sign of a healthy debate within lp political party as opposed to doing whatever falling into line no matter what the dear leader says or does and i think there's a strong record to run on, but at the end of the de i really believe that this was never going to be a top-down election. it's always going to be bottom up. i wasn't going to be about the top of the ticket. it was going to be about building a broad patriotic coalition to defend democracy and i think that's still the case. hundred percent okay. >> i mean, other voters i think are struggling with what they saw on thursday night. we just have new poll numbers. this is the cbs poll. i'm sure you've seen it. it suggests now that a majority of voters do not think the president biden should run for a second term. so are you worried about having president biden at the top of the ticket and that it will affect down-ballot democrats, like say, you i'm not worried because i think that's, that's all things that are being decided at a different level. and that's the i don't believe in worrying about things that are out of your control. i really do think that this is going to be about folks gathering together and forming a broad coalition. and i think that's going to happen regardless of what happens at the top of the ticket. but, but president biden has got a great record to run on and i think that's getting a little bit lost. people shouldn't be asked to deny what they saw. they should be asked to put it into context in the total record. that's been put forward. and i think that's important. i think whatever happens, democrats are gonna be united, but it's more important that they're reaching out also in winning over independence and even some republicans for all the talk about president biden's performance, there hasn't been nearly enough attention, i think on the over 30 lives donald trump's told on the stakes of the race, on the stakes the race not only about democracy, but trump's record on abortion rights and encroachments into basic reproductive freedom on the affordability crisis, on the fact that he's praising dictators or around the world, these things have real-world implications. i think it's about more than styles about substance at the end of the day i mean, it's also about winning and i think that democrats are wondering eight. yeah, you said that he's been a great president. he has a great record and i think the democrats feel that way, but it's now a question of whether or not he can in beat donald trump. and so that's basically what we heard from our reporting tonight, is that president biden's at camp david and if you were presented with new data, as we just reported, that he was going to hurt the senate or the house, or that he wouldn't be able to beat donald trump than he would reconsider there's new polling that is suggesting that i think you should take all the data into account. but at the end of the day, i think it's his decision to make. he is the present united states. cnn had on the presidential historian who does predictions based on actual data and believes strongly that president biden is likely the strongest. you don't want to over-index a single moment, but you need to take all the data in and that's a reasonable thing to do. but you need to view it in the total package of his accomplishments, his achievements, and the power of incumbency but he should take all the data the stakes we've said all said from the beginning of the stakes, this race are incredibly high. the end of the day, it's bigger than any one person that's why there needs to be a focus on this broad coalition that's being built that hopefully will stay united because the alternative is so dire for our democracy, for global politics, for reproductive freedoms, for our economy just for our ability to reunite as a nation those are the real stakes that people are talking about when i talk to yeah, let's talk about that, john, let's talk about your own personal experience this week. >> you just one your primary race, your district won by a margin of 70 to just about 30% obviously, i'd improve super impressive margin. are there the takeaways from that, that other democrats should learn from but i actually think what it showed is the enthusiasm, the incitement around our campaign our volunteers obviously are voters that's i think something that's been in short supply in our politics. >> i'm incredibly proud that we ran a positive campaign. and what i'm proud of is that the positive defeated the negative that we showed that the politics of addition two beats the politics of division. and that's what's gonna need to be the case in the general election. but you can't buy that kind of enthusiasm. and i think in a time when politics but news feels so dire, everything's feels very negative. i think when people feel hope enthusiasm, that energizes and that's ultimately what we need to do to rekindle hope and faith in our democracy. and we got one country and it's abh ghting for really humbled by those results but now we take the fight to the fall. let's go john avlon, always great to see you. >> we'll talk again soon we sure will, ally. >> thank you. >> thanks so much still ahead. france's far-right party celebrating a dramatic lead over president macron in the first round of parliamentary elections. what's next? what it means for the u.s. >> the crown will just use victory any cost i did not think they would be so eager to die house of the dragon streaming exclusively on macs did you know that if you shave one-third of what you remove is skin new dove helps repair it so if you shave it debit new dev replenish your skin after every shave. >> sometimes it takes a different approach to imagine your future differently this capella universities aim changing flux format, set your own deadlines, and access coursework anytime 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story is not about sharks attacking, but being under attack themselves according to scientists, about 100 million sharks are killed every year around the world. >> cnn anchor boris sanchez takes us on a deep dive to look at the conflict between fishermen and conservationists when we feel like we're in a safe position, we're going to dive down in swing with these animals so i'm going to be taking pictures of you with the tiger sharks and the background make sure you're looking all around above, below all the sides. because these sharks can come from different angles the amount of energy that is spent getting down they're getting close to the shark, keeping up with it, and also keeping your head on a swivel because there were several moments where you're focused on one and a couple of them are behind you or in your peripheral. >> so it requires a lot of energy to not only be close to the shark and moving with it, but also to be alert it's almost the same every time for me. it's that slipping beneath the water? the world suddenly becomes more silent all the things in my mind are pushed to the periphery and i'm focused one 1,000% on these sharp it is the most present that i will ever be and boris sanchez joins us live now for us, very cool assignment, but i don't understand you have to keep her head on a swivel. >> what if there is a sharp behind you? what are you supposed to do? >> it's so fascinating, allison. so sharks, the majority of them are ambush predators, meaning that they have to catch you off guard. so something as simple as eye contact will award them off. now, obviously that doesn't work all the time. but in the circumstance that we were in the sharks were very curious. tiger sharks is especially they're not known to be shy. usually they weigh up to 2000 pounds. they can get up to 18 feet long. and being that curious and that big yeah, it was important to keep our heads on a swivel like gosh, did you have any experience before this assignment of diving with sharks? >> yeah absolutely. this is a personal passion of mine. it's the way that i tried to connect with mother nature and it's sort of a an experience with a sublime, these animals are dinosaurs. they've been on this earth longer than there have been rings around saturn. they are ancient and as i said, massive and they have the deepest blackest eyes. and when one of them gets up close to you, there's a moment of recognition you're looking at it. it's looking at you, it's sort of sizes you up. and then it moves along. and it seems like it doesn't really care that you're there and it's sharing the ocean with you. and for me, as my friend, jason washington said it's a meditative experience. there's a deep presence, so it's something that i've been doing for a long time and i'm really fortunate that i got this chance to talk about the plight that sharks are facing. and also the issue, the issue that some fishermen are facing when it comes to having to compete with sharks in order to make a living? >> yeah, i can't wait to see the whole thing, but i mean, you describe it as meditative, as though it's super real of relaxing experience. are you ever scared when you're in the water with them? >> i wouldn't say i've ever been scared, but it's certainly a process of acclimation. it's almost like exposure therapy and it's meditative because as these things around you, your inclination is to be scared for your heart rate to go up. you get anxious, but you have to sort of control your breathing and troll what your body's doing. so it sort of teaches you specifically when you're free diving with sharks to be really calm under pressure and especially knowing that if you show any fear, these animals might have interest in your supposed to control any, any sign of panic that's an additional incentive to really enjoy the experience and take it in as it's happening. >> i liked the idea of doing it in a cage. but the free diving south is that an option? i mean, the free diving seems a lot more stressful it is it is for certain sharks, certainly for great white sharks, you do not want to be outside of a cage with one of those animals because if they sneeze, something really bad can happen. fortunately, here we were under the watchful eye of some of the most experienced shark folks in the world. so we were fortunate to do it for sanchez can't wait to watch it. thanks so much for coming onto promo it for gelatin the all new