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egg freezing is absolutely not a fertility insurance policy. it offers that hope but it doesn't offer that guarantee. ..and we reveal concerns that some clinics aren't being fully transparent about the chances of success. i did feel at times like a patient. and then, at other times, you do feel like a bit like a customer. but sometimes, it's a success. oh, my god, this actually worked — i'm going to have a baby! and i'm doing this by myself. over the past four months, i've kind of been here, there and everywhere, really. stayed in all sorts of places — like, shared beds with my friends, spare rooms, hotels, even my friend evie, her daughter gigi's bed at one point. and i'm pretty sure that i'm bigger than the bed but, you know, you make it work. i was in a long—term relationship. i was in that relationship for seven years. and i was actually engaged as well, so i was supposed to be getting married in a few months' time. but, basically, yeah, to cut a long story short, as stable as that relationship seemed, this summer, things changed and i had to make the decision to leave that relationship. being 37, i then had to decide pretty quickly whether i wanted to consider egg freezing or not and, to be fair, i don't have to pay for a wedding now, so... laughs ..had some extra cash! i'm going to go in for my egg retrieval in a few days' time. i'm looking forward to seeing the results. equally, i am looking forward to it being over. diet, lifestyle, everything — i've been really quite committed to it and it would be nice to take that pressure off. and ro is farfrom alone. we've also followed people who've put their eggs on ice for medical reasons and those who are part of a growing trend of so—called social egg freezing, who want to improve their chances of having a biological baby later on. i think i was getting overwhelmed with thoughts of, "oh, my god, am i ever going to have a child?" it's notjust my own head — it's everyone around you. i froze my eggs because i had cancer treatment and the chances were just very slim for me to naturally have a baby. it's a bloated day, and it's, like, rock hard. i've got something called endometriosis. i've had four surgeries so far on my ovaries and so, i knew that fertility might be an issue, just because of the surgeries. but also, with endometriosis, you do have the unfortunate circumstance that you might be infertile, too. i'm not in a relationship. i don't want to have kids right now. the only real thing for me to do is to freeze my eggs. i knew about the egg freezing process but i did not know- that it's accessible to trans people. i it meant the ability - to have a biological family. but what is it? let's start with the basics. there are lots of reasons people might find it difficult to have a baby, but one factor might be the eggs. a woman is born with all the eggs she'll ever have. the chances of conceiving naturally fall as we get older because the quality and number of eggs decline. for some, this happens because of medical reasons. the theory of egg freezing — freeze them at a younger or more fertile point and they could be used further down the line. there's been a revolution in technology, in egg freezing. the first baby born from a frozen egg was born in 1986, but that was from a process which wasn't very successful. in 2005, a new technology was developed, vitrification — fast freezing of eggs. dr catherine hill is from one of the uk's largest fertility charities. in the fertility sector, unlike many other areas of health, patients become consumers because, whether it's for ivf or for egg freezing, the majority of patients have to pay for their own healthcare. chances are you might have seen posts like this on your social feeds, promoting the treatment. the fertility sector is a multimillion—pound industry and egg freezing in particular is booming. in a decade, the number of egg—freezing treatments in the uk, known as cycles, have gone up from a few hundred to over 4,000, and it's still growing. not all women should freeze their eggs or need to freeze their eggs. most women will be able to have children without egg freezing or without ivf. but one in six people do struggle with infertility and egg freezing can help. but it's a physical and emotional price more and more are willing to pay, partly spurred on by celebrities speaking about it. 0bviously, i've started the process there. hmm. you can start to see all my little tum—tum. one of those is reality tv star and presenter vicky pattison, who shared her egg freezing experiences with her millions of followers in 2023. oh, i had a bit ofa cry. i wanted to use my platform for good and i want women to take control of their own timeline, you know? when i froze my eggs, it was the first time in my whole adult life i've relaxed. vicky says the treatment wasn't a promotion and that she paid for it herself. this process, freezing your eggs, is stilljust available to a very privileged and specific section of britain, you know? i do think that needs to change. most people freezing their eggs do it privately. 0ne cycle of egg freezing costs around £4,000 but this will be more depending on the clinic, the amount of hormones and scans needed, and doesn't include annual storage fees or future fertility treatments like ivf. the more eggs collected, the better chances of having a baby, so multiple cycles may be recommended. laughs my name's vicki and i've done two rounds of egg freezing — one at 3a and one at 35. laughs massive close—up! i was married. i was with someone from the age of 17 to 29, but itjust didn't work out. and then, covid hit and i'd always talked about freezing my eggs — it was always something that was on my radar. like all people freezing their eggs, vicki had her fertility tested. her levels were lower than average for her age. when i went in, i was really positive. i was like, "i'll do one round, get all my eggs, done, "in the freezer. "relax." 0bviously, when i went in, you know, they said, "we're looking. "we probably will get this amount of eggs, "so you'll probably have to do two to three rounds." vicki got a second job to help fund the treatment. so far, i've spent about eight grand? seven — between seven and eight grand. it's ridiculous. i just... i can't afford it. like, i genuinely can't afford it, but i see it as an investment in my future. but how does egg freezing actually work? in an average menstrual cycle, one mature egg is released each month. in an egg—freezing cycle, hormones are injected to stimulate egg follicles, so multiple eggs grow and can be collected. there can be side—effects, like bloating, and in rare cases, too many eggs develop in the ovaries, leading to ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome which, if severe, can be dangerous. when ready, eggs are taken out in an operation. 0nly mature eggs with the potential to become embryos that could withstand the freezing, thawing and fertilisation are frozen. every month, one egg will be the one that's chosen at random to grow and the others just get discarded. whereas, in an egg freezing protocol, we are just looking to recruit and save those follicles destined just to be discarded for no good reason and grow them all, so it does not reduce your reserve any quicker than you would normally naturally do and it's not a reason why you'd go into an early menopause. many people on a fertility journey often say that they rattle for the amount of supplements that they take, and i think this is also true of me. with just days to go until ro�*s egg collection, she's doing all she can to prepare her body. i'm on a couple of injections at the moment, one of which which is basically stimulating the follicles to grow and stimulating many follicles to grow. and then, this one is a slightly scarier dart—like injection that's kind of preventing the follicles and the eggs from ovulating, so it's kind of like a fine balance between the two. i've got oil... whoa! health and safety! for some, egg freezing for medical reasons can be done forfree on the nhs... no, i'm a bit scared of eggs. ugh! ..but access varies across the uk. tegan clarke was 18 when she was diagnosed with cancer, and quickly started treatment. you don't eat sweetcorn? yeah, cos itjust goes straight through you. what's the point in eating it? when i signed my waiver form, they kind of brush over it and say, "oh, you might not be able to have kids". and i was very much in my career—driven phase, where i wanted to go to uni, i wanted to be a boss. i didn't think about it. my mum walked out crying, and i was like, "she's being dramatic. " so if you close your eyes now... - after she completed her cancer treatment, tegan had two rounds of egg freezing. as much as i'm 23, my fertility is, like, 33, so they can class me as medically infertile because i'm not where i should be for my age. it's not something you want to put in your tinder profile — not that i'm on tinder anyway. it does kind of hurt sometimes — like, i'm going to get teary now. like, watching my sister—in—law have a baby, like, my best friend's sister have a baby, it was like, sometimes you look and you think, "that might not be me." a positive mindset is everything, and it is bad — just look at the things that you've been through. listen, i got through cancer. if i can't have a child, then i don't have to deal with pooey nappies and sick, like... there is a bit of sunshine in all that rain. my name is taylor. i'm soon to be 40 years old. i was born in— transylvania, romania. i know some people think that transylvania is fictive, - but it's not —| it does exist. when i was growing up, i realised that i don't i actually feel like a girl, so i felt like a boy. - growing up in romania . and having this stereotype image of a traditional family, it's kind of like imprinted - in your mind that, "this is what i have to do". i but that all changed when taylor moved to the uk. he transitioned at the age of 34. i always tell people it's never too late. i hi! so, today, we are going to talk about egg freezing and how- to go about freezing your eggs through the nhs. . when i first find out - that they do try to help trans people having their own - biological family, i was very happy and i wanted to sort of get it out of the way — l meaning to secure my eggs, to know that they're frozen, | and to know that i'll be able to have biological kids, - which is something . that i always wanted. the beauty of technology is for everyone, - it's notjust for a particular group of people to access. if it's there, it should be available to everyone. . it's 7:30 in the morning and the day of ro�*s procedure. it kind of feels like the end of one chapter and just about to be the beginning of another. going into the operating theatre, that's when it gets really real. so, i think when people think about egg freezing, you don't necessarily have this picture in mind of it's like a proper operating theatre. while rois under sedation, eggs are taken out one at a time using a needle that's passed through the vagina and into each ovary follicle. fluid is collected. the embryologist then painstakingly examines the fluid to see if there's an egg present. there's some cells surrounding this egg, but the egg is the darkest bit. the egg is then checked to see if it's mature. ro now goes into recovery, where she'll be told how many eggs were collected. but what are the chances those frozen eggs will result ina baby? it's very hard to give one average figure for the success of egg freezing because egg freezing depends on so many factors. first and foremost, it depends on the age of the woman who is freezing her eggs. it also depends on her medical history as well. few patients in the uk have come back to use their eggs yet. for those that do, the success rates are slightly lower than ivf with fresh eggs, which is around 20 to 30% per round, depending on their age, but could be as low as 5% for people over 40. fertility experts say chances are better for people aged 35 and under, which is the cut—off point that eggs can be donated. if we can get 15—20 mature eggs banked in storage for this woman, then that gives us a really good chance. dr sharleen hapuarachi is a consultant at bourn hall, the oldest ivf clinic in the world. it's one of the 78 clinics that advertise private egg freezing. the benefits of egg freezing are really for women to come through and have it as an insurance policy or a back—up plan. but other fertility experts that we've spoken to are critical of this type of language, arguing egg freezing should never be described as an insurance policy or safety net because it suggests there's a guarantee it'll work. i can understand the trepidation, i think, because it's not a fail—safe, it's not an absolute guarantee — which i'm sure some people are selling it as. by no means would i ever want to suggest someone who's thinking about pregnancy to delay pregnancy any further because we all know the earlier you become pregnant — you know, in the 20s, early 30s — is the safest way to do it. i'm natalie thomas and i've done two rounds of egg freezing when i was 39. my immediate family — like my mum, my dad and my brother — it'sjust quite small and so, when my dad passed away, to me, it was important that we grew our family a little bit. as a science teacher, i understand statistics and i work with data a lot and i actually found this very difficult to navigate, trying to find the information in the first place but then, also trying to understand it. i feel it was a journey that i felt very alone on and that i was the one that was driving it. natalie was offered three rounds for the price of two but turned it down because she hoped she would only have to do it once. to be woken up and to be told they collected seven and seven were mature, i was quite dispirited by that. however, it's tricky because i know that there are women out there that don't even collect seven. 20 minutes after the operation, ro is recovering from the sedation. it's very difficult to not become fixated on the numbers. it will be what it will be. so, this is hot off the press. oh, wow. this is a photograph of all your eggs. we've just spoken to javier, head of embryology. - yeah. and all 13 are mature. 0k? which is really wonderful. yeah, i'm really happy with that. i'm really happy too. yeah. the whole process, it is quite intense — especially if you consider the months of prep — and it takes, you know, emotional energy as well to do it. so, for me, personally, i don't think that i will probably do another round. i think i willjust leave it as it is with the one round. the growing fertility sector has changed lives but there are concerns about the tactics some clinics use and how transparent they are about costs and success rates. increasingly, we have women coming to us saying, "i'm thinking about egg freezing, but i don't know "what to do. "is it for me? "where can i get the information that i need?" so, they're not feeling like they are getting the information from clinics. what they should be getting is individualised information on their chances of success and if a clinic isn't providing that, there is then the potential of exploiting women, rather than empowering them. during the treatment, when you're actually having the eggs collected or you're having your scans, then you definitely feel like a patient. but when you're sat there in the office and they're going through all their packages, like, you definitely feel like a customer. research we carried out found that 41% of clinics' websites that promote private egg freezing in the uk could be breaching advertising guidance. examples include highlighting success rates, showing percentages in the high 90s — but these numbers only cover defrosting the eggs. what isn't always clear is that the chances of having a baby is much lower. we also found statistics were being used without saying where they're from. i feel very angry for patients because they are being misled by this level of information. to invest in egg freezing, a massive financial investment — what a key decision in your life. the sector is regulated by the human embryology and fertilisation authority. freezing eggs for medical reasons is very different to freezing for social reasons. we are concerned about the information women are getting when they're considering this process. it's a medical procedure. there are risks. there is not a lot of data about success rates and, actually, this is not guaranteed. a representative for the sector told us that: the clinics filmed in this documentary didn't breach the guidance, and ro says she always felt fully informed. for many, freezing their eggs is just the start of the process. natalie is one of the small number of women who have come back to use their frozen eggs. she ended up moving the eggs to a different clinic that had higher ivf success rates. i decided, in the end, to thaw 16 of the 28 eggs and, of the 16, i2 survived the thaw and then, of the 12, six actually fertilised, so i ended up with six embryos and two were finally implanted. it felt really special. you know, you're carrying round precious cargo. you're told to wait until two weeks before you can take a pregnancy test, and that's really hard to do. so, i think i caved about day seven and i took a test and there was this very faint line. i just got really excited. and i remember testing every day from day seven onwards, and itjust got stronger and stronger and stronger. hiya! hello, sweetie! there's a lot of emotions. like, one, you're so excited, but then, there's this scary kind of, "oh, my god — this actually worked. "i'm going to have a baby and i'm doing this by myself!" mama! is it mama? natalie had the support of her mum throughout, who she now lives with. she ended up spending over £18,000 in total but, for her, it was a worthwhile cost. holding huxley for the first time, you're in awe that this baby has come from a frozen egg, frozen sperm, that you froze back when you were 39 years old. you're 42 now. science is fantastic. it's wonderful, really, that we can do this now. women my age — single, solo mother by choice — you can make this decision, make this choice and have a baby. vicky and herfiance ercan are due to get married later this year. with three eggs and three embryos on ice, for now, they're happy with theirfamily as it is. so, for anyone who doesn't know, embryos are tiny little me and ercans. they're already in the freezer. and then, i have three just me — three just eggs as well. and the success rate is higherfor embryos. if a patient decides they no longer need them, they can be destroyed or, in some cases, donated. touch wood, you and ercan naturally conceive. would you donate them? my eggs, i will donate. i've had... oh, god — i'm going to cry again. i've got some friends who've really struggled to have kids — really struggled — and i've seen what it does to women. i've seen what it does to relationships. it's heartbreaking, soul—destroying. if we aren't using them, i would like to see them go to a good home. in spring 2024, natalie�*s egg—freezing journey is at an end and huxley is about to turn one. for vicki, taylor, ro and tegan, they have their eggs in storage but will they use them? oh, god! do i say about this guy? well, if i'm not with him, you'd have to edit it out — i mean, i know you can't include that! for vicki, she doesn't know if she'll need her eggs but is glad she did it. what i've gone through is because i've got such a strong desire to have a child and if i didn't have that, then i would have saved loads of money, i wouldn't be in debt, i'd bejetting off around the world, probably. but then, the panic would be overwhelming. taylor did one round and has eight frozen eggs. he's hoping to have ivf this year using them. his partner chloe would carry the baby. my experience with egg freezing, it was kind of like a roller—coaster. so, emotionally and physically, it was up and down, but i got what i wanted from it. me and my partner, we both completely understand the success rate but that doesn't stop us from being positive. eggs and embryos can be stored for up to 55 years and, for tegan, she's not in any rush. that does not mean that i'm going to be having a child in 55 years, cos my knees hurt already! and as much as i'm medically infertile, i could actually still have a baby naturally, so the eggs in the freezer might even not be needed. when i was walking down the street with my suitcase earlierand then, like, a song came on, it's like, # we're coming home, baby, now... i was, like, "oh!" we've come to see ro one last time in her new home. it may be for me that i've kind of like got blinkers on and i'm just focusing on the future that's ahead of me, and that's just the way that i'm dealing with this. egg freezing was kind of the start of my new chapter because, for me, right now, i'm not going to be thinking really about having kids. i'm kind of putting that to the back of my mind now. and now, i've moved into my new place, i can start living life properly again now. and what are you doing tonight? going on a date. laughs going on a date. hello there. it was a very unsettled day on monday, very windy for many of us with widespread gales and a whole mixture of weather conditions. tuesday looks a little bit quieter. it'll still be quite blustery. there'll be sunshine, a few showers around, but it'll stay on the cool side for the time of year. in this cooler air mass, which was introduced across the uk by monday's area of low pressure, will be sitting to the east of the country for tuesday. so it's here where we'll see most of the showers, the strongest of the winds, the further west you are, closer to this area of high pressure, then it'll be a little bit quieter. so we start off on a chilly note for tuesday morning. quite a bit of sunshine around. a few showers from the word go across northern and eastern areas, and these showers will affect northern scotland, wintriness on the hills. into the afternoon, some heavier showers, perhaps some hail and thunder affecting the midlands into southeast england. and a fairly breezy day to come, not as windy as monday — those are mean wind speeds. temperature wise, probably a little bit better than monday, up to 13 celsius in the south. so with some light winds, some sunshine, it won't feel too bad, but cooler along north sea coasts, single digits there. tuesday night, we continue to see clear spells, further bands of showers, especially across northern scotland, where it'll turn quite windy again and stay cool as well with some snow on the hills there. touch of frost in some sheltered glens, otherwise, it's quite a chilly night, i think, to start wednesday morning. so wednesday itself, we'll have some showers draped across eastern areas. these weather fronts may bring some cloud and rain to the far west of the country. and once again, we're in a slightly cooler air mass. wednesday, could be a little bit cooler than tuesday. so we start off on a chilly note, plenty of sunshine around. there will be showers again across northern and eastern scotland, eastern england, more cloud here. and these weather fronts could bring cloud outbreaks of rain to northern ireland. abitofa? to how far eastwards it moves, but it could affect parts of wales and south—west england through the afternoon, the best and the brightest through the spine of the country. temperatures range of nine to 11 or 12 celsius, so a bit below average. thursday into friday, we see a spell of wet, windy weather across the north of the uk, something drier in the south. and then this area of high pressure wants to build in in time for the weekend. so that will bring a very much needed quieter, drier spell of weather as we push towards the end of the week. and with a bit more sunshine around, light winds, it'll feel a bit warmer as well. live from washington, this is bbc news. donald trump's historic hush money criminal trial gets under way in new york, with nojurors selected on day one. police in australia declare a stabbing at a church in sydney a terrorist incident, and arrest a 15—year—old boy. and as israel considers retaliation against iran after this weekend's attack, world leaders urge restraint. i'm helena humphrey. glad you could join me. monday marked the first day of an historic trial against donald trump. arriving at court in new york, mr trump became the first us president — current or former — to face criminal charges. donald trump has been charged with falsifying business records to cover up a hush money payment he made to adult film actress, stormy daniels, a month before the 2016 presidential election. he made the payment to keep ms daniels from publicly discussing an alleged affair the two had in the 20005. mr trump denies falsifying records and denies any relationship with ms daniels. but today in court, 60 of 96 potentialjurors said they could not be impartial in a case involving the former president.

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