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key piece of the trumpian republican strategy is to stoke the same lies they pushed in 2020. you would think that after charges were brought against a former president at the federal level and against many of his acolytes in five different states, that they might try a different approach. maybe cut it out. instead, four years later the same old dog is relying on the same old tricks. this time the language is getting darker. listen to how trump talked about the election over the weekend. >> the radical left democrats rigged the presidential election in 2020 and we will not allow them to rake the presidential election in 2024. listen, we don't need votes. we have more votes than anybody has ever had. we need to watch the vote. we need to guard the vote and stop the steal. >> don't worry about voting. just worry about guarding the vote. stopping the steal, his favorite phrase. is daughter-in-law/rnc cochair seemed to go even further. >> we are sending a loud and clear message to anyone who thinks about cheating in an election, if you cheat in an election, we will find you and we will prosecute you to the full extent of the law. >> we will find you. we will track you down. that's not intimidating at all. if it is not clear, there goal is to scare people to prevent people from voting and to spread the falsehood that people are cheating. it mirrors their strategy four years ago when he sowed the seeds of adot and defraud the american people and disenfranchise the majority of voters. as you know, there was no evidence of cheating. there was no steel to be stopped and the only major prosecution said did come out of the 2020 election were trump and his allies who illegally try to overturn the results. now, trump's allies are using a darker version of that very same playbook. here is soon to be incarcerated steve bannon. >> if they steal this election and they fully intend to steal it, this republic ends. are you prepared to fight? are you prepared to give it all? are you prepared to leave it on the battlefield? it is very simple. victory or death. >> are you prepared to fight? it is victory or death. now, for anyone who thinks steve bannon is some crazy old craig shouting into the wind, i would like to point out that trump literally called him, that same guy, on the phone in the middle of a podcast today and he's a predictor of what's going on in trump's mind. before the 2020 election, steve bannon said the trump would say the election was stolen which he did. it's the same story unfolding again. guard the vote. stop the steal. we are coming after you. are you prepared to fight? that's been the message from trump at rallies and fundraisers and conservative media constantly. they are priming the supporters to reject any reality where trump does not win. what makes it more concerning is trump is signaling that if you do something illegal to help me, i will pardon you for it. he has pardoned every january 6 insurrectionist which remains a wild thing to stay -- say out loud. think how extreme something has to be right now to be a bridge too far for people like tom cotton and tim scott. >> you disagree when donald trump says as president he will consider pardoning every one of the january 6 writers. >> he did not say he would. he said consider it. i think what that means, he would take each case on a case- by-case basis. >> anyone know attacks and officer weather on the capitol grounds are in the country should serve time. >> not all the insurrectionist. even tom cotton and tim scott, who both want to be the vice president, will not go that far. apparently neither will be the people advising trump. as the washington post reported, some of ministration alumni planning for second term want trump to limit his political exposure by distancing himself from the most violent offenders. but, i don't think trump will do that because the most important thing to him has been evidenced over and over, is to signal to supporters that if they do something criminal on his behalf, all will be forgiven. stop the steal. get ready to fight. if any of that involves a crime, we have your back. in the same washington post piece, an insurrectionist who is in prison was quoted as saying it's a badge of honor. most of us got caught up in the freight. i would do it again. considering the narrative the trumpian republicans are pushing, their willingness to pardon these people, why wouldn't he? the warning signs are flashing bright red and joe biden is starting to call laid out. continuing to call laid out. here is exclusive video we obtained of the president at a fundraiser over the weekend. >> institutions matter and this president what he did on january 6, what he's saying now, if he said if he does not win, it will be a bloodbath. it is outrageous. >> it is outrageous. hard to argue with that. starting his office democratic congressman adam schiff. it is good to see you. i look forward to talking to you because you know so much is somebody who was on the select committee who investigated january 6 about these events and what led to them. we have talked a lot about this, but i went through some of the language that trump, lara trump, steve bannon, and others have been using in recent days and weeks. it seems they are laying the groundwork for another effort. what do you hear? is it different from what led to 2020 or is it similar in your view? >> it is similar and it's even worse. particularly when you hear steve bannon saying fight or die because trump is doing what he did prior to the last election which is laying the seeds that if he loses that he will challenge it as a legitimate. there is no way he can lose. the thing that donald trump fears more than anything is being labeled a loser. he is probably even more willing to be called a felon than a loser, but he is a loser and he is desperately afraid he may lose again, and if he does lose again, he wants to challenge the results. he is laying the foundation. we saw with even less incendiary rhetoric four years ago that it led to a violent confrontation of a mob descending on the capitol. now that they are escalating the rhetoric, with even greater fears of losing, and added to this for trump, i think he feels if he does not win, he is going to jail. he has all the more reason to contest any losing result. it's more of the same but even more dangerous. >> one of the things we talk about a lot on this show is how much we should be concerned about something. we are not trying to scare something to people. he is trying to whip up ship orders to come to his court appearances and he has not been successful. this language is scary. as you talk to your campaign across california, what are you telling people about the level of concern they should have? >> i am encouraged by the fact, as you say, he encouraged people to rise up if he were prosecuted and they did not rise up. there was not a massive protest. he was convicted and caused barely a stir among his most rapid pace in terms of any public protest. at the same time, you cannot discount the chance that if he loses again, when he loses again, that he will go to even greater lengths to try to overturn the results. wide i do tell people is the worst case scenario is the result is close. instead of a broad victory like we saw by joe biden four years ago where he won't go in numerous battleground states by pretty good margins, let's say it comes to a single state. i really do worry and there is simply no institution we can rely on. i would not want to rely on the supreme court in a close presidential contest any more than we saw in bush v gore. there's little confidence in the court, i think that would be a different catastrophe. the only remedy is the one in all of our hands and that's to make sure that joe biden wins overwhelmingly. that it is not close. that's the best way to avoid any kind of instability postelection. >> one of the challenge you have warned about and others have warned about from the committee is the role of enabler's. trump and mike johnson met today and it was reported that trump called mike johnson to ask for his help in overturning the conviction. that's not our role as far as i understand the rules of the house that it they can play. are their tactics or what could he use if he wanted to, mike johnson, to run interference or tried to have an impact on a conviction done in a state court? >> they are already trying to do the. mike johnson has been trying to do that for some time, acting through the due jesse gary committee for the committee to serve on under jim jordan has been subpoenaing witnesses from the manhattan das office and subpoenaing offices and attacking alvin bragg and holding -- as a committee did with the idea of somehow trying to embarrass alvin bragg. none has been successful but it's a clear effort by johnson through judiciary committee and the oversight committee to do trump's bidding and try to discredit the prosecution. there was no way to overturn it. there are ways we can further cause mischief which i think the speaker is trying to do. you look at trump's continuing influence on telling johnson who to put on the intelligence committee. two of his firebrands on the committee. that is a national security problem and threat. he has already done enough of the present's bidding, the former president, to be of grave concern. >> i was interested in your view on the. it has been reported that not just democrats but republicans who are part of the committee are upset about the naming of congressman scott. and ronnie jackson who were the people you were referencing. talk a little about the impact and the risk of having people like that on the committee who were named reportedly by the speaker of the house and the chairman of the committee was not given a heads up on that. >> it's amazing that down to the micromanaging of who johnson puts on committees, trump is calling the shots. putting someone like scott perry on the committee, as his cell phone records were subpoenaed by the justice department, someone involved in trying to install jeffrey clark, this unqualified person at the justice department and environmental section to install him as trump's attorney general because he thought he would be more useful in overturning the results of the election. someone like that on the committee who is involved already and an ongoing investigation, what it will mean is the intelligence agencies are not going to share the kind of information with the committee as a whole because they cannot trust him. it undermines the oversight role of the committee if agencies are not comfortable sharing with you, sadly though, he will have access to a lot of highly classified written material. there's not much that can be done about that. i am not surprised that even some republican members are unhappy with these choices. i have to think the chair and ranking member the intelligence committee, they are both unhappy about this. it shows the weakness of speaker johnson and the continued dominance of donald trump. >> no question. he asked them reportedly and that's what he did. adam schiff, thank you as always. a convicted criminal who is only out for himself. ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well ♪ ♪ jardiance! ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance ♪ ♪ at each day's start! ♪ ♪ as time went on it was easy to see ♪ ♪ i'm lowering my a1c! ♪ jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop jardiance and call your doctor right away 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i approve this message. >> the courtroom versus the oval office posing for a mug shot versus shaking hands with voters. fighting for himself versus fighting for you, and that's a key part of the message. a convicted criminal versus a president. that is the contrast in the ad. that is the choice and over one week from the debate, the biden campaign is betting that aggressively calling that out will help them shake up the race in the debate. this new ad as part of a $50 million ad that will eric ross battleground states starting today but will be hear more from the president himself and will it resonate with the audience who matters the most? hear to talk to me as the biden campaign principle deputy campaign manager and he joins me now. i know you have a lot on your plate. this is a forceful lad which is why we want to play it. it's a significant ad. i want to start, who knows more about the swing states and where things work than you. where -- which states will these play in and can you tell us what percentage of the $50 million will be toward that ad? >>, we are talking to voters in a number of states. the typical states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, north carolina, florida. we have to get the message out and it's clear. it's about somebody who wakes up every day fighting for the american people and trump whose only in the campaign fighting for himself. he is a convicted felon as you heard in the ad. he will do anything to hold onto power so he can continue to run a campaign on revenge and retribution. we have to make sure the american voters know that trump is not thinking about them and president biden is waking up every day fighting to lower costs, making corporations pair their fair share and that's what this election is about. >> that was a core message. it was a powerful lead. the voice of a narrator which was a strategic choice. the presidential debate is 10 days away. that tone, that contrast, how it is done and what we should expect to hear from president biden on the stage? >> yeah, i think so. i think president biden will make sure trump has to answer for his extreme agenda why he doubles down and tried to rip away freedoms from the american people including women across the country with less freedoms than their ancestors because of donald trump and what he has done. why he continues to throw the middle class under the bus at the expense of wealthy corporations and his wealthy friends. that is what president biden will hold donald trump accountable for. >> i want ask about a statement that can pay put out following comments from a former trumpet that confirmed trump talked about executing americans. this was a fire restatement. it called out as there is for violence and said he has snapped. there is a lot to respond to. i was curious because a lot of people, democrats out there, who cheer for that i think this is fire re-and we went to see this binary language. is this the type of language and tone people should expect from campaign spokespeople moving forward? >> we will continue to make sure we are calling attention to it. some statements are more spacey but it's what it necessitates. it's an agenda. it's not the fact that trump is a convicted felon. it's the fact of why he is a convicted felon. he's willing to go to whatever length possible to hold onto power so he can get his way. i run a campaign on retribution and we will call that out. it necessitates a spicy statement, that's what we will do. the message is clear. the contrast in the selection is clear. trump is in this for himself and he is doubling down and willing to do what it takes including break the law in order to get what he wants. we will do what we can to stop it. >> he will give you stuff to be spicy with. keep being spicy. i want your reaction to something trump said in an interview. how he responds to blot data's black voters who calls him racist. i have so many black friends that if i were a racist, they would not be friends. they would know better than anybody, and fast. i don't know what to ask you other than your reaction to that statement and what his assessment is of his level of racism? >> i mean, that statement sounds like something a racist would say. i would laugh if the stakes of the selection were not so high. they are incredibly high and it's nothing to laugh at. look at what trump has done. double down calling for the execution of the exonerated five. refusing to rent apartment buildings to african americans and while he was president, leaving more african americans uninsured, unemployed. that's the only thing donald trump thinks about when it comes to black america. that statement sounds like somebody who is racist would say to try to prove they are not. the proof is in the pudding and we will make sure that black america knows donald trump cares nothing about them the same as he does not care about the rest of american president biden is putting in the work to earn their vote to make their lives better. >> quentin fulks, you have campaign oversight to be spending your time on. thank you for spending some time with me. in case of emergency, new reporting from "the new york times" and the plans being made to resist a second trump term. i will talk to two people making those plans. making those plans. hi, i'm amanda and i lost 37 pounds with golo. so i'm a hair stylist and i'm on my feet all of the time. with golo i have more energy. i'm able to work and stand on my feet 10 hours a day and to me golo means a happier life a more successful life. a slow network is no network for business. that's why more choose comcast business. and now, we're introducing ultimate speed for business —our fastest plans yet. we're up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds... at no additional cost. it's ultimate speed for ultimate business. don't miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get 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send in the military to quell protests in democratic cities. it's important we stay clear out of these dangerous plans. he is telling us what he wants to do. it's also important that we recognize there is a lot of work being done to resist what could come in a second trump term. in a piece published, "the new york times" describes a, quote, a sprawling network of democratic officials, progressive activist, watchdog groups and ask republicans is been taking steps to prepare for a potential second trump presidency. patrick who is the chief executive of the political of the center for american progress explains, quote, what trump and his acolytes are running on his an authoritarian playbook. we have to democracy prove the actual institutions and the values we share. some democratic governors attracted way through group called the reproductive freedom alliance working to protect abortion providers and patients. five governors have established stockpiles of the abortion medication mifepristone to guard against the possibility of any trump administration using federal power to stop its interstate distribution. the american civil liberties union is preparing for legal action against a second trump administration. the director anthony is at times they have mapped out 63 scenarios in which a new trump administration could pose a threat to individual rights and the rule of law. to be clear, these are plans i would not be necessary in normal times. we are not in normal times and hopefully these plans will not be necessary but we have seen what trump is capable of nyt and is acolytes and what project 2025 is planning and to understand what people are preparing. we will dive into the plans to fight back with patrick and anthony romero of the aclu. acl ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. with less than five months ago until election day in the polls neck and neck, the threat of a second trump term looms large. as the "new york times" reports, progressive group say they learned their lesson learned a lot of lessons from 2016. they have started putting plans in place to resist a anti- democratic authoritarian trump agenda. joining me, patrick gaspard, center for american project and anthony romero the executive director the american civil liberties union. you are so busy and i appreciate your taking the time . it so important for people to understand. patrick, you talked about how we have to, quote, democracy prove institutions. that's a great phrase own preparation for second trump term. what does it mean to democracy prove? >> thank you for having a son and for being a bulwark every night on the air. i understated the level of the threat instead of democracy proofing, given the things we've heard from donald trump and from the weak speaker of the house is willing to go along with his plans, we need to fireproof our democracy. there is a set of norms we have taken for granted over decades, centuries of american democratic governance that we understand are not baked into law and find ways to harden. the biden administration has done a commendable job of lifting up rules in the administration to strengthen the civil service for instance because we know there's an active threat from project 2025 that's directed at federal workers because they intend to weaponize the agencies and put their political appointees into so to dismantle the architecture of democracy in those agencies. it means this time we need greater coordination between federal officials like senators and congress members and mayors and governors. not just in blue states but purple states as well. we know from recent practice that red state governors have been lifting up litigation in egregious ways against the federal government, but if the threat comes to be, we will need governors and mayors to push litigation against actual constitutional threats we are facing and the last thing is folks like anthony romero and i and the other groups need to create a spine for our democracy and a network. we can't just go after this like a whack a mole issue after issue but lift a broader conversation about democracy with citizens that leads to putting up scaffolding around the norms, our values, and institutions. spirit spine for our democracy. that's a good phrase. anthony, let me ask you about one of those pieces of litigation. what's clear from this article, the aclu was working on a lot and one of the pieces talks about the aclu is preparing litigation that would challenge the insurrection act which is something that scares people, the potential for that. if donald trump tries to send troops into american cities let's say. it's a litigation apparatus or effort, how concerned are you about that possibility and what does that look like, the effort the aclu is preparing? >> thank you for and i'm glad to be here with patrick and colleagues and talk about what we are doing. we have to move beyond admiring the problem. there is no time for handwringing and no way to spend -- we need to identify the threats. we need to lay out a for what of the worst threats were to come to pass. in litigation, it takes time. you have to think through the theories and the venues. what types of clients, where you would file, what are the best cases to run the gauntlet on. part of that we are doing now and mapping out these different issue areas, how do we amass the legal theories and the tactics and strategies. the relationships with other organizations. dividing and conquering. it will be too much for one organization to handle on its own. the aclu brought 433 legal actions against a trump administration. we were up against everything we had. we will not be prepared even as much as we prepare, we will not be ready to meet the full firepower of this government. trump gets a second term in office and he will have enormous powers. it will be more rigorous. they will go for the jugular. he will be the redemption he promises about making sure he follows through on all his threats and we have to be ready. that is what our lawyers are mapping out the theories. we are publishing them in memos we have our website. we should two, one on immigration and the second on lgbtq rights. laying out a game plan. >> it's an interesting data and people should read about it and re-project 2025 -- anthony touchdown one of the. there are lessons learned that your organizations have been doing for years. some lessons learned from the trump term in terms of what worked and did not, coordinating seems important. what else in terms of looking back at what he was capable of and what threats he posed are you applying now and implementing your plans leading to the potential. >> i will answer it first with a backdoor by saying irrespective of the doom and gloom, i am confident that president biden will be victorious. that being said, we need to do all this work to guard against a worst-case scenario. last time, there were so many lessons. the first is humility. if we are on the other side of november and trump as won, it will be because we failed to make an effective case about what the threat is to our democracy. right now in our polling, nine out of every 10 americans have no notion of project 2025 but when we pulled individual elements, theoretically unpopular. the first we need to do is appreciate that our values, the norms were trying to lift have the majority enthusiasm, majority popularity in the country. we have to speak with a commonality against those. it credits across issues that helps everyone locate a sense of their social identity and the direction of our democracy. i will be candid. after trump won and there were demonstrations and litigation, there was little coordination between the activist base and the legal base. we have to close the daylight between those spaces and we had instances where we underestimated the reach of federal power and trump's understanding of the extent of presidential and executive authority. he understood very well there were a set of norms that were a facade that if you pushed just enough, he would have a senate data and a supreme court that could be compliant. he understands that better now and he will be surrounded by more sophisticated set of actors in a second term, and they have an authoritarian playbook to work from. >> i hope you will come back so we can talk more about this and the work both of you and your organizations are doing. stick coming up. when it comes to the last data trump's agenda, it could down to the senate. one holding onto his seat and help democrats keep control is pennsylvania senator bob casey. what is cirkul? cirkul is what you hope for when life tosses lemons your way. cirkul is your frosted treat with a sweet kick of confidence. cirkul is the effortless energy that gets you in the zone. cirkul, available at walmart and drinkcirkul.com. we just talked to some leaders of progressive groups on how they're preparing for the worst should trump pallotta win but safe to say the best bulwark against a trump white house would be a democratic senator, continued leadership and a democratic senate. the unique power in confirming cabinet appointees and judicial nominees including supreme court justices would be a crucial check on trump's authoritarian impulses. a democratic senate might be the only thing standing in the way of a national abortion ban. there are 10 senate races to watch but maintaining control could be i have a live for a democrat since they hold eight of the seats up for grabs. that includes pennsylvania. incumbent democratic senator bob casey is facing dave mccormick, former ceo of one of the largest hedge funds in the world. bob casey joins we now. thank you for being here with me. >> great to be with you. >> you have been campaigning and talking to voters. one of the things you talk about is the economy and create inflation a what people are seeing. when you look at the polls which are in perfect, the data is good on the economy but it doesn't show when the polls the people are feeling it are given the president are democrats credit. what do voters say when they talk about the economy and how they are experiencing it? >> high prices. we know even after these huge corporations got these record tax cuts, tax cuts we have rarely seen an american history, they got tax breaks and used most of that new revenue they had to have stock buybacks and then they jacked up their prices. the price of food and household items. people not only feel it every week, but they know what it is and it is greed. greedflation. i have talked about and the president has shrinkflation where they shrink the size of the project and not the price. the larger question is basic greed. when they jack up prices on food and laugh all the way to the bank, we have to take action against that. when i talk about not just pointing it out for voters to focus on but when i talk about taking action, that's where you get people's attention. people want a price gouging bill. hold the companies accountable. they also want us to rollback those pre-corporate tax breaks. these big companies did not need it because they are getting -- jacking up their prices. >> you have talked about abortion rights and women's rights in that regard. the future of the supreme court, of course, will be impacted by who wins in the white house and who's in control of the senate. the president talked about how trump or the next president could name two supreme court justices. is that something resonating? is the supreme court and the future of the supreme court, the ethics of the supreme court resonating with pennsylvania voters? >> the broader question of rights meaning voting rights and democracy, women's rights, obviously, and workers rights. class on the third but i think it's the next set of battlelines. if the supreme court can overturn a 49 you're right for women, they can take away other rights. we saw on the recent debate in the senate, we have two separate weeks, one was a vote on contraception. you think it would be an easy vote. every republican senator but two did not vote to uphold the right to contraception in 2024. that was followed by a float on ivf and the same held true. the republican party has gone so extreme and so for right that they not only support abortion bans that are taking place but they can't even uphold the right to contraception or the right on a national basis. >> it is unbelievable. there is a new buy announced by the biden campaign, a $50 million. it's pretty forward leaning on calling out trump as being is that and add -- >> i have not seen it. >> will it be effective in pennsylvania? is that an issue, trump's legal lectures and convictions, that are resonating? >> it is a contrast. one candidate who was the subject of a 30 for count conviction at another who has not been subjected to that. i think people know there's a difference. unless you point out differences, in my raise, on the issue you just made reference to, the issue of abortion, i have been supporting the right and he supports the ban on abortion. it's clear on contraception. my opponent will not answer the question whether he supports a contraception bill or the ivf bill. pointing out those contrast is important. >> we want to, the campaign trail with you and we're trying to highlight the importance senate races and yours is a pivotal one that everybody should be watching. thank you for joining me. >> tell people to go to bob casey.com to help us. sometimes you have to swim against the current. we will be back. back. 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