thanks for joining us in this second hour of "chris jansing reports." ahead, donald trump's son eric due back on the stand minutes from now. what he and his older brother said in court today in the civil fraud trial. a senior hamas leader just reiterating his vow to repeat the horrific october 7th attack on israel again and again as fighting ramps up in gaza. what does it mean for the future of the conflict? plus, the long journey to escape. at least 79 americans and their family members have been allowed to exit gaza in the last two days, according to a senior biden administration official. but for palestinians, the only way out is having a significant injury, as the situation there worsens daily. and here at home, a vote to expel embattled republican congressman george santos fails in the house. but his legal and political troubles are far from over. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments in new york. we are waiting for eric trump to get back on the stand at the civil fraud trial. nbc's lindsey reiser is outside the courthouse. what's the latest there, lindsey? >> reporter: he has a different style from his brother don jr. who wrapped up his testimony today with no cross. don was a little more relaxed at times, even joking with the judge, and eric seems to be a little bit more frustrated with some of the questioning. they're boets testifying to their roles as executive vice presidents at the trump organization and what their responsibilities would include pertaining to statements of financial condition. these are the documents the attorney general's office is saying contains the overvaluations to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, asking for $250 million in damages. yesterday they had an expert on the stand that testified that $168 million was left on the table for the banks in interest they could have charged had they known the actual value of the assets. we heard eric getting angry, raising his voice a little bit saying i was not personally aware of statements of financial condition. i did not work on statements of financial condition. we can expect to hear more direct once they resume after lunch. and then don jr. also testifying to the fact that even though his signature was on these documents, he basically was relying on other people who had more accounting and financial experience than he did. he said he only knew about gaap from the accounting 101 course that he took. he said basically he relied on people that knew more and that were paying. we can expect to hear from the former president on monday when he's called by the state and will be compelled to testify. ivanka is slated for wednesday. her legal team is appealing or jurisdiction, and also on relevance. she's no longer a codefendant in this case. the court of appeals dropped her because of the statute of limitations. we will have to see if either the court of appeals could issue a stay on that testimony on wednesday, it could be delayed or they could rule quickly on it. we'll stay tuned for that. >> lindsey reiser, thank you. we want to get back to the big breaking news that a senior hamas leader in an exclusive interview with nbc is vowing to repeat its october 7th attack over and over until israel is eliminated. those remarks the white house calls chilling. nbc's raf sanchez is reporting from ashdod, israel. idf said they're in face-to-face combat with hamas around gaza city. what can you tell us about what's happening on the ground? >> reporter: yeah, chris. well, if the first couple of weeks of israel's campaign in gaza were conducted from the air with a punishing wave of air strikes, israeli troops are now deep into what prime minister netanyahu is calling the next phase. they are fighting street by street on the outskirts of gaza city. it appears they are trying to encircle what is the largest urban center in the north of gaza, and they're going to try to choke off hamas inside of that area. israel has been calling for palestinian civilians to leave the north of the strip for weeks. they still estimate there are some 300,000 or so palestinian civilians inside of gaza city. we should say they have been telling people to go south saying it would be safe down there. there have been israeli air strikes in the south also. we have seen civilians being killed in those strikes too. israel says it has lost at least 18 soldiers since the ground offensive began. they say they are killing hundreds of hamas terrorists as they advance. one of the big questions still hanging over the situation is fuel. the u.n., other humanitarian organizations are saying they need fuel to keep the lights on at hospitals. they need fuel to distribute what little aid is making its way through the rafah crossing. the u.s. and israel both saying hamas appears to have significant stock piles of fuel, which it could distribute to hospitals, but is choosing not to do so. but the israeli government for the first time is saying it is considering allowing fuel into gaza as part of this humanitarian package that the u.s. has been pushing for. prime minister netanyahu says they have not yet made any financial decision one way or the other, but the head of israel's military saying earlier today they will not allow palestinian hospitals inside gaza to completely shut down. that is not much comfort to doctors who are working sometimes in darkness inside those hospitals, sometimes without antiseptic, trying to save the lives of these very large numbers of wounded people. the u.n. today says four of its shelters, several of them schools have been damaged by israel strikes in the last 24 hours or so, and chris, they have been saying 70 of their staff have been killed since october 7th. >> raf sanchez, thank you for that. right now at gaza's rafah crossing, hundreds of foreign passport holders are desperately seeking safe passage to egypt. meagan fitzgerald is following the story from cairo. there have been some, including a number of americans breathing a huge sigh of relief because they have gotten out. what can you tell us? >> reporter: you're absolutely right. you know, what we can see, certainly, is that u.s. diplomacy has absolutely worked. we saw the second list today of 600 foreign nationals that are able to leave gaza through the rafah border crossing, the majority of them americans, nearly 400 of them americans. we had an opportunity to speak with some of those americans today who said first they were notified early, early this morning that they were to head to the border, and then they described this very long process. it was about 12 hours once they arrived to the rafah border crossing on the gaza side. they went to this waiting room where they sat and waited for their names to be called. once their names were called, they then progressed where they were able to show their passport and go through the documentations there. after that, they were then shuttled to the egyptian side where they underwent this medical process where they were looked at to make sure they were in good health, children were vaccinated according to the egyptian ministry of health, and they were taken to cairo where they are here. the woman we spoke with said, look, this was a desperate situation. as she was waiting to get her name called, there were fighting that were taking place inside the facility that she was in. we're also hearing from another gentleman, another american citizen who describes just a desperate situation. take a listen to what he has to say. >> we have been here since 3:00, fighting to get in. and now we are trying to get out, and i don't know what's going to happen. just about an hour ago, you heard a bomb came down, exploded, and i have a heart condition. it's like, you know, it can collapse any time. so i don't know what's going to happen. i'm just trying to get to the other side and be safe. >> reporter: yeah, so a chaotic situation, but we do know that the rafah border crossing now open for the second day in a row. according to the egyptian officials, they tell us that some 7,000 foreign nationals will be allowed to transfer from gaza into egypt, and that is a process, chris, that we will be monitoring over the next several days, and possibly even weeks ahead. chris. >> and a critically important one. meagan fitzgerald, thank you for that update. george santos survived a republican-led effort to expel him from the house. garrett haake is on capitol hill for us. he's safer now, garrett, but he's not out of the woods. explain what unfolded because there is a bit of inside baseball here. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, chris, this is not the last act in this drama by any long shot. what we saw yesterday was a resolution put forward by some of george santos fellow new york republicans calling for his expulsion from congress. it would have taken 2/3 of the house to vote for the expulsion for it to go through. it's only been hit five times in the history of congress. it wasn't hit last night. some republicans, as most republicans voted against the expulsion, some democrats, about 30 of them voted against the idea of expulsion, and the idea that all of them made was this was about due process, santos has been accused of copious wrong doing, 23 felony counts, lying to his donors about anything and everything, defrauding them along the way, but he's pled not guilty to those charges, and he's not been convicted of anything, and so a lot of those members want to see a little bit more here, give them the chance to defend themselves. what's going to change is something that could happen in the next two weeks, the house ethics committee, set to release something, perhaps completed findings or interim report, they're not really saying. ethics is slow to act, and the fact that they're even saying they've got something coming has left a lot of lawmakers willing to sit back and wait a little bit to see what they find before they take such a big step to vote to expel a member, who, by the way, republicans desperately need to keep in this body to keep their very slim margin at a functional level. >> but new york members of congress who are in swing districts are a little uncomfortable about. garrett haake. >> exactly. >> good to see you my friend. appreciate it. still ahead, both of donald trump's older sons on the stand at the company fraud trial while their sister is in that fight not to have to show up at all. we're back in 60 seconds. ck in s today donald trump jr. once known as the rebellious son of a former president spent another morning in court defending himself and the company that his dad built at their new york fraud trial. now, before his brother eric took the stand, don jr. was presented with key documents that prosecutors say proved fraud. his response over and over again was that he relied on and trusted accountants and attorneys who compiled those documents, and then he simply signed on them. david, a reporter for the "new york times" who has reported extensively about the trump organization and the trump family and won a pulitzer prize for his investigation into donald trump's charitable giving while at "the washington post," also with me, catherine christian, former assistant d.a. in the manhattan district attorney's office and an msnbc legal analyst. i want to play a little bit of what don jr. said when he left the court this morning. >> i think it went really well. we're actually dealing with logic and reason the way business is conducted but unfortunately the attorney general has brought forth a case that is purely a political persecution. you pay experts millions of dollars to be experts. you sign off on what they give you. and you're liable. >> so he's essentially saying we gave them millions of dollars, they gave us these documents. we trusted them and signed it. does it work that way? >> no, and this is a documents case, and the beauty for prosecutors of a documents case, it's all there. so you don't have to rely on testimony. basically they were prepared, the attorney general's lawyers, for all of the i don't recalls out of the trump sons' mouths. i don't recall. look at this document, isn't that your signature. i don't recall. here's a copy of an e-mail of someone who says they discussed it with you. this testimony from both sons, and i know eric is not finished was bad for their case because the proof is in all of the documents. >> david, based on your extensive reporting, how big of a role did don jr. and eric, for that matter, play until the family business? >> they actually played very different roles. when trump was elected issue both don jr. and ivanka went into campaign mode. eric for better or worse, eric had not been a major player in the business before, he gets stuck with the business. he ran the business while trump was in office. his brother, don jr. is in this courtroom and is on trial because he had a formal role at the company, did sign paperwork, but he was not that engaged day-to-day. eric trump's prosecution or eric trump's questioning today is more substantiative. it's already been more combative. he was the one in the weeds with the valuations. he's the one who had the hand on the scale making it look better for the trump organization. >> i'm curious for both of the sons, on a scale of 1 to 10, if you want to put it that way because this is a family and certainly a man in donald trump, the former president, who prizes loyalty, how loyal are the sons to their dad and to the business? >> i mean, from what we have seen so far, 10 out of 10. i have not seen any evidence that they're trying to throw their father out of the business, blame him. who would they be without him, the roles they have in business or politics without him, probably not. i have not seen any evidence that they're trying to sort of toss him out there and save themselves. in fact, i don't think it's possible because for so long they and he worked so closely together in the business before trump ran for office. so even if they wanted to throw him under the bus, i'm not sure that option is available to them. >> by the way, we were just told that the lunch break ended and so they're going back into court, and eric trump will presumably be back on the stand. i want to ask you, david, about ivanka, she was taken out of this court case, and there was a statute of limitations issues, other issues, now she is trying, and she filed this just yesterday to not have to testify at all. what's your thought on that? the role ivanka plays in the family dynamic but also just really trying hard not to have to go into the courtroom? >> well, obviously ivanka trump has tried to separate herself physically and politically from her father and brothers since trump's presidency ended. she's moved to florida. she is not seen in public very much. she hasn't played a role in her father's 2024 campaign. she would like not to be associated with the trumps. it will be hard for her to avoid testifying because she played a big role in the company before her father ran for office. any question about how the company misled folks before then would involve her. >> it's been interesting to listen to our reporters inside the courtroom and our lawyer inside the courtroom because they're saying donald jr. was actually very respectful, joking a little bit, the judge joked back with him apparently. answered questions. eric, they described as a little bit more combative. what would you expect from the former president when he takes the stand? >> well, i've read depositions, seen testimony where trump's testified before. i think you're going to get a lot of i don't recall, you know, a lot of i trusted my lawyers like don jr. he's someone who can't let things lie. he will see combativeness. in the past, his lawyers have gotten him in more trouble by egging him on to become more combative and make assertions they can disprove. it's a real mine field stepping into the testimony, both politically perhaps but certainly legally if he's caught in more lies. >> what will the judge focus on to come up with a final decision. >> on their testimony but basically all the documents and evidence that preceded their testimony, he's found that the company engaged in persistent fraud. i think we know what the next step is going to be. >> catherine, you're going to be back with me in a moment. david farrenthold, come back soon, thank you. republicans in revolt over tommy tuberville's military blockade. will backlash from his own party get him to budge? the fight deep underground in gaza, we'll go inside the subterranean terror tunnels and the unique challenges they pose for the idf. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. watching reports" only on msnbc safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite 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>> reporter: the short answer is no. we caught up with senator tuberville earlier today, and he seems as stuck in his stance as he was at the beginning of all of this seven months ago where 360 some-odd military promotions started to back up. tuberville understands these military promotions have nothing to do with his issue which is this policy that would allow service members serving in states where abortion is restricted to seek abortion services in other states, which is the policy that he's opposed to. it has nothing to do with military promotions, but he believes it's the only way to get the attention of military brass and the white house. take a listen. >> it don't have anything to do with it, but it's the only way i can get their attention. i've told you all along, i hate to have to do this, but somebody has got to listen to us, okay. i work for the people of this country. i don't work for another senator or president. i work for the taxpayers of this country. >> reporter: so this is an ongoing saga, but, chris, it's really come to a head now because republicans are the ones being vocally critical of senator tuberville. up until this point, they have largely had their concerns expressed behind closed doors, but now democrats are talking about a temporary fix to try and allow many of these promotions to move through all at once. republicans aren't interested in any short-term fix, they don't want to change the rules. they're worried that could affect things down the road. that's why you see them being vocally critical of senator tuberville. it really does not seem to have changed his position at all, chris. >> ryan nobles, thank you. now to the war in gaza and the daunting challenge facing israeli troops deep underground. hundreds of miles of tunnels and bunkers beneath the gaza strip, hiding fighters, weapons and hostages. nbc's josh lederman joins us from tel aviv. idf has tried to destroy the gaza metro before without real success. what do we know? >> reporter: yeah, and chris, in 2014, israel destroyed dozens of tunnels, but it was just the tip of the iceberg. in the years since, israel has built underground walls to stop hamas tunnels from boroughing into israel, but israeli officials will openly acknowledge they are largely operating in the dark. as israel fights intense ground battles in gaza, the greatest threat may be underground. hamas tunnels, hundreds of them, promoted on their social media. some storing weapons and fighters. others command posts, concealed from israel's drones and spy planes. hamas claims it's built more than 300 miles of tunnels, half as long as new york's subway, crisscrossing an area just 25 miles long. >> it smells, it's dark. it's closing on you. it's scary. >> reporter: it's also where many of the roughly 240 hostages are believed to be held. >> we have to measure twice, and three times they are not in those tunnels that we are bombing. >> one of the released hostages said she was held in a tunnel with four others. >> it looks like a spider web. >> reporter: in this hamas video, fighters are seen popping out of tunnels, simulating an attack on israeli tanks. it's a threat not unlike what the u.s. faced in iraq. ben milch, originally from iowa came face to face with hamas when his idf unit destroyed tunnels in the 2014 gaza war. >> we would fire at them, and they would go into their tunnel and run and pop up in another location. >> reporter: israel says the tunnels have gotten more sophisticated as deep as 240 feet, fortified by concrete, wired for electricity and ventilation and booby trapped and no one knows exactly where they all are, nobody but hamas. >> we have a good grasp of the network. it's only part of the picture. >> reporter: destroying them won't be easy. israel says hamas has built tunnels under homes and mosques, risks lives. they have hit some with bunker-buster bombs, likely with severe civilian casualties. tunnels can be flooded with sea water, and israel could use new technology, a sponge bomb described to nbc by someone shown the device by the idf, a mix of chemicals dropped into a tunnel creates a foam that expands, hardens, and seals the entrance, at least temporarily. imperfect solutions to a lethal threat lurking underground. and, chris, one thing you are unlikely to see is israeli troops entering these tunnels themselves. the idf telling radio today under no circumstances would troops go into the tunnels because of the risk of booby traps. you're more likely to see israel try to seal the entrances or drop smoke bombs into the tunnels with hamas operatives still inside to literally smoke them out, chris. >> josh lederman, thank you so much. i want to bring in michael oren, former israeli ambassador to the u.s. this gives our viewers a little bit of an idea of the complications of this war, and i just want to point out that a liter -- leader of hamas reiterated it nbc their promise to strike again over and over and over again. so that's what israel is dealing with. they're dealing with a war that was started, lives that were lost and a promise to keep it going. on the other hand, we are continuing to hear widespread concern about the impact this is having on noncombatant indis. unicef said in a statement, 400 children a day are being killed or injured, pleading this cannot become the new normal. the u.n. human rights agency said attacks on the jabalya refugee camp could amount to war crimes. we're seeing hospitals throughout gaza go dark. we just heard horror stories related to us by one of the spokes people for doctors without borders. so is there a way for israel to assure its security ambassador and minimize at the very at least the number of civilian casualties? >> that's a good question, chris, and no one is enjoying this in any way, seeing pictures of civilians suffering. the idea is to prevent the greatest possible, that type of suffering by palestinian civilians. for that reason, israel has urged this population to move away from the battle zones, to move down south and to get out of the way of fire to the greatest degree possible. if they are still in these areas, like the jabalya refugee camp, that's because hamas wants them there, using them as human shieldings. hamas knows the only way it's going to get away with the mass murder of october 7th and 8th and if there's an international cease fire. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you, but do we know they're holding them there? this is an area one mile square, this refugee camp where 100,000 people live. they also know that there are many palestinians who say they have left, they have gone south and only to find that there are more attacks, so is hamas really holding them there? and you, i assume, don't deny that israel knows that is one of the most densely populated parts of one of the most densely populated areas of the world, this 1 mile square. >> the question is -- i'm never going to ask you a question, chris, but what alternative do we have? really what alternative do we have? you saw from your report there's an entire city under the refugee camp, hundreds of miles of tunnels. hamas is operating from inside them, firing rockets at us, including where i am in tel aviv. what choice do we have? this is a war of national survival for my country. if we don't remove the hamas threat, we can't go back to normal life. we have 250,000 people who have evacuated their homes. they can't go back to their homes. we can't restore our basic security. the place becomes uninhabitable. we have no choice. we want to minimize the civilian casualties, but if the casualties are being caused, that is a question you have to pose to hamas, not to israel. it's that basic. and again, we can express our dismay and pain, but at the end of the day, every casualty in gaza, civilian casualty, that is the responsibility of hamas, not state of israel. >> nick cristoff in the "new york times" puts it this way, when chi on both sides are slaughtered, it's extremists who are invariably ascendant. that's the long time pattern i the middle east. it was palestinian suicide bombers who propelled benjamin netanyahu into the prime minister's office and it has been israeli hard liners who fuel extremist palestinian groups like hamas and islamic jihad. do you worry in carrying out the war in the way they're carrying out the war, israel is creating new terrorists and empowering extremists in its own ranks. >> you can use that argument about the way the united states dealt with isis and al qaeda. by the way, the level of civilian casualties in those conflicts were far greater. you can say maybe america shouldn't have reacted that way, for the next generation of al qaeda and isis. i don't think anybody is making that argument. i think that historically, and i'm a historian by training, the egyptians tried to make wars against us four times, we defeated them, and they internalized it's not a good idea to make war against us, and they made peace. the four countries that signed the abraham accords, ditto. >> that has not been the case for hamas for decades. >> they will internalize, this is not a go ahead idea to massacre 1,400 jews in their homes, women and children, murdered, raped, burned. maybe it's not a good idea. there are consequences. >> former ambassador michael oren, appreciate you coming on. still ahead one of the former officers charged in the beating death of tyre nichols changes his plea to guilty. what might that mean for the four other former police officers charged? 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