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>> here comes a monster into your house. >> i just broke down. i just couldn't imagine who wanted to do this. >> then it happened again to another mother and another daughter. >> somebody is killing mothers and daughters. that is about as scary as it. gets >> who is out there. and who would be next. >> something you would never imagined would happen. >> the clues lie here, in abandon mansion, erie, haunting. where was this killer? hiding >> cold calculating eyes, lifeless. he was almost a ghost. >> could they catch him? could they stop him? >> i get chills all over. i'm kind of on the edge of my. seat >> he truly thought he could outsmart us. >> hello and welcome to dateline. would you recognize danger, if it was lurking nearby? this story that you are about to hear, is a tale of true terror. a killer was stalking victims in a quiet neighborhood, leaving residents panicked that they would be next. police were determined to catch him, unaware he was hiding in plain sight. but soon, a stolen set of keys would help investigators unlock a mystery and unmask a murderer. here is dennis murphy, with the unusual suspect. >> consider for a moment that cozy word home, and all it evokes. warren. family, shelter, security. got it? and now reflect on what happens when those four walls are breached, when nightmare stuff crawls through the window, kicks in the doors, when a haven becomes a house of horrors. so how does that feel? just ask floyd irving. >> i'm laying on the couch. i wake up in there's two gunmen over top of me holding guns, pointing them at me like hold it down, you're being robbed, don't move. >> here's a past that night in august 2000, a outside the nation's capital, in a nice neighborhood in prince georges county maryland. but lloyd and vicky ervin and their son, just four years at the time, are still haunted by the image of gunman. two masked intruders. >> talk about your worst nightmares. this is. it >> yes it's something you would never imagine would happen. >> what the robbers didn't count on was that lloyd is a nationally renowned martial arts expert. and when one of the gunman walked away to school but the rest of the house, lloyd was suddenly one-on-one with his accomplice. >> the gunman is over here in the corner right. >> or in the corner over. there i know it doesn't have any room to back up at all. i just go. i'm coming over. and i got the gun. and i give it cartridge out. once the car chases out a. drop so i hit the. ground >> where the intruder go. he ran out of the room. he was running like low like, he has the. gun >> by the time lloyd managed to reload, the wrestled away gun and give chase. both invaders had escaped. >> i'm calling 9-1-1 my sons on top of me and he's just shaking, not saying a word, not crying just shaping. and i often think you know where they're going to kill us that night? >> the ervin family would not be the first or the last asked that awful question. >> i'd like to report a robbery. >> 9-1-1 how can i help you? >> in the months that followed, the area was hit with a wave of home invasions. each time to masked men, meticulous ball not leaving fingerprints or evidence behind. the prince georges county police were baffled. the community was understandably on edge. and then on january 26th, 2009, on a quiet street in upper marlborough, the county see anxiety turn to full on, both the doors panic. >> print georges county 9-1-1 center. what is your emergency? >> ma'am i've been shot. me and my mother have been shot. i'm bleeding to death. >> where are you? >> it was a desperate plea for help from a dying girl. on the phone 16-year-old student, clarissa--. >> sweetie slowdown. what's the. address? >> police rushed to the scene, but it was too late. they found caressing and her mom karen in their bedroom, each killed execution style and shot straight to the head. >> crimes quickly become statistics. but this just stands, out doesn't it? >> it stands. out it makes the hair on the back of your head stand up also. >> veteran prince george is county have inside detective bernie nelson was in charge of the case. the first arriving officers told him they found the main door locks shot from the inside. the killer they thought, head likely enter the house through an unlocked side window. >> this bedroom on the second floor that's facing us, that is where clarissa was found. detective nelson wondered, did the murders of anything to do with the plague of recent home invasion robberies? if so, why was nothing stolen from the house? >> her vehicle was still in the driveway, nothing appeared disturbed. >> investigators did not find any useful forensic evidence. just six spent shell casings from the bullets that had carried karen and clarissa. fired from a glock 17 handgun. >> we did find out that just two doors down, across the street, someone had seen a blue vehicle parked right on the right side of the road. in that, right now, at this point that is all i have. >> so detective nelson set out to find more about his victims. >> karen loft in turned out to be a devoted mother and nurse with no apparent enemies. she was divorced from caresses father kirkland, who now lived in atlanta the daughter, charisma was in private school had good grades and was still a very attached to her father. >> clarissa it was a special girl for me, because at a young age she had open heart surgery, and she bounced right back from. it kirkland said he had watched karissa blossom into a gregarious teenager. a fashionista and inspiring model with a knack for selfies. >> i sing the song by bob carlile, it's called butterfly kisses. ♪ ♪ ♪ it told the story of him and a daughter, and i used to sing that song to her. and she would just look at me and she loved me singing a song to her. she was my butterfly. that's what i called her. >> now kirkland's butterfly was dead, and detective nelson recruited some of pg county's finest to help him solve the case. including then detective anthony--. >> this is a mother, hardworking, and her daughter. and they both think that there safely inside their home. >> and here comes a monster into your house with a glock. it shocked us all >> as a hunt for this brutal killer, detective started with the usual suspects. >> since there's no rhyme or reason behind that you can come up with, you have to look at family members. >> one family member in particular. karissa's 20 year old brother, but he wasn't there when cops arrive. police spotted him near the crime scene several hours after the murders. could a son, a brother, have done such a monstrous thing? >> the investigation begins with some tough questions for kion. coming up. >> would you have hurt your mom and sister? >> one of the detectives simply in the said everybody in that room thinks it's you. >> was it? why happen next would launch a whole new wave of fear, when dateline continues. can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. ask your doctor about dupixent. looking for a bladder leak pad that keeps you dry? all of the things that you're looking for in a pad, that is always discreet. look at how it absorbs all of the liquid. and locking it right on in! you feel no wetness. - oh my gosh! - totally absorbed! i got to get some always discreet! 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house all the time? >> one of the detectives plainly said, everybody in that room things it's you, you're the only one that had access to the code. >> would you have hurt your mom and sister? >> you would've never hurt your moment sister. >> i was upset, i don't have anything to do with it. whatever you need to do. it's not going to be me. >> keyon told investigators he was spending the night as fiance's house. her mom woke him and told him she had heard on the news that two women on his street had been murdered. >> i just ran out of the house. my heart was racing. i just hopped the gate, hopped the car, i'm running lights, some speeding, i'm still calling at the same time. and when i got there they asked me for my name. and the police officer just turned his head thing anyone said ok we got the son. here and i just broke down you know. >> keyon's alibi checked out. it wasn't him. investigators also interviewed kirkland, karen's ex husband and karissa's father. he too had an airtight alibi. he'd been in atlanta at the time of the murders. >> did you go a lot of places together? >> next on detectives list was karen's former boyfriend, michael lacey. he refused to take a lie detector test so police interviewed him three separate times. >> did you all have keys to each other's? house >> definitely. not >> you could just walk over and walk in? >> we would. call >> he is someone that we had to rule out completely and we did. that >> so if you're thinking in your line of work, the usual suspects, the usual suspects were not going to figure in this one. >> not the media. family >> defective is nelson ensured or realize they had on their hands, while homicide cops, he obtrusively. the first 48 hours of a case, usually you get a break. and there's something that says chase this, right? >> yes. normally you would get something within the first 48. hours >> so this is as baffling as it was. cruel >> exactly. it didn't make any sense. >> then came march 16th, 2009. six weeks after the lofton killings went two unsolved murders became four. >> and begin with a report of a stolen nissan maxima, just a couple of blocks away from where the lofton's had been killed. >> what is the nature of? emergency >> i just left my house about an hour ago and came back in my car was missing out of the port. detective shatner was on call that. night >> she's on the phone with the 9-1-1 call take, or she notices that her car comes zooming up from up here on the street, and comes by her at a fast rate of speed. that's my car. okay it just seems past me. wow. she sees it while she's on the phone. there comes, there goes. absolutely. >> police swarmed the neighborhood hoping to nab the car thief. he was nowhere to be found but police soon discovered the stolen car captured here on a cruisers dash camera. it was parked in the driveway of a vacant house engulfed in flames. firefighters called to the scene to extinguish the fire made agreeably discovery. two bodies burned beyond recognition. and the victims, another mother and her teenage daughter. >> dental records confirmed the identities of the bodies found monday in the trunk of the stolen car. 42 year old dolores dewitt and her daughter, 19 year old ebony dewitt. >> she worked at a nursing home and she love taking care of the elderly population. i mean, she loved those people. and they loved her. >> patricia smith remembers her sister dolores as a mother and nurse who worked hard to provide a good life for her two daughters, but always saved a little time for herself. >> she liked to go places. every year she would treat herself on vacation. she felt like she worked hard, she would play hard. >> and i've been? she was the livewire at family get togethers. >> we made everybody laugh. she just acted crazy until the end of the day. i mean, she loved life. >> the last person known to have seen ebony alive was her boyfriend. he told detectives that the previous night they have a late dinner, she was wearing her favorite blue sweater. then he drove her home, watched her go inside her house. the killer may have been waiting. and now, when police once again made no arrests within 48 hours of the murders, waiting too was a devastated patricia. >> i started going back to my sister's house. late at night, i would go and sit in the yard and just hoping that he would come back. i would sit there with a knife in my hand. and i will hold, i will hold it. like real tight just in case he came up on me or something. because it would be him or me. either him or me. and i told the detectives what i did. >> she couldn't sit still and do nothing. she wanted to be involved in the investigation from day one. she would actually go door to door in the neighborhood and talk to neighbors, try to ask them questions but i had to repeatedly explain to her that we can't have her interrupting our case. >> she's a thorn in your side. >> she is. but i understood because if my sister were killed, it would be hard for me to sit still too. >> so detective schartner made patricia a promise. >> we were sitting in the car and i remembered just crying and crying and crying. and then he promised me, he said i'm gonna get him. he said if it's the last thing i do. he said i'm gonna get him. >> to do that, detective shot near and nelson had to confront a terrifying question. >> you've got two murdered mother daughters within, across the fence, virtually. >> right. >> same neighborhood. so you're thinking are these things related? 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>> it seemed the dewitt's killer took immense risks to get rid of the bodies. >> you're talking about taking two women out of their house and transporting them to another location and then stealing a car, putting those dead bodies in the car, driving past the house that you just stole the car from, and then parking in a driveway of a vacant house, then setting that car on fire and walking away. >> and the autopsy also revealed that delores and ebony were strangled, not shot as the lofton's had been. it was a puzzle. were they dealing with a serial killer are not? >> did you think one guy was responsible for both these crimes? >> i would go back and forth. one day i would -- it was all in that it was the same person. the next day, i thought it wasn't. because both crimes are so different. >> then finally the detectives caught a break. they learned that a month before the dewitt murders, the owner of the stolen nissan maxima had been the victim of a break in. she reported it but at the time, told the police that nothing had been taken. now she noticed that her spare set of car keys was missing. >> so tony, as i understand your detective logic goes something like this. if i can find the person who broke in who stole the key but then use the vehicle to transport the bodies i'm getting close to my killer. >> exactly. it gives me direction to where i can find the killer. >> 200 police officers blanketed the area and brought in more than 80 people for questioning, all to no avail. for many prince georges county residents, home invasion victims vicky and lloyd ervin that meant only one thing, panic. >> it was crazy. i couldn't sleep at night. any sound, i had alarms put up throughout the entire house and plus we got the dog, -- >> and bars on the windows. >> yes. >> the house was turned into fort knox. a barking crazy dog who closet the windows if he hears a doorbell ring. there was no peace in the house. i was like, we have to turn some of this stuff down. i can't live like this because he's, like i don't care if this is going to save our, life you know? just the fear that spread was absolutely amazing. >> by july 2009, four months after the debate murders and six months after the lofton murders, detectives were stumped. >> we kept calling them and they weren't giving us no answers so that pisses me off because i felt like we deserved to know something. >> it was wild. we had nothing. >> we were out of the investigative playbook and that's when it got scary. >> the detective had made a promise to patricia that he would take down her sister's killer. with that turnout now to be an empty promise? at this point, what he needed was luck. and luck was about to come his way from the most unexpected source. coming up, an unassuming neighbor comes forward with some unbelievable information. >> at that point we realize that our investigation just took a drastic turn. >> when dateline continues. air wick. air wick's limited edition fragrances are infused with natural essential oils for authentic seasonal scents that fill your home with warmth and cheer. pizza lovers know marco's is the real deal. real fresh dough, real signature sauce, three real cheeses, topped with real meats. now get another real deal, unlimited medium 1-topping pizzas for $6.99 each. marco's. pizza lovers get it. just between us, you know what's better than mopping? 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>> we chased down all those leads, it took us several weeks, we came up with nothing. >> then, in july 2000, schartner got an unexpected tip. federal agents from the atf, the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms, had arrested two men for selling stolen weapons. they suspected one of them had also been involved in several burglaries in the area and his name was jason scott. >> jason scott lived two or three blocks away from the dewitt's house, -- so obviously that somebody i want to go talk to. the detective and the thief met in a police station. the subject was quick to deny he had anything to do with any of the burglaries, and looked to schartner like a pipsqueak. >> he was a small guy. he was meek. his voice was very low. he would not speak to me as you and i are speaking. he would only whisper. he would actually come up and only whisper in my ear. >> did you think i, have a suspect? here >> no. >> atf agents led the festering vegetation into the weapons theft, and they to how having a tough time trying to re-ad jason scott. >> unusually were pursuing the most violent criminals in the united states. for lack of a better word, you know, this guy was not a thug. >> in fact, jason turned out to be a college graduate and a valued employee at ups. >> we did a background check on him and really he had no criminal history. >> jason and his accomplice were charged with weapons theft and possession. given that neither had a criminal record, the judge released them pending trial. >> she had to basically make a decision, all right, you're not a flight risk, you're not a danger to the community, so both were released to home monitoring. >> so they could come and go. court is telling to the go and say no more, don't be stupid, don't be a bad guy. >> yes. >> but the atf agents were not about to lead jason scott walk away so easily. they suspected he had other coconspirators in the weapons theft, an instinct suggested he might be the kind of petty criminal that might be happy to throw others under the bus for a lenient deal. so the feds offer him a proffer session. sometimes called king for a day. in monopoly it's called get out of jail free card. it's an agreement between the prosecutor and suspect that essentially says, you tell us everything you know and we'll go easy on you. and the stuff to they spilled out, you will not come after me? that's the agreement? >> if we can't prove that any other way besides him telling, us than there is nothing you can't do. you can't use his statements against him when that statement is given in that proffer session. >> agents chuck black and company had been on the job for a long time. but will happen next them even them. >> we come into the room to conduct the session with jason scott. myself and dave chapped like around the side of the table. jason in his defense to turn air sitting across. for us we see jason is three pieces of paper in front of him on the table. david i look at the table, and see 40 different addresses. suddenly jason admits to breaking into all of these houses. not only that, nine of the houses he tells us he breaks into, like people up, finds guns at their heads and robs them of their valuables. at that point, we realize that we're not just dealing with the guys telling and stealing guns, our investigation just took a drastic turn. >> jason had rocked the federal agents off their script. there king for a day deal was about copping to the firearms charge, and here he was telling them instead that he and his accomplice marcus hunter made a living by pointing guns at so many people's heads, including during that botched home invasion of the ervin family. >> but he's got his deal, john. you can go after him on those burglaries, the home invasions. >> at that point, correct. >> he's home. he's got. free >> even better for jason, he believed that his accomplice marcus hunter alone would be left to take the fall for the crimes be. >> he figures that if i'm the one to testify against marcus, that will be his opportunity to lessen his sentence. >> smart, canaan, how good was this? guy >> he certainly had a plan and he had an idea of what he was trying to get away with. >> he was really a real life cabin mouse game for him. >> back at the county, detective shartner was floored when he heard from a colleague that the pipsqueak he had interviewed the week before had faced up to the majority of the unsolved home invasions and burglaries in the well-to-do neighborhoods of prince george's county. including one his colleague had been investigating. >> and i thought, oh good for you, you've got your glazed closed out. but i'm still here with four dead women that we have unsolved. and just out of curiosity, can you give me that list? >> when the detective plotted the addresses jason had pushed across the table on to a map, he couldn't believe the picture that emerged. >> is this an aha moment in your investigation? >> this is the aha moment. this is our first break in the case. >> coming up. -- >> we don't know if we have our guy. but we certainly now have something to investigate. >> the investigation was about to lead them here. something call the spooky house. and a federal officer on this case would soon be spooked himself. when dateline continues. so now, he wakes up feeling like himself. the reigning family room middle-weight champion. better days start with zzzquil nights. 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>> we know guys that break into houses and steal tv morph into a serial killer. we don't know if we have our guy, but we certainly now have something to investigate. >> detective schartner and nelson teamed up with atf agents to create a task force to solve the riddle of jason scott. >> when you guys talk to friends and family, trying to figure out who he was, did anybody tell you he was a nice guy? can't believe you've got him in the frame for? this >> nobody had anything like that to say about him. as a matter of fact, most people knew nothing about him. he was almost a ghost. >> a ghost, indeed. when investigators investigated items seized at jason's home, they found this, disturbing videos he apparently shot as he snuck around the neighborhood. turns out, jason scott was as scary a peeping taub as investigators have ever seen. >> video of someone walking through the woods, videotaping people through their homes in various states of dress and undress, getting ready for work or getting ready for bed. >> this is deeply creepy stuff. >> absolutely. >> the person who knew him best was marcus hunter, the accomplice first associated with jason scott. but marcus wasn't talking. investigators wondered, was he afraid of jason? another former coconspirator was telling investigators, jason was no wind across. >> he sensitive. >> so these kids would say, if i ever got into a fight with jason, jason wouldn't fight me back, but he'd be the type of guy to come back and burn my house down. >> three weeks after his deal, jason scott was still walking the streets and investigators knew enough about him to worry for their own safety. >> his animal was, he would specifically go and cut the power to these homes. so, one night sleeping, and i've become aware that the power is off in my house. >> so, knowing that jason knew my name and thinking that he could figure where i lived, i actually grabbed my gun and proceeded to tactically clear my house. just to make sure that he wasn't the reason for the power been out. a. as i work my way through the house and into the kitchen, i finally come up and i noticed that in the backyard, the entire neighborhood is dark. at that point in time, i take a sigh of relief and i realize it's not him. but that's how concerned i was. he's that dangerous of a guy, that i recognize he needed to be in jail. >> if jason scott was smart, the task force simply had to be smarter. and investigators notice, jason didn't seem to understand in important legal nuance, his proverb didn't come grant him immunity. the cops couldn't use his own words against him, but i could use the words of others. so, when investigators found that other accomplice of jason's, they grilled him. >> do you know about him to break into the house and take the cards? we >> yeah, -- a >> these details, he really mirrored what happened in the dewitt murders. >> he likes to steal car keys, spare keys. he likes to come back later and get that car. >> that was exactly with the case with the nissan, right? >> first. he likes to park carson vacant houses, preferably houses that were for sale. >> again, the torched car with the bodies. >> was a vacant house that was for sale. >> detective nelson nailed down several connections between jason scott and the first mother daughter murder. keogh jason's car, a dark blue toyota kammuri. it matched the description of the mysterious car one of the lofton's neighbors had seen. >> that could very well have been the vehicle the neighbor had seen the night of the killing. >> then investigators discovered another sticking piece of evidence, a video jason made of the victims of one of his home invasions. a mother and her teenage daughter. >> he brought her into her bedroom instead of a video camera. and in the process of setting up the camera in which he was going to, basically film him self sexually assaulting her, the kim and happen to pan right to his face and the screenshot showed us this. wow. >> this is what a lot of jason 's victims. saw it's cold, calculating eyes, lifeless. >> investigators were shocked. even more so when they dug up the old police report and noticed what the perpetrator they now knew to be jason, had blurted out to the mother and daughter just before he left. >> okay. here it is. >> he said he didn't to hurt us, but he said he was supposed to kill us. >> yet all the evidence was purely circumstantial, not enough to charge, let alone convict jason with murder. that was about to change. and it had to do with the one case police had plenty of evidence for, the weapons theft. when the agents talked to jason's about it, he mentioned the spooky house, an abandoned building off to be in path and upper marlborough. he said he is a complicated sweat to divvy up dilute. detective shark never had a spooky feeling he'd bought more than guns there. >> we're still trying to find the place or house or whatever where the do its were stored or kept for those 20 someone hours. >> so this spooky house, whatever it is, could be the place. >> absolutely. >> and according to jason's proffer, if his statements led to new evidence, that evidence could be used to prosecute him. >> my first thought, impressions were, that this was going to be like an old, rickety house, maybe falling apart. >> doesn't feel like writing this book you have set. >> it wasn't until we came here, that we realized there was a long driveway here that maybe make sense. >> there it is, hung? >> the spooky house was a georgian mansion up for sale. and like the property where the nissan was set on fire, vacant. >> what a hideaway to do whatever you want to do away from prying eyes, right? >> absolutely. at night, this is absolutely pitch dark. this is a playground that jason scott had. >> the task force called in the forensic team. >> we walk down here through these rocks here, and that's when i first initially saw the sweater, which is actually right down here on the rocks. >> it was the charred remains of a blue sweater, the kind ebony dewitt had warned the last time she had been seen alive. >> and once we saw that, we said hey, this is it, this is finally something. we're talking about a high-profile moment, we walked a little further down these rocks here, and then scattered within these weeds over here where the gene pieces. >> jeans that seem to match the fragments recovered from delores dewitt's baghdadi. >> the task force wondered whether they were beach tree leaves, the type that were found attached to delores dewitt's jeans. they brought an expert to those programs to identify the foliage. >> he pulled up here and he said this is the jackpot of beach trees. have any enron we're here, no question? >> but in two of us to get jason, the investigators needed more. in the meantime, they eliminated his accomplice as a murder suspect, so they hit him up again. and, when jason is talking, and if you don't, you'll be going to take the fall. >> that did it. marcus hunter finally agreed to cooperate. right away, he dropped a bombshell about jason. >> the specter of him becoming a monster juror grows with each and every stone that we overturn. >> coming up -- >> i think he truly thought he could outsmart us. >> could he? what would it take to put jason scott behind bars? when dateline continues. it's earned in every wash, and re-earned every day. tide. america's #1 detergent. for your most brilliant smile, crest has you covered. ♪♪ (laughing) nice smile, brad. nice! thanks? crest 3d white. 100% more stain removal. crest. rsv is in for a surprise. meet arexvy. 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[♪♪] almost six weeks after jason scott walked out of the prosecutors office with the potential stay out of jail deal in hand, they persuaded him his accomplice to cooperate. the king for a day was about to be dethroned. >> so marcus tells us a month earlier, prior to the dewitt family being killed, jason and here running through the backyard on a job. and jason stops and looks into the do its house and notices ebony, and he starts to stare at her. marcus gets uncomfortable and says, hey we can't stay here all. night we need to go. >> much more damaging, the accomplice told the task force that after yet another robbery, and approximately an hour before delores and ebony were killed, he'd given jason a ride to his car, parked just a block or so from the dewitt house. in the accomplice had more. >> he said there was at one point and it was during the time that the lofton's were murdered, that he had seen jason scott for a short timeframe, with a glock 17. >> a glock 17. the very weapon used to murder karen and karissa. >> i had one of our investigators try to find out who purchased glock 17's of the last two years, and then contact those people and find out if they can account for their handgun. any found out that a home was broken into 13 days before the lofton's were killed, and during that break in, their glock 17 handgun was stolen. >> and here is where detective nelson got lucky. the state of maryland requires handguns to be test fire before they are sold so it can archive eats gun shell casings to help identify, or trace the weapon should it be later used in a crime. >> we immediately took out the shell casings and had them compared to the known shell casings from that known handgun. and during that testing, they were able to verify that all six shell casings came from that one particular glock 17. that was the weapon that was used to kill both of my victims. once we found out where the murder weapon came from, that was used to kill the lofton's, need to find out of jason's guy ever had that gun in his hands. we asked his accomplice marcus hunter if they ever broke into a house in this one particular neighborhood. he said they did, it was only one house. we never told him which when it was and he looked took us directly to it. the house that the glock was stolen from that killed the lofton's. >> this far as the handgun goes, i think that was the nail in jason's coffin. we know he stole that weapon. >> did that solve the lofton murders? >> it got us as close as we are going to. get >> detective schatner and melted arrested jason's at his home in 2009. >> i remember telling him jason take a look at your house, this is last time you will see. it >> he didn't have a response, he just gave some type of noise. smacking his lips as if i'll be back. >> i think he truly thought he could outsmart us. and fortunately for bernie and i and the two agents from the atf we outsmarted him. >> and personally, the takedown of jason scott made the detective a promise keeper. >> he said i am going to get him. if it's the last thing i do. he said i am going to get him. and he got him. >> in exchange for his cooperation, marcus hunter got a reduced seven year sentence for weapons possession. it would be another three years before the atf and county police analyzed all the evidence against jason scott. when all was said and done he was sentenced to 85 years in prison. >> one of the things that the judge said, and i'll never forget this, he said you're not even a crime wave year a tsunami of crime. >> the satisfaction take down a guy like this? >> extreme. >> it was the proudest moment in my career. >> but jason did cut one final deal. in exchange for acknowledging the prosecutors had enough evidence to convict him for the dewitt, the state agreed not to prosecute him for the lofton. that did not sit well with the lofton family. but that's the best investigators thought they could do. >> the bottom line is we know jason is gone forever. he only has one life to give. we cannot punish him anymore than what he is already being punished. >> the serial killer, the master robber and burglar, will likely die behind bars. the neighbors he terrorized are safe again. but under some roofs, there's been damage to the concept of home as a sanctuary. take vicky and lloyd ervin. they've kept their burglar bars their home alarm system, they didn't know how much they needed that stuff until we fill them in. >> let me tell you something that, will probably freak you out in this comes from a guy number two in your house. he said, after the home invasion they came back. >> are you serious? >> he wanted another round, they parked in front of your place, did a little surveillance, sculpted out, and jason scott wanted to come back in and even the score. >> i didn't know that, that's scary. >> could've been your picture on the 11:00 news. >> that's. right >> how does one person cause so much damage and so much her in so much loss for so many people? it still blows my mind. >> that's all for this edition of dateline thank you for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning, welcome to a labor day weekend edition of morning joe. for the next two hours, we have got some of the week's top stories for you. so let's dive right in. the federal judge ruled rudy giuliani defamed two election workers in georgia following the 2020 election. that means he is liable for damages, which will be determined in assemble trial. several poll workers, rudy freeman and shaye moss sued giuliani over his baseless claims that he committed electorate flood. they testified to the jay

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