he is one of five who want their cases moved to federal court, he will plead his case in front of a federal jury, rather judge, on monday. and another critical hearing, set for monday in washington d.c., judge tanya chutkan, will decide the start date for trump's federal election trial. meanwhile, i trump to not suffer for skipping the first republican primary debate. trump maintaining a 44 point lead over ron desantis, and the morning consult survey. with 58% support, that is unchanged from before that debate. as trump's gop rivals struggle to find momentum, one republican candidate was confronted by a voter for not taking on trump more. >> you don't stand up to trump. how are you gonna stand up to the president of russia and china? >> -- i think the truth is that we're not standing up for trump. >> you are standing up for his past. you don't have -- you don't want to lose all his votes. i get you. when you go to russia, when you go to china, how honest and up and say, hey, how are you gonna do that? >> it is, you stand with the leaders -- >> but you're not standing against somebody who you don't accept. >> he's making a point. you are looking live right now in washington, d.c., where civil rights leaders are honoring the 60th anniversary of the march on washington. we're martin luther king jr. day liver to his famous speech. this year's theme is not a commemoration, a continuation. after the rally, the crowd will march to the mlk memorial, and earlier on msnbc, the king family discussed how the issues facing americans today are still so urgent. >> we should be further than where we are in our nation, around a range of issues. my dad and mom talked about eradicating the evils of -- poverty when, you look at poverty numbers. they are higher than they should be. in this great country. if we look at racism, it is at an all-time high. this is a better nation than we are exhibiting. >> we have reporters and analysts in place in georgia, to washington, to new york, covering all the angles of these historic stories. there is a lot to unpack for you. we're gonna get to it. as we go first to msnbc's julie tsirkin, at the fulton county courthouse for us. welcome, my friend, we have the final two co defendants have returned themselves in. just ahead of that deadline yesterday. what happens next? >> hey, alex. that means all 19 defendants charged in the georgia 2020 election interference case have surrendered. they've been fingerprinted. they've been photographed. a couple of miles at the jail from this courthouse, where i am now. and that includes, of course, former president trump. with that mugshot for history. you put it on the screen at the top of the show there. and the president, the current president, biden, in lake tahoe yesterday. here's what he had to say about that. watch. >> everything donald trump's mugshot yet? >> mister president, -- >> i did see it on television. >> what did you think? >> handsome guy. wonderful guy. >> so, a little bit of sarcasm there, perhaps, alex. when it comes to what the rest of this trial will look like, it's complicated. more complicated than the other three indictments of the former president. because there are 19 defendants. delay the trial. district attorney in fulton county wants to get this started as soon as possible she made that ambitious request of october 23rd for the proposed trial date because two defendants, kenneth chesebro and sidney powell, the former trump attorneys, who pushed some of these election fraud conspiracy theories they read a request for a speedy trial, which in georgia, it means that needs to happen within the next four months. or they could potentially move to have their cases dismissed. the problem though, all of these are linked together for now. they have to separately move and make a formal request to sever their cases. the former president already indicated, october 23rd is a no go. he didn't think march fourth, better regional day that funny was proposed, would happen. he's trying to delay this trial and the other three until after the 2024 election. so well that's happening, you also have some of these defendants moving to dismiss their cases altogether. you mentioned mark meadows, the former chief of staff, he's gonna have that first hearing on monday to see if he can do it. he's citing his role as a federal official during the time of this election. which is why he thinks this case should be moved to federal court, ultimately, he hopes to have it dismissed altogether. it's just another example of how complicated and tangled this case is. and we're far from seeing when this trial will actually start to take place. we do know, however, september 5th, that week at some point, all these defendants will be arraigned. we don't know if it'll be virtual or in person. >> all, right we're gonna see if there's a little more to come on monday. we'll find out with mark meadows. at least that's in place to start, julie, thank you for that. right now, civil rights leaders and hundreds of groups are rallying in washington, d.c.. the very same place where martin luther king jr. day littered his historic i have a dream speech, 60 years ago. my colleague nbc's jermaine lee is at the rally for us. jermaine, welcome. how are the people there honoring this in every? >> i'll tell you what, thousands of people from all across the country, as you mentioned, hundreds of organizations, have descended upon washington, d.c.. to literally walk in the footsteps of history. they're not just walking in history, they're hoping to walk into the future as well. as you mentioned, organizers have build this as not a commemoration, but a continuation. so, i had a chance to sit with martin luther king the third, and his wife andrea waterskiing. and their daughter 15 years old, yolanda king. to talk about what this moment means. again, not just reflecting on the past, but looking forward. take a listen. >> this large rally today it's the most constant push of one that we've had. probably since 1963. over the last several years, a lot of the hard won gains of the civil rights movement, literally being a raced in front of our eyes. or at a point in history, where we are seeing oppression being legislated, what we hope today is to awaken the conscience of america. into let everyone know, 1963 was the beginning. and that today, we need to rededicate ourselves to the efforts. >> unfortunately, many of the racial and economic gaps that exist 60 years ago in america have not only been maintained, but i've actually grown worse. now, folks are seeing the erosion of voting rights, the erosion of women's rights. autonomy over the own body. we'll talk about the assault on voting rights. folks here reflecting, trying to gain lessons from the past. also, poised to move towards the future. alex? >> yep, still a lot of work to be done. all, right tremaine lee, thank you for that. for keeping an eye on everything. there will be coming back to during the show on this really momentous day in d.c.. coming up next, everyone, we're gonna talk about the trump legal case in georgia. another defendant is now asking for a speedy trial. her name is very familiar to you. the impact on the case as a whole, next. as we continue to follow the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, we'll be back in 60 seconds. 60 seconds meet the team... behind the team. the coach. the manager. and the snack dad. all using chase to keep up with their finances. the coach helps save goals here, because she saved for soccer camp there. anddd check this out... the manager deposited a check. magic. and the snack dad? he's getting paid back. orange slicesss. because this team all has chase. smart bankers. convenient tools. one bank with the power of both. chase. make more of what's yours. 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(vo) subaru is the national park foundation's largest corporate donor, helping expand access for all. back now again with the rally, looking a live look at the rally, marking the 16th anniversary of the march on washington. a powerful group of changemakers and activists, all speaking before today's march. that begins a couple hours from now. we're gonna bring you more from those events, and a few minutes. first, we're gonna bring in more another top story we're covering today. you probably know what it is. mugshots have been snapped, fingerprints are in the books. and now, donald trump in his 18 codefendants at the georgia election interference case, they're all getting ready for a potential arraignment, the week of september 5th. and the codefendants are already at odds, five of them are looking to move the case to federal court. a judge will hear mark meadows motion to do that on monday. three others are making their case to make it a federal court by claiming they became false electors, but at the direction of donald trump. into codefendants are asking for speedy trials, despite trump's move to slow things down, which could be a trial date as early as october 23. then one of trump's codefendants remains behind bars. that man, harrison floyd, the former leader of black voices for trump, was denied bond, because the judge called him a flight risk. i'm not bringing my panel, join me right here in new york in the studio, no less. katie fang, attorney and host of the katie phang show, here on msnbc weekends. and hugo lowell, political investigations reporter from the guardian. you guys, it's so good to have you here. >> let's get into this. you are in atlanta, katie, right? you are there, you saw these codefendants go one by one, into the fulton county jail, all 19 of them. next steps are what? tell me what d a fani willis wants to do, and whether she is likely to get it done her way? >> so, the next step is, she wants to have the arraignment the week of september 5th, which time's ticking. that's gonna come up in the next couple weeks. in the meantime, we have a couple of major developed tonight at the beginning of the segment. one, we do have a trial date set of october 23rd, which is just in two months. for kenneth chesebro. he demanded a speedy trial. sydney powell, literally, cut and pasted his actual demand for a speedy trial, didn't shape the gender from his to her. >> seriously? >> seriously. >> come on. >> verbatim. we don't have a trial date, there is a possibility that maybe she can get a trial date as quickly as the end of october as well. by judge mcafee. in the meantime, we have our eyes set on monday, very important hearing on monday. mark meadows is the canary in the coal mine, as i like to say. he's floating that test balloonist with or not he qualifies as a federal official to remove his case to federal court. i'd like to remind people, it's actually a two-step process. can you get in the door to federal court, can you stay in federal court? it's really actually a pretty low bar in terms of standard to get into federal court. whether he succeeds in getting his cases dismissed, because of the supremacy clause, which gives him purported immunity for the actions he took, when he was chief of staff, it's left to be seen. >> one last quick note, though there is a second bucket of people that are trying to get a federal court, alex. those are the georgia fake electors that have been charged in this scheme. there's three of them. they have a very novel concept to get into federal court. they're saying, as a, quote, what is the word they used, contingent, presidential elector. >> okay. >> i was acting as a federal official. so, i got to go to federal court. that is a completely novel theory, it's gonna be left to be seen as to whether that is successful. >> what are you hearing, kenneth chesebro and now, i guess, sydney powell, feminine, though in a mask, and i don't know she didn't cross that he and art that i. having said, that does this give them the likelihood of a trial beginning earlier, and then separating off from the rest of them? fani willis wanted all 19 to be tried together. how much do these little jigsaw pieces moving about the board, how much is that complicating things for her? >> i think it complicate anything for that form of difficult ernie. we had reported two weeks before the indictment, she was ready to go to trial as soon as anyone else want to go to trial. i think, if you look at what the doctor tierney's office was doing in the lead up to the charges coming down, prepping for the pre trial motions, potential appeals coming down. they, have already explored all these avenues. if you look at the findings of the district attorney in the mark meadows case, for removal. she's already talking about the hatch act. already talking about why mark meadows doesn't have the ability to stay, in federal court. she jumped the gun almost a little bit with some of her arguments. i think that's indicative of whether the district tierney's office is, their effort can chesebro to be saying, well, you know, we want to go to trial quickly. because we're not sure if the aid was gonna be ready. that was a gamble, it doesn't into a paid off. >> that's a point you're making. you said it's easier that the bar is low to get into federal court, but staying there is a challenge. why? >> yeah, because, you have to be able to show that the actions that you took, when you are a federal official, in the context that's being alleged the indictment, it's clearly criminal in nature. so, you have to be able to say that it was in colorable defenses. it was colorable acts that were taken under official role as you are working as a federal official. now, there is some case law in the 11th circuit, which controls what we're doing in georgia, alex. that says, you know what? you can get to federal court, but do you really have a plausible defense to stay in federal court. so, the judge could say, and i want to emphasize this, this is an evidentiary hearing. mark meadows may have taken a very bad gamble and risk by doing so. you have the burden, if your mark meadows, to prove i should be in federal court. he asked to present, and he has to present evidence on monday. fani willis has sent subpoenas to people like brad raffensperger. she's prepared to review any evidence that he puts in his case. so, we're looking at a mini trial of sorts on monday, in front of this federal judge. >> so, then what is mark meadows strategy then? i mean, you're saying he's taking a huge gamble. what kind of a strategy, if you're advising him, what do you say that you think can work for him? >> i think he's trying to show that, hey, i was acting out of the blessings of a federal office. i am here, and i should not be in state court to be prosecuted. i must be in federal court. oh, and hey, by the way, you're never gonna be able to really succeed when i'm in federal court, because i have this immunity and claiming under the supremacy clause. he's testing the waters. in some ways, to, the flip side, what does he have to lose? he gets kicked back to state court. still has it available defenses. he's still looking at the same charges. it's just, he's trying to see, whether i can actually get himself in federal court first. >> okay. hugo, monday, you're gonna be covering the trump hearing, but you're gonna be inside the u.s. district judge tanya chutkan's d.c. courtroom, right? that will be on monday. she's gonna set the trial date for trump's case. wildly differing opinions from prosecution and defense, really. it's like two, years to have years between start dates. when do you see a viable start date for that particular case? i guess it's january 2nd. that's what's being proposed of next year. all the way to what march, april of 2026. where does this land, does it come down before the election? >> i mean, i think the expectation is, we're gonna be before the election. that's partly because the date proposed by trump's lawyers was so out there that it's the kind of thing that a federal judge will look at and say, you know, this is ridiculous. they are proposing april 2026 for a potential trial date, because they got to the state because they were looking at what they call the median time it took four other trials in the statute that trump is charged on, to go from the start of indictment to sentencing. that is a period that includes the trial, the jury selection, the verdict, and then you get sentencing. so, they've already misleading about the date. they're also representing the judge, there's so much discovery that they needed to get through, they're making these comparisons, if you pointed out all of the discovery, tore down the washington malignant, reading a tolstoy novel. several hundred times. but a lot of the materials already been in the public domain. a lot of discovery material is trump's own material. one of the points of the government made, which was kind of, it explained itself because they're, like you know, you could use keyword search. you can do control f and find what you need. >> control f. >> trolling them. >> honestly. donald trump can make the argument, oh, we don't have the staffing for this. you can hire more people to go through all of the discovery, right? there's nothing preventing him from doing that. >> yeah, absolutely. look, trump has its own issues there, because it has been a struggle for him to find lawyers who are willing to take him on as a client, willing to take this case. that is part of the impediment. i think the judge in the previous hearing was sympathetic to the trump lawyer saying, look, we'll have more people. the government has 60 people in detail, the special counsel's office. that being said, a lot of the facts in this case have been public. we have the january six committee, it's not like they've seen all this material for the first time. these are not novel necessarily constitutional issues. so, if you factor all of that into play, you can probably put together a good defense, or collab or defense, in 15 to 20 months. >> do you have a guesstimate? an educated guesstimate of what you think this will start? >> the way i look at this, i look at other cases, we have similar, let's, say volumes of discovery. there are cases with 60 200 million pages of discovery. those go to trial in 15 months. 29.2 months? that's a little excessive. >> yeah. >> i think you're gonna see a late spring, early summer trial date, 2024. >> okay. deadly preelection. okay, thank you both, good to have you in studio. >> yay. >> for all of, you will get more of katie by watching the katie phang show, weekend mornings at 8:00, only here on msnbc. we're gonna take you back to washington, to talk about today's rally and march, and whether america's living up to those precious words of the declaration of independence. we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal. back in a moment. back in a moment mlb chooses t-mobile for business for 5g solutions... ...to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. we used to struggle with greasy messes. now, we just freak, wipe, and we're done! with mr. clean clean freak, conquering messes is that easy. clean freak's mist is three times more powerful, and it works on contact. clean freak, just freak, wipe, done. ♪ shelves. shelves that know what taste buds want. shelves smart enough to see, sense, react, restock. ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. it's not just designed to look good... it's built to command attention. it's not just a comfortable interior... it's a quiet refuge. they're not just headlights... they light the way forward. the new fully electric audi q8 e-tron models... ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ [it's the final game, folks. this one wins the series.] struck out with the cheap seats? 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60 years later, where are we as a nation? >> fulfillment is a tricky word. we are squarely still in the midst of trying to live up to the principles that defined our democracy. i think the porn first wonder stand how complex that moment was, 60 years ago. that john, luis that young man right there, remember, there is a big controversy around his speech. the archbishop, the catholic bishop of washington, d.c., bishop -- almost refused to give the invocation, because he thought was speech was too radical. what are the young john lewis say? he said this legislation that is being proposed is too little, and it's too late. when we begin to think about the context of that march, what happened before, what happened after. we can understand, we've been on a very complex journey until now. >> one of 2%, for sure. kaneisha, let's get to one of the big issues in 1963. it was voting rights. in the 2023 federal government, it's still being pressed into action against efforts to disenfranchise black voters now in alabama. jackson, mississippi's creation of a white voting on cleave in a majority black district, florida, the new restrictions there on voter registration. you have texas, where officials are denying help to spanish language voters. right here in neighboring new jersey, there's a county there which has entered a consent decree to publish voting materials in spanish. why does it feel like it's consistently one step forward, but two steps back? >> it probably feels familiar, because all this harkens back to a historical thing that we know as a white primary. it was the case that southern democrats sought to make sure that black voters could not participate in a meaningful way by closing those elections of two individuals who were not white, or whose grandfathers could not participate in politics, all this feels familiar because it is familiar. and we know that voting is a very important way to get things accomplished. it's impossible to make the government move without eventually having to engage in a legislator, engage an elected official. so, all these attempts to prevent individuals from voting or attempts to keep our country locked into a place in the past, instead of moving forward as it should. >> there was also, rachel, economic equality. that was the second limb of the 1963 march. and the wealth gap between black hispanic and white white households. it remains a huge area of segregation, here's how former president obama described it ten years ago at the 2013 march. take a listen. >> the test was not, and never has been, whether the doors of opportunity are correct a bit wider for a few. it's whether our economic system provides a fair shot for the many. for the black custodian in the white steel worker. the emigrant dishwasher and the native american veteran. to win that battle, to answer that call. this remains our great unfinished business. >> both the trump and biden administrations, at one point or another, have taken credit for historically low unemployment rates for african americans. but why is the wealth gap unmoved? and what can be done from a policy perspective? >> well, looking at what president obama said, it's because this is simply unfinished business. when you have black households having $24,000 worth of wealth and white houses having up to $189,000 worth of wealth, this should show that the wealth gap is renewed segregation. look, it's gonna take more than just dei an issue lives, and hiring more black people, and increasing promoting black people, and higher pay to close the wealth gap. there's been studies that show it's gonna take trillions of dollars to close the wealth gap between black and white in this country. some of those studies say, look, we don't have to do it through taxes. we can do it through government bonds. but we also, the important thing here, alex, also, we have to address the conditions which led up to the wealth gap existing in the first place. that's credit. that's housing. employment discrimination. incarceration rates. until we also address those things, unfortunately, i think we're gonna see this as a pervasive issue that will be discussing here in 2023 to 2033. >> yeah. of course, eddie, i can't mention former president obama, and not bring up this moment from the debate earlier this week. the gop debate. take a listen to what we're talking about here. >> who that heck is this skinny guy with a funny last name, and what the heck is he doing in the middle of this debate stage? the hope of the mill worker son who dares to defy the odds, the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that america has a place for him to. [applause] >> you see any eye early in the fact that vivek ramaswamy is trying to channel barack obama, similarities there, using his words to his supporters? he's running as trump lite, as you know. what goes through your mind when you hear that? >> well, it's not only ironic, it's deeply disturbing and insidious in a certain way. it's a kind of play to a crude identity politics at the very moment, in which he's rejecting and criticizing it. vote for this kid with the funny name, right? and trying to establish solidarity in that moment. we look at the agenda of ramaswamy, we think about what the republican party stands for. they stand over and against everything that this -- represents. this anniversary represents. it seems to me. i hear, in their, rhetoric in the position and nullification. when we talk about voting rights. that's the same language that dr. king used and i have a dream speech, remember, january of 1963, when george wallace was inaugurated. what does he say? i draw a line in the dust. and i tossed the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, of course, federal government intrusion on the states. i tossed the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny. and then he says, segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. and king is responding to that moment, remember, it's the birmingham movement. that frames this moment. and what is the response to the march in 1963. september 15th, the 60th anniversary of the 16th street bombing. the november jfk is dead. then we have to place this in context if we're to understand the journey to now. >> yeah. one or 2%. so glad your history performance. good heavens. on to you, another professor, keneshia, there is the new cdc report, it shows one in five women feels mistreated during maternity care. 40% of black and multiracial women are reporting discrimination. this is in addition to the stats that show black women in their babies or almost three times more likely to die during pregnancy or childbirth. the nypd's. but no policy or legislation can fix this. how do we tackle systemic medical bias? >> i think we have to start with calling systemic medical bias what it is, it's racism. it's a thing that i have, fortunately, come into contact with recently. i'm a mom now, which is a new development since the last time i was with you. and i can't describe to you how difficult it is to be worried at every turn about whether you're getting the care you deserve, or whether somebody is treating him differently based on the color of your skin, or based on what they perceive to be who you are in society. so, i think we have to start with calling a thing a thing, and saying that people see black women, or see women of color, see poor women, and assume that they are other in some way. assume that the things that they experience, that they are impoverished for, example, are their fault. we have to see these women as equal human. we have to understand that they are people who have pain. and who experience pain, and the same way that you might be experiencing pain, if you're listening to this and you're not from one of those communities. we have to make the case that we have systems in place that acknowledge that, for example, at the hospital i ended up in, i had a nurse who told me, she understood that it was not enough to treat me the same as she might treat her white patients. but to be especially concerned with me, because she knows what the outcomes are for black women, the same was true for the doctor ahead, they went over and above, knowing what the outcomes are for black women. because they wanted to be sure that i had the care that i needed. so, i think if we could have that kind of system that applied to all women, we've been a much better place, as far as the mortality rate is concerned. >> all i can say, keneshia grant, being a mom, i'm sure your mom baby is blessed to have you as a mother. the keneshia grant, that's one fortunate. maybe congrats on. that that's good news. rochelle ritchie, let me ask you about police reform. that's yet another big issue. it remains in limbo, since congress failed to get it over the finish line. here's a brand new headline, it's from new york city your, city, as the nypd has stopped tens of thousands of people under mayor adams, just 5% were white. they are including the traffic and pedestrian stops. big picture, what do you think is happening here? >> i mean, this is another battle. it seems every single year, we are regurgitating the same information, the same talking points, when it comes to police reform. i, personally, alex, i'm a person where i think that all politics really is local. i think, until we start really addressing the police bill of rights, we are gonna continue to see this sort of discrimination, we're going to continue to see police brutality, because the police bill of rights is what's truly protecting officers and preventing them from being held accountable for their discrimination and their brutality. >> all, right my thanks to all of you. you're not going anywhere, eddie and keneshia, we're gonna continue this conversation a few minutes. rochelle, please stay with me. we're gonna ask you about this headline. lock him up, a new poll has some bad news for trump. 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. ♪ ♪ ♪ it's your verizon. we are taking a live look at the memorial to dr. martin luther king junior, as thousands of people gather in washington, d.c. today, to honor the 60th anniversary of the march on washington. we're gonna be taking you live to some of those events, surrounding today's march. first, bring you more now on some of the other stories that we're covering today. beginning with donald trump, who's trying to put a stop to any post-debate momentum for his gop rivals. the former president, who of course, skip the debate, is now capitalizing off his surrender in georgia. trump campaign using his mugshot to fund-raise and sell merchandise like what you're seeing there. his base maybe shelling out money, but a new poll finds more than 50% believe trump's guilty in the documents and both election subversion cases. just below 50% think he's guilty in the falsifying business records case. now, in that same poll, 50% say trump should go to prison if convicted. in the doj's election case. and 32% say they're less likely to support trump if he's found guilty in that case. back with me now, once again, rachel ritchie. rachel, team trump is making money off this mugshot. the question is for how long. because this photo, it might appeal to his base, it's primary season, sure. but will that photo ultimately help democrats in the general election, if trump ends up being the republican nominee? >> you know, i am not really sure that the mugshot is going to help democrats win an election. when i saw the photo, alex, i can tell you i was not excited, i wasn't celebrating it at all. this is something to pacify him. he still has to go through the legal process, he still has to be found innocent or guilty. until we get to that level, i think that's when there's a time for celebration, whether you're for or against trump. i do, however, find it interesting, the biden administration also fundraised off of this mugshot. let's not forget, after it was released, biden posted it would be a good day to donate to his campaign. this is why you have people thinking that our politics, if we weaponize through this arrest the charge in the mugshot, of donald trump. >> there is that new morning consult poll, it shows that trump didn't suffered all for giving the debate. maintaining a 44 point lead over ron desantis. does that surprise you? and does it tell you he's likely to skip the debates. >> not at all. let's not forget, during that debate, the moderators asked the candidates, would they still support donald trump being the nominee, despite all of his legal woes. everyone, except, i believe, christiane hutchinson, raised their hand. it's no surprise that the numbers are still so the same. interesting, enough during that tucker carlson interview, trump actually said he didn't feel he needed to be, there because one, he was doing so well in the polls, why am i gonna waste my time? he also suggested that he was going to be harassed, and that the network that was holding the debate wasn't very friendly to him, which i found pretty humorous. >> yeah. vivek ramaswamy, and chris christie, that the only two, in fact, candidates from that poll who had their support increase after the debate, albeit by just one point. so, did any other trump alternatives, did they emerge from the debate with momentum? is there evidence of anyone being able to break out and catch trump? >> well, i thought that nikki haley actually did quite well. i liked the fact that nikki haley actually stood up against mike pence when it came to discussing the support for abortion. she really exposed the truth of the fact that the senate is not in support of some of the abortion policies that are out there, despite what the american public might want. i thought she did well. i thought she also really held ramaswamy to the fire on national policy, and exposed a little bit of his ignorance, when it comes to russia, when it comes to israel. so, i think she did well on that. ramaswamy, i mean, listen, i was watching, i was thoroughly entertained by him and his very big smile. but i think that he may be trying to position himself as a vp pick if trump does become the nominee. >> interesting thought. i've heard it as well. let's go lastly with political, without trump onstage, this debate showed what a post trump republican party might look like, saying, it still influenced by trump. and the populist energies he's unleashed. how are democrats viewing? it what does trump's influence mean for 2024 and beyond? >> i mean, the thing with trump, he's going to be a huge influence up until 2024, as he goes through these legal challenges, we're not going to get away from hearing about him. but i think the republicans candidates kind of failed to do, is to really separate themselves from trump. it seemed they were really fighting more amongst themselves, not showing why they should be the pick over trump. interesting enough, you can see that biden wants to go up against trump. trump wants to go up against biden. the democrats have to figure out, can biden beat anybody else but trump? can he be a nikki haley? can he be around desantis? if trump is not the nominee, i think biden is gonna have a real fight on his hands to be reelected. >> okay, rachel richie, thank you so. much looking for to seeing you again. >> in the meantime, thousands gathered in washington right now, coming up next, we're gonna hear from some of the people in the crowd about why it was so important for them to come out today. ...to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. 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>> look, alex, no surprise that iowa was the first stop for governor desantis after that debate where he has tried to capitalize on the momentum on that when that you mentioned polls are indicating for the florida governor. this is a state where he is investing really heavily. look, from what we're seeing on the ground here, he does seem to be getting a lot of momentum. we're in a very small town right now. he had a pretty good sized crowd at vfw hall here. i've gotta tell you, alex, look, i know the numbers show, trump is way ahead in the polls, but when you are on the ground here, it does not feel like trump has this in the bag. almost every voter, i mean, here in iowa, is undecided. what surprises me, alex, i'm meeting voters who say, they are considering trump, but they're also considering others. that's surprising. you think people who are considering the former president, that he would be their only guy. he's not. in, fact i'm meeting a trump desantis voters. including a voter i want to play some sound from yesterday, a voter that asked the florida governor to, essentially, give him his pitch. he said, i'm deciding between you, and understanding between donald trump. tell me why i should pick you. and here is part of his answer. >> i'm more likely to get elected. it's very important. i could go to terms, he'd be a lame duck on day one. he can't get elected. i think are more likely to follow through on doing what i have said i would do. >> that ball was the number one reason people were voting for him. and they don't even put up any wall for like two years into the administration. for me, it'll be a national -- on day one. >> look, alex, i'm not making any predictions, all i'm saying, it is unpredictable. look, that voter, and all of the other folks that i'm talking to, they've got four plus months to mold their decision. that really is an eternity in politics. and we know the numbers, but there's softness in those numbers. and in iowa, folks are shopping around, they're going to all of these different events. and they're really taking this very, very seriously. and there's a lot for them to consider, alex? >> there sure is. okay, dasha, thank you so much for that. from iowa. we're gonna go from there, back to the nation's capital, where thousands are honoring the 60th anniversary of the march on washington. msnbc's antonia hylton is joining us from that rally. antonia, welcome. what you heard from folks there about this significance today? how meaningful is it for them to actually be there in washington? >> it's immensely meaningful, alex. what people described to me right, now they feel a sense of urgency. not just out of respect for the fact that this is the 60th anniversary, that 60 years ago, more than 200,000 people were here to listen to doctor king's message that day. and to re-commit themselves to a fight for civil rights. and really lay the groundwork for the passage of the voting rights act in 1964. but for them, there is a real reflection, where at this moment in history right now, where especially, for many of the young people who are here today, alex, they feel like they're seeing an erosion of the rights that they know their parents and their grandparents fought so hard for. voting rights, reproductive rights, environmental justice issues. all these different groups and organizations are here to talk about that. they have coordinated in advance. there are people who have taken bus trips together, who have done road trips from all over the country, spoken of people from alabama today. and from north carolina. who tell me they felt they had to be here, to step in this moment, and really reinvigorate themselves for what they believe is a fight ahead. take a look to a conversation i had with my mom from north carolina, who better to young kids with her. >> my purpose is to, first and foremost, invite my kids, to let them know that they are the generation that is coming up. -- they have to continue what dr. martin luther king started 60 plus years ago. my main focus is for them to see what inclusion and equality, the continuation of the dream that our ancestors, and those who paved the way for us, so they can finish it. keep it going. >> i asked her son what he knows about dr. king. how he was feeling. he told me that he wouldn't be here without dr. king, if he hadn't marched, he's not sure he would have the opportunity to come to an event like this one. i've also spent the day talking with some of the elders who are here. many of whom are hanging out in the shade, who aren't out here on the pavement right in front of the stages. who themselves, actually came here when they were little kids, to see dr. king's original speech. i spoke to one woman, who's had health issues. she's in her 80s. she felt like she still had to be here, my own grandparents were actually here for the speech 60 years ago. so, there's a story about the young generation coming up. and the lessons they've learned from this movement. there are also many of the people who are the originals who laid the groundwork for all of us, who are here taking in this moment. and trying to remind many of the young people coming up behind them, they still have a long way to go, they should still be out here fighting, making sure their voices are heard. and just knowing that, to the extent that they can, this group of elders, this older generation, is here to support them along that entire journey, alex. >> that is so cool. wherever your grandparents may be, antonia, i'm sure they're proud of you being the, doing the work that they started 60 years ago. i'm sure that's wonderful. i'm glad to hear that as well. here is something, though everybody, i have some sad news to bring all of you. it's news just into us. the legendary television and game show host, bob barker, has died. he was 99 years old. his very lengthy career of more than 50 years includes 35 years as the iconic host of the price is right, unimpressive 19 emmy awards. he was honored with. we're gonna take a longer look at his career and talk to npr's eric -- about it. it just a few minutes. we'll be back in a moment. moment. 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(vo) make the switch. it's your business. we are giving you a live look it's your verizon. at the events, honoring the 60th anniversary of the march on washington. that march back in 1963, drawing a quarter of 1 million people, and laying the groundwork for the civil rights movement, as we give you a look at the actor, sovereign cohen there at the podium. today celebration come as president biden is preparing to meet with doctor king's family, and organizers of the original march. monday's gathering will be held six decades after president john f. kennedy and king met at the white house in 1963. nbc's shaquille brewster is with the president, near lake tahoe and truckee, california. shaq, welcome. i know this is just one part of a larger event to commemorate this historic day. what else does the white house have planned? >> that's right, alex. white house officials are previewing a series of events with the president and vice president on monday to commemorate this important anniversary. starting with an oval office meeting in the afternoon, with members of the king family, as you mentioned. original organizers of the march and other community leaders. that's a nod, a historical, not to the meeting that you saw with president kennedy and dr. king 60 years ago. in the afternoon, i should, say late evening, we'll see the president host a reception for the lawyers committee for civil rights under law. you can expect to hear remarks from the president, and really, just commemorate the 60th anniversary of that group, a group that president kennedy pushed for to advance civil rights for people of color in this country. alex, if you listen back to antonia's report, this is all coming against the backdrop of real struggle for folks. you have many people, saying they're still fighting, for fighting to protect those rights that many people call for 60 years ago. where voting rights are under attack across the country. where the supreme court struck down the use of affirmative action, where you see the rise of threats of political violence. more luther king the third was on msnbc this morning, speaking a little bit about that tension. i want you to listen to a little bit of what he said and how we put it. >> this is a better nation than we are exhibiting. first, what we have to figure, out how do we come together? how do we bring civility back to the political discourse? we used to be able to disagree without being disagreeable. which is what my father and mother taught. now, we have an all-time high. we must ultimately, my dad would say, learn how to live together as brothers, or we might perish as fools. >> meanwhile, the white house is touting their actions from executive orders on police reform to judicial nominations to black unemployment. they're saying that they are making progress. of course, alex, we know there's more to do. >> there's a lot more to do, indeed. thank you so much, appreciate that. good to see you, check. we have another hour, starting right now. right now. >> a very good at all of you, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we have giving you this breaking news, we mention just a few minutes ago. legendary host of the price is right, bob barker, has died. he was 99 years old. msnbc's joe fryer takes a look back at his life and legacy. >> come on down! >> come on down. >> those three words is all it took. >> come on! down >>