separate from trump in the fulton county. will donald trump be held accountable for a coup attempt before election day? >> to that end, my office will seek a speedy trial in this matter. >> what to expect from the big hearing in d.c., when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. by now i'm guessing you have almost to the seen donald trump's mugshot. he was arrested yesterday evening on fulton county, georgia. on the washington post, as well as the new york post, the new york daily news, and i would imagine countless others around the world. here it is, donald trump, identification number, p 01135809. that's a number the ex president was assigned when he arrived at atlanta's notorious fulton county jail, also known as the race streak jail, a it's overcrowded and has been under lawsuits for its conditions. a little after 7:30 pm last night. he was arrested, booked, fingerprinted, mugshot was taken, and he was released on bail, which, again, if you know anything about the conditions in the jail, it's good for him. according to the jails booking sheet, little trump's, apparently, six foot three and 215 pounds. i imagine you have seen that as well. it appears the information, to sort this out, with self reported by the ex president, not corroborated by officials at the jail. as i said last, night we first got his information, if two, when make john trump all most identical in size to lamar jackson, quarterback for the baltimore ravens. maybe keep trump in mind for your fantasy draft this week. the ex president scheduled his arrest for primetime hours last night on purpose because he wanted to make a spectacle out of the event. not everyone wanted the arrest to be quite as public, which, again, who can blame them? five more of trump's codefendants turned themselves in during the wee hours of the morning today, including jeff clark, former department of justice official, he's the one in the top left of your screen. he's the one trump wanted to installers attorney general as part of the scheme to use the justice department overturn the 2020 election. to be fair, kirk probably had enough exposure for one lifetime when the fbi raided his home last year while he was in his underpants. by now all 19 of the accused racketeers in the trump case have been booked and processed. this is the full picture of the criminal enterprise charged in this indictment by fulton county district attorney fani willis. as of now, at least one of them, can chesebro, is on track to start his trial in less than two months. interestingly, a new poll from ipsos shows that a clear majority of americans want to see trump go to trial quickly, at least in jack smith federal election interference case. 61% of all respondents say trump should go to trial before the next election. it includes a clear majority of independents, overwhelming majority of democrats, even a third of republicans. as you see on the chart, the yeses are way bigger than the nose. they're like 2 to 1. there's a lot of don't knows, but there's a real asymmetry there. 63 to 14 among independents. 22% don't now. as i've said many times before, it is in everyone's best interests, democrats, republicans, independents, the republican party, american democracy, for trump to go to trial as soon as possible. honestly, i suspect that 61% would even rise in the coming weeks. we do, after all, live individual world, and i think the ineligible image of trump's mugshot has broken through to the public consciousness. it has become part of the culture in a way that simple reports of his indictments cannot or even the indictments themselves. that intention can cut both ways. trump clearly thinks the mud shot is good for him. he is fundraising off it. he's t-shirt, posters, mugs, beer cozies, bumper stickers, on and on. he even returned to twitter, for the first time he was banned to share thought a rating never surrender under photo of him literally surrendering. and to sell more mug shot junk. trump has made the calculation that notoriety, fame, attention, whether positive or negative, just attention, is its own kind of power. you know, indisputably, it has been part of his power. i think it's obviously how he got elected in 2016, particularly how he won that republican primary. i don't think trump was happy to get arrested yesterday. you could hear he wasn't. but he's trying to make lemonade out of lemons. from his perspective, at the very least, his arrest has overshadowed wednesdays debate, where more potential voters than expected tune into watch rivals compete for the republican nomination without him bullying his way through. that's the same debate where the majority of the field pledged to support trump, even if he was convicted. >> if former president trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your parties toys? please raise your hand if you would. [applause] >> six out of eight, although ron desantis did check up and down the line before he decided. the idea that his notoriety izzo strong, the cult of personality so unshakable that even those around him say they would support him if he was convicted of a felony or multiple felonies. at that point, according to a brand-new navigator survey, a clear majority of americans, 62%, think trump committed a crime. again, look at the disparity between yes and no. 62% yes, only know 30%. there's a big not sure. at the same time, there split 42 to 41 on the question of trump will be convicted. i think that last is pretty telling. there is a learned helplessness among some trump opponents, fully internalizing his image as teflon don, they see trump regal his way out of trouble time and time again. so even though a clear majority of voters think trump is guilty, they do not think he will be convicted. maybe he'll be acquitted. certainly not a guarantee. there is a lot of compelling evidence against the ex president and all four of these cases. and maybe the indictments and the mugshot will help trump win the primary by appealing to a sense of victimhood and aggrievement among his most die hard supporters. but those are toxic qualities of very candid heading into a general election. i think the republican party, honestly, is utterly deluded about what is going on here. i clear majority of american voters think trump is a criminal. he remains remarkably unpopular. a poll out of pennsylvania yesterday had him underwater 30 points in a swing state. everyone seems to think he's an indestructible quality to him because his demise has been foretold politically thought often and never really come to fruition. he is never fully vanquished. there's never any finality. there he is, on your television screen, right now, glaring at you in a mugshot into felony booking. as a result, i think a lot of people in the political world are vastly underestimating the odds he will get convicted before the election and that enough voters will turn their backs on him one final time. that is by no means guaranteed. major party nominees, i keep saying, basically acquaint flip to win. but it's hardly farfetched either. and i think releasing this mugshot's official vernacular for everyday life is only that the more voters will catch on to the gravity of the acute threat trumpist under. like he never has been before. unconstructed horry served as a federal prosecutor in the justice department. stuart stevens is a senior adviser for the lincoln project, author of the book the conspiracy to end america. part of my idea for how to think about the comedy you out for political where you went through some of this polling. i would love for you to give your thoughts on what the polling says about what the effects of this indictment and this aggregate for indictments have met for how people view him. >> i think in the aggregate this dynamic, and we were focusing on the justice department's january 6th case and some of the questions but i think the clear takeaway is that whatever offense these cases are having in the republican primary which is debatable this is not helping him and seems to be turning people away from him. this wouldn't be the only issues, but it's not to say that it would inevitably lead to his demise na general election, but one thing that drew my attention was the notion the surprising treatment the media, basically, absurdity indictments are helping him. and they're not. so i don't even think they're really helping the gop primary, based on the most credible analyses. but certainly in the general election setting this would be weighing him down. >> the idea that he is being helped here, again, helped among who? there's a distinction between what might help in a republican primary and an election. right now you can watch folks on fox and the conservative media saying this makes him look like johnny cash. this is iconic. doesn't everyone loved mugshots. well, i'm not so sure. that's where american politics works. stuart, i'm not even sold this helps in the republican primary, to be honest. >> can we just pause for a minute and think about the absurdity of what we are discussing? whether or not a guy who was president of the united states, convicted of trying to overthrow the government of united states, is this going to help him with republicans over? [laughter] i mean why do even asked that question? it's what we can't go down this path we forget how utterly insane this is. >> true. >> and the fact that you have, pretty much, six and a half people up on that stage, one kind races hand, saying they will support him if he is convicted of trying to overthrow the government of the united states. it shows what the party has become. but you know, chris, the reality is here, say you are ron desantis, anybody, you beat this guy in a primary. what do you think he's going to do the next day? do you think he's gonna wake up and all of a sudden act like a noble politician and say look he won fair and square, get out, there hold his hand up, we've got a join together for the party. now. this guy, donald trump, is gonna wake up the next day with one mission in life and that's to make sure that whoever beaten isn't the president united states. that's what's gonna happen to him. he holds the fate of the republican pham party in his hands whether he wins or loses. >> by the way, the scenario that you just outlined is the one that i think both america and the republican party deserve. i think it would be good for the republican party for someone to beat donald trump at the primary. i think you're also right that he would also devote him self to destroying their electoral prospects, which i think they also deserve. that's actually my best-case scenario for what unfolds over the past year. but it's also the case the i thought was interesting in the polling, again, not just republicans, talking about general polling. people said that it should happen soon. this seems like an obvious no-brainer. you write that 59% of the respondents in the poll said the 2020 election subversion k should take place before the republican primaries begin early next year, a lee higher number, so two on, percentage to take place before the general election in november. obviously i think that. i think there is no real argument. but it's interesting that that's where a massive upon a public opinion is, ankush. >> it is. i think to put my occurred on the table, over in about this before, something i've announcing here for the first time, but yeah, i think it's quite remarkable, actually, because this would be an expedited trial schedule. it would be somewhat challenging to bring it to trial along that timeline, but i think there are ways the judge can do it if he manages it very carefully. but of course we will learn all about that on monday. but the thing that strikes me is that people are keenly interested in this and seeing with the results are. and that makes a lot of sense. this man is asking to be reelected to the presidency. he's under indictment for trying to steal the last election. people deserve to know the results of this trial. >> there has always been a sense, stewart, and i think part of what you see in this undying fealty to him in the people raising their hands sure if he's convicted of uninterrupted cool i would support him. obviously. it's just a sense that people have been wrong about his demise before. after the access hollywood tape, there was a moment, after january 6th, there was a moment when it looked like, okay, this guy's gonna be assured of the national stage and never heard from again. because of that people don't want to get too far ahead and also they think there will never be summit moment where it all collapses. they will never be a bankruptcy event in his political capital. but i also think people are under estimating what a political cataclysm his conviction in an election year would be. it's weird to me how saying when everyone seems about this that's running the republican party. >> i think most people, if you woke up tomorrow and you are accused of overthrowing the government denounced eight you'd want to trial as quickly as you can to prove they're innocent. that's at the heart of this. this guy is trying to delay it. it runs counter to everything we think about justice and human nature. look, when donald trump, when the republican party accepted on trump, they put on a suicide vest and gave him the button. that's it. and he has won one election in his life. oh don't think he's going to win and another general election. but this is, there are two events here. the fact that the head of the wagner group was murdered, he was the guy who engineered on putin's orders that russian efforts to elect donald trump, and in many ways this is playing out cinematic lee. once the russians help elect a guy who basically it has no sense of writer wrong, the party goes along with it, insert a total corruption of the party and it's just gonna continue, i think, until the republican party is crushed and crushed in election after election. >> ankush khardori and stuart stevens, thank you. have a good weekend. coming up, donald trump is days away from getting clarity as to which prosecutor will get the first crack at him. but he has 18 codefendants in georgia. could that 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co-defendants accused of this racketeering quickly and together. a lot of people don't think that's gonna happen. amy lead copeland is a criminal defense in savannah georgia's. also served as the appellate chief of the attorneys office in the district of georgia. amy, can we start with the defendants who are trying to get, they're asking for speedy trials. kenneth chesebro went first. and fani willis responded and said yeah, we are ready october 23rd. two months from now. and sidney powell has done that too and john eastman says he's like, what am i missing? the theme light not enough time to prep and events. >> hey, chris, we've all been drinking water from a fire hose this week as we're trying to process everything. but the defendants have a right to make a speedy trial demand under georgia law. the timing of the demand and what the statute says, it has to be a speedy trial indeed. the case has to be ready for jury selection prior to november 3rd, which is why the october 23rd day was selected. october 30th is the last full week in october. so the judge wanted to put just a bit of wiggle room in the schedule to make sure everything started on time. >> but what is the tactic? if you're a defensive tierney, you've got a high stakes case. it's serious. a client is looking at serious time. they're not remanded. they're not in custody, which is one reason you might want a speedy trial. you want to get your person out. why would you want to do a trial in two months? >> because everybody is starting to turn on these defendants. sean still, he filed impish petition trying to get federal court to hear's case. he said listen, i was just acting on advice of counsel. you heard mr. trump in a press conference either personally or through his attorneys a few days ago saying listen, i was just listening to what the lawyers told me to do. so the thought is, all three of these folks are lawyers. these are the people the trump says he has been listening to. this is the team that he still says he's listening to. i think they're just trying to get out in front of it, kind of distance themselves from the president and tried to present their defense as quickly as they can. >> icy. so, right, you've got five lawyers, if i'm not mistaking, it giuliani, chesebro, sydney powell, john eastman, and jenna ellis. >> stallings as well. >> right. if you go long enough. the faster you go the more you can try to insulate yourself from being the fall guy for others as time goes on, essentially. >> i think that maybe the strategy here. i always tell people that criminal defense cases aren't like fine wine. they just don't get better with age. so i think these people are trying to get out in front of it. the prosecutor has a real bargaining tool. georgia has a first offender act, which is if people start cooperating, she could offer them first offender treatment as if this never happened. so there are incentives to get this in the rearview mirror. >> let's talk about this. there's a bunch of folks that want an early trial. three issues, as i could. the people who want an early trial, the severability question, and then moving into federal court. let's talk about federal court and will come back to severability. these three folks are trying to get an early trial. chesebro appears to have a trial date set. and number of people, meadows, clark, and i suspect more who want to move to federal court. what do you think of their chances? meadows gonna have a hearing on this. about their chances of getting this move to federal court? >> so meadows hearing is actually scheduled from monday. we should know soon what is going to happen there. to get it removed from state court to federal court, which just means you go to federal court instead a state court to get ut case tried. you just have to show their acting as a federal officer, you are acting under your job description. you are doing your job and that you raise a credible federal defense. this is a pretty low standard. you just have to show this by the fact that it's more likely than not. a credible federal defense just means if you tell people about it they don't start laughing at you. so we'll see what happens. he saying i'm chief of staff, i do these things for the president, that mr. gorsuch even staff did similar things. but he will have to put up some sort of evidence. i think it's unlikely that he will testify. the state has already signify that they're going to get the secretary of state, the chief investigator, and a couple of attorneys who filed lawsuits for trump to challenge elections, to testify on their behalf. >> yeah, so that hearing is happening in federal court, federal district court on monday. we also have a hearing in the d.c. case. so lots to look for on monday. amy legal planned, thank you so much for that. >> thank you, chris. take care. >> still ahead, by this time on monday we will know the start date for donald trump's d.c. trial. is it going to happen before the 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>> right, look, they drop the anchor in antarctica. it's a provocation to chutkan, no doubt about it. she has one serious proposal and one asinine proposal. that's how she will look at. it [laughter] some people would say this is a serious one this is a joke, i'll take the serious one. my best guess is you will not do that. it is trump being trump, but it doesn't go to the things he is clearly not supposed to do like witness intimidation, pollute the jury pool. she will want, i think, to show her general temperance, prudence, and not give even the ghost of an argument about due process, which, rushing him too much could provide. so i think there may be some tongue wagging again as she did in the first one. are you kidding me? especially given the reasoning behind it, the war and peace, million pages, which is really asinine. but making some maybe some tug way again, but maybe she'll push a little down the line towards, say, march, april, in acres out there. that would be a satisfactory i think resolution because she is earnest about making quick work of this. >> christine, you're nodding your head. i >> agree that we're actually looking more and march and april. i thought looking at the government schedule it did seem a little aggressive. you have the government saying that by august 28th discovery will be substantially complete but then pretrial motions are do less than a month after that. usually if even in a case that doesn't involve millions of documents that is usually about three months that the defense will have to go through the discovery before making pretrial motions. that's in a standard case, not even in a complicated criminal case. i think adding two months to the schedule would be reasonable. you look at the defense schedule, it's just laughable. there's a year of status conferences between august 2023 and august of 2024. they leave one month for pretrial motions and then they just add another year of more discovery conferences after the briefing [laughter] the first question, if i were judge chutkan, is what are you proposing to do in that year? you made your motions. why are we waiting? it really doesn't make a lot of sense. this is clearly posturing. i think she's going to call the trump team out on it. they clearly can have electronic discovery here that is searchable. a lot of this material was already public to them. they saw the house select committees and handles on video just like we did. a lot of those are also materials that are within his entities, information that are his own words. so a lot of this is not surprising to him and for all of those reasons he really doesn't have that strong interest in needing years out, and there is really a strong public interest here in having a speedy trial date. so we're not gonna have anywhere near april 2026, but i think april 2024 is reasonable here. >> so, this is something that judge chutkan said at the hearing. she said the fact that he is running a political campaign currently has to yield to the orderly administration of justice. if that means he can't say exactly what he wants to say about people who maybe witnesses in this case, that's how it's going to be. that first part about running a campaign yields to the orderly administration justice, i do wonder. to kristy this point, we need discovery time, in the argument there really that you're making is we want the guided get elected president make this go away but the less insidious version of that this more plausible is look the guy is running for president are you gonna drag him off the campaign trail and stick him in a jury in front of a jury? i wonder how much they will explicitly make that argument, harry. >> we know the answer from their papers and they have filed papers. she took that off the table. sheep reported two at the hearing and they didn't make it at all. it was in stark contrast to other cases. that's why we had this phony baloney thing that kristy just effectively battered down. the other effective our new arguments in there, they are silent, they don't try to provoke advised by making a political argument. of course you're right, it's there, it's not just there it's there in trumpian style. he doesn't win, he wins by a landslide. it needs to be 2026, that makes everyone scratch their head. so i think she's chasing them and saying don't come with that argument with me, even though everyone understands there will be ways and junctures that it gives a little ground because of it. but i think it's supposed to be not part of -- and i think it won't be. >> quickly, kristy, do you think will get a date on monday? will she banged the gavel on a date? >> absolutely. it's unusual for her to have before even the first pretrial conference to have asked for a briefing on a trial date. that is unusual. so the fact that she teed that up before she even had the first big conference means she is serious about setting a date here. >> big-time. she was a magistrate, she gave that message to them, big-time. >> harry litman and kristy greenberg, thank you both, appreciate it. still to come, the latest on the right wing plan to get rid of anything they don't like. ali velshi doing incredible reporting on the book banning phenomenon. he's gonna explain what he is finding, ahead. finding, ahead oh my god, here it is. when i found that immigration record on ancestry®, it was amazing. everything was there. the u.s. was in dire need of nurses during world war ii. tía amalia as a nurse in el salvador decided to answer that call. it's a lot of excitement finding something new. i feel like a time traveler. claudia starts calling me. it's a party every time. ♪ ♪ ♪ wake up, gotta go! c'mon, c'mon. it's-gracie, c'mon.time. let's go! guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! 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>> it started with the 16 19 project was nikole hannah-jones. i had her on the show and i thought to myself, wow, i wasn't really aware of that number. it didn't register to, me 60 19. and now she is giving me new information. before long there was this movement to eliminate this, to suggest that it is threatening the history of america, the 70 teens havanese six is going to get race because of 16 19. she was the impetus. everybody went nuts over her book, to ban it, to make sure it wasn't read. a stupid thing to do. what we realized was book banning is the same thing it has always been. you ban books for the same ideas, either the idea annette, in other words what was in 60 19, the very words in it, because some people are just prudish and don't want to hear words about sexual assault or sex or sexuality, or the third one is the author. sun books are just banned because the author's controversial. all three are happening right now. there's nothing new in the world of book began banning except that it's happening a lot. these groups, including moms for liberty, are not reading. they're grabbing a book, finding something problematic, the author, some idea in it, they're taking them off of school curriculum. sometimes out of school libraries. the point is to say don't give other people that choice. you make the choice about what you want to read or don't read. i will was surprised at how many people wanted to read these banned books and how many people send in their criticisms and observations about them. it is been a fun year and a half, and to have it as a podcast is pretty exciting. >> one of the things interesting we talk about the start of the 16 19 project, i feel like we have seen an alteration of the trajectory. a lot of it beginning was about race, the history of race in america, critical race theory, the backlash against it. it quickly moved into sexuality and gender. >> exactly right. >> almost with a head snapping speed, which is now where most of the focus appears to be. >> correct. >> am i right? >> yes. >> and you don't have to do anything to get your book banned. if you write a book about a queer young person, there's a good chance it's gonna get band. if you happen to be a person of color writing their, books is a better chance there will be banned. and if there's any chance of sexual assault which by the way happens to a lot of young people in school, that is also going to get you banned. that's exactly right. in fact our first episodes, which are about two books that deal sexuality. one is david levinson's two boys kissing. that kind of what the books about. and derek congolese boy erased, which is a young man who was sent to conversion therapy. you know what the good thing is? these aren't diatribes. they're not scurried's. they are literature. they are amazing to read. there's great stuff in there and that's the point we're trying to make. it's not what you think it is. these books are not written to make your kids into something. they are just good books. >> i want to play, so people get a snapshot of these conversations, david lava, fan author of two boys kissing, which has attracted a lot of attention a number of places, you got to talk with him in the podcast. here's a little bit of the conversation between you and he. >> i think my book hits the list because it's called two boys kissing. it shows two boys kissing on the cover. it contains more than two boys kissing inside, and the historical record, the fact that it is based on intergenerational and a generation of men who died from aids looking down at the current general generation. none of the subtleties matter. may just object to two boys kissing. >> if you are writing the book today, would you be as optimistic in the way it was written? >> i think i would be more optimistic. i think one of the things the older generation in the book realizes is that the younger generation has the act together more and that is going to experience more freedoms. even though adults are trying to get in the way of what they do and what they read and who they kiss, they will still triumph. i believe that with every ounce of my heart. >> i thought that last part was interesting because one of the themes i have seen in some of the books you have done is, sometimes, i remember, obviously, we've gone through different rounds of these, header has two mommies is a book that was a object of a huge culture war battle when i was 12 or 13 years old. but sometimes there's a book that comes out. there's immediate controversy. some of these books came out there was no controversy. and there's a sort of sense of backwards drift, that you read book, it goes out, then someone decides it is controversial. >> that's exactly right. about half my books are authors were quite surprised to be invited to the velshi banned book club. they know their book was banned somewhere. and by the way, -- was banned some places. commanders are low, they called us enemy, which was about growing up in a japanese american intern ship camp, it was prohibited in some places. a lot of it is just nonsense. the privilege here is, will read the book for you, we'll tell you about it, and you'll just end up with some interesting books you didn't know should even on your radar. >> ali velshi, the podcast is called the velshi banned book club, it is available. we put that up again. you can get it wherever you get your podcasts. you can scan it right now on the screen to get a. listen ali, awesome project. thanks for making time. >> thanks my friend, as always. >> that does it for all in for this week. alex wagner tonight starts right now with ayman mohyeldin. good evening, amen. >> i was gonna ask you something that you brought up that was very smart because it's a question that's bonding me >> that is about the finality of donald trump. what is the finality of donald trump? both politically and for this country. this is a guy who has destroyed the republican party. reach havoc on our democracy. he continues to lose. he's not indicted four times. i think you hit the nail on the head how do we ever measure the finality of donald trump? >> i think i do wonder, sometimes people are very powerful at the apex of their power, no one thinks they are ever then they are not. history doesn't forget about them in some cases. or looks very poorly on them. i don't know where we're going to end up. in the end,