Was 12 or 13 years old. but sometimes there s a book that comes out. there s immediate controversy. some of these books came out there was no controversy. and there s a sort of sense of backwards drift, that you read book, it goes out, then someone decides it is controversial. that s exactly right. about half my books are authors were quite surprised to be invited to the velshi banned book club. they know their book was banned somewhere. and by the way, was banned some places. commanders are low, they called us enemy, which was about growing up in a japanese american intern ship camp, it was prohibited in some places. a lot of it is just nonsense. the privilege here is, will read the book for you, we ll tell you about it, and you ll just end up with some interesting books you didn t know should even on your radar. ali velshi, the podcast is called the velshi banned book club, it is available. we put that up again.