-- on this monday night. good a thing, i'm alison menendez in for stephanie ruhle. ukraine has now been fighting russia's unprovoked invasion for nearly three months. today, vladimir putin was trying to defend his war, this was victory day in russia, when the nation celebrates victory over nazi germany. it is russia's biggest holiday, and during today's observance, is putin tried to justify the war, with false claims of nazis and ukraine, and so-called aggression towards russia. amid the images of troops marching information, and the military hardware on display, putin did not declare a new offensive in ukraine, i did not declare victory. >> we -- he offered up his own message to the kremlin we >> today, a senior u.s. defense official called russian efforts on the battlefield, incremental and somewhat anemic, despite, that rich russia continues to hammer ukraine with airstrikes, this weekend -- being used as a shelter. 60 were said to be killed, msnbc's news says the biden tonight told democrats that putin is a very, very calculated man, but that he doesn't have a way out right now. earlier today, the president signed an updated version of the land lease, the program originally used to speed weapons to britain during world war ii, will now help get weapons into the hands of ukrainian fighters. >> every, day ukrainians pay with our lives, and the cost is not cheap. but caving to aggression is even more costly, that's why we're sending them this. >> biden has called on congress to approve another 33 billion dollars for ukraine. house democrats say they will begin working on that funding legislation tomorrow. let's begin our coverage of the war with nbc's cal perry, live for us tonight in kyiv. kyle, it wasn't just victory day in moscow, russian troops also marked a day in ukraine, tell me more. yes, so we have this kind of bizarre scene on the eastern part of mariupol, where we've not seen heavy fighting in the past few weeks. where russian, officials who have changed the street signs there to russian, took part in a small parade, this was obviously a piece of propaganda used by moscow, and coincided with a large march that we saw on moscow, but bizarre because the fighting on the other side of the city is so fierce. we continue to see that sort of stronghold that still works facility where hundreds of fighters are still in that basement area, we understand a number of them are wounded. so, to have these scenes play out on the other side of the city, is a juxtaposition that allowed ukrainians, just cannot wrap their heads around. on the other side of the, country of the continuation in the east of this violence, the school that you mentioned was hit on saturday night, they are strike. they're at least six people were trapped in that rubble at some point. but again, it's hard for us to reach out area, just as it was to reach the theater in mariupol, because the fighting -- and the air strikes from russia just continue. >> do we have a sense of the status of that steel plant in mariupol? >> not a good one, as for now, on an hour by hour basis. we know that as of, yesterday the government was still in communication with fighters. we think that most of the civilians, and not all of the civilians, have finally been extracted from that site. they are on their way, the last of, them to zaporizhzhia. we just don't know how long the ukrainian fighters can hold out. they're not sharing with us how many there are, -- operational security reasons. there is a lot, i think, of speculation that the russians are close to taking that plant, because they have swung a whole lot of troops to the eastern part of the country, the donbas region, leaving just a few thousand in the city of mariupol. >> cal, i wonder which area of the country are ukrainian officials most worried about at this point? >> well, certainly mariupol, because they don't have a good grasp of how many people have died there. officials think it could be in the tens of thousands. in the eastern part of the country, in the donbas region, in the luhansk area, that's where that school is, the fighting is still fears. i should say, the ukrainian government is really proud of games it's making in the kharkiv region, that's to the north. that's kharkiv that you see east of where i am the northern part of the country, six villages have been liberated by ukrainian forces. so ukrainian for hisses are on the move in the northern part of the country, it seems they've stalled the invasion to the, east and in the southern part of the country's cities marred by massive bombardment. the city of mariupol has been wiped off the map, the city of odessa issued saying the last six hours has come under cruise missile fire. at least seven rockets landing in the city of odessa. a lot of fear about what could happen in odessa, as well, because it is one of those black sea ports. >> nbc's cal perry, life earth in kyiv, ukraine. kyle, thank you. let's bring in our experts peter, baker chief white house correspondent in the new york times, he spent years as a moscow bureau chief for the washington post, closely watching the rise of putin. jason beardsley, a decorated u.s. military veteran with over 20 years of experience and then army and navy, he is now the national executive director of the new association of the navy. and william taylor, former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, is also the united states institute of peace vice president for russia. gentlemen, it's good to see you all. peter, i want to start with you. wasn't a lot to take away from today's victory day in russia, but we did hear this from the u.s. ambassador to russia, take a listen. >> it's also difficult to know what president putin is planning. it's difficult to speculate because his decision circle is so small. if i were a betting person i'd say it's most likely the president putin is doubling down his special military operation in ukraine. >> peter, putin tried to defend the war today, but why do you think he chose to refrain from making any major declarations about what is next for ukraine? >> well, i think first of all, the reality on the ground is such that it makes any kind of pronouncement along those lines pretty hard to, cell. even in a country where the kremlin controls the media, where the information is under state auspices, there is a lot of reality still there in russia. they see the body bags coming home, they hear the stories from their loved ones on the front line, they know it's really going, on at least a lot of them do. i think it will be hard for them to sell a story a victory at a time when there is clearly nothing like that. secondly, i don't think, and i've -- obviously he knows that part of the world really. well i think that he enjoys being unpredictable, i think he probably enjoys having tweaked us for the last number of days, thinking that something big was going to come, and then watching us get all worked up, and then showing oh i didn't do what you thought i was gonna do, i'm not so easily categorized. that doesn't mean that something big can't happen, or doesn't have to have to happen on victory day for him to decide that he's going to escalate, or in some way make this war even more deadly and devastating and it's already been. so, we get worked out about the holiday, but it's days after the holiday that we should probably be thinking back. >> ambassador taylor, peter bigger wants to hear, from you and that means so do i. >> alicia, peter, it's great to be able to talk to you. i think peter's right, i think peter's right. president putin had to pat options, people were debating whether he'd choose one of the other, that is double down, or back down. declare victory, try to settle down. he couldn't really do either, there is no good option for him, so it shows no good option. he is afraid, alicia, he's afraid of his people, he doesn't want to ask them to sacrifice, he knows that they're already starting. people in russia are already starting to feel the pain, and they're beginning to bury their sons and fathers and brothers when they come back from ukraine. so putin is worried about his standing with the people, dictator are not, he's got to worry about the people. >> -- i want you to take a listen to what we heard today from former adviser to zelenskyy. >> i have a sense that putin blink today, there were no ultimatums, no victories announced. it looks like they don't know what to do. he's scared, and with -- still signed, i think it's ukraine's to win no. >> jason, do you agree? >> yeah, and by the way, both pierre and william have it right here. and really, putin didn't blink today, he's been playing for the entire invasion. every step of the way, he's been beleaguered in hampered by logistics, poor supply, bad leadership, they tried to knock out the ukrainian communication networks, elon musk stepped in with starlink. they tried to knock out ukrainian weapons, united states stepped in with howitzers, with all kinds of ammunition in munitions. so that has meant that the ukrainian forces have been fighting, they've been creative, they've been using guerrilla style warfare. plus combined strategies. they're really on the cusp of being able to open up a seam in his battlefield. that doesn't mean this is over, soon putin as the two guests already stated, he did when he could today, a show of what we can call theater, it was farcical, everyone knows that. the reason he didn't brag and call this a war, is a bit of a technicality. he cannot rely on the russian people by decline in general mobilization, because that will put them in a whole different world. right, now he's trying to limit this, and try to save face as much as possible. >> ambassador taylor, it's a such a sharp contrast to what we're seeing from president zelenskyy, that powerful video, walking the streets in response to russia's victory day, talking about being a free people. what are you hearing from your contacts in ukraine, about how the government views the war at this point? >> presidents ellen ski, use this words, he mobilizes his people, and they mobilize him. he really represents them, the ukrainian people are strong, they're tough, they are determined to be free, they are determined to be independent, and he is leading them. he grows on that, he absorbs that, and he projects it. it's a very positive projection, so it's a great combination of president zelenskyy in the ukrainian people that are so tough. >> peter, we also saw evidence on russian media of anti war sentiment, there is hacking on russian tv, instead of a display of the usual channels, a message took over the screens that read, quote, the blood of thousands of ukrainians, and hundreds of murdered children's on your hands. the kremlin has made it a crime to express anti war sentiment. people could get arrested, could a protest like that prompt the kremlin to crack down even harder? >> certainly, yes, absolutely. they are very, very jealous of the information space they have, over the years, repeatedly crackdown on any information source that got in their way, as they saw it. they have been incredibly repressive since this war began, with this new law threatening a 15-year sentences in prison, for even using the word war to describe the special military operation, and arrested hundreds if not thousands of people over the last few months. they've successfully tamp down a lot of the street actions until now. but the more and more information gets through and more and more russians feel like they are losing, their loved ones for a cause they don't necessarily believe in. i think the more dangerous if it comes for him. ambassador taylor's, right there is in fact a popular will, that matters even in a dictatorship. that's what happened in afghanistan, is what happened with chechnya. there were people at home that saw the cost of war in their communities. you can't hide funerals. i think that, overtime, he is worried about losing that public support, which is why he's playing the nationalist drum so heavily, in order to keep up some sort of sense of patriotic duty in fighting a war that many russians don't understand, because it against their slavic brothers. these are not against chechens, or afghans, or people they consider to be foreigners. ukrainians, to them, are like fraternal relatives, and i think it's very confusing for a lot of relatives, why they are at war with a family like that. >> to that point, tonight you had the president expressing concern about putin, not being able to find a way out of this war. what is the president worried about here, aside from the conflict not ending soon? >> desperation. but we've seen from the beginning is, because putin hasn't been able to do decisively defeat ukrainians on the ground. you see these arrow bombardments of the city, places like bucha, you're gonna see more of, that the longer russia is in play. i think what president biden is worried about is essentially adding to that. so, the real key here, president zelenskyy has got to mobilize his forces, the new mutations that are being served up inside, ukraine kept on to the frontlines, and combined their strategy with the so far guerrilla style hit in tactic of warfare that the ukrainians have been doing. they need to hand russia some decisive blows. russia, right now, they are committing their bodies, onsite they're trying not to push bodies back to russia. so, they are trying to hide the son of people. but information is leaking, out and again, all credit to the ukrainians for putting this effort together, and to the white house are getting the weapons in here. the big often, is they should have been in before the invasion. we had six months of previous intelligence. so, here is an opportunity for the president to get in front of the next complication in taiwan, looking right across the straits of china. the time to do weapons supplies is not in the middle of a fight, it's prior to it. and by the way, the green berets, the special forces, have been successful since 2014 training the ukrainians on these tactics, which is why they've operated differently than they did in the donbas region prior to that. >> ambassador taylor, this all comes as we heard this alarming news from the pentagon today, take a listen. >> we certainly have seen indications that ukrainians are being moved from ukraine into russia, i can't speak to how many camps or what they look like. but, we do have indications that ukrainians are being taken in against their will into russia. >> ambassador, your thoughts? >> alicia, war crimes. this first movement of people who don't want -- these are ukrainians. they want to go into ukraine. they want to go into where free ukraine is. and putin is moving them, he's almost kidnapping them, thinking about them, putting them into -- people are calling filtration camps. we're talking about reeducation. we've heard this. this is terrible if we are going back to this. so this just indicates why ukrainians have to win. why the ukrainians have to be able to beat the russians, and their counterattacks are an indication that they can do this. they have succeeded on the ground. they've succeeded on the sea, with their own missiles, their own anti-ship missiles. they can do this. they need to win so that these atrocities stop. >> i take your earlier point about the need to have gotten these weapons at their, sooner, given where we are, given that we have already sent billions and weapons, what's else do ukrainian forces need right now? >> well, they've got a lot of good intelligence from the united states communications huge. you can't fight on multiple fronts without those robust networks. again, the startling network, they came in and patch that kept its made ukraine very effective in this. what they need now is to infiltrate the new weapons. the united states is training them and other countries, that's been great. it's now getting those forces into play, because as ambassador taylor suggested, the opportunity is now to break the will of russia. the only way to do that if you got a knack out there armor, you've got a knack out there artillery. you are doing that now, but again, the united states needs to be smart here. we've got our own issues trying to compete in the naval fleet against china, against russia. so it's time to look at how do we get in front of these, rather than behind them. and i would suggest the white house has got a great opportunity, while the american people are very supportive of the strong defenses. it's better to do this and avoid a war that you get inside of one and have to end it. >> peter, to that sense of urgency, the president is pushing congress to immediately approve more aid to ukraine. he says it needs to be done before trying to secure more covid funding. the house taking up the measure tomorrow. what should we be watching for? >> yeah, as we're striking of course, the president united states came to congress, he said, i need 33 billion dollars to help ukraine with his military and humanitarian aid. and congress is beating him up. they look like they're adding those seven billion dollars to those, and indicate by the way, a certain bipartisan consensus here in washington, which is rather remarkable, given everything else. they're telling the president united states, we not only support what you're doing in terms of helping ukraine. but you want to do more. so that's gonna be, i think, on a table, starting tomorrow. the question is whether republicans or democrats have completely agree on the specifics of the bill, and if they want to move forward, they don't to get this bogged down by the covid bill which is tightening up in the immigration fight that's unrelated, because there's some pressing need to get this out there, and if they don't do that, they'll be a snow slow down. and the weapons, -- >> thanks to peter breaker, jason beardsley and ambassador william taylor. coming up, critics overall argue abortion is issued states should get to the side. but those critics may not be planning to stop there. later, the world's addiction to oil has been blamed for fueling autocratic governments for years. could the tragedy of ukraine finally end the dependency? 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how much of this is gonna play out in the course? >> on the table, it's a really vast array of things we've come taken for granted, unless you have same-sex marriage was, injure race marriage, private consensual behavior, even the ability to educate your children. all of these things are completely put into play by the alito leak right now. the leak draft says right now this is only about abortion. but you just don't declare winners or losers. they give reasons. they give principles. just as you can say as to abortion, while, it used to be a crime in the 18th century. that's why we can overrule it today. you can say the exact same thing, exact same thing about marrying someone of another race, marrying someone of the same sex. so it's just completely at the grace of these five, whether or not that's something like that will come up and be shot down. and of course, as the mississippi governor makes clear, there's a lot of people in the country who want to be pushing them in that direction. >> vicky, as i listen to harry lay out everything that could possibly be on the table, and lay out the power of these five justices, i have to wonder to what extent is the politically galvanizing argument here about health care, access to abortion, access to plan b, contraceptives. and to what extent it's about a broader argument on judicial overreach, and the variety of rights that can be impacted, it will actually motivate voters? 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it should. we need to make sure that every it's another bad scheme for california. single voter understands, that the republican and mitch mcconnell, does not believe that their daughters, their mothers, that their sisters have rights to make fundamental life and death decisions. we are half citizens under this ruling. >> senate democrats warning of republican efforts to restrict abortions nationwide. after mitch mcconnell left the door open to a nationwide ban. he told usa today it was, quote, possible. the senate plans to vote on a bill to provide protections for abortion rights on wednesday, the vote is expected to fail. democrats don't have the support to pass the 60 vote threshold. senator lisa murkowski, one of the last potential republican supporters of the bill said that she will vote no. still with us victoria defrancesco, and cnn contributor matthew dowd, he is also former george w. bush strategist, and founder of country over party. this vote on monday, is expected to fail, why is it still important that they hold it? >> well, it's going to fail, but all i said, politics is all about pointing out and pushing through where you want the debate to be about. and i think democrats would be smart to make this entire campaign over the next six months, about our fundamental rights and freedom. not only about pro-choice but also about voting rights. i think holding a vote, even if you lose begins to build residents for that in the coming campaign, but there's no doubt this is going to go down. i think at this point in time, will we're talking about from now until november 2nd, the first tuesday of november, is what the campaign is gonna be about, and democrats want to make this about that. >> and vicky, there is gonna be the lived experience and that accompanies that large, argument -- low income women struggle to get abortions in texas. you've been covering this years -long effort to restrict abortion access in that state. talk to, us how do we get here? with >> a disproportionate, burden, as you pointed out is going to be on poor women and especially women of color. i think that the one strategy going forward and looking at all of the odds being stacked against democrats, and saying that something is not likely going to get passed in the senate, looking at the supreme court, looking at various state legislatures, is looking at public opinion. i have one word, it's overreach. i think we have really reached a tipping point, where we know that first of all, the general american public is supportive of a woman's right to choose. but beyond, that i'm really zeroing in on two key groups. a independence, where we see two thirds of independence, especially women, don't support this total ban on abortion, or near total ban. as well as republicans. so really interesting, among republicans it's very few that you have that extreme case. most republicans, and this is from a pew poll, shows that -- what we're seeing is this rhetoric of a very extreme stance. not even in the case of rape or incest. so i think of this overreach that we've seen, is going to pull over certain segments that have been teetering before, and also mobilize those segments of the democratic base, namely those women of color. >> well, matt, to this point vicky is making about overreach. you have mcconnell saying that nationwide abortion ban is possible, he has got to know that is not where a majority of americans are. i, wonder is this him trying to cater to the, base ramp up midterm turnout, and then he doesn't actually go through with it on the other side. is this something that could come back to haunt him we >> i think mitch mcconnell knows in his heart, that is still this debate in november is about choice, it is about abortion. and republicans lose. i think mitch mcconnell knows that they want -- that the republicans want this debate to be about the economy and inflation. because of the election becomes wholly about, that the republicans win. so i think this is mitch mcconnell clearing the deck for now, just saying that going on moving on that knowing that he has to make that argument. but as vicky said, this is a great issue for democrats to motivate and persuade, because a vast majority of the country. the issue is, will democrats do it do it well, and be able to adjust the debate and move the debate about a debate about inflation, to a debate about rights? and that really is the fundamental question for november. can they move this to a broad enough and resident enough debate, to move the election off the economy. >> i've got to ask, you since you both have ties to texas. new york times points out, quote, governor greg abbott said on thursday that he would seek to overturn a 1982 court decision, that obligated public schools to educate all children, including undocumented in immigrants. vicky, it brings back your point about overreach, and makes me think about california, and the way we watch this go down in california, when you had a republican governor who pushed very hard on these same questions of public services for immigrants. could we see a similar swing back in texas? >> i mean, if this makes it up to the supreme court, alicia, potentially it would. let me just point out the irony with that in 2001, texas was the first date in the mission to have instate college tuition for dreamers. i think what we see here is greg abbott being one of the most outspoken folk in terms of abortion and abortion restriction. that fight is been one for him. now he is turning to another issue that has really been mobilizing the base, and this is i think where we're going to see greg abbott really take a stand. he has won other battles, and the border issue is one that he knows as we saw with the trump presidency with that can really fire up the base. >> matt, mcconnell may want this to be about the economy, but he's got greg abbott screaming about undocumented immigrants, he's got ron desantis picking fights with disney -- 's mccall are gonna be able to make this about the economy? >> well, i think that's what he has to try to do. but as i listen to all this, how far afield we are from what the republican party in texas was 20 years ago, when george w. bush was governor. george w. bush could not get elected governor of texas as a republican today. he was pro-immigrant, he didn't want to argue about a bunch of the social issues at the time here in texas. he wanted to talk about and focus on the economy and education. george w. bush, just in two decades, we've moved from george w. bush to greg abbott, vastly different political parties today, and that's where we are. greg abbott knows that if you want to run for president, which odds are that he does, he's trying to make cultural issues -- he thinks he has this election, one he's moving on to the next election when she wants to one in, because it's president of the united states. >> victoria defrancesco in matthew dowd, thanks for spending some time with us. coming, up our next guest is western oil -- we're gonna ask historian ruth band gap, if a new plan to phase out russian oil is too little too late, when the 11th hour continues. hour continues hi! need new glasses? 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