tapes that shows him being basically against one of the most popular people on this republican party. and we're also covering tonight the earthquake out of ohio where jd vance wins the primary from a never trumper to a trump endorsement. we have a fact check and the vulnerability he faces going into a general election. now, we begin as mentioned right now live in front of the supreme court. the fallout continues, protests around the country. the bombshell leaked draft that would overturned roe v. wade. >> how dare they. how dare they tell a woman what she can do and not do with her own body. >> this has gone from being theoretical to being real. >> as democrats focus on the potential ruling, republicans zero in on the leak. >> there is a potential federal crime here. conversion of a anything else. >> wake up, america. wake up to who you're electing. >> supreme court justices that frankly lied under oath. >> literally this protest has been growing exponentially. >> it's not a salami sandwich. it's a viable baby in the womb. >> there really is a weaponizing of religion in our country. >> this maga crowd is an extreme political organization that's existed. >> these are the stakes, and we're joined right here at the high court now by jessica and terry o'neal, the president of the national organization for women. welcome to both of you. thinking about this as the fashion has started to really understand what this draft ruling says, what it would do and how close we are to it coming out and becoming law, what's on your mind tonight? and do people understand the gravity in your view? >> well, first of all, i want people to understand that today abortion is still legal throughout the country. if a patient has an appointment they should keep it. but let's be clear, reversing roe would be a mass criminalization event. when abortion is banned, it means that every pregnancy loss is subject to suspicion and investigation and potential arrest. >> when you read the opinion, did anything jump out at you about it? >> i mean, the opinion was breathtaking in its tone, its dismissiveness, its disregard for rights that people have relied on for nearly 50 years. and not surprising and yet astounding at how sweeping it is and potential for all sorts of rights whether we're talking about the right to have an abortion, the right to same sex marriage, what's happening with trans children right now. the right to birth control, the consequences are very sweeping. >> and what happens next? i mean we would get this ruling -- whatever state by next month. >> that's right. the court, the order -- the ruling will come out in the next two months by the end of june probably. and at that point about half the states are poise today plan abortion or start enforcing bans on abortion that are already on their books. >> jessica arons thank you for leading off our coverage. i want to turn to terry as mentioned. this is the kind of outcome your organization and other women's rights groups have been warning about for some time. what do you see coming next? >> well, i did have a wonderful conversation with christian nunez and she's already talking about activating hundreds of chapters around the country. we need to do this at the grass roots level and christian is determined to do this and i couldn't agree with her more. we need a legislative fix with this, and we need that fix to center the lived experience of women especially marginalized women of also of women everywhere in this country. you know, i read the opinion, the draft opinion. and what struck me is the total absence of any awareness of women's lived experience in this very long document. the entire first half talks about conception, quickening, viability, childbirth as if all of these things happen in this disembodied space where women simply don't exist. nothing in the opinion about the hundreds of years in this country in which women have tried to gain equality, have tried to have the right to participate equally and in multiracial, multicultural democracy. no word of that. no word of being able to obtain an abortion has allowed so many women to become lawyers and elected officials and doctors. nothing -- no awareness of the basic humanity of women, of transgender people, of nonbinary people, of anyone who can become pregnant, no awareness that we are actual fully realized human beings. it is a -- it is a overwhelming document in that sense. >> as soon as this leak occurred it went off like a real bombshell. in washington there was tremendous focus as well on who may have done the leaking and what that does to the court. our initial coverage on the beat last night we didn't really focus on that because the impact around the country to people seems quite a bit larger although that's a separate and notable issue. as you've been able to digest this year in these organizations that work on these organizations over the course of more than a day, is there a view the alito draft is essentially what's going to happen? is there any concern, indication or thoughts that perhaps there is a different outcome possible still? because it's such an unprecedented situation we have very little to compare it to, which is to say other than clerks who are famously secretive, there's very little we know about what would happen between the first draft in february and what i was just discussing here, what comes out next month, whether this could somehow be refined, changed or if they lost one of the five there could be a different plurality make-up. given your long time work on the issues what do you see as possible? is the alito draft something you're bracing for or is something possible? >> the alito draft is what we're bracing for and here's why. they are concerned with power. they believe they have the power to simply push this through. look, it's not that different from the january 6th invasion of the united states capitol, right? trump and many people in his campaign believed they had the power to push this through. they thought mike pence was going to simply seize the power to actually perform a coup of our country. so these right-wing extremists are using their power, and i don't think they have any intention of backing off of the sweeping -- sweeping opinion that says women don't count, abortion is not about women. it's about something else, us, our ability to control women. they think they have the power. they're going to use it, period. >> terry o'neal, a long time on this battlefield, thank you for joining us tonight. this has been a top story with the supreme court but we also turn to the breaking news regarding january 6th on donald trump jr. donald trump jr., the former president's son, testifying before the january 6th committee for several hours. we've just learned about this today. it went down yesterday. it was virtual on zoom, and it was voluntary. that's interesting and actually bad for some trump allies because it puts heat on the people who claim that there must be some sort of privilege that they can't talk about because they were sort of in the executive branch or near donald trump. but you have his own son saying, no, he's going to cooperate. bad news for steve bannon and peter navarro's legal claims. they look more isolated with trump jr. facing this committee and thus facing it as a valid investigative process. and that's not all. it follows ivanka trump and jared kushner who also decided to testify voluntarily given they both worked in the white house for four years. ivanka trump's testimony reportedly helping the committee fill in a lot of gaps according to some reporting. nick, more than one legal story in the news. i'm speaking to you in front of the supreme court because of that leaked opinion. and we have more coverage on later tonight. but of course it's also the institution that ruled overwhelmingly against related secrecy claims by the former president, by the idea these trump allies could just avoid or defy this committee outright. what's your reaction to don jr. joining other family member here? >> my reaction is this. i mean, they are cooperating supposedly, but i think really cooperating. are they telling the truth about what happened that day and that afternoon where we've got a 7-hour gap of phone records that don't exist anymore? i mean, to me the critical issue here is what did donald trump know about the violence? when did he know about the violence? because that is the key piece that puts it in the soup. the violence was critical here, because at that point in the day trump knew that mike pence, his vice president, wasn't going to stand up and go along with this plot to reject the votes, the electoral votes from the various battleground states. so the only way they could actually stop the count at that point and try and get this back to the states was through the violence. so what did donald trump know about it? we do know that, yes, ivanka's gone in and testified, jared has gone in and testified, and now don jr. but i guarantee you they've stone walled this on the issue of what trump knew about the violence and when he knew about it. this is exactly what happened in the watergate investigation. everybody came in -- >> we have some -- nick, we have some clues, though, because don jr.'s texts leaked. and it would seem unless you'd think it was an elaborate hoax at the time. it seemed when he was privately talking to mark meadows, he thought the violence was bad. he thought it should stop. that makes him interestingly a kind of familial witness against his father who did not act like it should stop, did not intercede during the violent emergency, which gives context to the other bit of news i mentioned -- more tapes from kevin mccarthy where he talks about the atrocious conduct of donald trump. again, may be easy to forget a year or plus later. but at the time kevin mccarthy thought donald trump would need a pardon for crime. let's take a listen to that new tape. >> i think the actions that have been cited by the democrats thus far are the 25th amendment, which is not exactly a solution here. >> it could go back to the house, right? >> correct. if the president were to submit a letter overruling the cabinet and the vice president, two thirds vote in the house and senate to overrule the president. so it's kind of an armful. and i think they wanted to resign which i don't see happening either. but members are talking about it. >> nick? >> yeah, well, clearly kevin mccarthy at the time thought that what donald trump was doing was inciting the violence, was criminal. but it comes down to what you can prove. i mean, don jr. is not going in there and saying that my father was inciting the violence and trying to push the violence in order to stop the count on the electoral college votes. what you see is an e-mail where he basically almost says this has gone too far, politically this is not good for you, it's time to call off the dogs. >> i think that's a fair point but let's unpack that a little because you're referring to that very bad text. i mean, it looks bad because he says -- he warns this will define my father's legacy. that's a bad thing. and what we have now a year and a half later is this is the legacy they're defending, nick. i mean how does the committee and ultimately the doj look at the fact that the public statements since that time show an embrace, a move towards the criminal rioters? >> well, i think that's right. i mean, what we're seeing is -- we don't know all the tools the committee has at this point. we don't know what they have about donald trump's knowledge and what he knew at the time this was going on. but, yes, i think that's where this evidence is heading, that's what they're looking for. even with peter navarro, it all started out by him saying they didn't like the violence because it kind of screwed up their plan to stop the electoral college vote. that's not true. i mean, this is all part of a concerted effort that started right from peter navarro. i'm sure that ivanka. i'm sure that don jr., and i'm sure that ivanka's husband went in there and said nothing about donald trump's knowledge about the violence. i mean, it is -- to me what they are doing is a pr stunt. they're trying to put on the best possible face they can on this for donald trump, and they're going in a line just like a lot of the witnesses did in the watergate trial -- watergate investigation and then wound up being prosecuted for perjury. >> the final question i have for you, again -- well, nick, i want to get in one more thing. we're on a slight tape delay because i'm out here in the field, but the last thing is you mention watergate where there was initially a united kind of wall of opposition and the cracks came. do you see anything here where how can it be that mr. meadows and mr. navarro and mr. bannon who awaits trial have valid claims to executive privilege if the president's own family who worked in the white house waived privilege? i mean, which is it? >> there's no executive privilege here. there is no executive privilege for plotting a insurrection and a coup. end of story. and the supreme court dealt with that back in 1974 in the nixon tape case. and mean, that is just a bogus issue and something else that they're hiding behind in order to not come forward with the truth. and if they use that then they're going to lie and perjure themselves. it's one or the other. so i think what you're going to find here is a lot of this evidence including all of this testimony is going to be sent to doj once this committee has completed its report. this is exactly what we got from the watergate committee during our investigation. all of the testimony, all of the interviews were all turned over to the prosecutor's office, and we used that in terms of our investigation and prosecutions. >> counselor, as always appreciate your expertise and experience. good to see you. there's a lot 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jd vance. and also a victory you cannot sugar coat this for donald trump as well. >> voters turned out for trump backed candidates in many cases. >> i think the guy everybody trump blessed won. >> it shows trump still has significant sway within the republican party. >> almost like a tweet the president would have written himself if he were still allowed to tweet, which he may be again soon. but you get past that kind of simple sloganeering donald trump jump in and the trump guy won, while there was a last minute endorsement while it helped was not the only factor. trump has been trying to jump on the bandwagon of candidates on their way to win anyway. which is smart politics, but it doesn't mean he was the cause. he may just be the correlation. so that odd political marriage also highlighted vance's hypocrisy which matters in the general election. he hasn't won anything yet. he's just the nominee. he likened him to a nazi at one point and embraced trump and the big lie by the time it was all over, which raises questions for ohio voters on who jd vance is in the first place. he also campaigned with matt gets and margery taylor greene. >> he's the guy that said some bad [ bleep ] about me. he's a fearless maga fighter, and most importantly jd is supported by me. >> i've absolutely got to thank the 45th, the president of the united states, donald j. trump. thanks to the president for everything, for endorsing me. >> thank you for being a friend, and you have the results that came in. vance netting just over 30% of the vote. now, matt dolan was seen as a kind of anti-trump republican candidate. he had can came in at 23% or another way to put it a majority of people in this split up race were not for jd vance. and look at the governor's race where he rejected the big lie, seen as something as a moderate in today's party and he did just fine, beating three pro-trump republicans in that primary by 19 points. as an incumbent it's also complicated because he has other advantages. primary season is just ginning in most parts of the country. what you're seeing here is not the ending where donald trump controls all these races but something more like an open clash with someone who if nothing else understands pr and how to go with the hot hand. take it all together and there's something really important happening. there are never-trumpers publicly converting to trumpism basically saying to voters i admit it, i don't stand for anything. that's what they're saying. and the question is how popular is that especially past primaries? and how does that affect them in a general election when issues like everything we've been covering behind me where a lot of moderate conservatives and some republican voters don't welcome overturning roe v. wade or the concern about inflation or the war in ukraine or other issues. are they ready to turn to someone who's basically saying their main qualification for office is their willingness to eat all their words if it 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to write a story that this campaign would be the death of donald trump's america-first agenda. ladies and gentlemen, it ain't the death of the america-first agenda. >> jd vance at his victory speech in ohio. i'm joined by howard dean. the question here is who is jd vance, and does his rhetorical contradictions hurt him in a general election? >> well, jd vance is second writer who got lucky because he wrote a book about the same subject. he and josh holly i put in the same category. lot of b.s., not much loyalty to the united states of america, slick. now, you've asked all the right questions in your lead in, and the answer is nobody knows the answer to these questions. unlike 2016 where i thought trump might win, i actually hope that trump is the nominee this time. he's incredibly divisive, he exhausts people. i also think his brand is wrecked. first of all his brand is in bad shape except for his base, and your analysis of the numbers of vance's races is -- it was a very weak field. people look for experiences look for excuses not to vote for josh mandeli. he's a toxic cant dt and the other two got in a fistfight. i think trump is shrewd and he's endorsing people he thinks he's going to win through mo brooks and the side through alabama because he thought he wasn't going to win which is probably true. and then he's got the stink of the supreme court which is now no longer seen as a legitimate organization by a majority of americans. that's a terrifying thing for the state of our democracy. so we're in big trouble, and do ultimately have faith in american voters they can tell when we're in big trouble, and we are in big trouble. >> well, to paraphrase you, doctor, you say we're in big trouble and you don't have the answers. so not the most encouraging opening to the conversation but -- go ahead. >> no, i was just going to -- ari, the answer is in the american voters. there was a brilliant article this week about the republicans essentially adapting the same tactics used by victor orban to have hungary depart from the state of democracy. that could happen here. the only people that can stop this is are the american voters and they're going to get a chance in about five months. >> yeah. i understand what you're saying there. as for jd vance, i mean you could run ads in ohio targeted with people who think donald trump is a north star and just run the old stuff, not the new stuff where jd vance skewers him. i'm going to play a little bit of this for you and we have both so people can make up their own minds about it. but you can just politically say this is what a never-trumper he's been and people can process that. and if you can't trust someone how do you give them more power sphas you say if you can't trust justices what they say under oath, they say at the time roe is decided, it's a super precedent. and now we're reading a draft that says it's always been wrong. which is it and did you perjure yourself? with that in mind here's jd vance then and thou. >> as somebody who doesn't like trump myself. the elites was right about donald trump. i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him. he's the best president of my lifetime and he revealed the corruption in this country like nobody else. i can't stomach trump. i think that he's noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place. i think he's a good president and making a lot of good decisions for people. >> i think you're not a trump supporter is what i've read. >> i didn't vote for trump. >> all around he's a great president. i'm 37 years old and certainly the best president of my lifetime. >> howard? >> look, that's going to hang him some to a certain extent. but what really matters is what kind of a campaign tim ryan runs. this was the first race in ohio in a long time other than sherrod brown's race. i think we can pick up a senate seat. tim is a working class guy. he is going to run those ads, but he has a message that i think the country badly wants to hear. and in ohio it's a plus eight trump state. so he's got his work cut out for him, but i think it's a wonderful race partly because i've got to believe that eventually, you know, i like ohio. i spent a lot of time in ohio when i was running for president and when i was dnc chair. fundamentally the people from ohio are decent, thoughtful people. at some point decent, thoughtful people can't vote for shisters and people like jd vance or josh holly or this other collection of god knows what's the matter with them. >> everyone knows what aiatang fan you are. and that really seems to be what's happening with billionaires taking more control of everything in america from the economy, which makes sense. that's where they are. to the democracy, to social media that's so powerful when you look at the acquisition of twitter. peter teal is someone who might not be as famous as elon musk, but he was a trump guy from the beginning. he poured money into race. i want to look at one headline here because we only learned this kind of after the fact as you know. $10 million we know of to vance, millions in the final stretch, some of which was wasn't really under our laws, known to ohio voters. we in the press talk about mr. vance, we talk about his endorsements. those things matter, but how much do these tens of millions of dollars that can go through the super-packs to benefit one candidate matter? is there a nominee vance without this billionaire backing? >> well, that's a major problem, too. we have probably not seen as much corruption in the united states since the 1920s the last time that billionaires were running everything. there was some with joe mccarthy in the '50s. though the republican establishment did stand up. interestingly they had the deer in the headlights look then. a lot of people were afraid of joe mccarthy. finally a lot of people stood up and eisenhower said what he privately thought, was the guy needs to go and he did. and that was the end of him. this reminds me of the end of the 1920s, a lot of wealthy billion-airs and not everyone else doing so well, it ended up in a great depression. we're helping for a train wreck right now, and the truth is autocrats don't know how to run anything. and if you don't believe me look at the mess putin got himself into. do we want to live in an autocracy where someone gets to make the rules for women, for poor people, for people of color, for kids who happen to be transgender? i think this kind of stuff is des gusting and i'm betting the american people's decency ultimately will prove that. and if they don't, we're done. america is a dream. i still am an optimist. >> well, you're bumming me out a little bit, but it wasn't, you know -- >> the stakes are enormous. i think americans can pull this out, but let's not mistake the stakes. what's at stake here is the existence of the united states of america as the idea as imperfect as it was when we all came over in 1620 and afterwards. that's what's at stake. >> look, 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but the power in gender dynamics are not. they are blunt. pretty clear, and they're often patently unfair because the attacks on these rights have long run through and via a sexist system of government power. overwhelming male legislatures to a legal system that's long been dominated by men including the building right behind me. indeed one of the key laws that tried to narrow roe and made it all the way back up to the supreme court came in the 1980s by a republican governor. it was passed into a legislature that was 96% male. just 4% of that legislature was made up of women. and it was that law that both reaffirmed and reformed parts of roe's original protections in the landmark planned parent hood versus casey case. pardon me. many republicans were mad because reagan had run against abortion and run on reshaping the courts. but he also pledged to put a woman on the high court searching for a conservative who would uphold the party's increasingly strident pro life agenda. and remember it was president reagan who put the first woman on the supreme court, sandra day o'connor, and when that major case i mentioned, planned parent hood, reached the court it was really a clash between all those men who wrote the law and now a all those men who wrote the law and now a court that would have this final word, and that case was decided by one vote, and it was o'connor's, a republican appointee, a reagan appointee, but you know what, let's be clear. she was also a woman, first woman on the court, and so she exercised her judicial power to uphold roe, and she wrote the main three parts of that majority. it's o'connor who wrote that modern women came of age with, quote, roe's concept of liberty, defining the way for women to act in society and make reproduction decisions for themselves, end quote. for themselves. meaning instead of men making reproductive decisions for women. that is what o'connor was warning against, and while there are certainly many more women in government now, even recent attacks on abortion seem to follow this old trend. take the mississippi law that alito's new draft opinion back. it was passed with 89% of its legislative support for men. alabama, that ban, take a look. 100%, 100% of its supporters were men, but that's a statistic. that's the data. you can also see what that looks like in a pick from just last year in texas. look at this. take this in. the republican governor signing a rule controlling women's body in a room full of mostly men. the gender imbalance in government has been pretty stark like that for such a long time, look at that. look at thousands of men in those legislatures over the years. now even before the draft ruling is out we've skene other states act. yesterday the response to this leaked draft came as the male governor of oklahoma signed a new six-week abortion ban into law enforcement as for justice a loto's draft, we read it. it denies these realities i'm reporting on. now, we don't know if any of the five justices that were on his side in february will push back to his written plan, but i want you to understand tonight before he go that he writes in the plan that oe is ended, all abortion rules and bans should get a green light from the courts. they should be cleared under the lowest standard. they should be passed, he says, just on a rational basis. that's the lowest standard there is. why such a low standard? i'll tell you. in this draft opinion alito quotes a case that mentions the goal of preventing abortion and states it's not automatically sexist in his view. he refers to, quote, invidious animus against women and says these rules don't have that, and he says because of that, going forward courts should okay abortion laws by that low standard that i'm talking about, so alito overturns precedent after claiming to respect it. he says this entire opinion is neutral on the issue of abortion when, come on. everyone can see it's not, and then he claims that this is not about power and gender at all, but as i just showed you, it is. justice alito's claims as written are not true, so for all the talk in washington about a leak endangering the supreme court, it's not just the leak. it's actually the substance, the sweeping actions in the draft itself that could ultimately undermine the integrity and honesty of this supreme court far more gravely while perpetuating a clash over gender, power and human rights that could be with us well as long as some in power insist on restricting other people's liberties in ways they would never do when governing themselves. we'll be right back with one more thing. selves we'll be right back with one more thing allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. 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