live coming up. welcome to "meet the press daily." i'm chris jansing in for chuck todd. right now new evidence of russian war crimes. atrocities in ukraine continuing to mount. new satellite images show what could be a mass grave about 12 miles east of mariupol. ukrainian officials say as many as 9,000 bodies could be buried in that grave. the mayor says more than twice that many civilians in his city have died. >> reporter: according to. >> translator: according to our estimates, we have around 20,000 deaths, civilians, in mariupol. these were people buried by minute -- enemy shelling and bombardment. we are witnessing the enemy trying to hide their crimes, using the element of mass graves. russia continues to bomb a steel plant where the last remaining ukrainian fighters in that city are hold up. russia is intensifying its assault on eastern ukraine, in the donbas regions while broadening its ambitions. one senior general says his forces hope to capture all of southern ukraine during this new phase of the war, creating a land bridge from russia to crimea. we received word that john kirby will brief reporters later this hour. we will monitor that and bring you any news as soon as it happens. i'm joined by matt bradley in ukraine and i'm joined by the deputy mayor of ukraine and kurt volcker. thank you all for being here. so, matt, russia first said they wanted to focus on eastern ukraine. the senior russian general now saying russia wants to capture all of southern ukraine. what can you tell us about russia and its objectives now? >> it looks as though they want to join from the eastern donbas region, not just to crimea, which is what a lot of military analysts were saying at the outset of this war. they want to bring that land bridge all the way over to the west to join the nation of moldova. there is a russian-backed separatist enclave called transnitsia. they're already well on the way. they've had more success, the russians, in southern ukraine than they have anywhere else. their initial assault on the capitol of kyiv, which was embarrassingly repelled. kharkiv is continuing to be bombed. that's a city that's part of the eastern section of the country that is part of russia's ambition. it looks like russia wants to take the whole east, the russian speaking part and bring their dominion all the way across through mykaliev, essentially going way toward this other goal, which looks like reconstituting some of the old soviet union. this was a very, very threatening development. and it goes to show the mentality that vladimir putin and the russians have. they have said time and time again and vladimir putin we heard years ago saying the collapse of the soviet union was one of the greatest tragedies in recent history. and now taking part of moldova. outside of kyiv, putin's army has withdrawn. if he is to take the entire southern coast, making ukraine a land-locked country, it will require more sieges on more cities and more civilians will be suffering. >> no doubt about that, matt. thank you. i want to turn now to the deputy mayor of mariupol. sergei, putin is claiming success in your city. we know there are still troops, still civilians in that steel plant. what more do you know about that situation? >> we heard for many days that putin took control in mariupol. yes, it's true russia temporary provided some territory might be a percentage of the city but ukrainian army still controls southern part and nearest districts. so everything is a lie from russia that they stopped the attack on mariupol. it continues day by day and hour by hour. they continue even now to do air strikes. it's very hard to defend. they've been surround for 50 days but they stay brave. we believe it with will be possible either diplomatic or military ways soon. >> you are hopeful? you think something there can be done? >> me personally do not believe in diplomatic way because a lot of world leaders talk to putin and he is absolutely don't want to hear nothing about diplomatic ways. so me personally believe in military way and thanks to their military support from the usa, from what comes directly to ukraine. >> why do you think, sergei, that putin is claiming mariupol has fallen? and is there any indication of russian troops leaving the city? >> first of all, it's best -- it's good for putin and -- he is looking for any attempt, for any possibility to find some symbol in this war, in mariupol, on this way so it's important but it's not true. and we believe it would not be so. >> we know that the horrors that people have had to endure there, starvation and more and all of that and all of that is seen in what these new satellite images show and that is some evidence of additional mass graves. what do you know about that and what do you know about the fatalities that have happened in your city? >> we should understand that mariupol is, as we remember our city and the past it does not exist as a city. it is totally destroyed. and now a calculation, number of victims, of killed people are 21,000. so we understand that russia totally blocked the city for more than 15 days. they do not allow -- they are hiding all these war crimes. this information, we investigate and we know that russia hides all these war crimes, all this genocide and hides dead bodies of our citizens. and today also we find another place and we will share with you and other journalists that's on their western direction from mariupol on the cemetery. we also think that it is mass grave. so putin hides all this war crimes and genocide in mass graves. >> one thing he can't do is hide the first person accounts of what has happened. and in "the washington post" some folks who were able to get out of the city on thursday talked to the reporters there and they said on thursday the escaped civilians came with horror stories of the brutal tactics russian forces used. they went house to house in search of perceived enemies. what do you want the world to know about mariupol and how does the world hold putin accountable for what he's done? >> our city was a peaceful and fast developing city, thanks to all the support that came from usa to our government. and at the moment it does not exist anymore. i want that all the world knows that here in mariupol putin and his army kills mostly ethnic russians. so mariupol was mostly russian speaking country with ukrainian and we are telling about 21,000 killed people. we should know and all the world should know at least 40% of them are ukrainian. so he's killing ethnic russian. and we think and we hope, we know that he won't rebuke anything in my city and we will duplicate our city with the international help, with the braveness of our soldiers and surely we will review our beautiful city. >> finally international help. if there's one thing right now if you can send a message to countries and to president biden, what information do you have for them? >> it it's absolutely critical, all the military help. i mean this artillery system, multiple launch rocket system. i know that ukrainian army is ready to make the location and we are waiting for such weapon. as i'm told, i do not believe in diplomatic way, so we're very thankful and waiting for this help to start. >> sergei orlof, the extraordinary bravery of the people who remain in ukraine and your country inspires the world. thank you for taking the time for talking to us. let me go on former ambassador kurt volcker. i hardly know where to begin. the number of pieces of evidence of mass graves continues to grow. at this moment what do you see as putin's strategy? >> well, i think he's trying to salvage something he can portray as a success to justify this tremendous loss of life, loss of military equipment, loss of military personnel, crushing actions on the russian economy. he needs something to show it was worth it. what he's trying to do is carve off this piece of eastern ukraine through mariupol, create this land to crimea and possibly all the way across to moldova but that will be much, much harder. >> if he's able to do that and claim some sort of victory, do you think that gives him an off ramp and then go to the negotiating table? do you think he ever wants to negotiate? >> no, no. and we should not -- we should drop the idea that putin wants an off ramp. putin is doing what he wants to do. he wants to build a new russian empire on he want to take this territory. even if he takes a pause to regroup that doesn't mean he's going to stop. his ambitions will still be bigger. that's why we are to continue it do everything we can to help ukrainians stop putin. >> the secretary of state will be going to host a group and the strategy seems to be to provide ukraine with weapons, artillery and continue to build on it. we saw drones developed specifically for fighting in ukraine. do you think that is the most effective and sustainable strategy right now? >> it is a piece of it for sure. i this what secretary alston was doing is exactly right. i think after president biden's trip to warsaw, he came back from the u.s., tony blinken came back from his thafls and he flt look until then it was what won't we do, what limited things can we do that might pro vood. it feels now as though we are actually trying to put ourselves in ukraine's shoes, figure out what do they need to successfully push the russians out. what can we give them and if we don't have it, what can others give them and how can we keep supplying them on a sustained basis? because this is not just once and done. we're going to have to keep helping the ukrainians over time. i think what he's doing there is great a that is a significant part of a real strategy. there's more we need to be asking ourselves what we with do. what can we do to help ukraine get to the fighters in mariupol? can we give relief to these. things that we need to be thinking about but you need to be extremely pro active to help ukraine advance and push the russians back from its territory before it's too late. >> earlier in this broadcast we talked a lot about how nato had come together, how much of a difference we were seeing now than under the previous administration, that they seem to be speaking essentially with one voice in defense of democracy, but are they as united as they need to be, as they can be? because, as you say, this is not a one and done. this is something that's going to be going on wherever it is, a week from now, a month from now. this is going to be a long-term process. >> yeah. it dough pends on what we're talking about. if we're talking about nato's number one job, which is the defense of nato members, there is 100% unity. everyone is committed to this. we will not sit still if russia moves beyond attacking ukraine to attacking a nato member. but where it starts to break down is how much should nato do to provide support to ukraine where the war actually is going on and does that create a risk of widening the war that brings nato countries into it. that's the uncertainty of how far do we go? the u.s. was part of that saying there will not be used fortunately we've dropped the arms restriction now. i think that uncertainty still exists and the u.s. needs to be leading, as we see with secretary auston's visit. >> let me ask you finally the same question i asked the deputy mayor. i don't think there's a doubt in anybody's mind that in spite of the horrors, the atrocities, the war crimes that we've seen so far, when this is over we're going to even learn a lot more. how does the world hold vat mir. >> it what we should not settle for a situation where russia emerges from this having successfully taken more ukrainian territory and putin remains in power. this has to be now an objective. secondly, the sanctions have to remain in place until that happens. so there shouldn't be any talk of easing sanctions but only increasing them. and here europe getting off of russian oil and gas is critical. it's providing hundreds of millions of dollars to putin that he is using to fund the war effort. that has to be shut off. and finally, personal accountability for war crimes. now, war crimes are things that are not only where a country is identified as having it and we p have to make sure he and his generals and intelligence officers are all held personally accountable for war crimes. >> former ambassador kurt volcker, thank you for your time today. >> can. coming up, we'll play new audio and discuss the ramifications ahead. and later, with just weeks before the primary, a fiery debate in pennsylvania as democrats try to flip a senate seat in that key battleground state. you're watching "meet the press daily ou ♪ don't you worry, don't you worry, don't worry about me ♪ u worry, don't worry about me ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®. my a1c wasn't at goal, now i'm down with rybelsus®. mom's a1c is down with rybelsus®. 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he feels bad for what happened. he told me he does have some responsibility for what happened and he needs to acknowledge that. >> he said trump bears some responsibility and acknowledged that. it's also worth a reminder of mccarthy saying exactly what he denied in that "times" report about trump's role in the insurrection. >> are you hearing that he might resign? is there any reason to think that might happen? >> i've had a few discussions. my gut tells me no. i'm seriously thinking of having that conversation with him tonight. i haven't talked to him in a couple days. from what i know of him, you guys all know him, too. do you think he'd ever back away? i think what i'm going to do is i'm going to call him. this is one personal view i have. i do not want to get into any conversation about pence. the only discussion i would have with him is that i think it would pass and it would be my recommendation to -- that would be my recommendation. >> the reporters behind the story say there are a lot more tapes to come. vaughn hillyard is in columbus, ohio following the republican senate primary. and also with us, carlos curbelo. any reaction on reaction in congress on the content and mccarthy lying about it? >> the reactions are coming on the content. there's not necessarily a structure for what happens if you lie. this is the way that the public actually gets the clear and accurate and transparent view of the way that these lawmakers talk about trump behind closed doors and in private. that was always true throughout the trump administration, too, by the way. we would hear from republican source who is would shake their head at some of the things that trump would do and worse and then of course publicly you wouldn't see any of that. this is a prime way republicans talk about trump writ large. this is only going to matter if it matters to donald trump. the rally tomorrow is a place where trump can either lash out at mccarthy or make nothing of this and mccarthy can continue on. we know he wants to be speaker. we heard from just one republican, hinson in ohio, saying she still feels mccarthy is the eventual speaker here. that's notable but of course that's not a loud chorus of people. unfortunately for us this story comes during the end of a lengthy recess so there's not many lawmakers around. at the same time next week, this will be pretty much the only thing that we're talking about, especially if the president is mad about it. >> the the waup said trump talked last night. they talked after the call was released. what do we know about that? >> you know, this is i think the perfect example of where the republican party remains in 2022, chris. look where donald trump is going to be tomorrow. he's going to be at a rally here in ohio alongside j.d. vance who just a few years ago called him reprehensible, called him an idiot and said he was a never trumper. but this is still the republican party's structure here. as long as you become subservient to donald trump, you are kol wm and paul, rick perry. this is more than feisty words that these republicans used against dropped. these were direct effort like kevin still in 2022, this is donald trump's party. he still has the influence and the power apparatus around him. mccartsee not naive to the fact that there would be other republicans po who. he was at a county event just also a night. and they think that's where it gets to the heart of the question. will donald trump knowing these word happened a year ago allow mccarthy to continue within his power structure. as long as he's subservient now, is that okay with him? >> "the washington post" reporting is that trump was not upset about mccarthy's remarks and was glad the republican leader didn't follow through. that's according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity. does that surprise you? >> well, chris, really none of this is surprising. first to ali's point, this is big news but for a long time we've known that almost all republicans who have served in congress and in the house and in the senate know that donald trump was responsible for what happened on the 6th of january. almost every republican who serves in the house and the senate understands that it's very likely that there was. we're just hearing what republicans say amongst each other all the time. i've heard those conversations many times. i've talked to people and they all recognize the truth now. the american people get to hear this as well. >> but does it matter? that's really the question. is it going to move anybody? is it going to move any of cho. right now it does seem like republicans have big advantage go into 2022. these issues of integrity, do move independent and other centrist voters. so this could have an impact in some 2022 races and depending on what donald trump decides to do in 2024, this could have a major impact as well. the more the truth is revealed, it does have an impact. it may not be in theable immediately but certainly people see this, they process this news, they really start to question why some leaders haven't been honest over the last couple years and that does ultimately show up in election results, country. we're not going to see it immediately but certainly this will trickle through he said what trump did was indefensible. three months later he's defending him. take a listen. >> i've had it with this guy. what he did is unself-able. nobody can defend it and nobody should. >> he ended the call saying tell me you'll put season out lay that's how you get from a to b, the fact that he still has such a hold on the base of this party and, frankly, many lawmakers who are here as a part of this caucus. i think the overarcing themes is if trump is not there's also a d.c. parlor game going on and it will continue to rmt to say are you the ones that leaked this call? both denied it. at the same time, that's a parlor game. there's the national republican trump lens it, there is the who leaked this call, and then there's the what does this mean in the republican caucus? and that's the conversation that we're going to be having here in the rals and frankly the full caucus are you or if there is someone who is able to put that ban alg. >> i think there's another part of this potentially. there are more tapes. they've made it more clear there are moe tapes. we don't know who is heart on those tapes but if you're a republican who has had and the way joyce advance they certainly will think twice poe accept that might be i nm. >> certainly this has to be very frustrating for rang and you file republicans. here they are two years after the trump presidency has concluded -- which, by the way, and here they are nsh and they're still stuck if the it. and i can guarantee you a lot of house and senate republicans are really frustrated with feeling almost stuck in time. like this movie never ends. you've seen some people just get tired of it. mo brooks, who is one of president trump's fearest allies broke with him when trump withdrew his endorsement and said the truth. and i think you might see more and more of that because at the end of the day, people get tired of putting up the charade, ducking every question, of trying to produce answers that don't really mean anything but are evasive. it gets old. for these members of congress, this is all they've done if. >> you done temperature certainly have of enthusiasm, the level are forecast they may make some democrats sit up. and places like ohio, we need to get our act together. what's at stake here is honesty. what's at stake here, as we all know, who is going to run the house and senate? >> i think there's not much support on the republican side here. you got adam kinzinger and liz cheney. it's not like the leader in thoo. >> the list goes down the line here of otherwise respected individuals and they're not coming to the defense of the lacks a many there are literally just seven house republicans perceived as opposition forces here. he's backed primary challengers against them. just seven. republicans have stepped outside of the lines in dropped that's a very small number of institutional republicans who are supposed to stand on the line for each other. >> liz cheney is one of the recipients of the profile in courage because he is such app outlier and has stood up with pretty much no support from her own party. still to come, we're going to head to pennsylvania as democrats try to seize an opportunity to pick up a senate seat in a very difficult mid-term environment. you're watching "meet the press daily." watching "meet the pres daily. ♪ walking on ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ ♪ some ♪ ♪ may say ♪ ♪ i'm wishing my days away ♪ ♪ no way ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ nina's got a lot of ideas for the future. and since anyone can create a free plan at fidelity, nina has a plan based on what matters most to her. and she can simply focus on right now. that's the planning effect. from fidelity. ♪ ♪ when you order the all new deluxe three cheese and bacon omelette, you get a smile on your plate. only from ihop. join the rewards program and earn double pancoins with any omelette purchase. welcome back. it was a fierce and fiery debate last night with the democratic primary for pennsylvania's open senate seat less than a month away. the most explosive moment, when pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenyatta pressed him on when he chased after a black man with a shot gun. both men pushing him to apologize. >> not only will john not admit he was pointing a gun at this person, he won't answer your question as to whether he did anything wrong and should have done it dinly. i think that's disqualifies for anybody. >> you have an opportunity with all of pennsylvania watching to say i'm sorry. >> that never happened. >> you still refuse to say i'm sorry for this day? >> i'm the only democrat -- >> you're the only democrat who used a shotgun to chase down a an unarmed black man. >> it didn't look like a boring debate. tell us your big takeaway. >> reporter: things clearly got heated. last night of the first opportunity his rivals had in person and on a big stage to try to chip away at that lead and they certainly tried to take jabs at every turn that they could. that shotgun incident, it was bound to come up, it's bound to come up again. his answer clearly wasn't satisfying to his opponent. was it satisfying to voters? do voters care? that remains to be seen. among the many reasons this race is so critical to watch is because pennsylvania, this race on both the democratic and the republican side is really a microcosm of what we're seeing on a national level on in both parties. last night much of the discussion focused around electability. connor lamm was asked if he was too moderate, the other if he was too aggressive. i want you to hear a little bit of their exchanges on that. >> i've delivered on our values, but i'm the only person on this stage who has gone into the republican territory and beaten a republican head to head when it counts. that's what prepares me for the election in november. >> at least bernie sanders voted and supports his agenda as opposed to your mentor in this 2022 race. >> reporter: the stakes could not be higher for democrats. it's probably their best shot for picking up a senate seat in november. >> are you anticipating this 2013 incident, let's assume that he wins, that's what the polls suggest. we don't know. are republicans using that again him? 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[ chuckles ] that's 'cause you're like 4. 4 1/2. switch to progressive, and you can save hundreds. you know, like the sign says. welcome back. on this earth day, cities across the globe are facing unprecedented risk from climate change. sea levels continue to rise, natural disasters become more frequent, and political movement around climate solutions is slow going. so some cities are taking solutions into their own hands. this week on "meet the press reports" we're looking at copenhagen and miami as they work together to implement climate solutions. nbc chief environmental affairs correspondent anne thompson has new reporting from both cities. take a look. >> one of the things that you will find both here and in miami beach is this -- the challenge of the rising sea level and the extreme rains that are getting more and more extreme in the future climate. there are a lot to learn from each other. >> reporter: engineer christian nielsen is a strategic adviser to miami beach and one of the designers of copenhagen's climate resilient initiatives. this design-centric city of 1.4 million people is growing in population while adapting to climate risks. as nielsen shows us in st. anne's square. ten years ago, what did this look like? >> this area is the former lineup for the ferries going out of copenhagen. you would have one lane of parking, two lanes of driving traffic. more or less asphalt from facade to facade. >> reporter: now it's what he calls a cloud burst street. >> we chase the profile of the street to a v shape, and when the flood overloads the separate storm sewer systems, it goes to the street and flows into the green median, and from there it's diverted directly into the harbor. >> anne is with me now. fascinating stuff. why copenhagen and miami? how did they get together, and are there similarities to the kinds of challenges they're facing? >> there are. copenhagen is a mecca for american cities trying to figure out how to go green. both copenhagen and miami beach face sea level rise and flooding. copenhagen had really bad floods in 20111, 2012. and miami beach has something called sunny day flooding where even on a sunny day the water will come up through the porous limestone. they've worked together, miami beach is learning from copenhagen about how to become more climate resilience. one of the things miami beach is doing is lifting half of its streets two feet up to get away from sea-level rise. by the end of the decade, it's predicted that sea levels will rise as much as ten inches in miami beach. they're also building sea walls. in copenhagen they're building a giant man made island as opposed to a seawall to try to stop any flooding that would come from sea level rise. >> those are talking about how do we deal with the problems resulting from, right, climate change, but what about investments like in carbon neutrality? how do you make sure and what are we learning from copenhagen about making sure it doesn't get worse? >> so copenhagen has a really laudable goal of becoming carbon neutral by 2025. it's only about -- >> that almost sounds crazy. >> right. it's only about 65% of the way there. copenhagen already has a biking culture which helps reduce emissions. 42% of its commuters go to work by bike. yet -- so how does it get all the way to carbon neutrality? that's where something called carbon capture comes in, and that is actually capturing the carbon dioxide from a power plant or an industry before it goes up into the atmosphere. that's great technology. the problem is it's really expensive. and when you watch this report, you'll see just how expensive it is for one plant and why they're having a hard time finding financing. >> fascinating stuff on this earth day. always good to see you. thank you for coming in. and you can catch this entire episode of "meet the press reports" available on demand right now on peacock. we'll be back monday with more "meet the press daily." if it's sunday, it's "meet the press" on your local nbc station. msnbc coverage continues with katy tur after the break. he brek at fidelity, you can make a free plan for what matters, even if you don't have it all figured out. it's more like...a feeling. turning that feeling into a roadmap...for free? 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