they may hit millions of dollars a year in new taxes. republicans are clear this is basically the use of government power to go after a company for its views or values, that it is a penalty tax because they supported equal rights. this has become something of a litmus test on the right especially among those who are positioning presidential runs. senator cruz is also attacking disney with the bizarre claim, wait for it, yes, he does want attention for it but also it is damaging enough and dumb enough and he has enough power as a senator that we have to deal with it. mr. cruz now says the company could include cartoon sex scenes in children's programming. >> there are people who are misguided trying to drive, you know, disney stepping in saying, you know, in every episode now they're going to have, you know -- you know, mickey and pluto going at it like really? >> thank you for that image, senator. >> it's just like, come on, guys. these are kids and, you know, you could always shift to cinemax if you want that. >> this is standard political propaganda. ted cruz makes a false hypothetical accusation against disney or some people and then acts as the defender of the thing that's not happening. and that brings us, as we start the hour, with a double fact check. fact check number one, mickey mouse and pluto are cartoon animals. they don't go at it. they've never gone at it and as far as we can tell, this is the news, the only people in the world publicly conjuring that image, whatever you want to make of it, the only person is ted cruz. the only reason this is on your tv and on your tv is because of ted cruz and yet he is the one who claims he would defend you against conjuring the image of those cartoons going at it. that first fact check was exhausting. i'm being sarcastic. cruz and desantis, they're not in line with the majority of americans here. there are aspects of these issues especially when you get to children and schooling and how to deal with these issues that can be complex but on the big questions about eight out of ten americans support the laws that protect people against discrimination, be that discrimination based on gender identity, these related issues and the numbers are quite high as well as when you get into racial discrimination. the fact is there is broad support across america including among ind pep dents and self-identified conservatives, to let people be themselves and to not let them be sacksed or punished for who they are. now there is a political issue that has come up when you get into real world situations about how and when to deal with these topics with children and that's sort of the narrow wedge that's being used, exploited and lied about, but at large what disney is saying is what most americans are saying and it's like what people and desantis and cruz are very upset over. new attacks from the right trying to fire up a very specific part of the right. it's not all republicans. it's not all conservatives. it's a much narrower subset they think they need for a future presidential election, everyone needs to pay the cost, disney with money and a lot of other people with a lot more on the line. let's get to it. i'm joined by jay comenduri and lids plank, the author of "for the love of men" which explores feminism and masculine knit at this. welcome to both of you. >> thanks, ari. >> good to be here, ari. >> good to have you. i can divide this up in a number of ways. i'm not going to assign who has to defend pluto against ted cruz's accusations. jay, i cite the numbers because there are other issues, certainly some racial issues where we do see real big divisions in our society, especially when you get to the details of look at the racism in policing. how do you fix it? why disagree? we cover that a lot. what's striking is a lot of americans, a vast majority when asked point blank do you want this discrimination, they say no. what do you want out of the politics coming out of florida and ted cruz? >> first let me say i would be happy to represent pluto. great dog. very loyal. wonderful. great character, but i do think politically this is a bit of a mystery based on glenn youngkin's victory where he used culture war attacks and based on ron desantis and his pole numbers have held steady, they haven't gone down since he's been doing this. as to why they're doing this and the nature of this, i think it's kind of a complicated issue. i think we can say quite bluntly what ted cruz is trying to do there with using the qanon style pedophilia style attacks of endangering children, the gop is trying to mainstream qanon. they're trying to bring that into the gop. if that seems farfetched to you, remember what they did with birtherism. they did the same thing. they took something on the fringe and they very successfully mainstreamed it into the republican party so they could draw upon those energies going into the mid term. i think the problem for democrats politically is for a lot of working class voters who might be open to these sorts of appeals, we simply have not been able to deliver the things that we had promised we would deliver. now you can blame joe manchin for that. i think a lot of blame lies there. you might be able to blame joe biden for that. the reality is voters blame democrats for not getting things done and seeming to be intellectual. >> liz? >> yeah. so i am definitely team pluto. i didn't have ted cruz talking about pluto and mickey being gay on my bingo card here. i have to agree. i think this is a very big distraction from the issues americans care about. they care about the inflation right now. the fact that they can't afford gas and putting food on their table to feed their kids, making sure their kids can breathe clean air. but this is a great distraction from the fact the rich are getting richer and that ceo pay has gone up 9% last year. and a republican party if there is a republican party beyond pluto, mickey and the green m&m and the next iteration of this culture war we end up encountering, they don't have a lot to bring to the table. what you're seeing in your perfect intro is the strongman argument, right? that disney somehow is creating the story line that disney is not creating and what disney is doing is uncontroversial. standing with children no matter how they identify. they want to make sure their characters are diverse and represent the 50 million school children who are -- the majority of them are non-white. the fact that they look like these shows is not a controversial thing. >> the issue of the generational change, liz, it's no accident we're talking about the future generation, the children, the next -- the next people who will populate society because there's clearly something about that that is threatening. i think we've all experienced so many political cycles around that with race, race is america's original sin. it remains a huge challenge and donald trump put resurgent open appeals to bigotry and racism up on the big stage that we haven't seen in decades. racism was there. that we know. the idea of this resurgent male centered sexism and a fear of anything else, right? and these gender conversations, that is somewhat more recent. and so you know where i'm going, liz. what's sillier than ted cruz talking about pluto? tucker carlson talking about anything but especially gender. >> i knew it. >> you knew it. take it away. here we go. >> you're in hard times. well, hard iron sharpens iron and there's hard times inevitably reduce men who are tough, men who are resourceful, men who are strong enough to survive and then they go on to re-establish order and so "the cycle" begins again. >> thank you for that. >> the flexing at the end. that's real. i want to be clear. you could drop that into the top of snl and people would think it was parity. you've been writing about this. you've been writing specifically about tucker now. that's the original for people who get their 5 hours of tucker's programming and want the original stuff. >> want more. >> that's what you're going to get. what do you see here as the threat? and then if we can open our hearts, i think your book talks about that, i say this earnestly, where does this fit into a conversation with people who might be getting weird, weird doe information or bad information or misinformation where there is a genuine exploration of gender fluidity and these issues that there previously was around sexuality. how do you turn the corner and not say tucker's dumb and everyone goes in their corner, quote, unquote. >> i love that question, ari. with a party obsessed with masculine knit at this and strong men i can't think of something that is least strong or more weak, i guess, than going after queer kids, children in general and underpaid teachers. i can think of something, yeah, weaker, going after someone who is half your size, right? that's number one. number two, to the point of your question, what tucker carlson is speaking to, i think he is very talented at this, he is speaking to real things. in this trailer that we just saw you would -- truly at the root of that is there are dwindling testosterone levels so this is a real thing. it's not because men aren't men and they're drinking soy lattes or, again, watching disney movies with pluto in there, it's because of climate change. it's because of the lack of governmental regulations when it comes to plastic, bpa and things that we're ingesting but the studies are showing that we eat the equivalent of a credit card of plastic every week just from the products that we're handling. so there are -- this is the real issue for men. men's health is the real important thing we should all care about. saying this will be solved through red light their pi and bromiopathy and pseudo science crap is dangerous to men. it exploits their real fears which are valid and we need to discuss as a society. >> the people purveying this might be different than the people in the covid context are information victims. they might have other valid concerns that relate. we're just scratching the surface on the conversation. i do feel we addressed the stupidity. always our part of the job in the news. got to the import. i want to thank liz plank. what we have coming up. on the beat we have these special reports. i have a new one we're working on. this is about a plan that, one, could put donald trump back on twitter with the help from the world's richest man, elon musk. it's our special report. also with a fact check of what you need to know about musk's latest reports on freedom of democracy. i noticed i wasn't as sharp as i used to be. my wife introduced me to prevagen and so i said "yeah, i'll try it out." i noticed that i felt sharper, i felt like i was able to respond to things quicker. and i thought, yeah, it works for me. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. 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up big tech. this has been a conversation for a mt. now. policy and politics have not fully adjusted to what has become this massive power of tech companies and those titans who run them. the fact is, the largest companies today are not banks or oil companies anymore, they are the top tech companies. the people who founded them are far richer than any other people in the entire history of capitalism. that's a big deal. that's a big shift. america has laws that restrict, for example, how many tv stations and newspapers one person can own. that's something rupert mourdock has run into. those laws were written before congress could imagine this kind of massive media power on this new set of internet tubes and platforms. that regulatory loophole is why we are witnessing whether twitter can be bought and wholly owned by one person, in this case, the world's richest person, elon musk. the news tonight, he is racing to get financing to complete an acquisition to buy twitter outright. he could mix his fortune with investor support and drop a whopping $43 billion to buy the whole thing. so this is a story of business and a story of speech. that's what powers twitter. but also of politics. more than any other american, donald trump showed the reach and potential damage of twitter as a platform. he literally used it to summon people to d.c. to stage an insurrection. he didn't give a national televised address. he's the president at the time after all. he used twitter to get to the people that he exactly wanted to get to and used an algorithm that stokes at the time exactly the kind of division and hate that he wants. it was that more than anything that got him banned from the platform outright and now elon musk is fanning the idea that twitter is something different than simple publisher. we know publishers can post orban anyone. here we're seeing something different. propping up twitter, especially if he gets ahold of it, it would be a true town where where everyone, including donald trump, can say virtually anything. >> i think it's very important for -- that it be an inclusive arena for free speech where -- so, yeah. twitter has become the de facto town square so it's just really important that people have the -- both the reality and the perception that they're able to speak freely within the parameters of the law. >> that sounds like someone trying to get people back on the platform if he were in charge. now elon musk is clever at business and strategy. he's made himself one of the more controversial but also more popular members by the relative scale of his billionaire peers. he certainly in more measures is loved across the spectrum than zuckerberg ger or bezos. he sold the green image on the left. he gathered government subsidies from both parties. in the obama era he was telling them about the national space programs and positioning himself with a national steward and then he cozied up to republicans for tax breaks. while trump has made a point clashing with elon's tuck peers like bezos, trump also has clearly said in public he sees musk as more of a potential ally. >> i especially want to congratulate someone who truly embodies the ethos of big thinking and risk taking. he's a little different than most people. elon musk, congratulations. >> and the feeling may be mutual, or at least it's perceived that way. that's what's happening this week whether you've been following this as a business story or democracy story. elon musk's very real push to get people back on twitter has some very well known trump fans salivating over the thought that this business deal could unlock the art of the deal, if you will, and get trump back online. >> for once this isn't about power and money. musk is doing it to save free speech. >> it's not an over statement to say it could be the single most important development for free speech in the modern history of the united states. >> the five people at this table all are fans of elon musk. i don't think -- >> all of us are. >> i am. >> this is a guy who's made a lot of money. been very successful. loves this country and the freedoms it affords. >> he's our edison. this is our da vinci of our generation. >> okay. okay. first of all, it's always worth a little caution when people start declaring billionaires who are skilled at self-interest and amassing wealth as some kind of a once in a millen oninnovator, creator or artist. you saw fox's brian killme there. he sounded like another infamous fan who's known for his own hyperbole, kanye west. >> i am warhol. i am the number one most impactful artist of our generation. i am shakespeare in the flesh, walt disney. picasso is dead. steve jobs is dead. walt disney is dead. name somebody living that you can name in the same breath as them. i have ideas that can make the human race existence within our 100 years better. now who's going to be the medicci family and stand up and let me create more? >> fall back like at least a little bit. this is what we're talking about, a world where billionaires declare themselves or their loud, powerful allies declare them. if you want to be that historic, that will take hundreds of billions of years, that's history. having said that, musk is very talented. he could improve twitter as a business for people, that's possible. he's doing things that matter that are different. he's disrupting space travel. he is really changing the auto industry in some amazing and hopeful ways. tesla is helping fight climate change while making money, no doubt about that. each tesla car saves an estimated 500 pounds of co2 a year while reducing gas. that's why they have shouted elon musk out. as one famously said, can't see straight. these shades, celine dion, you can't gas me up. shout out to elon. shout out to tyler. so, yes, nothing about the problems with this issue in corporate or individual control of twitter takes away from musk's rather impressive record. reporting on this subjectively doesn't require a negative view of him at all or the prospects here but we put this report together to make something clear, because this is a very big deal for democracy. the reporting shows and the objective facts are that musk is a billionaire entrepreneur. you might say, duh, ari, i already knew that. his skills, his record, his ropul means self-interest, business and profit is his motivation and his skill and it will continue to be what he is about. indeed, under law he has a fiduciary duty to the investors that i told you tonight he is pursuing right now. he must maximize profits for them even if he takes it private. that's a fact. he cultivates this image that he's a principled friend of maga. fascinating icon know class stick celebrity who happens to have tens of billions of dollars. this isn't accidental. it's something to cast him as another someone doing a business deal. that's what he is. he's been very shrewd of positioning himself as a free thinking, softer, relatable person who can cameo with the best of them. >> thank you very much. it's an honor to be hosting "saturday night live." >> mr. musk -- >> congratulations on the promotion. >> thank you very much. >> fantastic. >> good idea for an electric test. >> you do. we'll make it work. >> good luck, once you're there. get the bastard. >> i want to say to anyone i offended, did you think i was going to be a chill, normal dude? >> okay. the punch line is that he has no chill, that he's probably chill about very little and he is very bright and strategic and that is important here because we are talking about a platform that does impact our democracy in ways that quite frankly many in congress don't even understand. they don't even claim to sometimes if you watch the tech oversight hearings. political strategist who joined us earlier said this is not just a place to have philosophical debates but to, quote, promote his financial interests. indeed, musk's fight one cryptocurrency after tweeting that he was holding on to his investments, he's also helped impact tesla's share price that went up after a tweet about something he was going to announce after a press conference. he was able to buy the stock at an artificially low price according to critics and all of that is the times that musk was just engaging twitter as a user, not an owner, albeit a very influential one. if he becomes an owner of this platform, i want to be clear, elon musk could unilaterally do all kinds of things. they could be transparent or not. nothing in our current laws would force his hand on a lot of the core running of the platform. it focuses on the funders, not the secret sauce, not whether he decides to unilaterally reinstate putin or trump or what twitter represents which could be something he could do to enrich his companies that could be legal most of the time. going back to komanduri said helping trump along with the gop which in turn will help increase his own bank account. musk talks about limited bank account. he goes on talking about the legitimacies. you need to know this, he's made a thin and maybe dangerous argument that democracies are essentially just corporations with military. >> the government is the biggest corporation with a monopoly on violence and where you have no recourse. >> the government is the biggest corporation. that's an argument, we can debate it, but the things that make people believe in their governments when they do well, when they're patriotic, stand up for civil rights, protect the little guy or find ways to help people who don't have value to a corporation like children who aren't even allowed to work for them, that's different than a corporation. corporations don't give out money to kids or school lunches, help people who fall on hard times. that's his view. it is a long ways from what a lot of people believe democracy can provide. in silicon valley, libertarian is often just code for republican. he moved tesla's headquarters out of that whole california blue state area to texas to get tax cuts. other people were leaving texas because they had a big government, antiabortion law. a little bit of irony but only hypocritical if you took the original claim seriously. if you listen to musk he will tell you his purchase of twitter and the changes he will make will improve the platform, help free speech and also along the way be profitable. the reporting shows and his record reveals that many of his past claims about ideology and principle remain negotiable for the bottom line. that doesn't make him a bad businessman. let's talk about what he is. musk did not create the patch work that allows billionaires to wield this much power, but he benefits from it. we're in a world where billionaires can buy and sell and we have uncheckable powers. one day it could be bringing back trump. another day it could be banning the democratic candidate or republican or it could be secretly minimizing or muting the speech of one party or the critic of, say, one billionaire owner. no matter what happens with this attempted takeover, i'll tell you one thing that might be a positive step if you want everyone to pay attention to this very confusing fast-moving technological world we live in, when whole clash is dramatically showing everyone this power imbalance, these flaws in this system. this is the kind of challenge that can only be met by equally competing powers, billionaire on billionaire or by the force of law. that leaves some pretty big open questions on the table right now tonight so we turn to one of the experts i quoted, strategist jay komenduri and elizabeth watson. we're back in one minute. including nasal congestion, with powerful claritin d, so you can breathe better. feel the clarity and make today the most wonderful time of the year. claritin d. 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(fisher investments) no. we structure our fees so we do better when clients do better. that might be why most of our clients come from other money managers. at fisher investments, we're clearly different. we are back with jay comenduri and elizabeth nuoskin. elon musk wants a free speech utopia as technologists clap back. jay, we quoted you because of your points about this. what is important for people to understand about this story even if they don't consider themselves techies, they don't have a twitter account but they might care a little bit about democracy? >> if you care about democracy you must care about this story. twitter is essential to understanding donald trump's rise, donald trump's power, essential to understanding republican power and how they operate and why twitter has always been so central to that. donald trump desperately needs twitter. it's no coincidence, i would argue, that elon musk is doing this after truth social sort of became the hindenburg of social media apps. the need for donald trump to get back on social media is extremely important. he used twitter on a regular basis to dictate terms to the media as to what they would cover and how they would cover it. it was really essential to his appeal. it's something elon musk knows well. elon musk knows the power of twitter very well. he expands his reach and his power. that is why he is doing this. >> yeah. that all seems to be borne out. elizabeth, to jay's point, trump's forays to build his own platform have gone down like a proverbial led zeppelin, if you will. you covered this closely. how do you as an objective reporter gauge elon musk's repeated claims, with some following, i mean, people buy it, that really he's just here to help and he's going to help again? >> i mean, look, this is a person who we don't exactly know what his relationship with trump is, but we do know that he said after trump was kicked off twitter and facebook and all the other social platforms, he was the lone voice to say they went too far and they're going to regret this decision. since then he's gone out of his way to say he's a free speech absolutist. censorship. yesterday he tweeted a social media platform is only doing a good job if equal numbers of people on the left and right are unhappy with it, which sounds like both sidesism to me. does he want an all inclusive town square? i think you have to read between the lines a little bit with not even that much which is that he says that tech platforms should be bound by the law and you can say anything except for yell fire in a theater. it would progress them to five or six years ago when they had no content rules. they are still being bullied and harassed on the platforms. still full of hate speech. twitter was a lot worse even four or five years ago. there are hundreds of people on twitter who work on taking down content, it's called healthy conversations. they're terrified that elon musk might run the company. >> right. elizabeth, when you look at how much he's doing, i was careful to mention the contributions he's made because he's been very effective at a lot of things but he's very busy, stretched very thin and this is a massive undertaking. do you think this would vastly support the business projects. he claims he's passionate about these issues, also guides the interests. we don't see people doing this. bezos buying "washington post" looks like a tip jar. >> sorry. just to be very clear, i don't mean that pejoratively, i just mean in the scale of it. >> bezos did pay more than what musk would pay for twitter. >> how much did he pay? >> didn't he pay 200 million for the post? >> we're talking about billions here. >> oh, right we're talking about 43 billion. excuse me. >> go ahead. >> it's been a long day. thank you for correcting me. what i'll say though is that for musk, he has said that many times that, you know, he's said this isn't for money and one would even think of this within silicon valley, buying twitter, who's going to buy twitter has long been a parlor game. twitter has been an undervalued asset. it is a cheap jewel. influencers are on it, politicians, it's a fraction of a size as facebook and youtube. google and salesforce has been interested in buying it. you can see in the masters of the universe world conversation buying twitter is a parlor conversation. you have a person who is a master marketer and twitter is a marketing mechanism. wouldn't you want to own it? >> yeah. yeah. no, you make a very fair set of points. 30 seconds, jay. if he prevails, who benefits in american politics? >> republicans benefit in american politics. elon musk is doing this because he wants to give donald trump and the gop a more powerful platform than they currently have. he's doing this not because he's daddy war bucks, he's doing this because he's darth vader and twitter is the death star. >> strong words. i'm going to have to call hyperbole flag. vader was a bad egg. he was murdering people in the black universe. i'm calling the hyperbole flag. jay, a repeat guest on "the beat." elizabeth, your first time. helping us understand tech. i hope you'll come back. thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. appreciate it. coming up, it got worse for this republican center who is accused of pushing the coup and then basically lying about it on the senate floor. we'll explain. we hit the bike trails every weekend shinges doesn't care. i grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. but, no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system declines as you age increasing your risk for getting shingles. so, what can protect you? 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>> so we are transitioning from one battle north of kyiv where the ukrainian military did great to the next battle which is going to be in the east as we've seen. the russians have already started the bombardment. haven't really started the ground attacks yet, but that's in a different terrain, ari, so the weapons that are necessary in the north around kyiv in the forest, small towns, small villages, sometimes urban areas, those are different weapons when you move to the east where you have great plains, where you have large expanses of open terrain. now the ukrainians need artillery like drones. they need the ability to take the fight to the russians and that's what we're in the middle of right now. >> we have been seeing these harrowing sites especially in the places where the siege just continues. here's a mariupol commander who's been sheltering in a steel plant there and issuing really a plea. take a listen. >> you know this country so well. we're hearing from people. you know people that have already, you know, have been forced to flee or worse, or hurt or killed, and what we're hearing from this country that you served in is that in many places they feel they are now being wiped out. ukraine as we know it in those regions is being destroyed and yet it's a grim fact the way wars work that this aspect and what some experts have called allegations of war crimes, ethnic cleansing is less visible than the first few weeks we saw war and clashes. walk us through the real poll particular of that. very sadly although we continue to cover it, as you know, that would seem to go in putin's favor if he can keep this part less known as opposed to the people remember, which is weeks of war coverage in the beginning. >> ari, you're exactly right. this is going to get worse before it gets better. the destruction of ukrainian cities that you've been covering and in particular mariupol but not just mariupol. the other cities like kharkiv, like sumi, chernihiv like you just described. mariupol will go down in history, in whatever the outcome, it will go down in history as a heroic defense and the men and women and civilians and military who stuck out, who stayed there in mariupol and fought the russians for, what, 56 days already, they will be seen as heroes. they are heroes. it will be a hero city. ari, we go back in our history sometimes and we say, remember this event or that event. ukrainians will say, remember mariupol. they will remember mariupol because mariupol is the essence of their fight. it is the essence of their determination to be independent, to be free. this war, ari, you just made the point. this war is -- was unprovoked. this was -- this was a war of russia on ukraine, unprovoked, and we need to keep our focus on it because, ari, they are fighting for us. the ukrainians are fighting our fight. we're not there at their side. we're providing them weapons. we need to provide more so they can continue the fight but they're on the front line of our fight. >> understood. we know your service and how much your care and i think so many people around the world look at this in this slow rolling horror. ambassador taylor, thank you for your perspective. >> thank you, ari. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back who's on it with jardiance? 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