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>> all right. good morning, everybody. welcome to "the cross connection." i'm tiffany cross. you heard some of the black voters who put joe biden in office weighing in on his myers i first year with mixed reviews. biden gave himself high remarks in what turned out to be the longest press conference in presidential history. it was a quite informative one. now, there have been many successes that you don't often hear about in the biden administration. over three-quarters of americans have finally received one jab. that's something and free home tests are now on their way to your mail books, not to mention the pass annual of the american rescue plan. we put more change in your pockets. we appreciate that and a massive infrastructure bill. but we do have to be honest. there have been many challenges, excuse me, ballooning inflation. the social spending bill nope as build back better, it's pretty much stalled indefinitely now and, of course, the big unanswered question, that is, of course, voting rights, will biden be able to corral congress to protect the right to vote for the very people who put him in power? now the pressure to get this done is not letting up with activists marching, hunger strikes and protesting all week. now one congressman was even arrested while protesting on capitol hill. he joins us now, and gong man gallego congressman gallego, passing voting rights is of course the filibuster. a lot of people are looking to you for that. so are you going to run for senate? >> look that determination will come in 2023. i am deeply disappointed in manchin and sinema. they failed and did not step up to do what they had to do to protect the voting rights act. so in the meantime, i will focus on getting re-elected in 2022, getting other great democrats elected in 2022 and make a decision with my family in 2023. >> i am curious as you make that decision. what are some things you are weighing and considering as you ponder your next steps? >> look, the most pont thing is can i be of service to the voters of arizona? and can i be of service to america? i am the son of immigrants. i loved servingpy country in the marine core. everything i do is in service to that so if i feel like i am here to make a difference, then i will be able not only, obviously, protect voting rights, but other working class issues. i am gladly going to do it. right now, just focus on 2022. >> i want to go over to you, first off, happy to see you free and no longer in custody. i appreciate your work on voting rights as well. i want you to listen to an exchange between my colleague and the president during a press conference. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> what do you say to these black voters who say you do not have their backs, as you promised on the campaign trail? >> i've had their back. i've had their back my entire career. i've never not had their back and i started in the voting rights issues long, long ago involved with politics in the first place. >> you know, it's really challenging, congressman, a lot of people may not understand the full function of government. we have a legislative and executive branch. the executive branch has to exert power. a lot of people see this, you know what, i'm not voting this time around. two questions for you, how would you assess the administration's handling of voting rights? two, what is your message to people who feel defeated and deflated and this time around they're not going to vote because they don't feel this party has exercised the power that the voters gave them? >> so i'll start with people who are feeling deflated. i feel your pain. i hear it in my district on a consistent basis. people are frustrated and people feel like government continue to not deliver for them. yes, we should celebrate the american rescue plan. we should celebrate the bipartisan infrastructure frame. but we have failed at connecting with real americans, particularly americans of color on the ground day-to-day to hear their concerns and to listen to their pain. the fact that bbb is still held up is unacceptable, completely unacceptable. we talk often about lack of investments in poor communities of color, in housing, in child care, in jobs. and that continues to be the case. when you look at what is happening with voting rights, it's the same thing. how in the world do we have two democratic senators not stepping up and rising to the challenge to deliver voting security for the american people, it's completely unacceptable. to your point about president biden, how often have we seen president biden have a press conference with civil rights leaders across this country talking specifically to the black community? we have not seen that as of yet. how often have we seen president biden meet with black activists and the black lives matter movements, of the movements. have a press conference, speaking specifically to young people. we haven't seen it yet. it's not only on biden. they saw it in the senate in congress in all of you was. they're showing the people to hold us accountable. call our office. write, e-mail. march, come to washington. occupy spaces in your community. boycott. we need everyone to rise up and people to save our democracy. because that's how urgent it is right now. >> i want to point out vice president harris had those meetings, she had a roundtable of black women. >> she came to the bronx. she came to the bronx as well. so i want to give vp harris a shoutout for that as well, absolutely. >> absolutely. i just want to say for the folks who are concerned about voting, that president biden did appoint a lot in his first year, you remember donald trump appointed over 200 white mail male judges to lifetime appointments who were often legally inept. i believe joe biden appointed over 80% of the judges, 41% people of color. imtake your point, there are challenges and voting rights is a huge challenge. in the build back better, take a listen to joe biden's assessment and plans for build back better. i will stick with you and did you about that on the other side. >> i am confident we can get pieces, big chunks of the build back better law signed into law. i think we can break the package up, get as much as we can now come back at this thing. >> so what the president called chunks i would hope would be a major bill going forward, it may be more limited, but it is still significant. >> congressman bowden, how do you feel about chunks versus one comprehensive bill? >> one big comprehensive bill that would pass the reconciliation process. it's mind-boggling to me, once again. the bipartisan framework passed. it adds $256 billion to the deficit. so it makes it worse. we had build back better paid for at about $2.4/2.5 trillion. it's been so-called back to 1.57 trillion. i do not understand we govern that leaves, children, seniors, women, people of color behind. why aren't we dealing with the climate crisis aggressively, dealing with housing, education. i don't understand why we, people of color, people who have been suffering our entire lives continue to have to wait for things to be scaled back? why is this the case? we have to continue dr. king's legacy. don't just celebrate on his birthday and acknowledge him. his legacy is about a radical redistribution of political and economic power. economic power means proper investments in historically negate communities red line communities. if we can red line communities, we can invest in 2022, get our economy moving, not just for some. >> congressman gallego, i am serious, certainly black voters are instrumental in putting president biden in office. we seen overwhelmingly some voters vote democrat. how do you assess president biden's success with the latino community. what remains a challenge for him? >> because that are the essential workers, much like the black community of the country, covid really hit us hard. we had some of the highest mortality rates and we were the first to get fired and the last to get hired, the first to lose our savings and many of us seen we are close to losing homes and apartments. so the relief act was a huge, huge help when it comes to every day lives of working latinos. in that regard, it's good. the failure in passing the bbb is a big hit. we,ment, you know, lost so much in the 2008 recession and lost even more because of covid that we really need this to jump start our personal family incomes, to be able to restart our businesses, invest in our families, things of that nature. the in fact that you have really two senators that are the biggest problem when it comes to passing this is the biggest hindrances. we need a child tax credit and subsidy. those two things are extremely important. it cuts child poverty 13-to-16%. that's ridiculous two senators are stopping it. thing i object about senator sinema and manchin, the whole time we have been working the past year, mr. bowman knows, this is a part of the caucus. you cannot tell what they actually wanted. if anything, i can tell you what they wanted is the drama of negotiations but without the actual outcome. i think that is something genuinely responsible for someone like senator sinema at one point was a social worker and when, faventh, all she cares about is the political drama of being in the middle of the scrum. so, you know, if this need to happen, it is going to happen. they need to actually be good, you know, even dealers, actually talk publicly about what they want. come to the table. let's get this done. we don't need to stretch this out over two, three weeks, over months. people are hurting right now. these two bringbring ma /* april prima donnas. >> five second, go right ahead. >> the immigrant community also wants protection from i.c.e. and a pathway to citizenship which got struck down multiple times by the parliamentarians. >> struck down three times. thank you for getting that in. congressman gallego if you announce your running, announce it on this show. we will keep up with you over time. coming up at home, young people got something to say. they don't want to wait until the age of 18 to have their voices heard at the polls. we'll talk about that next. stay tuned. we'll talk about tha (vo) verizon is going ultra! and so t next stay tuned event planning with our best business unlimited plan ever! with 5g ultra wideband now in many more cities and up to 10 times the speed at no extra cost, the downloads are flying fast! verizon is going ultra, so your business can too. nothing like a weekend in the woods. it's a good choice all around, like screening for colon cancer... when caught in early stages it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive... and i detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers... even in early stages. early stages. yep. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. we're in. (vo) for me, one of the best things about life is that ask your provider if we keep moving forward.you. we discover exciting new technologies. redefine who we are and how we want to lead our lives. basically, choose what we want our future to look like. so what's yours going to be? we the people are for the people and for the people, yeah. we the people are for the people will you have our backs? >> the most important thing today is our youth are taking charge. >> what do you want? voting rights. >> when do we want it? >> now. >> people from all walks of life are coming together. we have one important message to elected officials. it's time to wake up. >> it's time. no more excuses. >> all the young people on the front lines of these issues. when we talk about issues that affect young people, it's important to remember more than half of the population are millennial's, gen zs or younger. they leave them to fight the fight won 50 years ago, that is lowering the voting age. if they can be 15 and an essential worker in a pandemic, shouldn't they be able to cast a ballot for the leaders that protect them? a co-host of the intergeneral podcast and a youth organizer and current board member at power california. tyler, because you have been an activist on this issue, i'm start with you, why should the united states lower the national voting age from 18 to 16? >> first, thank you so much, tiffany, for having me on. and that's a great question. thank you so much for the privilege of starting this off. i'll start by saying, number one, we're deeply affected by the political decisions made now. we're a part of a broader conversation about the john lewis bill and the progress of that bill and the truth is that that bill actually affects young people in pretty dynamic ways. when the pandemic hits, one in two young people, according to a poll of young people between the ages of 18 and 29 in california, one in two young people had their hours pay cut. one in three lost their jobs altogether. 46% experienced difficulties and being able to buy food and household supplies. so we're deeply affected by the policies made now. the argument could be made that other generations have been affected by public policies and should not have the right to vote before their turn. we're also not like other generations. we are dynamic, politically engaged and digitally connected with what's going on around the world and have more information from generations. and the last point i'll make is that 18 simply doesn't work. it's a hugely transitional time for young people gentleman off to college, leaving our permanent residents with our parents, trying out new jobs, moving to different parts of the country. so it's very transitional and doesn't allow us to be able to build the practice and the culture of voting we get when we are able vote in our first two consecutive elections. as 16-year-olds, which has proven to create life-long habitual voters and being politically engaged. >> you are right, the way you explained all that. by doing this, the united states will actually expand the voting electorate by 3%, which could be quite significant to beat back the voter suppression we are seeing all over country. i was reading about this issue. first of all i support it. i think it's definitely, we need to give younger people a voice. young people are on the front lines of a lot of these issues. my question is, how exactly do we do this? so my friend congresswoman grace maine out of new york issued a bill on this very issue. she has been out front and spoken about this. so we asked her, how exactly would this work? i. you to take a listen and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> to ensure that those whose futures are most impacted and who will be responsibility for resolving these issues for years to come are empowered to act and have a voice today. 16 and 17-year-olds are also legally permitted to work and drive and pay federal income taxes. voting is a serious responsibility. i believe our young people are ma cure enough at these ages to responsibly cast a ballot. >> so victor, she lace it out there, a really compelling argument. it can happen. some of this will happen at the state level and also at the federal level. imam curious for you as again a gen zer, what are the issues you would take into the ballot box? >> so i think young people right now have a course and value and are guided by an unwavering resilience, that we care who represents us. the vote is hard. i think for instance about a poll that showed over 65% of young people can't imagine registering as a republican in the next ten years, young people associate the public party with being a threat to the future and young people. another poll, 35% of young people identify with the democratic party and believe democrats, too, have much work to do in referencing our interests. so on the most bake basic level, the first time we bear many of our society's most systemic issues and a racial reckoning, we want to see a reckoning, that entails everything from enacting policies that protect our planet from worsening natural disasters to make sure we achieve racial justice and equality. my generation has been on the front line for those issues. we seen the impact it's had on our generation. we want to see action. i think simply put. gen z is hungry and we're committed to make sure that happens through bold, transformative solutionles. we aren't afraid to keep doing so. >> you know, i echo that so much. that's such a good point you do see young people on front lines, especially with crt, critical race theory, the latest boogeyman of the right. young people have been the ones to come out and speak at these school board meetings. that's a good point. tyler, i want you to listen to senator tammy duckworth from your neck of the woods. she called out her colleagues this week and made such a phenomenal point. take a listen and we'll talk about it. >> i can't understand how my republican colleagues can sit here today and ask paid staffers and pages to bring them water at exactly the temperature they like with or without ice sparkleing or not sparkling as they make their voices heard on the senate floor and then say nothing, nothing to stop a law that makes it illegal to give water to americans waiting hours in line at polling stations as they seek to simply have their voices heard at the ballot box. >> the hypocrisy, tyler, so, i'm curious from you, though, because i think both of you guys have articulated such smart, thoughtful reasons to lower the voting age. i think sometimes people who are a bit older think, oh, let's go out and get a celebrity to talk about these issues. i am curious from you, do celebrity endorsements impact these ideas? what are you looking for when it comes to spec engagement? do celebrities matter? >> i mean they obviously, you know, add sparkle and shine to the political process, which can make it a lot more exciting for young people. we're more interested from hearing from experts, policy makers, how they will tackle many of the issues we care about, for example, police violence, making sure college is affordable, making sure that young people can leave college and have well, good-paying jobs they can support their families on, create a future on. we want to hear policies how we are tackling climate change and other big issues our generation feels about. i think it would be nice if celebrities can help this movement for political change in the united states. but we wouldn't meet that with policy spivlts and policy makers leading the fight and articulating the vision on that point. >> absolutely. you guys have articulated a lot better than some elected officials have. so thank you for weighing in on this issue. i will have to have you both back. i think we need to hear from young people how they are receiving some of this policy. so don't make a lot of plans for your saturday morning. your saturday nights are yours. your saturday mornings are mine, thank you, i appreciate you guys both being here. coming up, today is the 49th anniversary of roe v. wade, will it still be around? 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what will this look like a year from today? >> i am gravely concerned. the center for reproductive rights is the lead council in the mississippi state asking to overturn roe versus wade and the texas case, which the supreme court you mentioned failed four times to step in and stop what has been a disaster in the state of texas for pregnant people. they have been unable to get an abortion past six week for almost five months. it is a constitutional right. texas is defying the supreme court's precedent. the supreme court is letting it happen. justice sotomayor's words in defense of thursday were really stunning. i mean, she said that case is a disaster for the rule of law. because the supreme court is not protecting right so we are gravely concerned. >> yeah, you know, well, justice sotomayor often brings her lived experience and knowledge and wisdom to the bench. so thank goodness for her. but one in four women have abortions. certainly all people are not democrats. certainly, all these women are not godless as some have you believe. it is intersectioning the lives of low income and black women. mississippi for example has one clinic in the entire state. so for those who might not have the means to access out of state care, what could this look like for them if this, their right to choose goes away? >> well, unfortunately, we're getting a preview of what that will look like in the state of texas right now. so again you can't get an abortion right now because of this chilling village lantana law after six weeks and so, people in texas seeking abortion care and most people do not know they're pregnant until after six weeks. they have had to leave the state if they can, so traveling hundreds of miles to oklahoma, louisiana, colorado, or for people who don't have the means, they're having to go forward with their pregnancies and so, it is a deprivation we are already seeing. as we pointed out, it falls hardest on communities of color falls hardest on people living in rural areas. people struggling to make wednesday meet. it doesn't fall evenly. i do think it's also important what you said. one in four women made this decision in their lifetime. they live in every state. they live in every congressional district. they are in every religious denomination. they are from all walks of life and so this will be an impact across the nation. >> yeah, you know, i'm very concerned about the outside influence of a right wing extremist who has a lot of influence on this court. that is, of course, ginni thomas, the wife of justice clarence thomas. some of her tweets, things she said, you are literally concerned about her mental health. she cheered them on at the capitol in a few tweets. she is influencing this argument in a very scary way so if the courts aren't protecting us, congress have you the women's health protection act pass in the house. it of course falls in the senate. who ut this protection at least two dozen states are certain or likely to ban abortions without roe. where does that lead providers? >> well, you know, it leaves everyone in a tough situation. the words of justice sotomayor that really are going to live with me for a long time is when she said, i will not stand silently by while this happens. and i think the majority of people in the united states support access to abortion and no one who is in that strong majority can stand silently by. call your seniors, whether they are supporting the women's health protection act f. 48 senators are on record supporting the act already. whether they support it or oppose it, you need to have your voices heard and say, thank you, if they're supporters around say you feed to get on board if they're not. make sure you are supporting abortion funds, make sure you are using your advocacy in every way you can. be talking to your families, your community. be talking to those. everyone has a sphere of influence. if you have a personal story, talk about it. let's take up the gauntlet justice sotomayor today by while these rights are rolled back. >> i think it's important to rule out you will never stop abortions from happening. it is safe abortions for women. you can not force a woman to carry a child to term. i wonder if there was a law that banned a uphill blue pill for people who don't want to have kids or made it mappedory or crustaceans mandatory for women that don't want to have kids. i imagine that law would never pass own body of legislation so the hypocrisy. thank you for your work being on the front line. you definitely have to join us again on "cross connection" soon. coming up, despite ongoing covid cases, a the show must go on. a sneak peek at the super bowl halftime show.l we will talk about that right after the break. see you soon. talk about that right after the break. se we will talk about that right after the break. see you soon. e you soon we will after the break. see you soon. about that right after the break. see you soon we will talk about after the break. see you soon inner voice (kombucha brewer): i'm dramatically holding this bottle, so the light hits it just right, and people think... wow... ...he knows what he's doing... ...when i'm actually pretty lost with my payroll taxes. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes. cheers. 100% accurate payroll tax calculations guaranteed. once upon a time, at the magical everly estate, landscaper larry and his trusty crew... were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. [ music playing ] [ music playing ♪♪ . >> all right. there you see the nfl clearly trying to drum up excitement for the 56th super bowl next month drop ac trail for the halftime show, mary j. blige, snoop, kendrick lamar playing for a fully packed stadium of 70,000 people in los angeles with the league and the city insisting they can keep everyone safe despite the ongoing omicron surge. joining me now is pan my jones in the espn podcast the right time. i'm so happy you are here. i don't want to be debbie downer here. but does this halftime show performance conveniently overshadow all of the issues of the nfl and their treatment of black players. this is how they got jay-z to partner with them in the first place. >> they can do that if they want to. i have been advocating for a decade. the dangers we try to say dr. dre and snoop dog they officially became americana, one of the few things that cuts across everything. so i am fascinating somebody who was young when this was going on. we got into a point where they headlined the super bowl. there will always be something about the nfl that skewer what we don't like about the nfl. i don't think this is one of these things they're saying, they're doing better by black people in they're putting on that white people also really like. that's the part people need to lock into. it ain't for us, this is for them. >> that's a good point. i won't lie. i will watch the halftime show the trailer has me heaped to see a. lot of my viewers don't know this, but you were quite the music critic. you studied. i'm curious to hear your shots how you like that performance. talk about this nick saban signed onto the letter against joe manchin on voting rights, he was not against the filibuster. he was for the carveout. a lot of people ask me about players going to play in states where voter suppression happen. we talked about this on the show college players going to these states and use their power and fought do that. when nick saban jumped out there i thought maybe the pressure should be on the coaches. curious your thoughts on it? >> saban is from west virginia, a friendship with joe manchin. i find it unusual he would put his name on something and do this, what is fascinating, is it controversial, therefore, we don't talk about what this is? this is a pretty powerful man using thinksr his name with jerry west and paul tagliabue, the get it in the newspaper, hey, joe manchin, you might want to look out for voting rights. the only way we talk about this on a macrolevel is when somebody get mad. only somebody got mad and it was a congressman and he got dumped on. nobody talked about voting rights part of it. on the other hand, it is worth noting nick saban is not leaning on the senators in his home state. because he thinks that is probably a lost cause. >> i did not realize that. that's a really good point. i wonder why? it's a lost cause? >> that didn't go anywhere. like as the state of west virginia, he might be able to make something happen there. former auburn head coach tommy tuberville will not do this because nick saban said so. >> i wonder if everybody, like a hornet's nest started putting pressure. what impact that will have. we'll see. i want to ask you about naomi osaka. she made her return down under in australia. she, of course, lost. but i really found her return encourageing. she was one of the voices to put mental health in the forefront when it comes to sports. you and i have had conversations before. do you think sports will try to prioritize the mental health of their players. i'm sad to see the behavior of an antonio brown a few weeks ago. how might that impact sports in general? >> i think tha there are probably more resources and support from teams and colleges in this place than there have been probably definitely 15 years ago, i'd probably say even more about five years ago. now, the issue, of course, comes up when this interferes with like real life money or protocol or big levels of how things are done. but i think sports for all these cynical reasons come to realize they have to come to this to get their money's worth out of people they v. osaka, people like independent contractors, so it's not some team to love her. there is a body to ultimately profit off her. what i want to see is how this goes when it comes to the french open. what brought us here is not before a hard court tournament where she is the best player in the world. what happened on a clay tournament, she is not nearly as good and is inclined to have more self doubt and said so herself. i hope that is something she can deal with like she did with the australian open. >> she stopped speaking outside the mandatory press conferences, the parents stopped speaking. she said she will have fun when she goes on that court. i hope she did. we have to go, we're out of time. i wanted no confess, i watched you on bob costas, a friend of howard bryant i did not get some of the jokes. everybody was laughing. i have to get better with these courts. i don't get the inside conversations. you have to help me with that. i am very much looking forward to game theory within it comes out on hbo. good luck. thanks for being here. coming up, mitch mcconnell straight up said black americans are fought fully americans. i got the play after this break. stay tuned. we'll be right back. deon, hand it over. now how does that make you feel? 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[copy machine printing] ♪ ♪ who would've thought printing... could lead to growing trees. ♪ ♪ ♪ could lead to growi♪ ♪trees. continue to destroy democracy and keep the ballot box white, the self-proclaimed grim reaper, mitch mcconnell was asked what his message was to voters of color who were concerned that they wouldn't be able to vote during this year's midterms, and he said this. >> well, the concern is misplaced because if you look at the statistics, african american voters are voting in just as high a percentage as americans. >> you heard that right, so black folks are not americans? his response immediately prompted the question is black twitter going to have to smack a mitch? and indeed they did, rightfully so. let's blow a whistle with a little history lesson. black people are not only american, we are the architects of this country and far too frequently the defenders of its democracy. for example, black people make up just over 13% of the u.s. population, but 17% of the u.s. military. you see, we served in disproportionate levels compared to who this mitch calls americans and how do you think this country became a super power, the wealth black folks generated for this country yet we still have never reaped the benefits, the bruised and bloodied bodies of the enslaved serves as america's largest financial asset. the profits from the cotton my ancestors were forced to pick under the brutality of enslavement turned america into one of the world's top economies, and the south into its richest region. but what am i saying? mitch knows this. two of his great, great grandfathers were enslavers themselves, so kind of odd that the beneficiary of the very wealth our bodies created is adamantly against any type of reparations. perhaps that's one of the many reasons he and his brittle spirited ignorant ilk don't want the real american history taught. then those calls that mitch better have my money might grow a little louder, and really, who is moscow mitch to question the patriotism of anyone? this man boy who would rather bow down to a pawn of putin than to see it run by anyone who looks like me e. but mitch don't kill my vibe because here i sit, a bigger patriot than those who would deny me. no matter how they try to make me feel, this is my home, and when a 79-year-old an ak nichl is the voice for people they need to discover is theirs exclusively, i'll echo the chorus of my feel and say, mitch please. coming up, i'll discuss the latest trending topics with my rock star panel, and we'll meet the senate candidate who lit up the internet with his new campaign ad, and emmy winning talk show host tamron hall joins me. i'm so excited. she's going to talk about the legacy of fashion icon andre leon talley. you don't want to miss all of that coming up on the next hour of "the cross connection." much more after the break. 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>> absolutely. first of all, it's great to be with all of you, it's great to see you, tiffany. one of the things that we're really not talking about it and i think you started to touch on it for a quick second is the role black women play in democracy. you can't think about georgia without thinking about latosha and without thinking about stacey and the one prosecutor that's going after that family is a black woman in georgia. when you look at who's going after that family in new york, it's a black woman, right? so there's a bigger story that i think is brewing, and that is that black women have consistently fought for our democracy on every single level, whether it was in the streets, whether it was in the halls of capitols, whether they're state capitals or the u.s. capital or as it relates to being able to prosecute. and i think that black women will continue to fight for our democracy, and that's exactly what i plan to do. i don't plan to give up. i know that i wouldn't be here but for those that fought before me, so i'm going to continue this fight. we can't let up. if we say we've been defeated, then they have won. this is a war. this isn't a battle, and we absolutely will win this war. >> it is a war, it is indeed a war, and i have to say, they have won some battles, jasmine, but we have to keep our eye on the war and everybody needs to pick up a weapon and get involved because this is for the safety and lasting of the country. katie, this inquiry from atlanta d.a. fanny ellis is the only criminal case, the only one that focused directly on trump's efforts to overturn the election. break it down, what does all this mean? i know that she has subpoenaed a special grand jury, and i think that's different from a regular grand jury where they are laser focused on this. as an officer of the court, you have a better handle on all of this, tell our viewers what this means. >> so fani willis who is the fulton county district attorney and a footnote to what was just said eloquently, she is the first black woman to hold that position in fulton county. she has asked the chief judge of that jurisdiction to be able to create and convene a special grand jury -- now, let's be clear, the special grand jury does not have the power to actually issue or render an indictment. however, it can make criminal recommendations for prosecution, but more importantly, it can issue a grand jury subpoena that would compel people like brad ratensberger to be able to talk about the phone call, the witness intimidation, the obstruction of justice, that is being investigated currently by fani willis. in the absence of those subpoenas, we have seen that the path of least resistance which is to request the appearance of these witnesses it's falling on deaf ears. we're seeing it happen on the january 6th committee. we're now seeing it happen in fulton county. there are tools being created in the legislature, subpoenas from grand juries or special grand juries and that is exactly what is being sought by the d.a. currently in fulton county. >> we'll keep our eye on it. i think people are just eager to see some accountability. we've seen some of these rank and file insurrectionists get held accountable, when it comes to the mark meadows, ivankas, don jr., peter navarro admitted to a coup with my colleague ari melber in a very compelling interview this week and a couple of weeks ago. let's focus on ivanka, her father's been hiding out in mar-a-lago. what is it going to take to see some accountability here? >> i think that name letitia james and the attorney general of new york, remember that name. it might be premature. i think she will be the heroine who finally holds the trump family accountable and gets us to reckoning and accountability that we've been looking for for five years and maybe more. beginning with the tampering with our elections in 2016 with the russians and now the big lie, and trying to overturn our democracy with a failed coup, which is what always precedes a successful coup. so i hope she does the job. she's undaunted. she's going to go after the family and hopefully get us that retribution and reckoning. but to your other questioning of what are we going to do to fortify our democracy to dismiss the will of the people in the next election in 2024, my call to action to everybody listening is to do what some of us on this panel are doing, right? young people running for office, not just national office, but for local office. run for something is this great organization that's getting young people to get out there and vote and be part of these local boards and commissions that are making sure that we certify elections properly, that we have proper election overseers to make sure that nationally and locally that the 16 governors who already have introduced lex and signed laws that will make it harder to vote this yea harder than it was in 2020, as a direct attempt to undermine the next election. we have to be vigilant. we have to keep working. we have to be on the front lines and let the select committee continue to do its work. they have interviewed 300 witnesses. they have 35,000 pages of documentation. let them do their work. i'm confident they'll be able to give us results as well. >> we hope, we hope. especially in a midterm year. you know this very well. you've run for congress twice. that's how we first met your first campaign trail. i echo your sentiment that young people can get involved at any level. work on a campaign, run for office. all of those things make a difference. we have to talk about freddy versus jason, and that is of course desantis v. trump in 2024. it is very frightening to see how obnoxious these two men compete with each other, and desantis is going out of his way to appeal, no, i'm the bigger racist, i'm the most inept, this bill would prohibit florida's public schools and private business from making white people feel discomfort or guilt. now, the white is silent, he says making anyone feel discomfort or guilt for their race, sex, national origin, and it received its first approval tuesday in the state senate education committee, white feelings seem to always trump actual history and facts. desantis knows that's a thing with his party and he's leaning into it. i'm concerned that people who lack intellectual curiosity, but make up for it in supporters of systemic racism and white supremacy, will look at him as their new champion. what are you going to do in florida, katie, to save us all from this special situation that could erupt? >> man, it has become a battle of egos between desantis and trump, and as a floridian, it is truly being created into a dystopian hell scape. desantis was not contented with trying to kill all of us down here with his covid policies, but now we have shifted to the idea that we have to go to the real battlegrounds which are the lines of our young ones. as the mother of a 7-year-old who goes to a public school who is in first grade, you know, and as somebody who is clearly opinionated about what is right and what is wrong, it's a very scary place to be. it is the idea of punishment for the expression of history, for the recitation of facts and reality, and as somebody who's a lawyer, you know, we rely upon evidence, and the evidence is based upon facts and science, and medicine, all the things that are objective. so what the pursuit is by desantis and these bills such as the one you just talked about is the idea that reality doesn't exist, and it's the one that's the construct of the systemic racist, the idea that we can erase and not talk about things that are going to make you uncomfortable because you know that it forces you to acknowledge a history that suppressed people simply because of how they looked. and so elections matter. we've heard it from everybody on the panel including you. elections matter, and so it's the idea of getting people your one vote counts. i think there's a complacency. there's an exhaustion, there's this idea that are we doing enough, and i think the answer is we are and we have to do more because every vote is going to count to get people like desantis out of office. >> yeah, you're right. they're both competing like all eyes on me, no all eye on me, which brings us to our next subject, a lot more pleasant for me. all eyes are on wake me when i'm free, and that's l.a.'s new immersive museum showing some california love to the life, music, and legacy of the late rapper tupac shakur. this is such an amazing exhibit. take a listen. >> to all people, black, white, women, men, i do it for everybody, but i'm a young black male, so i have more experience on the injustices and problems happening. i always go for the underdog. i believe in the underdog. anybody no matter who it is, if you are getting beat down, fight back. that's how -- that's what i believe, and i'm telling people through my music because that's what i believe. >> jasmine, to say that i love tupac would be an understatement. i was obsessed with him. i read far be it from me to use the term fake news but when i read that juice came out 30 years ago this week, i wanted to say fake news. that was in high school when i saw that. in the theaters i saw it in the theaters. it's been 30 years since it came out. this man was brilliant, a radical, he was revolutionary, so talented. i'm just curious your thoughts about his legacy as this exhibit opens in l.a. >> you know, as an '80s baby, i loved me some tupac, and it was really frustrating and kind of growing up and dealing with and trying to really understand this kind of east coast, west coast fight, and, you know, even though tupac had been shot before, i kind of was like he's super man, right? there's no way that tupac can leave this earth because he was so prophetic, and he was only, what, 25 years of age before he actually passed away, and so for me, you know, i feel like i'm old a lot of times. that was good music, that was the real music, right? i can't think about tupac without thinking about biggie, right, so just the things that he said and looking at where we are today and knowing that so much really hasn't changed. i mean, he was giving us insight into what life looked like as a black man back in cali back in the day. but sadly enough, that same story can be said for so many black men and black people in general. you kicked off this segment talking about mitch mcconnell and talking about the fact that he seemingly doesn't see us as full americans, right? so the fact that this struggle continues and the fact that he rapped about this and communicated in such a way that everyone could relate to, you know, i was in elementary at the time that tupac was doing this thing, but i understood to the best of my ability as an elementary kid and those who were in high school and college as well. i love him, i miss him, and i actually would love to visit this exhibit. >> yeah, absolutely. we are way over time, i'm sorry, katie and ammar. i know this is in your neck of the woods, if you want to have five seconds to shoutout to tupac, go ahead, we've got to rap. >> from california, his lyrics, his life, his tragic death all of it will be remembered and it's awesome that the next generation can go through the museum and see him in a modernized new way in this timeless message, which we need to hear more than ever. >> tiffany. >> yes, go ahead. >> think about where dre has ended up, snoop, all of them were death row. i still listen to hit em up. think about where he would have been 25 years later. that's my two cents forguys. >> hit em up is the hardest disk track that has ever come out, not including ether, the first lines of that song made it very clear his feelings. we need a four-hour show, we could have done a whole lot more on this tupac segment. thank you for joining. good luck on your campaign, we were talking about tupac, he starred in poetic justice with regina king, and our thoughts and prayers are with the actress and director regina king who lost her son this week. ian alexander was just 26 years old. this news broke late last night, and we wanted to send our deepest condolences to the entire family. s to the s to the entire family. with cll or chronic lymphocytic leukemia. imbruvica is not chemotherapy- it's the #1 prescribed oral therapy for cll, proven to help people live longer. imbruvica can cause serious side effects, which may lead to death. bleeding problems are common and may increase with blood thinners. serious infections with symptoms like fevers, chills, weakness or confusion and severe decrease in blood counts can happen. heart rhythm problems and heart failure may occur especially in people with increased risk of heart disease, infection, or past heart rhythm problems. new or worsening high blood pressure, new cancers, and tumor lysis that can result in kidney failure, irregular heartbeat, and seizure can occur. diarrhea commonly occurs. drink plenty of fluids. tell your doctor if you experience signs of bleeding, infection, heart problems, persistent diarrhea or any other side effects. 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>> so there's a lot of room for the president to move. there can be an establishment of a national officer misconduct registry. there can be standards for data collection that are recommended. it's very difficult for the president to come out and say we're not going to give money if you do this. we're only going to give money if you do that, which is the major lever the federal government has, but my hope is that the president, the white house in general is listening to local activists and organizers who have very clear demands on what they can see locally. my hope is there's going to be something in there on replacing officers with mental health responders, substance abuse responders, homelessness resources. my hope is also everybody else will get the message at the end of this. there's nothing the federal government is going to be able to do are from the white house alone that's going to fix the mess we're in. it's not like going to a restaurant and placing your order and having the kitchen just bring you what you want. it's a group project, and we've all got to show up. there's only so much the biden white house can do without congress, and there's son-in-law so much the federal government can do without state and local action. >> absolutely. i think that's such a good point that you make. this is a group project. police unions, as you know very well, have an outsized influence. that happens at the local level. some of these sheriffs are elected. some of these judges are elected. i think you make such a good point. something that you've studied that i find incredibly interesting and noteworthy of talking about today. you know, body cams were supposed to solve the problems, training was supposed to solve the problems, but at the end of the day, the body cam just gave us a better view of black and brown people being beaten or murdered. you talk about how people tend to associate criminality with blackness. i think that has to be a part of this conversation when we reimagine public safety. talk a bit if you will about that. >> yeah, it absolutely does because if we're thinking we're going to solve the problems we see with the tragic headlines involving racism and policing by just going to the police department, boy are we kidding ourselves, right? because we remember how many times we've had these exact conversations. aye been on air with you after somebody thought that, you know what? i don't like having black people in my space. let me call the police. now, you don't have a police department if you say, you know what, that sounds kind of racist, we're not coming. so we have to deal with the folks that are using police as their personal racism conconcie. it's the psychological association, but it's also the way we've set up institutions so that there's no black person who can say, you know my job feels super racist, let me call someone and make sure that that gets better. we don't have the inverse for the folks who are actually vulnerable to have a person they can call and they show up and then their own biases, prejudices or vulnerability gets solved. it's both at the individual levels and the systems we set up to service certain vinyl individuals where we've got to be thinking about reimagining. >> there are not enough operators in the world to take those calls i assure you. if you ever find that number, give it to me, a lot of folks could use it. i want to talk about jay-z a bit, jay-z and rock nation alongside the midwest innocence project has been laser focused on the kansas city police department, the atrocious behavior that's come out of that department with the police, recent allegations of police misconduct with that department include a police detective who was facing a federal investigation for allegedly exploiting black women for sex and framing black residents for crimes they never committed. what impact does it have when celebrities push these issues? i think it definitely helps in bringing attention. in real structural change, you know, i wonder, i think jay-z has the money and influence behind him, and i'm happy he's partnering with the midwest innocence project. is that enough to change this? and definitely a shoutout to him for doing it. >> for sure if we're waiting for celebrities to save us, we'll be waiting longer than we'd be waiting for government to save us. neither of those are real options. i think it's important to note what rock nation did in this case. they reached out, they forged a partnership with local organizers who had been on the ground engaged in this for over 30 years. they conducted their own set of investigations with money jay-z has amassed and then they said, hey, this investigation is the first step, doj should do this. they took out a full page ad. they've been going full court press on all kinds of media. that will help the folks in kansas city, kansas, but i think the real question is how many cities can jay-z go to where he's not on tour? how many celebrities can push on this, and what are the resources of doj? so doj did 21 investigations under obama, so how many -- and like none under trump, i think it was like two under trump. there's only so many departments you can investigate. if what we really are is thirsty for a kind of change that is commensurate to the moment that we saw ourselves in two years ago and hasn't changed nearly enough since, we can't just be looking to celebrities, government investigations, we've got to participate in the group project, and i'll say this, there are lots of stories that aren't ready for prime time because it's messy and the demands are really in the weeds, but there's lots of communities that are actually doing that work. so i don't want folks to come away thinking that the federal government can't do it, jay-z can't do it, even beyonce might not be able to do it so nothing can get done. folks are doing this work. it's just harder to tell the stories. get involved locally, the you want a good grade on your final score. >> when we showed the letter jay-z penned to -- beyonce can do anything, and i stand by it. fight me. >> fair. fair. >> thank you so much. >> you'll have to come back on the show very soon, thank you, my friend, dr. phillip atiba goff. goff - your mom's got to go! - she's family. she's using my old spice moisturize with shea butter and she's wearing my robe. mom: ahem ahem ahem we're out. we're here today to set the record straight about dupuytren's contracture. surgery is not your only treatment option. people may think their contracture has to be severe to be treated, but it doesn't. visit findahandspecialist.com today to get started. just like social security, it provides a regular check to every american so they can buy the things they need, like housing, food, and other essentials. in recent years, guaranteed income has gained traction as a policy antidote to poverty and rising wealth and income inequality, but the idea isn't new. >> so what could you do with an extra $850 per month? well, that's how much 650 black women all across georgia will get for the next two years as part of one of the nation's largest guaranteed income experiments. the goal is to help tackle the racial wealth gap, and it's just one of many similar programs across the country as the idea of a so-called universal basic income gains momentum. joining me now codirector of georgia's in her hands guaranteed income initiative and my friend, michael tubbs who ran a very successful experiment as the former mayor of stockton, california, and he's the author of the book "the deeper the roots." very happy to have you both. hope, i'll start with you. how are women selected to be a part of the in her hands program? >> terrific, yes, thank you so much for having me. women eligible women in georgia can apply for the program starting as early as march of this year, and so we'll be focused on three areas across the state, the old fourth ward neighborhood, it's an area with extreme inequality. it's also the birthplace of dr. martin luther king and where he and coretta are buried today. it also will be focused in southwest georgia where one of the only programs in the country to have a focus on rural areas. economic insecurity not just an urban issue. it's pervasive across our country, and then we'll have also a site in the atlanta suburbs. so women in need, about 200 % of the federal poverty line can apply for the program as it launches in their eligible areas. >> that's a really, you know, it's my neck of the woods, so it's a really interesting program. i'll be very interested in seeing how that plays out, and michael tubbs, you know all about it. you tried a guaranteed income program in stockton, california, during your tenure as mayor. what was the impact that it had on your city? >> the it's similar to what we saw with the stimulus checks and the child tax credits, mainly that people know how to spend money. we're talking about giving people a floor and the ability to pay for child care so they can go to work, the ability to get their car fixed, the ability to take care of their kids and family. over 60 plus programs going on nationwide, we see community leaders and mayors standing up, even if joe manchin or the federal government doesn't get it, we have to have an income floor and we can actually get rid of poverty in our country. >> i think something that people don't realize is it's very expensive to be poorment i certainly did not live in wealthy neighborhoods. those corner markets they have the same prices as whole food but not the quality. when people are impoverished it eventually becomes all of our problem. eventually we do have to collectively, you know, address these issues and it impacts the taxes that we pay, our neighborhoods, our schools, et cetera. something interesting for you, michael, a study found that actually employment rose during the time that you were giving people a universal basic income. their financial and physical and emotional health improved, and one of our producers noted that even the people who weren't receiving these funds, their employment chances rose. so it was really by osmosis that it uplifted a community, which is really interesting. many of these programs, hope are down through public/private partnerships. i know your program is running alongside their own experiment that they're doing. i'm curious how can you scale this? some people get caught up in we're just giving people money for nothing. so that's an issue, and then if somebody's making six figures, when you say universal people will think why are we giving wealthy people money who don't need it. explain that. >> yeah, absolutely. these are great questions. when we said guaranteed income versus maybe ubi, a guaranteed income might be a focus on conditional -- to members of a particular community, so you know, i think there's much that we learned about guaranteed income from the sort of experiments that have happened across the country, and yet, there are still things we are seeking to learn. increasingly i think among them are how does this work in rural areas, how does this work for some of the people experiencing the most acute impacts of economic insecurity in our economy, structural and systemic factors like black women, and so we're excited that our program in the scale of this program is going to build on the incredible work mayor tubbs has led in stockton, and many others across the country to think about what does a guaranteed income program look like at scale and focus on those really most in need and how we center black women who are experiencing because of, again, systemic factors some of the most acute impacts of economic insecurity, although it's pervasive across the country, how we really center those. programs in cities, you know, a couple dozen pilots across the country is not going to be sufficient for long-term systemic change, and so we're excited that there will be learnings out of this program that could influence policy. >> absolutely. >> as well as improving outcomes. >> alaska's universal basic income, it has really impacted their state in a positive way. they give each resident a check every year, and it's cut poverty. since 1982, alaska has been giving every woman, man, and child a chunk of its nest egg, and that's $66.3 billion. so this can work. and i hope that both of these programs are successful. it's so great to see you, michael tubbs, i haven't seen you in a while. happy to have you on the show. you both will have to come back. coming up next, the goat is here, tamron hall is here. she's going to be sharing some special memories of fashion icon andre leon talley. a fashion icon herself. can't wait to see her. stay tuned. herself can't wait to see her. easily run payroll in less than 5 minutes... ...so you can stay... one step ahead. ♪ limu emu and doug.♪ and it's easy to customize your insurance at libertymutual.com so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? 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[a vulture squawks.] there he is. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty♪ andre is at once a legend in mainstream culture, and he is also a tall, big, black man in america. we see how great it is, how great is it to be andre leon talley. >> it's great excitement, great beauty. great wonderment, sex. >> but he knows what it has taken. >> the former vogue creative director and fashion icon, andre leon talley was so many things. the 2018 documentary "the gospel according to andre" gave us a snippet of how this young southern boy from the jim crow south became known as a force in the fashion industry despite all odds, which is why the passing of this 73-year-old creative genius broke our hearts on tuesday. joining me now is the emmy award and naacp award winning fashion icon herself tamron hall. she's the host of the tamron hall show on abc and a long-time friend of andre leon talley. thank you so so much for being here after losing who was such a close friend to you, and he's just such an amazing and a giant, and i love the post that you put with him and your son, baby moses is so adorable. because of your fashion goals, i'm curious what impact andre had on the industry as it relates to black women and certainly as it relates to your beautiful ensembles that we've come to know you for. >> thank you, tiffany, and obviously no one wants to talk about the loss of a friend, certainly on television, even though i am on tv and you're on tv every day, but when you called, i know that what you represent and what i hope i represent is the essence of andre leon talley, and what i mean by that, he knew that the presentation mattered. of course what we say, our intention, our words, and how brilliant that i hope that people think that we are and what we do, at the end of the day, he also recognized that our image matters. our image matters to young black girls, young girls of color around this country who will look at you and look at me and say i can do that, and andre was a part of that, even getting dressed this morning, do i wear something black? wait, why do i even care, and i said to myself after i said to my husband, but entree would -- andre would care. what he saw, our pride when black women go to church and they wear uniforms throughout the week. his grandmother was a maid at duke university, but she would go to church on sunday so beautifully groomed and dressed as it represented who she was. >> you make such a good point, tamron. you know as women in the public eye people see us before they hear us, and you do his legacy proud this morning, but you've always been so wonderful that way. you guys went to church together a few times. you talk about his faith a little bit, and i think that's something people don't know about him. he was an hbcu grad, he went to brown university, and his faith was a huge part of his life. what's something in your conversations with him and your experience with him as it related to his faith that might surprise those of us who didn't really know him personally? >> again, you always ask the best questions. i love that you brought that up. i talked to reverend calvin at andre's church home where he invited me and my son. his faith was everything to him. i was very deliberate, tiffany in the picture that i put of andre with my son who i cherish, obviously, and i don't like to just put every image of him out, but this meant something because we see so many images of andre, this grand individual and these big garbs and flowing through the red carpets of celebrities, but the man at the church holding that baby with the church program, that's andre, and that's the friend that i mourn and i grieve. i love the beautiful images of course of him with celebrities and on vogue and all of that, but at the end of the day, the first thing that i thought about was that day where he pushed moses in to church in his stroller so proudly and waited so eagerly, not for me. he waited eagerly for moses to arrive so that they could sit on that church pew much like andre did with his grandmother in north carolina and much like so many other young, aspiring black designers have as a part of their legacy sitting in that church with a loved one, a woman, a black woman who's pouring everything ounce of love into you, and that's what he represents, and that's why he wanted moses there with him. >> i think that's so beautiful, and your son is so adorable, ask i just -- when i saw you post that picture, i choked up because i thought about seeing this young black boy being held by this giant of a man who was so many things, not just a fashion icon, but so many things that a lot of people may not know. you know, his memoir has sold out since his death, and it's something about giving people their flowers while they're alive. just curious for folks who did not know him, what is something that you think andre would want us all to know about him today? >> that he was the best, i mean, so often again, we're used to shrinking down, you and i know that feeling of walking into rooms and needing to shrink yourself down so that others can feel better about themselves. what he said was, you will know that i am here. you will see that i am here, and his presentation was that. you see him -- the kids like to say they ate the red carpet. he ate up every room meaning when he walked in, you were not going to forget him. he was very aware that he was this big man as ebony said in the gospel according to andre, he recognized his size. he recognized his height and all of what that meant, and he worked it. he worked every aspect of it. he did not want you to leave saying, gosh, look at that big man. he want you to leave saying look at andre leon talley. he walked into that room, and he owned that room. i loved to tell him that i was so happy he finished the gospel according to andre. he hand selected the people who were in it. he wanted his story told the way he wanted it told, and if you want to get a glimpse into his life, i would highly recommend seeing that. i was honored to be part of it, but i know that there were certain parts of it he wanted to keep in there because he wanted the world to know at the end of the day, he did not get everything he deserved in the fashion world through wealth and all of these other things, but what he got in return is a legendary status that will never be forgotten. >> before we let you go, i just want to play a really quick snippet of a tribute that you did to him. we'll take a quick listen. >> andre, what would you like your legacy to be? especially for young up and coming designers who will read this book. >> my legacy i want it to be is that he tried to contribute, he tried to make a difference by helping others be they black, white, yellow, red, green, or blue, and that he would hope that this book would be read by future generations that someone would go into a library sometime in the future a young person, pick up this book and read it, and be inspired as i was. >> i know why you guys were friends because he was a trailblazer and so are you. i sit in this seat because you sat in this seat, so i thank you so much, tamron, for taking time to be with us this morning, and please hug that cute little baby moses for me. >> oh, listen, thank you, tiffany, moses adores you very, very much as i do and everyone watching. so congratulations on everything, and you're sitting in that seat because you own that seat. you worked hard to get it not because i was ever there, and i'm very proud of you. >> thank you, i so appreciate you, tamron. thank you so much. catch tamron's show next week when she welcomes supreme court justice sonia sotomayor, i will certainly be tuned in. thank you so much. coming up later, michael cohen joins alex witt to talk about the investigation into the trump orks and whether ivanka will talk. up next, the senate candidate taking campaign ads to a new high, wink wink. he joins me next to talk about his latest joint. we'll be right back. s latest jot s latest jot we'll be right back. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's oaintenance dose every 8 weeks. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. fasenra is designed to target and remove them. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor tells you to. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection or your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. this is the sound of fasenra. ask your doctor about fasenra. 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>> well, the overwhelming support of so many people from around the country has been powerful and what we've done is elevate the conversation of the state of louisiana in a way that i'm not sure anyone has done before. so we're proud of that. my media director aaron helped us craft an amazing visual and a men fennel job as well.well of affairs in america, we have to say that we've got to do something about the ability for people to drink clean water and breathe clean air and get a good job in their community, and the oil and gas industry has not worked for the state of louisiana because our economy ranks number 49. so while i'm talking about smoking cannabis, i'm going to kick these facts all year long because john kennedy >> yeah, and we're running out of time, and somebody's -- because we didn't talk about you connie for the folks who don't know, that was his famous line. google it, it's worth a watch. okay, we have to run, but it is my last question just for my own curiosity. what were you smoking? was it a dutch? was it a blunt? what was it? tell me. >> that was a fry tone leaf. i know we gots a lot of promotn from backwoods in this, but this is something that shouldn't be as controversial as it is. people do it every day and people in politics need to own it. >> you have to come back on the show. i loved having you thisba morni. you'll come back, thanks so much to gary chambers for being here. the arizona democratic party has actually voted to censure democratic senator kyrsten sinema, quote, as a result of her, failure to do whatever it takes to ensure the health of our democracy. this is major, major breaking news. senator kyrsten sinema censured by arizona democrats. we'll be right back. by arizona democrats recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you. looking to get back in your type 2 diabetes zone? 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