house as the capitol was under siege. it cites one of those moments saying, quote, as january 6th approached president trump attempted on multiple occasions to persuade vice president pence to participate in his plan. one of the president's discussions with the vice president occurred by phone on the morning of january 6th. you were present in the oval office and observed at least one side of that telephone conversation. end quote. ivanka trump's efforts to get the former president to call off the attack on the capitol are also under scrutiny. testimony from mike pence's then national security adviser keith kellogg is also included in the letter. here is one exchange. the committee asked him, quote, do you think that ivanka trump could help get president trump to a place where he would make a statement to try and stop this? kellogg answered, yes. the committee also asked so you thought ivanka could get her taeth to do something about it. kellogg replied take a course of action. he then went on to describe several attempts by ivanka trump to appeal to her father. the committee asked, so presumably the first time ivanka trump went in it wasn't sufficient or she wouldn't have had to go back at least one more time i assume. is that correct? kellogg responded, well, yes, ma'am. i think she went back in there because ivanka can be pretty tenacious. the vice chair liz cheney gave something of a preview of this testimony earlier this month. >> we know as he was sitting if the dining room next to the oval office members of his staff were pleading with him to go on television, to tell people to stop. we know members of his family, we know his daughter, we have first-hand testimony that his daughter ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to please stop this violence. >> the letter to ivanka trump also mentions the national guard's eventual response to the violence on capitol hill. lawmakers want to ask her whether her father gave any orders to deploy the guard. the committee said it's found no evidence that he did. a spokesperson for ivanka trump released a statement that read in part, quote, as the committee already knows, ivanka did not speak at the january 6 rally. as she publicly stated that day at 3:15 p.m. any security breach or disrespect to our law enforcement is unacceptable. the violence must stop immediately. know peaceful. we should note that the committee's letter does not say she was at the rally. the same letter also revealed a previously unknown text from fox news host sean hannity to trump's white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany the day after the riot. hannity wrote, one, no more stolen election talk. two, yes, impeachment and 25th amendment are real and many people will quit. in response, ms. mcenany replied, love that. thank you. that is the playbook. i will help reinforce. the former president trump is now facing an escalating legal threat from the district attorney of fulton county, georgia. the da fani willis requested a special grand jury on thursday to aid her investigation into possible 2020 election interference by president donald trump. you might remember this infamous call that trump made to brad raffensperger who is georgia's secretary of state in early 2021. >> so, look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. >> trump of course did not win the election in georgia. today the former president responded to the da's request with this statement that read in part, quote, my phone call to the secretary of state of georgia was perfect. perhaps even more so than my call with the ukrainian president if that's possible. well, there is also new reporting today about rudy guiliani's involvement in the effort to overturn the 2020 election. "the washington post" reports he oversaw a trump campaign plan to put forward fake electors in at least five states biden won. according to "the post" guiliani worked to replace electors unwilling to go along with the plan. we are also following the latest tonight on the tense situation on ukraine's border with russia and what the biden administration is saying about it. we're going to have much more on that in just a moment. but let's bring in our lead-off guests on this thursday night, shannon pettipiece a veteran journalist and our senior white house reporter for nbc news digital. we have the chief washington correspondent for pbs news hour and msnbc political contributor and neil katyal the former acting solicitor general during the obama administration who has argued dozens of cases before the united states supreme court. friends, good to see you all tonight. thank you for being with us. let's start with you. these letters that the committee sends out are good reading. they're not simply an invitation to participate or submit something but tend to lay out something of the narrative. this is an eight-page letter to ivanka trump. what did you find in there that was new to you? >> not so much. first of all, ali, the trumps at this point have attracted more ad veers legal actions in the last 24 hours than i don't know they've attracted russians and that is really saying something. so it's the things you mentioned, the fulton county, georgia investigation, grand jury being convened. it's ivanka being asked to testify in congress. it's also a remarkable 8-1 loss in the supreme court on executive privilege. all of this stuff is happening together. i haven't even mentioned rudy yet. so with respect to this letter i think it is a remarkable letter that congress sent to ivanka trump. i put the entire thing on my twitter because it is worth, it is many pages long and reveals all sorts of information like that general kellogg said that ivanka was present when donald trump tried to pressure mike pence to throw out the count on january 6th and then foreshadowing the liz cheney stuff that she tried to go in at least, that ivanka trump tried to go in at least twice to stop president trump from doing what he was doing. so what the committee is looking for and what the letter reveals is they want to know at least four things. one, what did ivanka trump know about donald trump's plan for january 6th? second, how did he react as the events unfolded? third, what did she do to try and stop it? and then fourth, what was his reaction? what did he do and not do? we know he sat on his hands at a minimum for over three hours. something that's inexcusable, you know, you or i or any decent person would have done something in that time. we know he didn't. so what was he doing at the time? the last thing i'd say about this letter is it was remarkably smart because what they did is they focused on ivanka trump on january 6th and january 6th only. and the reason for that is the supreme court decision that trump lost yesterday. its facts were about the day of january 6th and so they tailor that letter to it. the decision is going to have much bigger implications than january 6th but this is a smart, targeted, surgical letter. >> good to see you back on our air by the way, my friend. let's talk a little about what the committee knows. these invitations, these letters of invitation, do give you some of the story. so between the fact that we know the national archives have started passing material to the january 6 committee, we don't know what that material is, but the information that the january 6 committee already has, where do you think this puts us in its work? >> well, i tell you this. just looking at reading through the letter we certainly know that ivanka trump figures fairly prominently in other people's testimony before this panel. we also know as neal speaks to the fact president trump sat in the dining room really doing nothing except apparently watching it unfold on television, we know that from stephanie grisham, some public remarks from the former white house press secretary who said president trump sat before the big flat screen with a tivo attached in the white house dining room gleefully rewinding parts of live tv coverage. i was particularly struck, too, ali, by ivanka trump's statement. as you mentioned the letter from the committee makes no mention of the rally that happened on the ellipse before donald trump's supporters laid siege to the capitol but her statement, she makes clear she wasn't a part of it. that raises the question in my mind why is she trying to distance herself from that rally? is it because of what president trump, former president trump said? you know, that we're going to go and give them hell and that you, we will not relent because this election was stolen from us, all of the language he used that effectively incited the riot that unfolded later? so yes. you can certainly see how this committee is painting a full picture of what was happening in the white house at the time president trump was implored from white house staffers to do something. ivanka trump went in twice and it wasn't until 4:17, hours after the insurrection effectively ended, that president trump made the video statement on twitter. >> you both brought up an interesting point and that is the letter in the eight pages does not allege that she was at the rally so the idea her statement to the public she wasn't at the rally is an interesting choice. shannon, it is year two of the biden administration. there have been some legislative successes and recently some failures. an economy performing well but polling indicates people think it is not and the president's polling is under water. the white house is looking at a reset. they don't love the whole january 6 stuff. it is not what they're focused on. so where are they? what is the thinking at the white house? >> certainly they are not focused on january 6 but democrats and strategists have said a lot can be accomplished through this january 6 committee getting to the truth of what happened that day but also have said it is a good reminder of the way things were under the previous trump administration and potentially as people go to the polls in november if there is something like this out there reminding them of the chaos of those days and the lies of that time period could certainly help democrats. in the white house what they are focused on is they seem to think they have a messaging problem here and if they can get the messaging right, get the president out there as we heard him indicate in the press conference he is going to do more of, traveling across the country, trying to get out of the white house bubble, they feel if they can get the messaging right they can address the sagging poll numbers. as you mentioned there are a lot of bright spots in the economy. the white house advisers feel like they have not been emphasizing those much. there are bright spots in the pandemic. the fact that 200 million plus people are fully vaccinated and that largely people who are vaccinated are not ending up in the hospital or icu in the same numbers as those who are unvaccinated. those are some of the -- they are trying to shift the message and focusing to the positives of this and trying to sell what they've got. they can't count on having this build back better $1.7 billion infrastructure or social spending bill. they've got the infrastructure bill. so they are focused on selling that. we've seen that this week. a number of infrastructure events. when the president goes on the road, they'll be talking about the infrastructure bill because that is what they have to sell. now, do they wish they had more? certainly. do roads and bridges get people to show up at polls? we'll see. they have to go with what they've got at this point and that looks like what they've got. and so look for them to try and make a message around those type of talking points. >> neal katyal, jamie raskin the maryland democratic congressman on the january 6 committee posted this to twitter this evening about donald trump and ivanka trump. he said if the former president has no executive privilege to hide evidence of an attempted coup or insurrection, neither do his family or friends. if ivanka trump was with donald trump as the attack unfolded, she is a material fact witness. i look forward to her testimony. what does he mean by that? >> he is a hundred percent right. what the supreme court did yesterday in the 8-1 decision is it said that trump couldn't hide from the american people documents about what he was doing on january 6th. if you can't hide the documents and this is congressman raskin's point you also can't hide the witnesses from testifying. that includes ivanka, it includes a whole cast of characters. that whole team insurrection banked on the fact they thought they had the supreme court so this could make these absurd privilege claims and the supreme court would bail them out. not only did the supreme court wound their defense fatally it did so on an expedited schedule. and so their unified front turned out to be much more like a line of dominos or something like that. so what that means is all these folks who refused to testify, some of them have been held in contempt and are facing criminal charges for trying to avoid congress like steve bannon and mark meadows, the white house chief of staff is well on his way to a similar fate, all those folks can't use what they've been using right now which is executive privilege. they have to come in and tell the truth. i'm sure they'll try bogus legal arguments but they are going nowhere. the most important thing about the whole judicial episode is it was all accomplished in three months. the first lawsuit to try and get these documents was filed on october 18th. the trial court rejected it quickly. the court of appeals our nation's second highest court rejected it quickly. so did the supreme court. so basically i think the courts have caught on to the donald trump delay idea and are saying, uh-huh. at this point the truth has got to come out. >> geoff bennett thon show we talk a good amount about the sausage being made, the process through which things get done in congress but i think this week might have been overload for some americans watching votes come to the senate that were destined to fail and did fail and we end up with what some people think is a big fat zero at the end of it. that is not everybody's view. there are a lot of people who think what happened in the senate with respect to voting rights does establish a basis for moving forward and using new methods to try and get voters' protections enacted. what is your sense? >> yeah. i think it was clarifying for the american people to see where their elected officials stand on this issue of voting rights. that was the risk that president biden and the senate majority leader chuck schumer took with this show vote knowing it would fail. knowing the risk is it would shine a light on democratic divisions. but big picture now it is clarifying in the sense that democrats and the white house are trying to coalesce around a path forward. maybe it is looking at the electoral count act, really firming up the process that president trump tried to take advantage of and insert his vice president to nullify the slate of biden electors to make clear in that law that the vice president's role is really ceremonial at best. there might be an effort beyond that to sort of insert into a rewriting of that law some of the protections included in the john lewis voting rights act and some other protections to make clear that it is illegal to threaten or even attack an election official given that is where we are right now as a country at this point. and so, yeah. i think that is what you hear from white house officials in particular who when they get the question of why move forward with this process, when it was basically a fait accompli, the point is it was important to have the vote to know where the senators stood on this important and to quote president joe biden existential issue. >> shannon pettipiece joe biden knows a lot about foreign policy. he built a pretty strong foreign policy team and then afghanistan happened and that was a bit of a black eye for this administration. now we've got russia. possibly according to the president getting ready to invade ukraine. what is your sense of where the administration is with this? they had a little cleanup to do yesterday after the president made, tried to make some reference to a small invasion versus a big invasion. where do you think the white house is on this to make sure we don't end up with a repeat of the afghanistan situation? >> if you look at the way they've been increasingly signaling that they expect an invasion to happen, at any moment was one of the phrases they used. it is imminent they have been very strong in signaling this week that they think something is going to happen. they don't see a path right now for putin to back down. that's a big change from two weeks ago when there was still talks going on. so there does seem to be a resignation within the administration when you look to what they are saying publicly that they -- this is inevitable we are going to see some form of invasion and the president alluded to sort of had to make a cleanup between a minor invasion or major invasion that essentially he came out today and said any russian troops crossing the border into ukraine is an invasion and will be met with severe consequences. and we have also heard the president sort of ratcheting up his, i wouldn't say threats but the seriousness with the sanctions that the administration plans to impose and talking about how he thinks putin will regret any action he takes in ukraine once he feels the response that comes from u.s. and allies. it is a situation the white house is certainly taking very seriously. you could see in the president's remarks yesterday he didn't really know what move putin was going to make. but that certainly there is no indication of putin backing down at this point. and what has been taking place, talks, has not resulted in any sort of de-escalation and it doesn't seem there are many more cards left the administration has to play and they are now waiting to let it play out. and the ball is in putin's court as to what he is going o it do next. >> shannon, you set us up well for our next segment. thank you for that. shannon pettipiece, geoff bennett, neal katyal we appreciate your time tonight. joe biden has given vladimir putin a clear warning now. our next guest served as chief of staff at the department of defense and said putin is about to make a huge strategic mistake in ukraine. later the do over for the biden administration. the speaker of the house wants a major bill to get the president's agenda back on track. former senator al franken and bill kristol weigh in on whether that is even possible. 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"the wall street journal" sums up the concern this way. quote, ukrainian officials are touchy in part because their analysis is that a large-scale attack isn't russia's probable course. instead the kremlin would probably deploy more covert measures to destabilize its neighbor and remove leadership top officials say. as a result ukrainian leaders want western leaders not to play down less lethal aggression by moscow. we welcome back the former chief of staff at the cia jeremy batch and the pentagon. good to talk to you again. this may not seem like a big deal to a lot of people particularly after the clarifications but it sent shock waves through ukraine because rush' has done both sorts of things along its border with ukraine and other countries. actual invasions and things that aren't really invasions but impose on a country's sovereignty. >> yeah, that's right, ali. russia practices what is known as hybrid warfare or gray zone warfare. this can include cyber attacks. it can include propaganda. it can include little green men. it can include drones and other small munitions. things that are well short of an actual invasion. so i think the president was exactly right and the white house was spot on in clarifying that any incursion into the sovereignty of ukraine whether small, large, major, minor, kinetic or cyber or covert, that is going to be met with a swift and decisive response by the united states and our 29 nato allies. >> here is the problem. if ukraine were a nato country that decision would be simpler because there is an article that says if a nato country is attacked it is as if they are all attacked. ukraine is not there. it is a western facing eastern country that used to be eastern facing eastern country. "the washington post" says what you said. they've echoed that in an editorial today and says, unwise as it was mr. biden's original remark was reality based. even as russian president vladimir putin masses troops on ukraine's borders and threatens to invade, european governments remain divided over how to respond if he does. crucially, there is no consensus on how much aggression by russia would or should trigger the massive sanctions the west has threatened as mr. biden essentially admitted. the allies are not even on the same page as to deterrence itself. what do you make of that? >> well, i think there is something to the fact that you're right. ukraine is not part of nato. we don't have a treaty requirement. ukraine is on the door step of nato. there has been a lot of talk about nato expansion. in fact, that's been america's policy over the last 30 years since the fall of the berlin wall which is to keep the door to nato open to any country that wants to come in to the alliance. and so a country like ukraine which is trying to be a democracy, trying to align with the west even though they obviously have some significant historical ties to the russian federation, i think it is important that the united states, the west, european powers defend ukraine, defend territorial sovereignty and make clear that no country like the kremlin's efforts here can be forced to decide who to be an ally with under the threat of a hundred thousand troops on their border. that is not the way we do things in the modern era. russia shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. >> one of the things you will know about from your days at the defense and the cia is that there are lots of types of sanctions. we tried some with russia including after the first invasion of crimea. now biden hinted yesterday they are not going to be able to do business in dollars. the banks won't be able to get dollars. we haven't seen any of those sanctions there but people we've spoken to said that actually could be cripple go to russia. >> no doubt, ali. first, russia is a declining power, its economy is fairly brittle and fragile. when you cut off the ability of russian financial institutions to work in dollars, that could have a very significant and crippling effect. i don't think putin has a huge margin of error here. he is pursuing here an attempt i guess to shore up his own popularity within russia but if he engages in this cross border attack and he, the result is a crippling set of sanctions by europeans and by the united states i think this is going to go down to putin's detriment big time. >> jeremy, good to see you as always. thanks for joining us tonight former chief of staff at the cia and pentagon. coming up a look at what democrats think they might be able to get done this year as midterms loom when "the 11th hour" continues. s midterms loom when "the 11th hour" continues. designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect. mount everest, the tallest mountain on the face of the earth. keep dreaming. 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be a major part of it. so what the president calls chunks i would hope would be a major bill going forward. >> democrats are plotting a path forward to try to at least get pieces of the president's agenda passed. and the climate change portion of build back better may be their first target. but the "new york times" warns, quote, that could mean jettisoning many child care, health care, and tax overhaul provisions that are priorities for different segments of the democratic coalition. back with us tonight former minnesota democratic senator al franken who hosts a podcast bearing his name and bill kristol author, writer, thinker, and politico, a veteran of the reagan and bush administrations and the editor-at-large at the bulwark. good to see you both, gentlemen. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> al, your thoughts. you have spent a lot of time in the united states senate and you have a sense of what works and doesn't work. is this idea and bill has suggested in the past of taking the big bills and making them smaller bills a strategy that could work for democrats? >> i think that is kind of exactly the right idea. i think we should put -- the elements of the bill are extremely popular. what we should do is just put them out one by one and, you know, have americans see for themselves what the elements are. so do you want to ky because republicans won't vote, put a cap on the price of insulin? well then vote republican. you know, don't want to be able to afford child care? vote republican. you know, want to pay more for your health care? vote republican. do you want to leave your grandchildren and kids in unlivable planet? vote republican. you know, biden has said the thing is they're not for anything. it takes nothing to be for nothing. it takes, you know, you can be just brain dead to be for nothing. but i just, you know, it is different to stop things people want. that is what they're going to have to do if we put these out one by one and then put them in a package at the end. i think that is a great plan, bill. >> yes. >> must have been three or four weeks ago bill when you talked about this. now that it looks like this might be a likely path forward, and those who thought that something different could happen in the senate on tuesday and wednesday are now, have now learned that won't be the case how do you see it unfolding? do you see a situation in which any republicans are in a position to get behind some parts of the bills or will we see the same thing with every one of the bills put forward by the democrats? >> again, i think if you put things on the floor and make them debate one by one it is harder for the republicans simply to maintain that, you know, unity of 50. what is it, an 800-page bill. no one knows what is in it. you picked the worst thing in it. mitch mcconnell emfa the one thing they are happy to be against and the rest all sort of disappears. trillions of dollars. we have inflation. typical democrats just want to throw money at everything. we'll stop this. whereas if al says if you are stopping child care, stopping capping the price of insulin or whatever, the same with voting rights incidentally. if you are stopping a provision to stop the political intimidation of neutral election observers, stopping provisions that are much more easy to explain and obviously address things happening in the states right now in real time, i think those are a lot easier one by one. harder for the republicans to oppose. doesn't mean they couldn't oppose them but then you have to run on that in november. they haven't made the republicans' lives difficult. i talked to some of my few remaining republican friends what i am struck by is they feel no pressure. they are paying no price for opposing a lot of important voter rights legislation, opposing some good maybe some not so great but some good and useful social welfare legislation, child care legislation. they are feeling no pressure from the swing voters who don't realize, just think it is a big fight of the two parties and they say read about some vote one day it is 50/50 and it doesn't pass then it goes away and then on to another topic. democrats have not politically handled this ideally. they have time though. >> al, once you start breaking these things up there are some people for whom it is 100% clear climate is the biggest priority, some people, health care, or child care is the biggest priority. how do the democrats manage constituencies on the left who have wanted to some degree a bit of an all or nothing strategy? >> well they are not going to get an all or nothing strategy. you put them out one by one and you see what goes down in flames. you put them out there and you see what will make republicans really uncomfortable to vote against. then you've got an issue for the campaign if they vote against it. but, you know, we still don't know exactly what joe manchin is for or against. maybe he'll find out when we put him out there 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to bet against america. and that's more true today than ever. i've never been more optimistic about america's future. there is nothing beyond our capacity if we do it together. this is the party that we are fighting back against who didn't have a platform in 2020. mcconnell and mccarthy already said they don't have a policy platform for 2022. they don't stand for anything. they don't believe in anything other than fear, fraud, and facism. >> that is the point al franken was just making, picking up the president's midterm strategy earlier today don't pull any punches when it comes to republican obstructionism. with nine months to go nbc's jonathan allen wonders if it will be enough writing, quote, the question for biden is whether voters will reward democrats for not being republicans or grow more frustrated with what he hasn't been able to achieve. still with us al franken and bill kristol. bill, you heard what jamie harrison had to say about this. earlier this week you tweeted the six main strands of the trump coup attempt in which you said the conspiracy theories, the lawsuits, the fake federal investigations, stop the steal whips up the base, fake electors and objectors, and pressure on state and local officials. in fairness you write this as the main strands of the trump coup attempt which would be very simple for republicans to say, that's not us. we don't stand for that stuff. that's garbage. we have something else. joe biden did make the point today, we don't have a real republican platform that they have presented. >> excellent piece. summarizing just to give credit where credit is due. look, if they say we did a good job, people don't quite see how good a job we did and those republicans don't stand for anything, they will not do well. the normal thing that happens in an off year election, grievances of some sort, not as great as they thought it would be november two years ago so they vote against the party that has the white house. the democrats have to create a choice. they can't just let it be a referendum on the biden administration. they have to make the choice stark and it can't just be the republicans don't have a platform. it has to be that the republicans are crazy. pro insurrectionist. antivaccination. they've got to find ex-am pls of that trump being the main one but to say we don't care about all that stuff trump is saying, they don't have the nerve. in minnesota a moderate state somewhat swingish state there was a republican governor's debate a week ago or something like that and they each competed to be more loyal to trump than the last. that has to be wrapped around their necks, made to stick in the voters' minds. you have a choice of two parties. one of them disappoints you a little bit, make some mistakes, and the other one is antidemocracy, totally irresponsible, at the whim of donald trump. as people like marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert, etcetera, they have to make that contrast and make it a choice. >> al, you tweeted out, your comedic background came out in a tweet on january 18th in which you said guiliani, powell, et al must be thrilled to finally present the january 6th committee with the proof that the election was stolen. i mean, they did nothing but take every opportunity they could including at that landscaping place in philadelphia to tell everyone who would listen about the fraud in this election and now they are being invited by a committee of the united states congress to do so. >> yeah. they said they were just stopped by procedural decisions. they said that. well, okay. great. now you got all the chance in the world to publicly tell us where all the evidence is. of course they won't show up because there is none. and yeah. we got to show them from the nut cases they are. you know, the oath keepers charged with seditious conspiracy, that ought to be really hard to prove because their oath is, i pledged to overthrow the united states government. they're nuts but we also have to give, show what we're for and i feel like joe biden has to be harry truman who's got to go, and he said something about doing that, and go around the country and we'll introduce this legislation and say what we're for and that'll be a great contrast. today they had nothing. they are for nothing. except for this craziness. that's their party. >> bill kristol look in your crystal ball a little bit about what the republican party looks like in 2024. you see what i did there. this week donald trump in arizona looks very much like a guy running for president. what does the republican party look like in 2024? because there are people like you and we talked to a number of people like you who i suspect will remain conservative after this whole debacle is done but you won't have a very comfortable home. what do you do to build one? is there a home for conservatives who aren't crazy in this country? >> i mean, the home right now is probably either being a great fan of liz cheney, adam kinzinger are it in the house willing to tell the truth. think about that. 212 house republicans. lots of them aren't crazy about trump. some quietly distance themselves or don't go along cheerleading for the craziness like lauren boebert or marjorie taylor greene. how many are willing to actually stand up against it and say it was unacceptable, terrible, donald trump cannot be our nominee again. donald trump cannot be president again? two. two out of 211. that's the republican party which is bad for the country. it's an opportunity honestly for the democrats. they've done a terrible job i think. they let the republicans get away with, well, we're not quite as crazy as trump. we're not going to say anything against trump or insurrections or anything, we'll let governors discourage vaccinations and masks but they do it a little bit quietly or not totally nuts about it. we're not going to make a big deal. i think the democrats need to draw the contrast honestly. >> we should talk about that. on the senate floor just every one of those republican senators saying, okay. i have a question for from blank. do you believe the election was stolen? and can you tell me exactly how that happened? tell me about it. would you? take as much time as you got. tell me how the election was stolen. i'm waiting. >> to bill's point about how you pin this on republicans, why haven't democrats been able to do a more effective job of doing exactly what bill says? there are some republicans out there who can say i'm not crazy. i'm not with him. this is actually what i believe in. >> they secretly say, well, if i say the election wasn't stolen then i'll be primaried by someone even crazier and so you don't want that guy. you want me. i'm in a safe state. i am not going to publicly do that. i am doing us all a service. believe me there are people a lot nuttier than me. that's what you hear from them. that is what i hear from my former colleagues. it's sad. >> that's wild when that is what 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