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procedure combat teams use as they prepare to breach a building and it's instantly recognizable to any soldier or marine who has served. looking at that level of coordination, it's frightening to see just how close we came to a coup and a year later, our democracy remains at risk. today, that risk isn't from a group of men making their way up the capitol steps but from a coordinated, nation-wide attack on voting rights in this country. tomorrow, the u.s. marks martin luther king jr. day, every year we celebrate the life, work and legacy of the civil rights giant, but tonight, on the heels of another federal voting rights failure, i want to play these words from king in 1963. >> i think the tragedy is that we have a congress with a senate that has a minority of misguided senators who will use the filibuster to keep the majority of people from even voting. they won't let the majority vote and certainly don't want the majority of people to vote because they know they do not represent the majority of american people. >> now that tragedy king spoke of almost six decades ago is still plaguing our country today, almost down to a word. this weekend, king's family rallied in arizona, pushed for voting rights, home state of the filibuster in chief, senator kristen sinema, their son mlk the third poked holes in the rhetoric. >> what's being done in these states it's about the filibuster yet every state passing the laws done it without republican legislatures, not bipartisan, so that doesn't seem to be a sufficient argument. >> and he's right, republican senators against the country pass a out right fight against voting rights. 16 laws restricting access to voteening this country and at least 163 republicans who embraced trump's lie are running for statewide positions which would give them authority in this country. so what are democrats, the party that actually holds power and control in the moment in washington, what are they doing to counter the assault on our democracy? let's put it up on the screen for you. nothing. literally nothing. on the federal level, no concrete action has been taken to protect voting rights in america. that's because two, i'll use king's words here, misguided senator, two misguided senators would rather protect the filibuster than protect the right to vote. in a 1957 martin luther king jr. speech he delivered, one of his major thoughts titled "give us the ballot" and in that speech, king called out what he described as a sort of quasi liberalism based on the principle of looking sympathetically at all sides. quote, a liberalism so bent on seeing all sides, that it fails to becoming committed to either side. it is a liberalism that is so objectively analytical that it is not subjectively committed. a liberalism which is neither hot nor cold, but luke warm. and it's that luke warm liberalism king warned about in 1957 that is infecting our country today. make no mistake about it. senators manchin and sinema are so committed to this, all sides' nonsense, that they're standing idly by as gop lets state legislatures carry out an assault on our democracy and if anyone in this country thinks republicans in congress are going to sign on to a bipartisan watered-down voting rights bill, call me. i have a bridge to sell you. in 2021, georgia was one of the 19 states to pass new voter restriction laws, and now, ahead of the 2022 midterm elections, the states republican-led legislature want to see do it again. the republican leader of the georgia state senate promised to introduce a fresh batch of bills that could go even further than what we saw in 2021. joining me now to discuss this and more, georgia state representative, bee win, also candidate for georgia state. i want to start out by asking your reaction to what went down in washington last week, it was a pretty seismic week if you've been tracking the decline of our democracy. have you given up on federal voting rights action to come in? >> look, and, you know, as soon as we recognize that our voting rights were on the block, having gone through legislative session where two page bill turned into 98 page voter suppression bill with the doors to open the subversion of democracy, we knew it was instrumental to pass federal voting rights protection. we also know here in georgia that kristen sinema and joe manchin have been blocking that effort so i'm not surprised to be in the position we're in but i see the urgency of this, we cannot give up. we cannot let our guard down. the other side of the aisle are nut letting up and as you mentioned earlier, ayman, they're continuing to chop away at our voting rights. republican-led legislature, by simple majority without bipartisan support, so time is of the essence, we can never give up that fight for federal voting rights protection. >> madam representative, let's talk a little about your state for the moment in georgia specifically. those new proposals include eliminating all remaining ballot drop boxes, discarding the state's voting touch-screen machines and creating constitutional amendment to prevent any future possibility of noncitizens voting. what's the probability here that these could become law? >> you know, georgia republicans aren't slowing down on their assault against our democracy. so i think we take every single threat seriously, every single proposal seriously. we know the other side of the aisle is in coordinated effort that is happening across our country both in georgia and other state legislatures. so i don't see republicans slowing down on their efforts because they know that in order for them to install minority rule, they have to proceed with these voter suppression bills. they want to make it harder to vote and a state like georgia, without having any evidence of why to eliminate secure drop boxes widely used by both sides the aisle and used by our governor, because they know georgia is changing. we delivered in 2020, delivered in 2021, have state-wide elections coming up and they know, because they don't have policies that protect georgia, they're going to do everything they can to prevent us to vote in 2022, but setting us up for failure in 2024 by the election subversion laws they continue to push in our state. >> i think a lot of people may have not even known the position of secretary of state and what it does in our elections before 2020, because of what we saw in that race, you know, secretary of state races are getting a lot more attention, a lot more fund raising. in georgia, all the candidates raised more during this cycle than the current secretary of state, brad rappensberger did at this point in 2018. can you talk about the impact, this increased attention had on your campaign so far? >> yeah, so the average person may have not known the name of secretary of states in georgia or other states across our country, but we now know this is a pivotal role. we also know it is not just georgia, it's every swing state. michigan, arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania, georgia, we know republicans are running a concerted, nationalized effort, funded by millions of dollars of dark money trying to install radical right wing republicans who don't believe in the legitimacy of the 2020 election. the front runner on the side endorsed by the former president, jody heis, running, could that be the deciding state for the presidential election in 2024? exactly the kind of candidate showing he's unwilling to certify the will of the people and certify the election. the swing states and georgia are critical safeguard to see our democracy, especially if we're unable to pass federal voting rights protection. >> all right, georgia state representative, bee nguyen, thank you so much for joining us. tuesday, senate is expected to take up voting rights legislation yet again. is there a future for voting rights legislation, let's ask our sunday night panel with us right now, chief correspondent for pbs news hour, also msnbc political contributor, brown, columnist for nbc daily and ceo of new daily project. hayes, how do you see this week playing out for democrats? any hope for chuck schumer to pull this off? >> it was just one of the two, it wasn't just joe manchin or kyrsten sinema standing in the way, there's more leverage chuck schumer and democrats could have against them, but given the two of them, they're so far against everything but the filibuster, until this point, trying to court both of them to pass the build back better act, the giant piece of legislation supposed to be the corner stone of president biden's economic agenda, with that they turned to voting rights, but given how far apart sinema and manchin are on that bill, we can't push too hard on them, otherwise what chance is there of passing build back better act? meanwhile, i feel like the fact that they're going to go through with this, the fact schumer is in least, in theory, going to have this vote getting around the filibuster and trying to pass this bill, forcing manchin and sinema to cast this vote, with it, seems republicans to keep the filibuster in place, that is going to be so damaging to their brands i feel like, one of the main things they are remembered for, when you say their name that's what people are going to remember them for if anything. >> so jeff, just this morning, had mit romney on meet the press senator, saying bill would give the federal government too much power on the elections. let me play with you majority jim clyburn had to say in response. >> i would say to the senator, consult your history. i watched over the years, a bit disturbed. his father, george romney, george romney had a much more, let's say, compassionate view of the world than his son seems to be expressing. >> so pretty personal, pretty sharp words there from the majority, but the question here, jeff, is without filibuster reform, democrats need republicans to pass anything, as hayes just explained on so many other issues. are tensions boiling over now on capitol hill? >> yeah, and i think an important contexteral note to make is this, authority to pass filibuster reform is getting a lot of attention because democrats control the levers of power in washington but you the chief reason voting rights legislation is stalled in the senate is because republicans are in lock step in opposition. in 2006, the last time the voting rights act had to be authorized passed unanimously, every republican senator at the same time voted in favor of it, more than a dozen still there, so the question is why, now, do you have republicans opposing it? it is because republicans have decided to use the cover of donald trump's big lie on suppression and subversion laws and others decided it's not in their political best interest when you have more black and brown voters, when you have more younger voters and when you have more first time voters go to the poll. in georgia, record turn-out turn that state blue for president biden and sent those two democrats to the senate, giving democrats the margin they have now and what resulted from that? we know there was no fraud, but what resulted from that was a host of more stringent election laws making it harder to vote in georgia but also elects partisans into this process, by which the state election board could potentially be under the hospices of the republican state legislature. so what that does is it takes a nonpartisan apolitical electoral process and makes it political so you're finding this political war right now, with laws, numbers expected to grow, at the thinnest of margins trying to make changes and clearly they don't have the power they need to and the votes to get that done right now. >> i know i've probably used this analogy a lot but democrats showing up to a gun fight with a knife because on one hand as jeff was saying there, 19 states, 34 laws restricting voting rights by some measure, you have as we outlined this attempt to buy candidates and supporters of the big lie, to take over positions that allow them to overrun or oversee our elections and possibly turning over the results if they're not satisfied with them. democrats in d.c. are failing time and time again on voting rights legislation. what are you hearing from activists on the ground. i mean, you're doing the work on the ground. what is it they need to get done right now in the absence of filibuster reform? >> well, i think that tuesday's vote is going to be super important. i think there's been a lot of conversation about manchin and sinema and who is and isn't for filibuster reform and whether or not the senators from, you know, connecticut and montana are with us or against us. i think it's time to count noses, right, that we need to, so not just for history's sake, but for the protection of voting rights that we need right now, we need to understand the state of play. so is it 48 senators, is it 45? i think that's super important in this moment. i think that just allowing folks to hide behind manchin and sinema does us no good in this moment. i also think that when i talk to other activists and organizers and ordinary voters and citizens who are deeply concerned about this bloodless coup attempt that we are all witnessing and living through right now, i think there's a general consensus that just because democrats and the president missed their best opportunity to protect our elections doesn't mean it's the only opportunity, so if the vote on tuesday doesn't pass, it does not mean that we can't come back. i don't think we're going to let up. we're not going to shut up about it. i agreed with the president when he was in atlanta on tuesday, being quiet about this. there's no path forward for build back better or any of the other domestic or foreign policy priorities if we're not able to secure a right to vote and ensure that the will of the people is reflected in the results of our elections so guess what? right? if republicans can have 50 votes to try to get rid of the affordable care act, we can definitely have more than one vote to try to protect american elections. >> hayes, democrats, they encounter the same two issues every time and the only reason why i bring this point up, the only reason we talk about senator joe manchin and kristen sinema is because 50 republicans are absolutely no on any kind of meaningful voting rights to reform, but their views haven't changed. is there time for plan b, to maybe win over two other republicans out there? or they just going to absolutely say no way on this? >> i mean, two won't do the trick, i feel like, for something of this nature. two, you have to win them over on getting rid of the filibuster to pass the democratic led bill, that's probably not going to happen. even lisa mercowsky, the only senator on board with john lewis voting rights advancement act, even if she's in favor of getting rid of filibuster to pass that, she won't be for the expanded bill democrats want passed in the senate. no -- joe manchin was given the chance to round votes for the freedom to vote act, which was supposed to be the bill to win over republicans and the for the people act they tried to pass, he was not able to get any republican on that front. so i don't know what kind of slimmed down bill you could pitch to them that would still do the things that need to get done to actually reform voting rights and put a minimum floor, let this bill, put a minimum floor, for what, at the federal level, voting rights are for people as they go to cast their ballots across the country. >> all right, hayes, brown, jeff bennett, thank you so much for joining us this evening, appreciate it. oathkeepers charged with seditious conspiracy, why this is so significant to the january 6 investigation next. but first, richard louie here with the headlines. some of the stories this hour, breaking news update on the texas synagog investigation, senior law enforcement official telling msnbc new two teenagers detained in south manchester in england, sons of malik fazel achram, fbi identified as gunman for the hostage situation. according to this official, suspect was in touch with his sons at some point during the situation on saturday. officials in japan and south korea warning at least one suspected ballistic missile launched from north korea this weekend, this evening rather. fourth rocket volley since the start of january, north korea ramping up tests of new potentially nuclear capable missiles to overwhelm missile defenses in the region. and a tsunami threat following massive volcano eruption on saturday, begun to recede, erupted near the nation of tonga creating solid boom all the way to alaska. more after the break. to alaska. more after the break i'll pick this one up. i earn 3% cash back on dining including takeout with chase freedom unlimited. so, it's not a problem at all. you guys aren't gonna give me the fake bill fight? 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>> there's no question. and that's the whole purpose of this allegation, of this indictment, it reads almost like a guide book or like a map to what happened on january 6 and to why that day became so horrifically violent, it's a miniature look at who people in the justice department alleged planned for this attack, lied at the time, perpetrated on purpose for the political reason of overturning the election outcome. there's so much in this document that is really, really interesting. one thing that i found particularly striking when i was reading over it is it details how rhodes spent $40,000 from december 30th until january 19th on guns, ammunition and other military-related items. that's a lot of money for starters and the indictment doesn't make clear where that money came from, a lot of money in a short period of time. what's particularly interesting is at least half of that 40 grand, rhodes spent after january 6. this seditious -- right -- this conspiracy as laid out in the indictment, doj is presenting it as something that continued after the attack was completed, after the attackers failed to reach their stated goal of blocking the certification of the electoral college and that really draws, helps understand why the capitol building was so millmilitaryized, the level of security at the capitol that day seemed dramatic but the fact you have someone like steward rhodes continuing to stock up on guns and ammunition after this, staying in touch with fellow coconspeareters on efforts to block election results shows officials why to be concerned. it's interesting you see from rhodes attorney, that he would say there is no evidence, because this is the first indictment at all of stewart rhodes, in addition, some of what is laid out here is stuff rhodes said publicly, including people would be in the united states, have military equipment nearby and might take up arms. just because it's stuff that you said publicly, by the way, doesn't mean the doj can't use it in court, and that's something this indictment makes really clear. >> yeah, and you made such, you know, a series of really good valid points there. i did want to go back to this one sound byte of roads speaking on, i believe it was january the 4th or 5th of what he called the nuclear option on steve bannen's show. >> we have men stationed already outside dc as a nuclear option in case they attempt to remove the president illegally, we will stop it, so got good men on the ground already. did recon there last week, sorting out where we'll be staging. inside dc, also outside of dc armed, prepared to go in, if the president calls -- >> that was 2 days before the january 6, him talking about a nuclear option. do we have any idea how far they were willing to take it and what he meant by a nuclear option? >> that's a good question. my assumption, frankly, is that he meant that the plans he detailed there were the plans they would execute and those are the plans they executed. they had weapons stored at, i think the comfort inn in arlington virginia, across the river from dc. had people in washington at the capitol building, also had someone at that comfort inn who was, according to the indictment, texting oathkeepers at the capitol building throughout the day ask if they had instructions, the way the texts are presented it reads like this person in the comfort inn in arlington wanted to know, when do i bring in the weapons, how can i be helpful in this situation? there was very much a lot of organization. look, one of the challenges for people who work in the intelligence space is distinguishing between hyperbole, people just talking big game on the internet and threats, people making deliberate plans to engage in violence. that clip, it's hard to watch that clip and not take it seriously. it's hard to watch it and think this is somebody who is just spouting off the top of his head and being silly. it's deliberate, it sounds sober-minded when he's giving that and has a lot of specifics. the facts law enforcement officials didn't see that and use that as justification to further secure the capitol building is something in retrospect that still boggals the mind. >> and to say trump and his allies to down play this, say oh, we haven't seen seditious conspiracy, insurrection charges, we are now seeing seditious conspiracy, and others -- betsy, thank you so much for joining us this evening. appreciate your time. if you don't know who mo amar is, you'll probably become a fan after tonight, a unique perspective from the palestinian american stand-up comedian and writer and the awkward situation he found himself on a flight to scotland. . brand new. even with these crazy lovebirds. 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what has your journey been like, as a comic during the pandemic? >> well, i was incredibly fortunate, you know, at that time i had my netflix show, i was writing my series at that time, when the pandemic started, over zoom, that was the early experiment of writing. on zoom, i'm not sure if we were first or not because it's close, honestly, and experiencing that was interesting, and having the shows in ohio that had so many amazing stand-up comedians that came through and spending it there for three months, you know, was once-in-a-lifetime experience so my pandemic was very different. aside from the divorce, it was very different. some people had babies, some people got divorced -- >> divorce and covid twice. >> yeah, two-time covid champ, want to give it up. you know, it's a -- it was a scary time, not to make light of it but, you know, a lot of people were affected differently by it of course, so just stay cogniscent of that. but yeah, man, it was, i'm very lucky i got through it twice and i'm vaccinated, like i'm done, i'm over it. >> one of the things i really appreciated, how much you spoke about your personal experience, you started out as arab american following 9/11 you joke about it in your netflix special saying that conversation you were having with your brother that your comedy career was over following the terrorist attacks. you had a funny line in response i don't want to give it away to our viewers because i want them to watch it but you lived through the trump era as a palestinian american and found yourself sitting next to eric trump on the way to scotland, how much has your comedy factored into the story you tell? >> it's a big part of t talking about your personal experiences is so important and molds you to who you are today, so like singing authentic on stage being honest is where it's at, and that eric trump experience keeps following me, man. it happened so long ago but keeps tracking. i don't know when it's going to go away, but eventually it will. i hope it does. just keeps coming back up, but, you know, ironically, the trump era was very good for me not great, you know, the way, there's a lot to get into on how he handled many things and how ridiculous the whole experience was itself, like we're all cast in a reality show that we didn't know we were being, that we didn't, you know, know we were auditioning for, it felt that way to me, but it was very good. you know, i think it was just the timing of it all, spending so much time on my career, doing this for 23 years since i was a little kid so eventually had to level up, right? >> listen, we all needed that comic relief during those four years so we're now on the backend of it and still need the comic relief to some extent. >> the entire four years was the best comedy show on the planet. i would come home and my mom would tell me like, you know, you're not the funniest comedian, i'm like what do you mean, what are you talking about, she's like there's someone way better than you i'm like who? my mom's watching comedy? she says trump. trump is by far the best stand-up comedian on planet earth and i, it's hard to disagree with her. >> yeah, your mom is right on that one. listen, i want to ask you about something i think resonated with a lot of people like myself, people who have, you know, 1 foot in different cultures, both here and in the middle east. you're passionate about being a texan at heart. houston is your hometown, you recently had a day in houston named after you. that's impressive. but you also joke about the divisions in this country and how your neighbor, scott, scott the red neck as you called him, had a lot in common or he was there for you when houston was going through the hurricane and you guys were out of power. i mean, do you think, what do you think about the divisions in this country and how that influences your comedy? >> well, i just wanted to give people a perspective that's never seen on television. that's something very frustrating to me, somebody who's, you know, a houstonian and has an amazing neighbor, he is redneck scott, shout out, what's up, bro. he is, really, one of the biggest rules in islam is like being neighborly, and there's nobody more neighborly than scott. he is so caring, his whole family, and just seeing that experience, you know, it's always like oh, you see this, get the muslims out of here type of energy when the reality is that these relationships exist everywhere and they need to start surfacing more and more and me and show a different side. because i don't think it's fair for both parties, you know, i just, i think it's really important. scott's always been there for me man, that guy is hyper-prepared on any situation possible. guys got generators, welding machines, walked in on him like gutting a deer. >> you struck gold with the -- yeah, i was going to say you struck gold with the neighbor lottery there. it's something we could all use. listen, i wanted to ask u, because i know i mentioned this off the top, you got this new netflix special, got a superhero movie alongside the rock, have your own show a new season of romy coming out, so much going on in your life. what are you most excited about when you look forward to 2022. >> vacation. [ laughter ] you know, be careful what you wish for and dream for. no, it's all really, it's really overwhelming, and i say vacation because it's really going to take that to truly take time to understand what just happened over the last couple years and what i've been building. i mean, i wrote the opening to my series seven years ago. you know, so it's like really sticking to something, believing in yourself and understanding that to build something special takes time. and to never give up on it and understand that it's there for you to be released at a certain point so it's timely and timeless and that's, that's something that's really special. of course i'm looking forward to the rock movie, man, like who is not looking forward, shot to work with "the rock" he's really cool, surprised the audience with a video message and didn't intend to use it in the special but it was his suggestion and i'm like who am i to turn down the rock, you know, part of the deal, part of the deal i have to wear his shirt all the time, you know, that's, the only caveat. so it's okay. >> i love it. our special, thank to see mo amer of course you can catch his new netflix special "mohammed in texas" out now which when we come back, a crisis in afghanistan unfolding, millions facing potentially lifethreatening food insecurity this winter, we'll break down what you need to know about that crisis, next. break down what you need to know about that what you need to know about that crisis, next ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ i'm always up for what's next, even whigher stroke risk due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin i'll go after that. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily or take longer for bleeding to stop. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, or unusual bruising. it may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. the number one cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner. ask your doctor about eliquis. do you take aspirin? plain aspirin could be hurting your stomach. new vazalore is the first liquid-filled aspirin capsule clinically shown to cause fewer ulcers than plain aspirin. vazalore is designed to help protect... releasing aspirin after it leaves your stomach... where it is absorbed to give you the benefits of life saving aspirin... to help prevent another heart attack or stroke. heart protection with your stomach in mind. try new liquid-filled vazalore. aspirin made amazing! real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ it's five months since the u.s. left afghanistan, after a 20 year war, took just weeks for the country to fall into complete economic turmoil and since then, things, as you can imagine, have gone from bad to diabolically worse, the nation facing the worst hunger crisis since records began and according to eight agencies, well over half the country's population are facing hunger. that's more than 22 million people, including 14 million children expected to suffer from malnutrition in this winter. million of those at risk of dying of starvation, and desperate families left to sell anything they have, including their own children, believe it or not, just to get the bear minimum to stay alive. u.n. just launched a fund raising effort, largest ever appeal for a single country, calling for $5 billion in aid this year alone. u.s. announcing this week, they'll pledge an addition $308 million in assistance to funding they're already providing, but the crisis is far from over. the country remains in stranglehold from taliban rule, because united states and others froze assets of the former government held by the u.s. federal reserve, worth about $9 billion. country, cut off from international financial constitutions, bank roll operation in the country now ruled by the taliban. no arguing that the nation remains under illegitimate rule leaving the u.s. with little choice but to issue sanctions for taliban mill military takeover but millions of lives hang in the balance so what's the solution? we'll talk about that next. wha the solution the solution we'll talk about that next ♪ ♪ we gotta tell people that liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need, and we gotta do it fast. 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procedure combat teams use as they prepare to breach a building and it's instantly recognizable to any soldier or marine who has served. looking at that level of coordination, it's frightening to see just how close we came to a coup and a year later, our democracy remains at risk. today, that risk isn't from a group of men making their way up the capitol steps but from a coordinated, nation-wide attack on voting rights in this country. tomorrow, the u.s. marks martin luther king jr. day, every year we celebrate the life, work and legacy of the civil rights giant, but tonight, on the heels of another federal voting rights failure, i want to play these words from king in 1963. >> i think the tragedy is that we have a congress with a senate that has a minority of misguided senators who will use the filibuster to keep the majority of people from even voting. they won't let the majority vote and certainly don't want the majority of people to vote because they know they do not represent the majority of american people. >> now that tragedy king spoke of almost six decades ago is still plaguing our country today, almost down to a word. this weekend, king's family rallied in arizona, pushed for voting rights, home state of the filibuster in chief, senator kristen sinema, their son mlk the third poked holes in the rhetoric. >> what's being done in these states it's about the filibuster yet every state passing the laws done it without republican legislatures, not bipartisan, so that doesn't seem to be a sufficient argument. >> and he's right, republican senators against the country pass a out right fight against voting rights. 16 laws restricting access to voteening this country and at least 163 republicans who embraced trump's lie are running for statewide positions which would give them authority in this country. so what are democrats, the party that actually holds power and control in the moment in washington, what are they doing to counter the assault on our democracy? let's put it up on the screen for you. nothing. literally nothing. on the federal level, no concrete action has been taken to protect voting rights in america. that's because two, i'll use king's words here, misguided senator, two misguided senators would rather protect the filibuster than protect the right to vote. in a 1957 martin luther king jr. speech he delivered, one of his major thoughts titled "give us the ballot" and in that speech, king called out what he described as a sort of quasi liberalism based on the principle of looking sympathetically at all sides. quote, a liberalism so bent on seeing all sides, that it fails to becoming committed to either side. it is a liberalism that is so objectively analytical that it is not subjectively committed. a liberalism which is neither hot nor cold, but luke warm. and it's that luke warm liberalism king warned about in 1957 that is infecting our country today. make no mistake about it. senators manchin and sinema are so committed to this, all sides' nonsense, that they're standing idly by as gop lets state legislatures carry out an assault on our democracy and if anyone in this country thinks republicans in congress are going to sign on to a bipartisan watered-down voting rights bill, call me. i have a bridge to sell you. in 2021, georgia was one of the 19 states to pass new voter restriction laws, and now, ahead of the 2022 midterm elections, the states republican-led legislature want to see do it again. the republican leader of the georgia state senate promised to introduce a fresh batch of bills that could go even further than what we saw in 2021. joining me now to discuss this and more, georgia state representative, bee win, also candidate for georgia state. i want to start out by asking your reaction to what went down in washington last week, it was a pretty seismic week if you've been tracking the decline of our democracy. have you given up on federal voting rights action to come in? >> look, and, you know, as soon as we recognize that our voting rights were on the block, having gone through legislative session where two page bill turned into 98 page voter suppression bill with the doors to open the subversion of democracy, we knew it was instrumental to pass federal voting rights protection. we also know here in georgia that kristen sinema and joe manchin have been blocking that effort so i'm not surprised to be in the position we're in but i see the urgency of this, we cannot give up. we cannot let our guard down. the other side of the aisle are nut letting up and as you mentioned earlier, ayman, they're continuing to chop away at our voting rights. republican-led legislature, by simple majority without bipartisan support, so time is of the essence, we can never give up that fight for federal voting rights protection. >> madam representative, let's talk a little about your state for the moment in georgia specifically. those new proposals include eliminating all remaining ballot drop boxes, discarding the state's voting touch-screen machines and creating constitutional amendment to prevent any future possibility of noncitizens voting. what's the probability here that these could become law? >> you know, georgia republicans aren't slowing down on their assault against our democracy. so i think we take every single threat seriously, every single proposal seriously. we know the other side of the aisle is in coordinated effort that is happening across our country both in georgia and other state legislatures. so i don't see republicans slowing down on their efforts because they know that in order for them to install minority rule, they have to proceed with these voter suppression bills. they want to make it harder to vote and a state like georgia, without having any evidence of why to eliminate secure drop boxes widely used by both sides the aisle and used by our governor, because they know georgia is changing. we delivered in 2020, delivered in 2021, have state-wide elections coming up and they know, because they don't have policies that protect georgia, they're going to do everything they can to prevent us to vote in 2022, but setting us up for failure in 2024 by the election subversion laws they continue to push in our state. >> i think a lot of people may have not even known the position of secretary of state and what it does in our elections before 2020, because of what we saw in that race, you know, secretary of state races are getting a lot more attention, a lot more fund raising. in georgia, all the candidates raised more during this cycle than the current secretary of state, brad rappensberger did at this point in 2018. can you talk about the impact, this increased attention had on your campaign so far? >> yeah, so the average person may have not known the name of secretary of states in georgia or other states across our country, but we now know this is a pivotal role. we also know it is not just georgia, it's every swing state. michigan, arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania, georgia, we know republicans are running a concerted, nationalized effort, funded by millions of dollars of dark money trying to install radical right wing republicans who don't believe in the legitimacy of the 2020 election. the front runner on the side endorsed by the former president, jody heis, running, could that be the deciding state for the presidential election in 2024? exactly the kind of candidate showing he's unwilling to certify the will of the people and certify the election. the swing states and georgia are critical safeguard to see our democracy, especially if we're unable to pass federal voting rights protection. >> all right, georgia state representative, bee nguyen, thank you so much for joining us. tuesday, senate is expected to take up voting rights legislation yet again. is there a future for voting rights legislation, let's ask our sunday night panel with us right now, chief correspondent for pbs news hour, also msnbc political contributor, brown, columnist for nbc daily and ceo of new daily project. hayes, how do you see this week playing out for democrats? any hope for chuck schumer to pull this off? >> it was just one of the two, it wasn't just joe manchin or kyrsten sinema standing in the way, there's more leverage chuck schumer and democrats could have against them, but given the two of them, they're so far against everything but the filibuster, until this point, trying to court both of them to pass the build back better act, the giant piece of legislation supposed to be the corner stone of president biden's economic agenda, with that they turned to voting rights, but given how far apart sinema and manchin are on that bill, we can't push too hard on them, otherwise what chance is there of passing build back better act? meanwhile, i feel like the fact that they're going to go through with this, the fact schumer is in least, in theory, going to have this vote getting around the filibuster and trying to pass this bill, forcing manchin and sinema to cast this vote, with it, seems republicans to keep the filibuster in place, that is going to be so damaging to their brands i feel like, one of the main things they are remembered for, when you say their name that's what people are going to remember them for if anything. >> so jeff, just this morning, had mit romney on meet the press senator, saying bill would give the federal government too much power on the elections. let me play with you majority jim clyburn had to say in response. >> i would say to the senator, consult your history. i watched over the years, a bit disturbed. his father, george romney, george romney had a much more, let's say, compassionate view of the world than his son seems to be expressing. >> so pretty personal, pretty sharp words there from the majority, but the question here, jeff, is without filibuster reform, democrats need republicans to pass anything, as hayes just explained on so many other issues. are tensions boiling over now on capitol hill? >> yeah, and i think an important contexteral note to make is this, authority to pass filibuster reform is getting a lot of attention because democrats control the levers of power in washington but you the chief reason voting rights legislation is stalled in the senate is because republicans are in lock step in opposition. in 2006, the last time the voting rights act had to be authorized passed unanimously, every republican senator at the same time voted in favor of it, more than a dozen still there, so the question is why, now, do you have republicans opposing it? it is because republicans have decided to use the cover of donald trump's big lie on suppression and subversion laws and others decided it's not in their political best interest when you have more black and brown voters, when you have more younger voters and when you have more first time voters go to the poll. in georgia, record turn-out turn that state blue for president biden and sent those two democrats to the senate, giving democrats the margin they have now and what resulted from that? we know there was no fraud, but what resulted from that was a host of more stringent election laws making it harder to vote in georgia but also elects partisans into this process, by which the state election board could potentially be under the hospices of the republican state legislature. so what that does is it takes a nonpartisan apolitical electoral process and makes it political so you're finding this political war right now, with laws, numbers expected to grow, at the thinnest of margins trying to make changes and clearly they don't have the power they need to and the votes to get that done right now. >> i know i've probably used this analogy a lot but democrats showing up to a gun fight with a knife because on one hand as jeff was saying there, 19 states, 34 laws restricting voting rights by some measure, you have as we outlined this attempt to buy candidates and supporters of the big lie, to take over positions that allow them to overrun or oversee our elections and possibly turning over the results if they're not satisfied with them. democrats in d.c. are failing time and time again on voting rights legislation. what are you hearing from activists on the ground. i mean, you're doing the work on the ground. what is it they need to get done right now in the absence of filibuster reform? >> well, i think that tuesday's vote is going to be super important. i think there's been a lot of conversation about manchin and sinema and who is and isn't for filibuster reform and whether or not the senators from, you know, connecticut and montana are with us or against us. i think it's time to count noses, right, that we need to, so not just for history's sake, but for the protection of voting rights that we need right now, we need to understand the state of play. so is it 48 senators, is it 45? i think that's super important in this moment. i think that just allowing folks to hide behind manchin and sinema does us no good in this moment. i also think that when i talk to other activists and organizers and ordinary voters and citizens who are deeply concerned about this bloodless coup attempt that we are all witnessing and living through right now, i think there's a general consensus that just because democrats and the president missed their best opportunity to protect our elections doesn't mean it's the only opportunity, so if the vote on tuesday doesn't pass, it does not mean that we can't come back. i don't think we're going to let up. we're not going to shut up about it. i agreed with the president when he was in atlanta on tuesday, being quiet about this. there's no path forward for build back better or any of the other domestic or foreign policy priorities if we're not able to secure a right to vote and ensure that the will of the people is reflected in the results of our elections so guess what? right? if republicans can have 50 votes to try to get rid of the affordable care act, we can definitely have more than one vote to try to protect american elections. >> hayes, democrats, they encounter the same two issues every time and the only reason why i bring this point up, the only reason we talk about senator joe manchin and kristen sinema is because 50 republicans are absolutely no on any kind of meaningful voting rights to reform, but their views haven't changed. is there time for plan b, to maybe win over two other republicans out there? or they just going to absolutely say no way on this? >> i mean, two won't do the trick, i feel like, for something of this nature. two, you have to win them over on getting rid of the filibuster to pass the democratic led bill, that's probably not going to happen. even lisa mercowsky, the only senator on board with john lewis voting rights advancement act, even if she's in favor of getting rid of filibuster to pass that, she won't be for the expanded bill democrats want passed in the senate. no -- joe manchin was given the chance to round votes for the freedom to vote act, which was supposed to be the bill to win over republicans and the for the people act they tried to pass, he was not able to get any republican on that front. so i don't know what kind of slimmed down bill you could pitch to them that would still do the things that need to get done to actually reform voting rights and put a minimum floor, let this bill, put a minimum floor, for what, at the federal level, voting rights are for people as they go to cast their ballots across the country. >> all right, hayes, brown, jeff bennett, thank you so much for joining us this evening, appreciate it. oathkeepers charged with seditious conspiracy, why this is so significant to the january 6 investigation next. but first, richard louie here with the headlines. some of the stories this hour, breaking news update on the texas synagog investigation, senior law enforcement official telling msnbc new two teenagers detained in south manchester in england, sons of malik fazel achram, fbi identified as gunman for the hostage situation. according to this official, suspect was in touch with his sons at some point during the situation on saturday. officials in japan and south korea warning at least one suspected ballistic missile launched from north korea this weekend, this evening rather. fourth rocket volley since the start of january, north korea ramping up tests of new potentially nuclear capable missiles to overwhelm missile defenses in the region. and a tsunami threat following massive volcano eruption on saturday, begun to recede, erupted near the nation of tonga creating solid boom all the way to alaska. more after the break. to alaska. more after the break i'll pick this one up. i earn 3% cash back on dining including takeout with chase freedom unlimited. so, it's not a problem at all. you guys aren't gonna give me the fake bill fight? 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>> there's no question. and that's the whole purpose of this allegation, of this indictment, it reads almost like a guide book or like a map to what happened on january 6 and to why that day became so horrifically violent, it's a miniature look at who people in the justice department alleged planned for this attack, lied at the time, perpetrated on purpose for the political reason of overturning the election outcome. there's so much in this document that is really, really interesting. one thing that i found particularly striking when i was reading over it is it details how rhodes spent $40,000 from december 30th until january 19th on guns, ammunition and other military-related items. that's a lot of money for starters and the indictment doesn't make clear where that money came from, a lot of money in a short period of time. what's particularly interesting is at least half of that 40 grand, rhodes spent after january 6. this seditious -- right -- this conspiracy as laid out in the indictment, doj is presenting it as something that continued after the attack was completed, after the attackers failed to reach their stated goal of blocking the certification of the electoral college and that really draws, helps understand why the capitol building was so millmilitaryized, the level of security at the capitol that day seemed dramatic but the fact you have someone like steward rhodes continuing to stock up on guns and ammunition after this, staying in touch with fellow coconspeareters on efforts to block election results shows officials why to be concerned. it's interesting you see from rhodes attorney, that he would say there is no evidence, because this is the first indictment at all of stewart rhodes, in addition, some of what is laid out here is stuff rhodes said publicly, including people would be in the united states, have military equipment nearby and might take up arms. just because it's stuff that you said publicly, by the way, doesn't mean the doj can't use it in court, and that's something this indictment makes really clear. >> yeah, and you made such, you know, a series of really good valid points there. i did want to go back to this one sound byte of roads speaking on, i believe it was january the 4th or 5th of what he called the nuclear option on steve bannen's show. >> we have men stationed already outside dc as a nuclear option in case they attempt to remove the president illegally, we will stop it, so got good men on the ground already. did recon there last week, sorting out where we'll be staging. inside dc, also outside of dc armed, prepared to go in, if the president calls -- >> that was 2 days before the january 6, him talking about a nuclear option. do we have any idea how far they were willing to take it and what he meant by a nuclear option? >> that's a good question. my assumption, frankly, is that he meant that the plans he detailed there were the plans they would execute and those are the plans they executed. they had weapons stored at, i think the comfort inn in arlington virginia, across the river from dc. had people in washington at the capitol building, also had someone at that comfort inn who was, according to the indictment, texting oathkeepers at the capitol building throughout the day ask if they had instructions, the way the texts are presented it reads like this person in the comfort inn in arlington wanted to know, when do i bring in the weapons, how can i be helpful in this situation? there was very much a lot of organization. look, one of the challenges for people who work in the intelligence space is distinguishing between hyperbole, people just talking big game on the internet and threats, people making deliberate plans to engage in violence. that clip, it's hard to watch that clip and not take it seriously. it's hard to watch it and think this is somebody who is just spouting off the top of his head and being silly. it's deliberate, it sounds sober-minded when he's giving that and has a lot of specifics. the facts law enforcement officials didn't see that and use that as justification to further secure the capitol building is something in retrospect that still boggals the mind. >> and to say trump and his allies to down play this, say oh, we haven't seen seditious conspiracy, insurrection charges, we are now seeing seditious conspiracy, and others -- betsy, thank you so much for joining us this evening. appreciate your time. if you don't know who mo amar is, you'll probably become a fan after tonight, a unique perspective from the palestinian american stand-up comedian and writer and the awkward situation he found himself on a flight to scotland. . brand new. even with these crazy lovebirds. 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what has your journey been like, as a comic during the pandemic? >> well, i was incredibly fortunate, you know, at that time i had my netflix show, i was writing my series at that time, when the pandemic started, over zoom, that was the early experiment of writing. on zoom, i'm not sure if we were first or not because it's close, honestly, and experiencing that was interesting, and having the shows in ohio that had so many amazing stand-up comedians that came through and spending it there for three months, you know, was once-in-a-lifetime experience so my pandemic was very different. aside from the divorce, it was very different. some people had babies, some people got divorced -- >> divorce and covid twice. >> yeah, two-time covid champ, want to give it up. you know, it's a -- it was a scary time, not to make light of it but, you know, a lot of people were affected differently by it of course, so just stay cogniscent of that. but yeah, man, it was, i'm very lucky i got through it twice and i'm vaccinated, like i'm done, i'm over it. >> one of the things i really appreciated, how much you spoke about your personal experience, you started out as arab american following 9/11 you joke about it in your netflix special saying that conversation you were having with your brother that your comedy career was over following the terrorist attacks. you had a funny line in response i don't want to give it away to our viewers because i want them to watch it but you lived through the trump era as a palestinian american and found yourself sitting next to eric trump on the way to scotland, how much has your comedy factored into the story you tell? >> it's a big part of t talking about your personal experiences is so important and molds you to who you are today, so like singing authentic on stage being honest is where it's at, and that eric trump experience keeps following me, man. it happened so long ago but keeps tracking. i don't know when it's going to go away, but eventually it will. i hope it does. just keeps coming back up, but, you know, ironically, the trump era was very good for me not great, you know, the way, there's a lot to get into on how he handled many things and how ridiculous the whole experience was itself, like we're all cast in a reality show that we didn't know we were being, that we didn't, you know, know we were auditioning for, it felt that way to me, but it was very good. you know, i think it was just the timing of it all, spending so much time on my career, doing this for 23 years since i was a little kid so eventually had to level up, right? >> listen, we all needed that comic relief during those four years so we're now on the backend of it and still need the comic relief to some extent. >> the entire four years was the best comedy show on the planet. i would come home and my mom would tell me like, you know, you're not the funniest comedian, i'm like what do you mean, what are you talking about, she's like there's someone way better than you i'm like who? my mom's watching comedy? she says trump. trump is by far the best stand-up comedian on planet earth and i, it's hard to disagree with her. >> yeah, your mom is right on that one. listen, i want to ask you about something i think resonated with a lot of people like myself, people who have, you know, 1 foot in different cultures, both here and in the middle east. you're passionate about being a texan at heart. houston is your hometown, you recently had a day in houston named after you. that's impressive. but you also joke about the divisions in this country and how your neighbor, scott, scott the red neck as you called him, had a lot in common or he was there for you when houston was going through the hurricane and you guys were out of power. i mean, do you think, what do you think about the divisions in this country and how that influences your comedy? >> well, i just wanted to give people a perspective that's never seen on television. that's something very frustrating to me, somebody who's, you know, a houstonian and has an amazing neighbor, he is redneck scott, shout out, what's up, bro. he is, really, one of the biggest rules in islam is like being neighborly, and there's nobody more neighborly than scott. he is so caring, his whole family, and just seeing that experience, you know, it's always like oh, you see this, get the muslims out of here type of energy when the reality is that these relationships exist everywhere and they need to start surfacing more and more and me and show a different side. because i don't think it's fair for both parties, you know, i just, i think it's really important. scott's always been there for me man, that guy is hyper-prepared on any situation possible. guys got generators, welding machines, walked in on him like gutting a deer. >> you struck gold with the -- yeah, i was going to say you struck gold with the neighbor lottery there. it's something we could all use. listen, i wanted to ask u, because i know i mentioned this off the top, you got this new netflix special, got a superhero movie alongside the rock, have your own show a new season of romy coming out, so much going on in your life. what are you most excited about when you look forward to 2022. >> vacation. [ laughter ] you know, be careful what you wish for and dream for. no, it's all really, it's really overwhelming, and i say vacation because it's really going to take that to truly take time to understand what just happened over the last couple years and what i've been building. i mean, i wrote the opening to my series seven years ago. you know, so it's like really sticking to something, believing in yourself and understanding that to build something special takes time. and to never give up on it and understand that it's there for you to be released at a certain point so it's timely and timeless and that's, that's something that's really special. of course i'm looking forward to the rock movie, man, like who is not looking forward, shot to work with "the rock" he's really cool, surprised the audience with a video message and didn't intend to use it in the special but it was his suggestion and i'm like who am i to turn down the rock, you know, part of the deal, part of the deal i have to wear his shirt all the time, you know, that's, the only caveat. so it's okay. >> i love it. our special, thank to see mo amer of course you can catch his new netflix special "mohammed in texas" out now which when we come back, a crisis in afghanistan unfolding, millions facing potentially lifethreatening food insecurity this winter, we'll break down what you need to know about that crisis, next. break down what you need to know about that what you need to know about that crisis, next ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ i'm always up for what's next, even whigher stroke risk due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin i'll go after that. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily or take longer for bleeding to stop. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, or unusual bruising. it may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. the number one cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner. ask your doctor about eliquis. do you take aspirin? plain aspirin could be hurting your stomach. new vazalore is the first liquid-filled aspirin capsule clinically shown to cause fewer ulcers than plain aspirin. vazalore is designed to help protect... releasing aspirin after it leaves your stomach... where it is absorbed to give you the benefits of life saving aspirin... to help prevent another heart attack or stroke. heart protection with your stomach in mind. try new liquid-filled vazalore. aspirin made amazing! real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ it's five months since the u.s. left afghanistan, after a 20 year war, took just weeks for the country to fall into complete economic turmoil and since then, things, as you can imagine, have gone from bad to diabolically worse, the nation facing the worst hunger crisis since records began and according to eight agencies, well over half the country's population are facing hunger. that's more than 22 million people, including 14 million children expected to suffer from malnutrition in this winter. million of those at risk of dying of starvation, and desperate families left to sell anything they have, including their own children, believe it or not, just to get the bear minimum to stay alive. u.n. just launched a fund raising effort, largest ever appeal for a single country, calling for $5 billion in aid this year alone. u.s. announcing this week, they'll pledge an addition $308 million in assistance to funding they're already providing, but the crisis is far from over. the country remains in stranglehold from taliban rule, because united states and others froze assets of the former government held by the u.s. federal reserve, worth about $9 billion. country, cut off from international financial constitutions, bank roll operation in the country now ruled by the taliban. no arguing that the nation remains under illegitimate rule leaving the u.s. with little choice but to issue sanctions for taliban mill military takeover but millions of lives hang in the balance so what's the solution? we'll talk about that next. wha the solution the solution we'll talk about that next ♪ ♪ we gotta tell people that liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need, and we gotta do it fast. 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