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several pence aides have already been cooperating. so far the january 6th committee has interviewed more than 300 witnesses, issuing subpoenas when needed. we're clear where the committee's work is heading, but what about the department of justice? this week attorney general merrick garland vowed to hold, quote, all january 6th perpetrators at any level accountable for the assault on our democracy. however, it is unclear just how far reaching the justice department investigation is. we know the department has indicted more than 700 people for their roles during the riot, but what about the broader attack on the election from trump and from those around him? since the 2020 election we have learned and even heard trump pressure georgia secretary of state find votes to overturn biden's victory in the state. and then there was the six-step plan on how pence could overturn the results. trump asked top justice department officials to declare the election corrupt and, quote, leave the rest to him and his allies in congress. so why hasn't the department of justice called this a criminal conspiracy? responding to garland's speech wednesday, constitutional law professor laurence tribe arguing the doj not going far enough. >> i heard absolutely nothing, nothing about the larger plot to overturn the election. that was not january 6th. january 3rd was the date on which the president, then-president, twisted the arm of raffensperger. late december he was doing things with people like jeffrey clark. you don't work your way up from the people who smashed windows to the arm twisting, which itself violated federal law and was part of a better plot. >> the pace of efforts to hold trump accountable led to this criticism from arizona congressman ruben gallego this week. >> i think merrick garland has been extremely weak, and i think there should be a lot more of the organizers of january 6th that should be arrested by now. the problem that we have right now is that we have a very obstructionist republican party that should be part of helping us decide how to save democracy instead of trying to cover up for their crimes, and you have, again, an attorney general who is, you know, feckless and has not been helpful in terms of preserving our democracy. >> joining us now to discuss the justice department's role in investigating the attempted coup, "new york times" columnist and msnbc analyst michelle goldberg, "washington post" opinion columnist and msnbc political analyst, jennifer ruben, and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade, also cohost of the #sistersinlaw podcast. barb, i want you to listen to peter navarro this week on msnbc speaking pretty openly about the plot to overturn biden's victory. here we go. >> we had over 100 congressmen and senators on capitol hill ready to implement the sweep. the sweep was simply that. we were going to challenge the results of the election in the six battleground states. basically these were the places where we believed that if the votes were sent back to those battleground states and looked at again that there would be enough concern amongst legislatures that most or all those states would decertify the election. that would throw the election to the house of representatives. >> you just described this plan as a way to take an election where the outcome was established by independent secretaries of state, by the voters of those states, and legal remedies have been exhausted with the supreme court never even taking, let alone siding with any of the claims you just referred to. so legally they went nowhere. and then you're describing -- >> i object to that. >> hold on. hold on. you had your turn. i just let you go for a while. you will get your turn, sir. let's go back and forth, sir. then you will use the incumbent losing party's power, that was the republican party that was losing power, to overtake and reverse that outcome. do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. i totally reject many of your premises there. >> barb, his words combined with every other fact revealed in the past year, does this meet the definition of a criminal conspiracy? >> well, i think it sure meets the smell test of a criminal conspiracy, but the part that is essential here and perhaps the reason that peter navarro refused to go there is an intent to defraud or a corrupt mind-set. and so if they believe that there really was fraud, then this is just a political strategy. and that will be their argument, just like some of the other elections we've seen in history where they had to throw it to the house of representatives because the ballots were too close or were contested. but that is what requires an investigation by the justice department because, as we heard ari mention there as he probed further, we've already had courts deciding lawsuits saying that there is no evidence of any fraud. so in the absence of fraud, when people continue to say fraud, at some point you have to know that there is no fraud. and so that intent is what is essential to be proved. now, it may take time to do that, and i think that is where the frustration comes in where the public is waiting for the justice department to develop that evidence. >> jennifer, you wrote about the need for merrick garland to be more explicit about the nonviolent elements of the coup attempt. lay out why you believe doing that is critical for the american people. >> well, i think there has been this great question as to whether trump and the people who were involved well before january 6th committed criminal acts. and although the attorney general, no prosecutor, really, wants to reveal who the suspects are, what the specific charges are, i don't think there's anything that prohibits him from talking about the set of facts that he is examining. and although he dropped some perhaps hints, winks that you could go back and comb through the bread crumbs to see that maybe he wasn't exactly ruling out pre-january 6th conduct, he sure didn't describe it. and that is troubling. and there may be times where even the existence of a crime is unknown. here the american people know what a set of facts are. we also know that there's a state prosecutor in georgia who is looking at the specific telephone call to brad raffensperger. we know of the investigation into really arm-twisting at the justice department. and i don't think there's anything that prohibits him from saying he's looking at the totally of facts. i would have at least liked to have heard that from him. and i think that would have provided some comfort that he is not simply implicitly deciding to ignore a whole set of facts that could either make as barb said for a criminal conspiracy or simply an obstruction of congress. and liz cheney has analogized and mentioned that statute that talks about the corrupt attempt to interfere with congress' vote-counting o process. i would like them to be more explicit, but the proof will be in the pudding. let's see where he goes and whether he is, in fact, going to write up a whole series of facts that are very deeply troubling to the american people. >> michelle, as you well know, time is of the essence here. what are going to be the consequences of trump if his inner circle are not held accountable? >> well, look, i think that they are putting in -- they laid outlet a road map for how you think -- how they think an election can be overturned. and one of the reasons they weren't able to do it was because many of the republican bureaucrats, many of the republican officials, you know, people like secretary of state brad raffensperger in georgia, officials in all these states did their job. they refused to go along with this arm-twisting to throw out the votes. i can't remember the precise number of votes that trump asked them to find in georgia, but, you know, rather than do it, they taped the conversation and made sure that the public could hear it. i think what we're seeing now is all those officials who were patriotic, who did heed to the rueful, being systemically replaced by people who did buy into the big lie. so next time around it's very hard to imagine if trump or, frankly, any republican runs, it's hard to imagine any republican in 2024 conceding to the peaceful election of a democratic president. they're going to claim there was fraud and there's going to be a huge amount of pressure on republican legislatures to supersede any slate of votes for democrats. and the people in those legislatures are increasingly people who are on board with that strategy. >> barb, we talked about a.g. garland. i think we all understand the trip wires that he is up against, or at least them as he perceives them. he's working to rebuild the public's trust in the doj. he knows this country's politics, and so the question is, how can he oversee a case like this do so firmly, fairly, publicly, without any appearance of partisan politics? how does he do that? >> i think the speech that he gave the other day was an effort to do that. no doubt he's getting a lot of pressure from all kinds of sources to say you got to get out there and tell people what's going on. people are afraid you're asleep at the switch. on the other hand, as you indicate, one of the reasons he was selected for this job is to restore public confidence in the independence of the justice department. and so i think he mentioned watergate in his remarks, about how important it was in the years after watergate to restore that trust, and i think he sees himself as being in another one of those moments where that's a very big and important part of its mission, but also recognizing that an important part of his mission is to hold people accountable. what i'd like to see him do is frequently speak to the public about what is happening. his predecessor after watergate, edward leavy, was someone who spoke frequently to members of the public to say here's what we're about, here's what we're doing. it creates a vacuum and people will fill in their own narratives about what's going on. although there's lots he can't say, there's plenty he can say in talking about not just the january 6th attack, but the threats we're seeing against local officials and the assaults on voting rights, which he talked about in the same speech. i think that was so important to talk about. he gets that it's an assault on democracy and it's much bigger than simply what happened on one day on capitol hill. >> jennifer, turning to the january 6th committee, what do you make of the committee's move to hear from mike pence? >> well, i think they're obligated to do so. even if they don't get some of these very prominent top players, they have a wealth of information from all sorts of people, people on mike pence's staff who were witnesses, they have thousands upon thousands of documents. so of course we want to hear it right from the lips of the people who were directly involved. but, frankly, those witnesses should be very careful because they already have a huge amount of evidence that is really going to constrain them to stick close to the facts if they're going to cooperate and testify. now, mike pence is in perhaps a much more difficult situation to wriggle out of this than trump's allies because most of those will take the fifth amendment. we've already seen that. mike pence didn't do anything illegal. no one is coming after him. so what's his excuse going to be? he's going to have to try to trot out if he doesn't want to cooperate this sort of executive privilege excuse. and we get right back to the problem that's already been litigated at the supreme court, that the current president is the president, he's already waived this privilege, and these people need to cooperate. so i think we're going to get into some very tense legal battles. but i also think that even if the committee is not successful in getting every single one of these witnesses, they have a huge amount of evidence, and they are going to have public hearings. bennie thompson, the chairman of the committee, indicated we're going to find prime time hearings and we're going to have them lay out sequentially. critical so that republicans can no longer simply brush this aside and easily sidestep their own responsibility for what's going on. >> michelle, i got a minute left. your final thoughts? >> i think that what the hearings are going to have to do is make it really clear to the american people the connection between the plot that peter navarro talked about and the storming of the capitol. i'm not sure right now that people understand that there was -- that the storming of the capitol served the purpose of furthering that plot of buying them time, that there was people around the president who thought that if they stopped the counting, there was a mechanism for overturning joe biden's election. and so i think, again, tying those things together so that people understand this wasn't just a riot but it really was a coup attempt is going to be critical the committee's work. >> michelle, jennifer, barb, thank you all so much for getting us started. still to come, american mayors, democrats and republicans alike, taking a stand demanding the senate step up to protect voting rights. not soon, but now. two of those mayors on what is at stake after the break. later, perspective or propaganda? 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>> well, you know, as a mayor, we don't have a lot of control about the voting rights of individuals. that control is typically taken away from us and given to the states and given to the federal government. i'm concerned when the votes for in my city's rights are suppressed or limited because of actions taken by the state. and all i really want to do is to ensure that every eligible voter has an opportunity to have their voice heard. and signing onto this letter was an opportunity for me and other mayors to do just that, is to help pressure congress to do the right thing and ensure that states aren't able to suppress voters. >> every voter should be able to vote. that shouldn't be a controversial thing to say, yet we are living in a moment where it is. as we noted, reforming the filibuster might be the only way to get these laws passed. what is your message to senators who are in the no column right now? >> thank you for having me, alicia. it's an honor to be here with mayor ross. this is not a test. our democracy is in peril, and voting and the right to vote in this country is one of the pillars of our democracy and we have to protect it. both mayor ross and i represent states -- cities that are in states that have done much damage already to the rights of our constituents to vote. and so it's very important that the senators here in arizona, both senator sinema and senator kelly support voting rights legislation and do everything they possibly can, including doing a carveout in the filibuster to pass these voting rights bills. we already are seeing bills being submitted in the state legislature. the state legislature here in arizona has already passed three or four bills that limit the right of my constituents to vote, and it is already happening. the state legislature starts next monday, and we are already seeing bills filed to further diminish the ability for arizonans to vote. so this is not a test. there is a candidate for secretary of state that was at the january 6th insurrection. if he would have been the secretary of state in 2020, it would have been catastrophic for our democracy. so as an elector for the 2020 election and being able to have seen both a republican governor sign and certify the elections of 2020, as well as the secretary of state, it is devastating to see republicans, you know, throughout the country, especially in the senate trying to block what is as american as apple pie, which is the right of every citizen to have their vote counted. >> it strikes me, mayor ross, we're talking about texas, we're talking about arizona. you are living through sort of the front lines of this. the new state laws passed last year in texas has the most restrictive, sb1. the doj has sued over the newly drawn congressional map saying they disadvantage voters of color. talk to us about your community. take us inside your community. are your constituents worried about their own ability to vote? >> they most certainly are. i'll be honest with you. for me, this is not about what's red and what's blue. this is about what's right. people who are eligible to vote should be able to vote. whether it is the democrats or the republicans who try to restrict certain persons' access to the polls to either get power or maintain power, it is wrong. it's not about partisan politics. it's about what's constitutionally guaranteed to our citizens to be able to vote. all i want to do, all that the other 151 mayors want to do is to ensure our constituents have the right and the ability to cast their vote without states taking unnecessary suppressive measures to either maintain or get power. the partisanship has to stop. you know, the mayors aren't having a difficult time working together to get things done in our community. i'd love to see congress take a note from the mayors and start working together. what happened to the day when ronald reagan and tip o'neill could disagree, they could have a scotch and come out with a compromise? it doesn't happen anymore, and it's sad that this country has gotten to that point. >> mayors jim ross, regina romero, thank you both. next, the power of lies. senator ted cruz told the truth about january 6th and was just forced to eat crow on live tv, revealing just how powerful fox news is in republican politics. the danger of that. and later, could build back better make a comeback? congressman jamaal bowman says it is a must. he's here to explain why. risk . descovy for prep. a once-daily prescription medicine... ...that helps lower the chances of getting hiv through sex. it's not for everyone. descovy for prep has not been studied in people assigned female at birth. talk to your doctor to find out if it's right for you. descovy is another way to prep. descovy does not prevent other sexually transmitted infections, so it's important to use safer sex practices and get tested regularly. you must be hiv-negative to take descovy for prep. so, you need to get tested for hiv immediately before and at least every 3 months while taking it. if you think you were exposed to hiv or have flu-like symptoms, tell your doctor right away. they may check to confirm you are still hiv-negative. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a build-up of lactic acid and liver problems. the most common side effect was diarrhea. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking descovy without talking to your doctor. ask your doctor about your risk of hiv... ...and if descovy for prep is right for you. get help paying for descovy for prep. learn more at stepupprepup.com. why give your family just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? 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(all) to screening! the hottest dance move of 2022 isn't whatever the tweens are doing on tiktok. no, it is republican two-step. republican lawmakers says something they believe then immediately back tracks out of fear of donald trump and the right-wing machine that have been fashioned in his image. this latest example comes from texas senator ted cruz. on wednesday he had this to say during an oversight hearing into capitol police. >> we are approaching a solemn anniversary this week, and it is an anniversary of a violent terrorist attack on the capitol where we saw the men and women of law enforcement demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery, risk their lives to defend the men and women who serve in this capitol. >> but following a day of sharp criticism from republican trolls on twitter and fox news, senator cruz felt the need to apologize. >> the way i phrased things yesterday, it was sloppy and it was, frankly, dumb. >> i don't buy that. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. i don't buy that. i've known you a long time since before you went to the senate. you were a supreme court contender. you take words as seriously as any man who's ever served in the senate, and every word -- you repeated that phrase. i do not believe that you used that accidentally. i just don't. >> so tucker, as a result of my sloppy rephrasing, it's caused a lot of people to misunderstand what i meant. >> that was not a one-off. following the insurrection, senator cruz called the attack, quote, a despicable act of terrorism and a shocking assault on our democratic system. a month later, cruz released another statement writing, quote, as i said repeatedly, what we saw on january 6th was a despicable terrorist attack. he also released a statement in may once again doubling down, calling the riot a, quote, terrorist attack. so why is senator cruz now forced to walk this political tight rope, downplaying his repeated comments? this analysis of a new "washington post" poll finds most americans describe the rioters as mostly violent. the republicans are more likely to say that they were mostly peaceful. there's also this divide between republicans who watch fox news and republicans who don't. the post goes on to write, fox news republicans are 15 points more likely to say the rioters were mostly peaceful and others 16 points more likely to say they were mostly violent. this is why republicans like ted cruz must dow down to fox news which operates as a propaganda machine for the party of trump. in recent revelations from the january 6th committee, it shows the role fox news plays in american politics. on tuesday, the nonpartisan committee revealed text messages between fox news host sean hannity and the trump white house shortly before the insurrection. the panel requested cooperation with hannity saying he had advanced knowledge of the planning for january 6th. if you know a republican who only watches fox, they might even know about this new development. 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because peace of mind is something you just can't get in a cardboard box. that's how healthier happens together with cvs. time, again, to raise the alarm about the danger of selling lies as journalism. we know the 1/6 committee reeled texts from fox news hosts sent to the trump administration as the riot unfolded. but now fox is apparently so powerful that it now has a sitting senator back tracking and apologizing for calling the capitol a terrorist attack. joining us now to discuss the president of media matters, angelo carusone. angelo, thank you so much for being with us. listen, this is your bread and butter. this is what you do day in, day out. so when i saw this, i needed to know what you thought about why this unfolded the way it did, what it tells us about fox news, and what it tells us about the state of the republican party. >> there's a lot there. and i would just say there's one thing that's really important, it's that one of ted cruz's penances wasn't that he had to backtrack. during that same segment he also endorsed and started to carry water for tucker carlson's conspiracy theory that the attack on january 6th was actually fbi orchestrated false flag operation. that happened in that exact interview as well, and that was ted cruz' way of getting tucker and the audience to believe them. it illustrates a lot of things, that fox is the nexus of power. they were able to start carrying water for fox news' narrative. and that's where the power really comes from. and i would describe it, i would say say it's unrivaled agenda-setting power. that was their purpose. they were born as a political operation. that was the entire theory behind fox news. sure, they make a bunch of money on the side, but that isn't the goal. the goal really is political power, and the ted cruz thing is just an example of it. >> the reason i was so struck by this, you know, is we always come back to this question of who is a trusting messenger, who could be the person to say the election was fair and true and we have to believe this vote count and we have to move on, and what happens on january 6th was an attack on american democracy and here's the path forward. when you see someone who attempts to do that even for a fleeting second, then taken down so quickly, it diminishes hope that there's even a possibility that there can be that messenger because the other side is clearly so powerful. >> yes, it does. it actually does diminish that hope because we actually need fox. just imagine covid and the way that the country responded to a public health crisis, not a political question, but a public health crisis, and fox news didn't begin by calling covid a hoax. then promotes for two months a fantasy treatment of hydroxychloroquine, and then the remaining summer downplaying the threat of the virus, and then now, of course, their antagonism toward vaccinations. it would be a different response, right? and that just illustrates to your point how depressing it can be sometimes. that doesn't mean we're stuck with it. i think part of it is the media and public has been slow to react because we value free speech and they exploit that. they exploit one of the american values, that we care about freedom of compression and ideas. that means they exploit that to get away with accountability. so so many have said, well, they get to have their opinions and their take, but what the result of that is we ignore their destructive inputs. as a result of that, then the accountability and consequences needed to diminish and delude what that instructive potential really is. members of congress that can't support joe biden as president, ted cruz is an anomaly on fox news, not the norm when it comes to who they host and who they promote. if you think about that in the context of his political aspiration -- and he's not the only one, he can't run for president if fox news ices him out. it's a deal-breaker, forget about it. there's no chance. that gets to an important part of this discussion, which is that we're going to have to recognize the threat and then start to take more serious concerted efforts to hold them accountable and force change. >> i have about 30 seconds left, but i want to loop back to what struck you wasn't the fact that ted cruz apologized, but then he was forced to carry water for this conspiracy theory. what does it tell you that a year out they are feeling the need to complicate and lighten the lies they already put out there? >> yeah. this is exactly how they're going to retain their power. it says a lot about what this means for the future because i said they were unrivaled. and the reason they are unrivaled is because limbaugh is not around anymore and the rest of the right-wing media is fragmented. fox responded by picking up crazy things from the fever swamps, things that wouldn't have made fox news five years ago and they're actively now promoting them on the channel. the fbi false flag thing is one of these examples. that means more stuff coming from what otherwise would have been the fringes that never would have seen the light of day, and so the fact that they're going to turn people like ted cruz into validators is quite bad. next, we'll talk build back better with congressman jamaal bowman of new york. he'll join me next. stay with us. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette [ sneeze ] are you ok? oh, it's just a cold. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. unlike other cold medicines, coricidin provides powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure be there for life's best moments with coricidin. now in sugar free liquid. okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition for strength and energy. woo hoo! ensure, complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitamins and minerals. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪ as a professional bull-rider i'm used to taking chances. but when it comes to my insurance i don't. i use liberty mutual, they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. wooo, yeaa, woooooo and, by switching you could even save 665 dollars. hey tex, can someone else get a turn? 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>> i think it ought to happen because he is just out of control. and i don't know that he knows what he's doing. >> with republicans clearly more interested in outcompeting each other on this week's episode of "who wants to be a provocateur." than, you know, actually legislating, is that an opening for democrats heading into the mid-terms? joining me is congressman jamaal bowman of new york. congressman, thank you so much for your time. talk to me about build back better and why it is critical. we know why it is critical for the american economy. we know why it is critical for american families. talk to me, though, about the politics and the urgency of getting this done now. >> well, build back better is all about equity. it's equitably distributing resources to communities that have been historically marginalized and equitably focused on areas where once we build these areas up, we can finally realize the third leg of biden's agenda. we're talking about universal pre-k, which as a former educator, as you know, would be a game changer for this country. we're talking about finally investing in public housing. there's public housing in my district. i have four separate areas of public housing that are completely rodent infested and there are so many upper respiratory illnesses associated with that because been defunding housing over the last 30 years. investing in climate. lowering prescription drug costs, a game changer for women, people of color, seniors and children, and it will finally realize the country we are supposed to be, which is a robust, vibrant, multiracial democracy and this is why this was a major component of the president's plan. so it's time for democrats to take the bull by the horns and get this done, get voting rights done, and really lead for the american people because, as you've displayed, the republican party is not a party of truth, it's not a party of leadership and our country should not be voting for republicans at this time. >> congressman, what do you see as the biggest obstacle to getting build back better done? >> you know, i think there is some questions about around, well, is this going to be, you know, is this going to contribute to inflation, is this going to, you know, stop us from being competitive against countries like china. i think what we've seen with regard to inflation is we see some price-gouging going on and we see some issues related to covid causing inflation. it is not because people had more money in their pockets. when we give people the opportunity to save on housing, save on childcare, to save in other areas, they invest. they spend that money and they invest in themselves, invest in their children, and cash know flow through the economy is what makes the economy healthy, but the biggest thing it gives people is it gives people hope. it helps them to believe again in government delivering for them. and, unfortunately, because of the last five years, you know, because of the big lie and what the republican party has done, people have lost even more faith in government and working for them. so we again, as democrats, under a big tent with our diverse opinions have to come together to get these things done right now to build a better country than we've ever had before. >> when you talk about taking the bulls by the horn, you talk about build back better and you are talking about voting rights. i want to make sure we get to that thursday before the president made his january 6th speech he met with civil rights leaders according to a lot of reporting many were actually pleasantly surprised the administration seemed to be on the same page as far as the urgency of this situation. do you share that same sense? >> oh, absolutely. we can't build back better without getting voting rights done. we can't heal as a nation both from january 6th, but also from covid and the former president without getting voting rights done. there are multiple things we have to get done. you know, the house has done its job. we've sent over immigration reform legislation, voting rights reform legislation, women's reproductive health legislation, common sense gun laws, george floyd justice in policing. we've sent these bills over to the senate so the senate can move them. and even though they are popular across the country, the senate hasn't moved with the urgency that it has needed to. hopefully, now in 2022 as we endure another rise from covid we get these things done in the senate, regain the trust of the majority of the american people, maintain the house and the senate and maintain the white house going forward. we cannot turn the majority over to the republicans. >> congressman jamaal bowman, thank you for your time. next honoring a giant of the united states senate. first, a preview. we'll be right back. vy is a com, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. ♪♪ if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ when our daughter and her kids moved in with us... our bargain detergent couldn't keep up. turns out it's mostly water. so, we switched back to tide. one wash, stains are gone. 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