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cdc, and she's been pressed after the decision to relax isolation guidelines just as covid cases hit record numbers. the question is did she provide assurance that the agency can, in fact, be trusted? and fully vaccinated. it's currently defined as two doses of either pfizer or moderna vaccines or one dose of the j&j. the question, is it now time to redefine that term? and ghislaine maxwell, convicted of sex trafficking for her role in recruiting teenage girls for jeffrey epstein. the question this morning, is the case closed? it's "way too early" for this. ♪♪ good morning and welcome to "way too early," the show that is really ready to close out 2021. i'm jonathan lemire on this thursday, december 30th, the penultimate day of the year. we'll start with the news. ghislaine maxwell will likely spend the rest of her life behind bars after she was found guilty of five sex trafficking charges. nbc news correspondent ron allen has all the details. >> reporter: after six days of deliberation, the jury found ghislaine maxwell guilty of five charges including sex trafficking which carries up to 40 years behind bars. >> the road to justice has been far too long, but today just his has been done. >> reporter: throughout the trial the prosecution calling two dozen witnesses, four women saying they were recruited, groomed, and sexually abeauted by epstein. they say he was able to sexually abuse young girls because maxwell was the key to the whole operation. she lived with him for years and was even referred to as the lady of the house. prosecutors showed pictures tying them together for years. maxwell received more than $30 million from epstein during the years her alleged crimes were committed. epstein took his own life behind bars in 2019, but his presence looming over the courtroom. the defense reminded the jury to separate maxwell from the disgraced financier saying ghislaine maxwell is not jeffrey epstein, adding she's been tried for being with jeffrey epstein. maybe that was the biggest mistake of her life, but that is not a crime. she could spend the rest of her life in prison. >> our thanks to nbc's ron allen for that report. joining us now, nbc legal analyst and friend of the show, danny cevallos. good morning, danny. thanks so much for being here today. this is an extraordinary spotlight on this trial. the jury deliberated a little longer than some people expected. let me start with a simple question. were you at all surprised by what they ruled? >> no, i was not. this is a case where the federal government does not normally lose. they have a conviction rate of over 90%. when they bring a case, it's usually ready to go. i was a little surprised at the length of deliberations, but at the same time, keep in mind, this was never a layup for the government in that they were prosecuting crimes that happened in the early '90s. i was in high school back then, and i'm certainly not young. so thinking about reconstructing what happened in the early to mid '90s today was a challenge for the government when most of the case rested on the credibility of accusers who took the stand and had to struggle with memories of traumatic events from so long ago. >> danny, you seem very youthful to me. the jury did find maxwell not guilty on one of the counts. explain why you think that happened. >> yeah. count 2, entightment. there you see it, not guilty, but guilty of the conspiracy to entice. you don't need to find the defendant guilty of the underlying crime to find them guilty of agreeing to commit that crime. conspiracy is called an incomplete crime. but they may have concluded that number one, jane, the accuser who testified, they may have found her not credible for whatever reason, or they may have found the enticement was ontario incidental. the intent was only incidental to the sexual assault. that maxwell didn't have the specific intent to entice her for the purpose of kmigt a sex crime. so that could have been what they struggled with as well in finding her not guilty of count 2, but guilty on every other count. >> unsurprisingly, maxwell's attorneys say they'll appeal. what strategy do you think they'll use in the future legal matters here? >> the most common appeal would be something like jury instructions. it's the best chance for appeal. you may also see appeals based on evidence that came in. look for the defense to challenge the age of the evidence, the staleness of it so to speak. but any number of things you can see that they will at least appeal on. but the challenge is that an appeals court doesn't look at the faxual evidence with fresh eyes. they really only look to see if there's been an abuse of discretion by the trial court. that's a very difficult standard to meet, and most appeals statistically are not likely to succeed. >> danny cevallos, happy new year to you. we'll certainly see you in early 2022. thanks for being here today. the united states broke its record for new daily covid cases for a second day in a row. according to data from "the new york times," more than 488,000 new cases were reported yesterday, bringing the seven-day average to 301,000. those are huge numbers. officials say the numbers may actually be higher than reported as fewer people were tested over the holiday. also people testing at home may not report their tests. rates of hospitalization are rising due to the omicron variant. more than 2,000 hospitalizations in maryland and 500 in the nation's capital. the cdc is cutting the isolation time for asymptomatic for people who tested positive. it was cut from ten days to five days. yesterday on "morning joe" the question was asked. >> in those recommendations we do not recommend a test for several reasons. first, we know the pcr test can stay positive for 12 weeks. if you were waiting for a negative pcr, you'd be waiting for months. in terms of antigen dwoerjts know how the tests will perform, whether they can predict whether you can transmit virus or not. >> in another interview on cnn, roy lenky said the new guidelines, quote, really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate. there's also a debate over what it means to be, quote, fully vaccinated and whether that term should include a booster. two officials tell "the new york times" the biden administration is considering scrapping the term and replacing it with language that reflects vaccinations. it should be, quote, up to date. as "the times" notes, redefining wait means to be fully vaccinated will surely incite political backlash. tens of millions who consider themselves vaccinated, without boosters could lose access to restaurants, offices, concerts, events, gatherings, any place where proof of vaccination is required. joining us now to talk about this, reporter for "the washington post," eugene scott. eugene, great to see you. we're glad you're here. there's a record number of covid cases in the u.s., almost hard to get our heads around, the sheer size of the infections that are across the country right now, nearing half a million. the biden administration, the president has said it candidly. he's said it publicly he knows they have to control it and bring it to an eventual end. how are they being judged right now? how worried is the biden administration at the case numbers? >> significantly because this is not where the white house wanted us to be at this point in the year, and there's great frustration among the american population of what is happening, the ongoing changes in terms of what it means to be vaccinated, how inconsistent so many organizations and companies are as you move from state to state in terms of what is allowed and what's require and how to move forward, and so getting on the same page and having a consistent message has been a really difficult task for many in the biden administration to accomplish, and it's showing everywhere you look. >> yeah. i mean, let's be candid. the director of the cdc did a round of interviews yesterday and really didn't have answered as to why a negative test was required to end isolation. that's leading to speculation. it's in part because there aren't enough tests to go around, for people to take it and get out of it. there seems to be no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of when they get to end their status in isolation. now let's get to booster shots frchl what we just read, it seems like a third shot is going to be required to be fully vaccinated. what kind of backlash do you expect from that and how do you handle people with religious exemptions trying to get out of it? >> i was speaking with people who are frustrated over the requirements are constantly changing, which to some degree is expected and norm as as scientists learn more and more about the virus. people were hoping to check a box and move forward and have some sense of security that they were responding to the pandemic in the healthiest way possible are feeling unsettled, anxious, and whether or not there's anything they can do to actually move forward to a place of comfort. you're seeing religious organizations or people associated with them raise more questions, wondering what is best for their health and how this conflicts with their values. not many of those questions are being answered, they feel, from their political leaders and even religious leaders. so people are heading into 2022 with a number of anxieties that people with power were hoping would not exist at this point by the end of the year. >> you nailed that. i think there's also a sense of just real frustration, almost a despondency as we turn to 2022 with no real end in sight. eugene scott of "the washington post." still ahead, amid high tensions in the ukraine, president biden is set to hold another phone call with vladimir putin supreme court is asked to remain. when we come back, a look at the weather predawn at the united states capitol. edawn at the uni states capitol i've lost count of how many asthma attacks i've had. but my nunormal with nucala? 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>> it's a bit of a bleak picture right now especially where the surge has already hit. we are quite overwhelmed in general, and it's a combination of patients who are very sick from covid, patients who are sick with covid, so they have other diseases they're coming in with, and then we have huge staffing shortages. that's really straining what we can do. people are talking about waiting in the emergency room for 12, 16 hours waiting for a bed. that has been there for quite a while. it's not much longer than that. people are waiting much longer to be seen by a physician. and i think the public is very frustrated. they're trying to get tested, they're trying to stay safe, and they're not able to stay safe. the home tests are very effective, very useful in knowing whether you are able to spread to others. people want that access. people are coming to the emergency department to try to get tested, and we don't have the volume, the capability of seeing everybody who's coming to see us. >> doctor, how many of those patients you're seeing are unvaccinated? >> when we look at patients who need to be hospitalized or go to the icu, it's almost all who are unvaccinated. i haven't seen anyone who's vaccinated that has had to be admitted to the hospital. so not even those being boosted, just primary vaccines. the patients who are really sick, need going to the hospital or icu, they're almost all unvaccinated. >> we've talked a lot on this show about kids getting back to classrooms when the holiday ends, new york city, specifically. let's talk about colleges. they just implemented a travel ban which will not allow students to leave campus once the new semester starts. what do you make of that measure, does that seem wise, and what hope do you give to college students hoping to return to in-person classrooms next month? >> i think these are the kinds of things we need to see in order to try to keep kids in school. these are college kids. if we want to keep them live in classes, not have these enormous outbreaks that came right before winter break, then we do need to institute keeping people in one place, reducing spread, reducing their access or exposure to others. and having testing policies is extremely useful, especially when you're screening a population and saying you're going to do tests regularly to see if there's a spike in cases. we need to put students at the front of those who need to be coming in live. that should be our priority, and everything else should come around that. in communities where they're closing schools and keeping bars open is nonsensical. schools open first, they should be closed last. that should be our priority. >> i couldn't agree with you more. thank you for being on the show. good look out there. earlier we asked you why you're awake. brad is retiring after 42 years. congratulations. gene, what do you have there? >> room for all the food when it's already full from christmas left overs. >> ginger, that seems to be a good question to have. >> amy is up because she's trying to change her flights back to france after our first flight for friday morning was cancelled. melissa e-mails this, i am up way too early because i have been covering for someone at work all week. my new year's resolution is to try to have a better work life balance. >> sending cards to family and friends and working on their posture. i will note this, a lot of the e-mails and tweets we are seeing are people infected with coronavirus or waiting for a test or bringing a loved one for a test. best of luck, we hope for a healthy 2022. a major impact for professional sports. ghislane maxwell has been found guilty. also ahead, nbc news chief correspondent, richard engel will weigh in on the implications on today's phone call between vladimir putin and president biden. 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the canadian government does not make the exceptions for the 17 who play there. >> that's a big question, john. we have seen what's happening in the league so far where the instruction has been put in place because canada is so much stricter of who can go where with covid. what's interesting is you are seeing more and more players kind of push back on this idea speaking of flyers, kevin hayes was in the protocol for a while and said just yesterday, i don't mean to make a light of covid anyway but my symptoms are not that bad. you are seeing more and more athletes surprise, not surprise but just kind of tired of this. wanting to play and if they are not experiencing symptoms, duowe really need to delay things. you see players speaking out, how are they going to handle this. i think the nhl has been kind of last in terms of pushing forward of opening things up among the major sports league in america. >> nhl and the nfl and nba, they have access to tests all the time and we are still seeing outbreak there which is reflective of how the prevalent is. what sort of concerns do the virus threaten the competitive balance of the league as playoffs approach? >> there is a lot of concerns. it comes back to what we are talking about moments ago. player in the league questioning is it necessary for us to be out of games. here in philadelphia, the washington football team played the eagles and washington had 23 players in the covid protocol. 21 of them according to the nfl were asome tom -- asymptomatic. that's disconnect of how prevalent the virus now and how many people testing positive verses the severity athletes of those who are suffering from it. >> the nfl has been willing to move some games a little bit. we have seen games rescheduled to monday and tuesday. have they give any sense of previews, what they may do come playoff time? would they move games particularly since those days of rest are so precious. >> you have seen the direction they're going to move when they move inaccordance to the cdc guidelines. >> you mention these leagues according to them have 90 or 95% of their players are vaccinated. carson wentz said he was not vaccinated, he just tested positive and his time frame of isolation drops like everybody els. the nfl is trying to keep covid in its most benign form from derailing the entire season and raising safety concerns you are talking about because of the time between games is so important. >> right. certainly it will be interesting to watch the unvaccinated. mike, thank you for being here and happy new year to you. let me just say to all of you. thank you for waking up way too early with us on thursday morning. this is our final show of the year. i want to offer sincere thanks everyone who works on it. we could not do it without them and of course thanks all of you for watching each and every morning. we can't wait to take on 2022 with you. that's all for us, "morning joe" starts right now. we'll see you monday. >> as you noel, the cdc has been criticized for mix messaging throughout the course of the pandemic whether on masks or boosters. why should americans trust the cdc? >> my job right now is to take all the science and the information that we have and to deliver guidance and recommendations to the american people that's adapted to the science at hand. this pandemic has given us a lot of new and updated science over the last two years and it's my job to convey that science through those recommendations and that's exactly we are doing. >> thi

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cdc, and she's been pressed after the decision to relax isolation guidelines just as covid cases hit record numbers. the question is did she provide assurance that the agency can, in fact, be trusted? and fully vaccinated. it's currently defined as two doses of either pfizer or moderna vaccines or one dose of the j&j. the question, is it now time to redefine that term? and ghislaine maxwell, convicted of sex trafficking for her role in recruiting teenage girls for jeffrey epstein. the question this morning, is the case closed? it's "way too early" for this. ♪♪ good morning and welcome to "way too early," the show that is really ready to close out 2021. i'm jonathan lemire on this thursday, december 30th, the penultimate day of the year. we'll start with the news. ghislaine maxwell will likely spend the rest of her life behind bars after she was found guilty of five sex trafficking charges. nbc news correspondent ron allen has all the details. >> reporter: after six days of deliberation, the jury found ghislaine maxwell guilty of five charges including sex trafficking which carries up to 40 years behind bars. >> the road to justice has been far too long, but today just his has been done. >> reporter: throughout the trial the prosecution calling two dozen witnesses, four women saying they were recruited, groomed, and sexually abeauted by epstein. they say he was able to sexually abuse young girls because maxwell was the key to the whole operation. she lived with him for years and was even referred to as the lady of the house. prosecutors showed pictures tying them together for years. maxwell received more than $30 million from epstein during the years her alleged crimes were committed. epstein took his own life behind bars in 2019, but his presence looming over the courtroom. the defense reminded the jury to separate maxwell from the disgraced financier saying ghislaine maxwell is not jeffrey epstein, adding she's been tried for being with jeffrey epstein. maybe that was the biggest mistake of her life, but that is not a crime. she could spend the rest of her life in prison. >> our thanks to nbc's ron allen for that report. joining us now, nbc legal analyst and friend of the show, danny cevallos. good morning, danny. thanks so much for being here today. this is an extraordinary spotlight on this trial. the jury deliberated a little longer than some people expected. let me start with a simple question. were you at all surprised by what they ruled? >> no, i was not. this is a case where the federal government does not normally lose. they have a conviction rate of over 90%. when they bring a case, it's usually ready to go. i was a little surprised at the length of deliberations, but at the same time, keep in mind, this was never a layup for the government in that they were prosecuting crimes that happened in the early '90s. i was in high school back then, and i'm certainly not young. so thinking about reconstructing what happened in the early to mid '90s today was a challenge for the government when most of the case rested on the credibility of accusers who took the stand and had to struggle with memories of traumatic events from so long ago. >> danny, you seem very youthful to me. the jury did find maxwell not guilty on one of the counts. explain why you think that happened. >> yeah. count 2, entightment. there you see it, not guilty, but guilty of the conspiracy to entice. you don't need to find the defendant guilty of the underlying crime to find them guilty of agreeing to commit that crime. conspiracy is called an incomplete crime. but they may have concluded that number one, jane, the accuser who testified, they may have found her not credible for whatever reason, or they may have found the enticement was ontario incidental. the intent was only incidental to the sexual assault. that maxwell didn't have the specific intent to entice her for the purpose of kmigt a sex crime. so that could have been what they struggled with as well in finding her not guilty of count 2, but guilty on every other count. >> unsurprisingly, maxwell's attorneys say they'll appeal. what strategy do you think they'll use in the future legal matters here? >> the most common appeal would be something like jury instructions. it's the best chance for appeal. you may also see appeals based on evidence that came in. look for the defense to challenge the age of the evidence, the staleness of it so to speak. but any number of things you can see that they will at least appeal on. but the challenge is that an appeals court doesn't look at the faxual evidence with fresh eyes. they really only look to see if there's been an abuse of discretion by the trial court. that's a very difficult standard to meet, and most appeals statistically are not likely to succeed. >> danny cevallos, happy new year to you. we'll certainly see you in early 2022. thanks for being here today. the united states broke its record for new daily covid cases for a second day in a row. according to data from "the new york times," more than 488,000 new cases were reported yesterday, bringing the seven-day average to 301,000. those are huge numbers. officials say the numbers may actually be higher than reported as fewer people were tested over the holiday. also people testing at home may not report their tests. rates of hospitalization are rising due to the omicron variant. more than 2,000 hospitalizations in maryland and 500 in the nation's capital. the cdc is cutting the isolation time for asymptomatic for people who tested positive. it was cut from ten days to five days. yesterday on "morning joe" the question was asked. >> in those recommendations we do not recommend a test for several reasons. first, we know the pcr test can stay positive for 12 weeks. if you were waiting for a negative pcr, you'd be waiting for months. in terms of antigen dwoerjts know how the tests will perform, whether they can predict whether you can transmit virus or not. >> in another interview on cnn, roy lenky said the new guidelines, quote, really had a lot to do with what we thought people would be able to tolerate. there's also a debate over what it means to be, quote, fully vaccinated and whether that term should include a booster. two officials tell "the new york times" the biden administration is considering scrapping the term and replacing it with language that reflects vaccinations. it should be, quote, up to date. as "the times" notes, redefining wait means to be fully vaccinated will surely incite political backlash. tens of millions who consider themselves vaccinated, without boosters could lose access to restaurants, offices, concerts, events, gatherings, any place where proof of vaccination is required. joining us now to talk about this, reporter for "the washington post," eugene scott. eugene, great to see you. we're glad you're here. there's a record number of covid cases in the u.s., almost hard to get our heads around, the sheer size of the infections that are across the country right now, nearing half a million. the biden administration, the president has said it candidly. he's said it publicly he knows they have to control it and bring it to an eventual end. how are they being judged right now? how worried is the biden administration at the case numbers? >> significantly because this is not where the white house wanted us to be at this point in the year, and there's great frustration among the american population of what is happening, the ongoing changes in terms of what it means to be vaccinated, how inconsistent so many organizations and companies are as you move from state to state in terms of what is allowed and what's require and how to move forward, and so getting on the same page and having a consistent message has been a really difficult task for many in the biden administration to accomplish, and it's showing everywhere you look. >> yeah. i mean, let's be candid. the director of the cdc did a round of interviews yesterday and really didn't have answered as to why a negative test was required to end isolation. that's leading to speculation. it's in part because there aren't enough tests to go around, for people to take it and get out of it. there seems to be no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of when they get to end their status in isolation. now let's get to booster shots frchl what we just read, it seems like a third shot is going to be required to be fully vaccinated. what kind of backlash do you expect from that and how do you handle people with religious exemptions trying to get out of it? >> i was speaking with people who are frustrated over the requirements are constantly changing, which to some degree is expected and norm as as scientists learn more and more about the virus. people were hoping to check a box and move forward and have some sense of security that they were responding to the pandemic in the healthiest way possible are feeling unsettled, anxious, and whether or not there's anything they can do to actually move forward to a place of comfort. you're seeing religious organizations or people associated with them raise more questions, wondering what is best for their health and how this conflicts with their values. not many of those questions are being answered, they feel, from their political leaders and even religious leaders. so people are heading into 2022 with a number of anxieties that people with power were hoping would not exist at this point by the end of the year. >> you nailed that. i think there's also a sense of just real frustration, almost a despondency as we turn to 2022 with no real end in sight. eugene scott of "the washington post." still ahead, amid high tensions in the ukraine, president biden is set to hold another phone call with vladimir putin supreme court is asked to remain. when we come back, a look at the weather predawn at the united states capitol. edawn at the uni states capitol i've lost count of how many asthma attacks i've had. but my nunormal with nucala? 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>> it's a bit of a bleak picture right now especially where the surge has already hit. we are quite overwhelmed in general, and it's a combination of patients who are very sick from covid, patients who are sick with covid, so they have other diseases they're coming in with, and then we have huge staffing shortages. that's really straining what we can do. people are talking about waiting in the emergency room for 12, 16 hours waiting for a bed. that has been there for quite a while. it's not much longer than that. people are waiting much longer to be seen by a physician. and i think the public is very frustrated. they're trying to get tested, they're trying to stay safe, and they're not able to stay safe. the home tests are very effective, very useful in knowing whether you are able to spread to others. people want that access. people are coming to the emergency department to try to get tested, and we don't have the volume, the capability of seeing everybody who's coming to see us. >> doctor, how many of those patients you're seeing are unvaccinated? >> when we look at patients who need to be hospitalized or go to the icu, it's almost all who are unvaccinated. i haven't seen anyone who's vaccinated that has had to be admitted to the hospital. so not even those being boosted, just primary vaccines. the patients who are really sick, need going to the hospital or icu, they're almost all unvaccinated. >> we've talked a lot on this show about kids getting back to classrooms when the holiday ends, new york city, specifically. let's talk about colleges. they just implemented a travel ban which will not allow students to leave campus once the new semester starts. what do you make of that measure, does that seem wise, and what hope do you give to college students hoping to return to in-person classrooms next month? >> i think these are the kinds of things we need to see in order to try to keep kids in school. these are college kids. if we want to keep them live in classes, not have these enormous outbreaks that came right before winter break, then we do need to institute keeping people in one place, reducing spread, reducing their access or exposure to others. and having testing policies is extremely useful, especially when you're screening a population and saying you're going to do tests regularly to see if there's a spike in cases. we need to put students at the front of those who need to be coming in live. that should be our priority, and everything else should come around that. in communities where they're closing schools and keeping bars open is nonsensical. schools open first, they should be closed last. that should be our priority. >> i couldn't agree with you more. thank you for being on the show. good look out there. earlier we asked you why you're awake. brad is retiring after 42 years. congratulations. gene, what do you have there? >> room for all the food when it's already full from christmas left overs. >> ginger, that seems to be a good question to have. >> amy is up because she's trying to change her flights back to france after our first flight for friday morning was cancelled. melissa e-mails this, i am up way too early because i have been covering for someone at work all week. my new year's resolution is to try to have a better work life balance. >> sending cards to family and friends and working on their posture. i will note this, a lot of the e-mails and tweets we are seeing are people infected with coronavirus or waiting for a test or bringing a loved one for a test. best of luck, we hope for a healthy 2022. a major impact for professional sports. ghislane maxwell has been found guilty. also ahead, nbc news chief correspondent, richard engel will weigh in on the implications on today's phone call between vladimir putin and president biden. 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the canadian government does not make the exceptions for the 17 who play there. >> that's a big question, john. we have seen what's happening in the league so far where the instruction has been put in place because canada is so much stricter of who can go where with covid. what's interesting is you are seeing more and more players kind of push back on this idea speaking of flyers, kevin hayes was in the protocol for a while and said just yesterday, i don't mean to make a light of covid anyway but my symptoms are not that bad. you are seeing more and more athletes surprise, not surprise but just kind of tired of this. wanting to play and if they are not experiencing symptoms, duowe really need to delay things. you see players speaking out, how are they going to handle this. i think the nhl has been kind of last in terms of pushing forward of opening things up among the major sports league in america. >> nhl and the nfl and nba, they have access to tests all the time and we are still seeing outbreak there which is reflective of how the prevalent is. what sort of concerns do the virus threaten the competitive balance of the league as playoffs approach? >> there is a lot of concerns. it comes back to what we are talking about moments ago. player in the league questioning is it necessary for us to be out of games. here in philadelphia, the washington football team played the eagles and washington had 23 players in the covid protocol. 21 of them according to the nfl were asome tom -- asymptomatic. that's disconnect of how prevalent the virus now and how many people testing positive verses the severity athletes of those who are suffering from it. >> the nfl has been willing to move some games a little bit. we have seen games rescheduled to monday and tuesday. have they give any sense of previews, what they may do come playoff time? would they move games particularly since those days of rest are so precious. >> you have seen the direction they're going to move when they move inaccordance to the cdc guidelines. >> you mention these leagues according to them have 90 or 95% of their players are vaccinated. carson wentz said he was not vaccinated, he just tested positive and his time frame of isolation drops like everybody els. the nfl is trying to keep covid in its most benign form from derailing the entire season and raising safety concerns you are talking about because of the time between games is so important. >> right. certainly it will be interesting to watch the unvaccinated. mike, thank you for being here and happy new year to you. let me just say to all of you. thank you for waking up way too early with us on thursday morning. this is our final show of the year. i want to offer sincere thanks everyone who works on it. we could not do it without them and of course thanks all of you for watching each and every morning. we can't wait to take on 2022 with you. that's all for us, "morning joe" starts right now. we'll see you monday. >> as you noel, the cdc has been criticized for mix messaging throughout the course of the pandemic whether on masks or boosters. why should americans trust the cdc? 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