filibuster loving manchin and sinema. theyed a adjourned this morning and won't be back until january 3rd. it's beginning to look like nothing will be passed by christmas. joining me is member of the house judiciary committee, of course, washington congress woman camilla jayapal. a lot of people are disappointed build back better won't pass. it's great to see them shifting to voting rights, however, there is a hump to getting over voting rights. their actions to get it passed. one is adopting a one-time chain, senator kaine to install a talking filibuster and force the gop to stand on the floor and maintain 41 votes to black legislation. what can you tell the american people this morning about vetting voting rights passed? >> good morning, tiffany. it's always great to be with you. look, this is the single-most important thing we have to do. the congressional black caucus prioritized this for the entire year. we've prioritized eliminating the filibuster. we would sell it for reforming the filibuster and getting voting rights through. let's be clear. the filibuster is the journey of the minority. it gives the power to the republican minority in congress to continue to use the filibuster as a means for stopping any civil rights legislation. it's a relic of jim crowe. that's how it's been used before. that's how it's being used today. so any of the reforms would be welcome as long as they go far enough to be able allow that bill to come up. the filibuster, let's be clear, stops bills from even being considered, tiffany. it's not even the final vote. but it prevents the move forward, the motion for closure to be able to move a bill forward. so it is really essential. i understand from the president directly that he is working very hard. we have seen some movement from senators who had previously opposed the filibuster, reforming the filibuster and now are willing to do a special carveout for voting rights, because they understand how important it is. that's not enough. we need all 50 senators. we just have to continue to push and push and push and refuse to accept no for an answer. >> look. i don't want to let the republicans off the hook the reason why manchin and sinema, their vote is so important, no one wants to see vogt rights pass, i think it's important that joemanchin raised money as has sinema him you have as to wonder if this is something they want to see happen. i want our vowers to understand if the gop should take control of the federal government, the january 6th investigation goes away, what comes after are the scary things. do you think that the democrats can hold onto the majority in the house and senate with the rampant voter suppression taking place today, if nothing happens, if congress doesn't act? >> i think it makes it incredibly difficult to have an elect. if you suppress the votes of people and you put in so many restrictions that they cannot even exercise that fundamental constitutional right that preserves our democracy, then who knows what will happen. i want to say you are absolutely right to point out republicans have opposed us every step of the way. they've tried everything else they could. they tried to have a president overthrow the election. they tried to -- they're continuing to go forward with a big lie and sense they didn't win that way, they are now deciding that what they're going to do is suppress votes. now this has been going on for some time. particularly this year. i think we are seeing the attempts to pass well and the successful attempts to pass legislation in states across the country that prevent people from going to the vote. do i think we can still win elections? i think we have to win elections because it is so important to our democracy, but it makes it very difficult if republicans continue to be able to pass these voter suppression laws without democrats saying, no, we're going to stop this bypassing the votes rights act and the john lewis voting rights act and the afford the people act. >> it's incredibly frustrating, two people holding this up on the democratic side i imagine have never been on the receiving side, perhaps they don't understand the severity of it for those that v. i want to shift and talk about build back better. a lot of disipalmetto this wasn't able to have any action in the senate. senator joe manchin again is holding up crucial points of this legislation, policies such as paid family leave, immigration, drug prices, child care. all of this is in jeopardy because of him. he got testy about a reporter asking him about the child credit. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> you want to spread it out? >> we voted for it many times. >> you want to continued the way it is $300 a month for the youngest kids? >> i'm not negotiating with any of you all, okay? let me go. okay. i'm done, i'm done! >> it got a bit aggressive with a reporter trying to get answers for not only his constituents but people all across the country who are starting to wonder if it's president joe manchin since he has so much outweighed power. my question is will the house accept whatever version the senate kicks back to the lower chamber, because they do have the potential to strip a lot of these crucial policies away, as chiari of the congress am caucus, are you telling your caucus in. >> well, the first thing is that the child tax credit, child care, universal pre-k, cutting the cost of prescription drugs, capping insulin to $35, investing in housing, these are all critically important pieces of build back better and west virginians want those just as much as everybody else across the country. and so you know, we approved and we endorsed as the progressive caucus the framework that senator joe manchin and senator kirs tin cinema and the white house had agreed to right before the president went to cop26 in europe. we endorsed that framework. we added a little bit in the house to that frame. and i understand that the negotiations are about how much of what we added beyond the from time to time that senator manchin agreed to can survive and you know we just have to see, but we have been working in very good faith and senator manchin agreed with the president to that framework. i expect the president to deliver on the 50 votes that he promised he would deliver when we, you know when we took his word and went ahead and passed the infrastructure bill and the build back better act through the house. the senate should have stayed in session and gotten the work done, tiffany. there is no reason they couldn't do that. i don't understand why they didn't do that. and i am urging the president to immediately have those discussions with senator manchin so that we can at least get an agreement on the legislation. it's not that complicated. the majority was pre-conferenced, so let's get the last piece done before christmas, at least get the agreement. then we can write up the legislation and make whatever changes we made and pass it through the senate. it's too important to wait. >> i want to talk about immigration as well. for the third time, senate parliamentarians have kicked this back. i have to say people are confuse ed parliamentarians. that's a lot of people being impacted by this that the senate parliamentarian has now rejected. >> just going back to the filibuster, the reason we twist ourss into parliamentarian pretzels is because of the filibuster. if we had a simple majority in the senate, i think we could get comprehensive reform done. because of the filibuster, we're trying to jam everything into this reconciliation bill and we give an unelected, bless her, she is doing her job, an unelected woman, one woman the opportunity to say, no, you cannot do this. that does not have to stand. the senate can decide to just not listen to the advisory opinion. that's all it is, of the parliamentarian and decide they're going to go forward with this revision. but they would need 51 votes in the senate to do that and i think that is the challenge. we are urging the senate to look at that option. because we can't continue to kick this down the road and say immigrants are essential. then we will leave you behind. it's happened way too much. that's what i think the senate has to consider, is let's just get this done. it is so important for people across the country. >> and people across the country are frustrated at democracy not working. people worked really hard to deliver to democrats and looking at it not getting it done, it makes it harder for people to happening over voter suppression to see nothing happen usually in congress. we have to talk about the january 6 investigation. rornlger stone was on capitol hill yesterday. he pled the fifth repeatedly to all hess questions. mid-terms are next year. let's say democrats are able to hold on to a majority. what guarantee do people have there won't be another january 6, that people will accept election results that they don't like? a lot of your colleagues are also right wing extremists. we have to stop saying they're conservative. they're right wing extremists in communication with other right wing extremists as the investigation has revealed. what itself the plan to make sure that democracy is upheld when we seen rank and file people held accountable. certainly not people, more senior folks around the president and who are elected officials? >> there is only one party that is a pro democracy party that is the democratic party. the republican party is the party of the big lie party that has decided they're going to win elections anyway they can which includes making sure the people can't vote. so i think that this is really serious. its why the select committee and the information we're getting from the select committee is so important. but it's outrageous that there are only two republicans liz cheney and adam kinzinger who actually are interested in finding the truth. i was in that gallery january 6th trapped in that gallery, tiffany, and we're coming up on the one-year anniversary. i know many of us in the gallery group i started, members who were trapped in that gallery understand that this, what happened on january 6th could happen again at any point. because we haven't yet gotten to the truth. we haven't yet had a bipartisan reckoning with what happened. so that we can be committed to fixing it and making sure it never happens again and so we're going to proceed with the courts, with the select committee and we're going to try to get as many people to understand how fragile our democracy is and how important it is that we act in getting accountability and then ensuring that this doesn't happen again. unforeign lit, the republican party had decided that i don't care about democracy. this is just fine with them, according to them, these were just tourists, not insurrectionists. it's just painful and dangerous for us every single day for the entire country. >> abortion rights, voting rights and a failed coup, it's very frightening to witness. thank you so much, i hope that you will be able to join us again in the very near future. coming up, while congress grapples with what to do about voting rights, we will talk again more what is happening. at thegrass roots level. laundry t scent thatergent alone, with no heavy perfumes or dyes. finally, a light scent that lasts all day! new downy light, available in four naturally-inspired scents. ♪♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. 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reverend rafael warnock took that position. >> we began addressing the debt ceiling, this same chamber is allowing the ceiling of our democracy to crash in around us. i happen to believe that our democracy is at least as important as the economy. >> indeed it is, joining seems to me natasha brown co-founder of black voters matter. thank you for being with me this morning. i am so frustrated. i know you are, you have been a grass roots organizer on this very issue for a very long time. i think a lot of people at this point are just outraged. we want to know, who should we direct that outrage to? who should we be mad at, at this point, because congress has failed. there is some frustration around the white house. certainly the republicans are poster children for voter suppression at this point and people are helpless and frustrated. what should we be doing? >> i think that until it's over it's not over. i think we got to push at this point right now to make sure that the adminstration makes it a priority. until the end of the year, we have to continue and even then we have to head to the next level. we have to demand before this year closes, we need the administration to actually put action behind the words and in fact the voting rights is important to this administration, we should see not a reset. we don't take a break when our democracy is in balance. we have to literally put pressure on the senate. we have to really recognize this is structural racism that we're experiencing. we're also the vulnerability of the democracy of this country, legislation that keeps the work flow and economic package making sure we're respecting the right to vote that people are fought punished because the way they voted or who they voted for. >> absolutely. i think there is still a level of frustration amongst folks, that want action items tomorrow. when you say pressure, i assume you mean like make phone calls. if congress fails. if the administration fails, if nothing is done on voting rights, are you the person on the ground in most of the states of this country. can you out organize their legislative that ill years? >> absolutely not. we have been saying since day one, we can't out organize, we can do what we can in the streets. people are frustrated. we started at the beginning of the year. there was a lot of momentum on the side of the democrats. fundamentally, you had a base of people that showed up, got the results they wanted. what we saw were voters actually put people in power pause they expected that those people would protect their power. here we are, we don't have voting rights legislation. we have to shut ut down to make sure when we look at folks like joe madison, a radio personality, a 72-year-old for a month who has been fasting that this is how serious this is. we got to lift our voices in this moment. we can't relieve because it's the holiday season. we have to actually go deeper. so we have to demand at this point that there is voting rights protection plan before the end of the year, which is ideally to do whatever it takes to make sure that is a reality. >> they are posting a picture of his weight loss. he is sacrificing his body so congress will eneight voting rights legislation, which is baffling to believe in 2021 this is the battle we are fighting. look, the people standing in the way, i'm not letting republicans off the hook. you do have senators man. already have sinema, these are two people who likely never faced oppression. they govern from a privileged perspective from a space where they have never heard the stories of people being beaten to death to vote. people being, congressman john lewis having his skull cracked for the right to vote so it's incredibly enraging to watch these two people say, well, it's a filibuster, what can we do? let's just assume they might be watching this program what word would you have for manchin and sinema, they think the filibuster is more to protect than our democracy? >> i think they've taken an oath. they represent the people. you look at the economic disparities, the state of west virginia that, we need to make sure we're passing legislation that the people of virginia like west virginia are able to get access to healthcare and other things they need. when you look at who sinema represents, not at her, who she represents, that her population is also impacted aside from the part of her electoral orbit from latino voters in her state that helps her pay are under attack, there is an agenda that the people that she represents want that had vans their lives, so i'm asking, i think two things, one that this is in the issue of access, it's an issue about justice and protecting democracy. we want to you do your job. do your job and represent the people who have actually put you in office. represent what you made an oath to in terms of protecting democracy. we expect that you will do the right thing, not hold onto the leverage of a what we know is a relic of racism, which has been the filibuster that works against social justice issues and voights rights in this country. that you will stand on the side of right. >> we will see. i want you to listen to kamala harris. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> i can hear. >> you so who is the real president in this country? joe manchin or joe biden? >> c'mon, it's joe biden. no, no, no, no. it's joe biden and don't start talking like a republican about asking whether or not he's president. >> do you think joe manchin is the problem? >> it's joe biden and i'm vice president and my name is kamala harris. >> i can appreciate madam vice president's assertion there. however, like i said, there is a lot of frustration across this country from the folks like you who organize and the folks who risk life and limb during a global pandemic to vote and joe manchin and kyrsten sinema are the two people standing in the way of policies that will imhundreds of millions of people around the country. he is speaking for a lot of people that feel frustration. what are your thoughts? >> i do want to say that i would actually have to see vice president horizon assert herself and say, listen, i am the vice president. we're not going to marshallize, because there has been a narrative to marshallize the ability and the power of the president. whether he's used it for particularly around voting rights, that's another question. to undermine he absolutely has the power to lead and i think he's fully cape obviously of doing it. i think there are two separate issues. i think sinema and manchin are in the way and the president should put more pressure on them. that does not undermine, the president is in power. that's why veto hold them accountable. >> yeah. i think you are right. it was great to see madam vice president, you know, say put some respect on my name. let me let you know, we are in power and control. every time something like this comes up, i think about you and the important work that you do. so there are a lot of people that look for guidance. you'll have to come back and join us when we have more time to talk about voting rights. thank you. happy holidays. coming up, how california's governor is using the texas abortion law as a model for his state when it comes to guns. we'll talk about that and the kim potter trial, with the nation's justice correspondent, there he is right there. get ready for the outrage from elly. that's coming up next. . when i heard about that, i said to my team, we need to follow his lead. and the reason why that is, is because gun manufacturers and gun distributors in this country are immunized. no liability whatsoever. they're the only industry that is protected in this country, given the carnage and the fact this is the ninth i was in of sandy hook, i am sick and tired of prayers and individuals whose hearts go out to all those who have lost lives. we can do something about it. >> that was, of course, new york tomorrow tess james sounding off earlier on her state joining california in using the legal logic of texas' anti-abortion law to allow private citizens to sue gun manufacturers. you may ask, what do pro gun nuts and anti-abortion activists have in common? for one, they're usually the same person. the irony of self-described pro-lifers going full hog to protect gun access, the tools made specifically to end life is clearly lost on right wing extremists whose hypocrisy on guns helps to kill tens of thousands of americans every year. joining me now to give up the legal low down cross connection favorite justice correspondent of the nation, my pal, elly, thank you so much for being here this morning. lots of questions for you. we have lots of topics, so i will go quick lip. first on this gun law that governor newsom has introduced, can this hold up? can this stand? i'll tell you our friend and colleague adam serwer at the atlantic says don't get your hopes up. he wrote a column this week where he says that five justices can direct the destiny of the nation as they choose, they can decide how legal principles are applied, or throw them out and invent new ones? >> first of all, adam is absolutely right. the california law's proposal to end these gun restrictions is exactly the same logic as texas used to get around abortion principles. it is using private rights of actions, private citizens to subvert the constitution. it's exactly the same logic as texas is using in abortion so unless conservatives are hypocrites, this law should stand. the problem is conservatives are hypocrites. the problem is stream e supreme court justices are hip krits, nothing can make the them follow intellectual consistency, it will be no problem for the supreme court to overturn the california proposal while upholding the texas proposal even though they're the same thing because the supreme court doesn't care. they don't care about your logic. they don't care about your intellectual pride, hypocrisy. they don't care. they're doing what they are doing because they can do it. as simple as that. the reason i like gavin newsom's stunt, i'm in favor of this plan that i think will fail is because perhaps it will put into stark relief the challenges that democrats face trying to win at the supreme court. you can't win on logic. you can't win on argument. if you let conservatives control the supreme court, this is what you get for a generation. >> yeah, you know, we have an actual hand maiden on the court. so it makes me very nervous about a woman's right to choose in this country. i want to shift gears now. we have so much to talk to you about on abortion rights, do we -- is there another role to play? it seems like roe is on life support. does the legislative have a role to play here? how do we choose a woman's rights if they fail? >> we are already skipping over into a post-roe world. we understand the writing has been on the wall. they have been trying to do this for a generation. it looks like there are six votes or significantly curtail a womb's right to choose. the obviously we responsibility, answer, the federal government, the congress and the president should sign a law codifying row v. wade making it a federal standard a woman has a right to choose up to fetal liability. i seem to remember during the primaries, half of the democratic candidates promised this would be a thing. as soon as they got into power nothing happened. right. so i believed congress should pass some kind of law. now, you have the problem of manchin/sinema and everything else, conservatives are hypocrites who do not care. so the moment you pass your federal legislation codifying the roe v. wade, you start the clock on other supreme court challenge that will eventually i believe with these six conservative justices say that law is understand constitutional use of federal power. you can't regulate it, blah blah blah blah blah. conservatives, again, they're not -- i keep trying to make this point and people can appreciate it. conservatives are not bound by logic. they are bound by power. and as long -- donny dep in pirates of the caribbean, what a man can do and a man can't do. right now supreme court is in yolo mode, they're doing it because they have to power to do so. >> yeah. i this i that you know we have to start using appropriate language. they're not conservatives, they're right wing extremists and have infiltrated every part of the government. take a listen to kim potter. she was the officer who shot to daunte wright, she testified this week. lots of tears. take a look. we'll talk about it. >> do you agree that as a police officer you have the duty to render aid and communicate information, right? >> yesp. >> it's a part of the job to assist those who are hurt or injured, true? >> yes. >> you didn't do any of those things on april 11th, did you? >> no. >> you stopped doing your job completely, you didn't run down the street and try to save adopt wright's life, did you? >> no. >> so we have this officer testifying this week. we have all been able to see the testimony on screen. we also have in louisiana this judge who was caught on camera, her vase appears on the video at some point. she declined to say whether she was the person using the n-word. she did confirm the footage was filmed in her home. we need to be clear that her lawyer is not clear who utters the slurs, i'll let people look up the video and judge for themselves. i'm bringing this up to show the multiple ways in which the criminal justice system is very unforgiving and does not view or prioritize black lives in this country. daunte wright was presumed guilty when he was pulled over. he lost his life. now this judge, who knows how many cases she's heard, they investment forcomfortable, they found it very comfortable on that tape, multiple people using the n-word with impunity, your thoughts. >> is that how it's supposed to work? are you a racist, you've killed somebody. then it's like, oh, i'm very sorry that i hate negros so much. oh, like i don't think that that's how it should work in this country. when are you talking about the judge, the nation is not nearly enough. she had been a judge two years, a prosecutor before. every single one of her cases, every single person that she put in jail now should have a right, an immediate right to appeal given that she has shown herself to be biased and racist. i am sorry, sleeping pills do not make you call people the n-word and call people roaches. that's not a side effect of zyqui li. in terms of a crime shooting cop on the stand. we saw this in the rittenhouse trial, if are you a defense attorney, that woman cried exactly at the point you would have told her to cry. she cried exactly at the point she was forced to describe killing somebody. so, of course, when you are talking about killing somebody, when you don't want to look like a monster for killing somebody, that's the point where you turn on the waterworks, no, i'm actually a human that has emotions, i'm not arnold schwarzenegger from terminator 2. that's why she did it at that point. so there are people i guess who are fool to buy this stuff. not me, i'm sitting here, i got white tears in my cup. i'm just, whatever. >> i'm with you. believe me, my brother, i'm with you. we are way over time. i want you to finish making your very important point. go have a great saturday, my friend. coming up next, co-host shaneil talks about the struggles of infertility. she joins us next. don't go away. . the doctor definitely belittled the pain. oh, just make sure she starts taking tylenol a few days before the period. you start with the regular strength tylenol. i've definitely gone up from the 200 to now 800 milligrams that i used a couple of times a day. after, you know, 37 years, it takes a toll for someone to dismiss you and say, yeah, i hear you are in pain. just do this. you start to think, well, i guess this is a "me" problem. >> so many of us have been there, doctors dismissing our pain only to later find out it's not a "me" problem. infertility with black women and fibroids and endo met triosis we share waiting for media cocatch up and center our stories for once. a new documentary from my wonderful and beautiful colleague channel jones does just that. it airs tomorrow night. she joins me now to talk about it. channel, i am so thrilled to have you here. thank you for taking time on saturday mornings, i know you get up early during the week. >> thank you. >> i am thrilled about your documentary. are you so right. it's so timely. you and i spoke a little about it. it's true, these are the stories we tell amongst each others, rare live are that featured. what made you do this? >> i have been talking to my friends behind closed doors for years. i remember i am 43-years-old now. i remember when i was in my early 20s in my first and second job having girlfriends, girls who would go and have surgery on their fibroids, be back at work the next day. it was almost two days later, and now decades later, we found out those surgeries impacted their fertility. it was story after story after tore. i started to feel like, even though we're starting to talk about infertility and ivf and egg freezing, which we will tackle sunday night. i kind of felt every time i'd flip through magazines or stories, i didn't see women that looked like me, i know i am dealing with it. i kind of felt enough was enough. i decided to tackle this with some friends and here we are. >> i'm so glad you did. as you know, i have my own experience with this. it's something i love about this documentary, it's not exclusively about infertility. it's about quality of life. you get into tie brides and the pain. i shared my story here. what were the conversations like around that? a lot of women make the decision to be infertile because of the issues that they have aroundfy around fibroids and our bodies. >> every single woman i talked with behind the scenes researching this project, number one, everybody said, i wish i would have known. i wish i could have had the conversation. so my prayer is that if there is a mom sitting and watching this with her daughter in des moines, l.a., wichita, kansas, you name it, wherever you live, if you can watch this tonight and start to have these conversations. i think what you will find is i was talking to my own mother, she said, i had fibroids? really. we have to start having these conversations. i think the concept of belittling pain is real. that young lady who you guys heard from is my sister-in-law. when she was 11-years-old, she passed out in the hallway at school and so she is almost 40 now. so that means for decades, she has had these debilitating periods. it wasn't until she was in her 30s, she got a diagnosis of endomet the riosis. she ended up being in there for six hours. it had spread all over inside. so it gives me chills talking about it. because these are things again where she says she just wished she would have known. so i think we talk about this a lot. i am sure you talked about it on your show, the importance of being your own advocate, asking questions, finally a physician who will affirm you. i will tell you, i come from a family of physicians. my grandfather went to howard med school. his father and i grew up watching my grandpa in the community where i grew up. his library would be packed. he was so affirming and gentle and i suffered from my own mischairman before my first son. he'd call me every day. sometimes we would sit on the phone. he wasn't trying to pull me out of the mud, he would sit in there with me helping me deal. those are the physicians that exist. i love that man and my upgleles. so let's seek them out. let's celebrate those doctors affirming and will take time to hear you and help you. >> yeah. my own doctor glen lightfoot was such a goodsends for me, she believed me and affirmed me. i am so happy you brought up your miscarriage, i have friends that have gone through this there is a little of not wanting to talk about it. this week, some friends and i were praying over a friend in the hospital with her pregnancy challenges. this is something we can talk about more. so thank you so much for doing this documentary. it airs tomorrow night sunday right here on msnbc. i know you have to get up super early during the week, i would love for to you come back and joan me on this show any time. >> i can't wait to be able to grab your hand. i want your viewers to know you are the truth. are you a girl's girl. we hadn't really met and i reached out to you. i want you guys to know i reached out on social media, an idea, hey, i need your help. tiffany responded immediately. i am on your show today. that is not lost on me. so i thank you. we see each other. i'm at the "today" show, are you on msnbc. i thank you for what you do each and every week. >> i thank you. i think it's the sisterhood we share when we don't know each other but we know each other. >> girl. >> i know you. i appreciate that. we'll have to do this over cocktails next time as they say. >> yes, please. all right. >> thank you so much. >> please support these women. >> absolutely. all right. we fell the fertility secret. right here on msnbc. i pay homage to some lar and activist bill hooks. wrinkly at least my shoes look good! looking good start with bounce wrinkleguard, the megasheet designed to prevent wrinkles in the dryer. superpowers from a spider bite? 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>> that is such a good question because we do know, tiffany, that the lawyers like john eastman and jeff clark, lawyers who should know better that they are now invoking the fifth amendment, but they're not doing the process right. i know this is going to sound crazy to you, but i will tell you this, what roger stone did was procedurally correct by showing up and having the committee depose him and ask him question by question wherein in response to each question he invoked his fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination. that is technically how the process is supposed to occur. people like eastman and clark by broadly state ing i'm invoking my fifth amendment privilege, that's not how it works. now maybe when a referral to the doj happens for criminal contempt, he has a better argument in terms of the doj not being able to indict him for that because he did properly invoke a fifth amendment privilege. the other guys they didn't do it procedurally right. if i'm the doj i'm saying too bad, too slow. stone is just delaying the inevitable. we're going to have to hear from him as with the others. >> and you know, roland, it's really frustrating because it feels like so far the people who have been held accountable are these low rank and file folks, you know, when are we going to see some accountability for trump's inner circle? we know don jr. was around text messages revealed this week about rick perry potentially giving them this strategy to deny election results. mark meadows, former white house chief of staff and who's to say next year any of these folks will be willing to accept election results that they don't like. curious your thoughts as you're repping hard for hbcus this morning. what say you, roland? >> for the life of me, i don't quite understand why this committee is taing so long. january 6th, here we are 11 months later and you're absolutely right. we also have not had the kind of public hearings that i think are critically important as well. the public has a real understanding of how deep and how shameful the conduct was of many of these republicans standing with trump. you have to -- if you go back to the watergate hearings, having those hearings and seeing them and hearing the testimony is critically important. this committee hasn't done that, and i'm not quite sure exactly what their strategy is, and so you sort of have, you know, liz cheney reading some of the text messages. before that it was really a couple of months earlier. i don't know really what they're doing. to me they should be ramping this thing up. and the department of justice is really operating slow as well. it is really unfortunate, we're about to go into another election cycle, and we still haven't fully dealt with january 6th, so they got to step it up. >> yeah, i completely agree. people are increasingly frustrated seeing this. i want to shift now and talk about this tornado candle factory. and bring into the conversation democratic strategist ammar, the wonders of technology, folks, while we're dealing with covid. happy to have ammar. i want to read what happened last week. there were tornados, lots of tornados across the country, six people were killed at an amazon warehouse and at least eight at a candle factory in mayfield, kentucky. workers say they begged their managers to leave as news of the coming storm spread, but they were told they would lose their jobs, and instead many lost their lives. katie, this is so tragic to hear what people were going through. is there some sort of legal repercussions for employers who made people stay there in harm's way. >> the employer is denying this happened. it strikes some type of curiosity there would be at least six or eight employees that would say this is what happened, but to answer your question, yes, there is at a minimum civil liability for the deaths and the injuries that were sustained for these factory workers, these employees who allegedly said they heard the first warning sirens, begged to leave. were told to shelter in place. when it became clear there was a window of opportunity to escape, they were told if you left the retaliation, you would be terminated from employment. i would also hazard, tiffany, that there is going to be -- i know governor beshear said there's an investigation going on, but i know there's going to be some type of criminal investigation. you cannot have this level of gross negligence and not be culpable as the employer if you put your employees in harm's way knowingly. we don't know where tornados go, tiffany, but you know what, at a minimum, you are required to provide from a civil standpoint a safe work environment. even from a criminal analysis standpoint, if you're the employer, you cannot intentionally make those people that are in your care and custody because you've ordered them to stay, you cannot risk physical harm to them. so if i'm the employer, i would definitely be lawyering up. >> and how heartless do you have to be? we actually have kiana parsons perez last week on our air. service at that candle factory. it was her 40th birthday. . she revealed something we all found quite shocking about who was helping save lives that night. take a listen. >> there were people in jail -- from jail, grays county jail that worked there, they allowed them to work there, and i remember there was one inmate in particular, he was digging, and he was breaking the dry wall, and he was trying to get people out, but i'm just grateful because they could have took their time, if it had been me, i probably would have been trying to run for my freedom, not trying to help anybody. but i'm grateful that they stayed and that they were helping, and i mean, they were working hard. they were working hard. >> let's talk about stolen labor. i mean, this is when you think about who overpopulates prisons, it's black and brown folks with an emphasis on black folks and the 13th amendment of this constitution, this was devastating to hear. what's your take? >> absolutely. you know, as the son of a union mom, as someone who grew up working as a janitor issue, as someone who served president barack obama in the department of labor. this is egregious to hear that this happened. i can't imagine, you know, last year i had to evacuate myself, my mom, and my stepdad from the fires in san diego, and i can't imagine if we have to choose between our lives and our livelihoods. we'd choose our lives. the last thing you want to think about is am i going to lose my job for trying to protect myself, and how am i going to rebuild from the rubble? and that's what these people are having to grapple with. it's unfortunate, it's heartbreaking, and you know, i'm not surprised that formerly incarcerated and currently incarcerated people were the first ones to get out there and try to save lives. when as the department of labor, we learned that those who are trying to reenter society are the hardest working people and they're very selfless once given a second chance. it is heartbreaking to hear that people who were incarcerated were having to get out there and try to save lives. and i hope that helps us understand people who are incarcerated aren't just not worthy of a second chance. if anything that shows that people like them deserve them. >> yeah, absolutely. you're joining us from the celebration bowl, the football game between hbcus there in atlanta. i think about the folks there who will graduate trying to get good jobs and you think about the employers who are exploiting this labor, inmates or incarcerated people in kentucky were paid $0.18 to $0.24 an hour. some people were paid as little as $2.25 a day with this kind of labor. this has to stop. this is disgusting to see. what's your take? >> i've lived through three hurricanes, and i can tell you a tornado is even more devastating because it jumps upon you without any warning whatsoever. very limited warning, and what we have to come to grips with here, we've got to come to grips with in this country is that capitalism has been focused so much -- it's been about money, money, money as opposed to the human being, as opposed to what's right, what's fair, what's just, and that's been a problem in this country, and we must contend with that, and we must challenge these companies that are benefitting from this free labor. that is wrong. it not right, and unfortunately we have too many people who want cheap products. in order to get cheap products, you need to have cheap labor, and that's what we're dealing with right now in america. >> yeah, and i want to stick with you, speaking of cheap labor, i want to stick with you, roland, because i'm sure there are a lot of folks in atlanta with you who are concerned about this student debt. during his campaign, president biden promised voters student loan forgiveness, which would help close the racial wealth gap and left millions out of debt. he could do it himself, but not only has he not delivered, he's punting it to congress. take a listen. >> one more question on student loans. i think you said last week that you were working on a plan to help students pay. but what about president biden's campaign to forgive or cancel $10,000 of student debt -- pardon me. what is the message to those people who feel that he's yet to follow through on that promise? >> congress sends him a bill, he's happy to sign it. they haven't sent him a bill on that yet. >> student loans a huge challenge in this country, going into midterms, lots of young folks will be voting. roland, where do you stand on the student loan debate? >> i need somebody to answer this for me. he's got elizabeth warren, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and others saying that president biden has the authority to cancel student debt. the white house is saying no. what's the actual answer? what actually is it? and if he has the authority, what the hell is the problem? what's taking so long? i need people to understand something. how much debt was canceled? how much loan forgiveness too place in the ppp loan? how much debt forgiveness have we seen in other programs in this country? it is amazing how in america we can forgive the debt of rich folks, of the top 1% of other companies, but not when it comes to students. so i'm just confused as to if he has the authority, why is he not using it? now, if he doesn't, he should -- the president should come out and say i do not have the authority that others are saying i do. he hasn't done that. i kind of need him to say that. what actually is the deal? it makes no sense to me. >> it makes no sense to a lot of people. i have to say, ammar, 89% of people say they are not financially secure enough to resume payments on february 1st. that's when they have to. one in five say they don't think they will ever be financially secure enough to resume payments. this is a huge problem, ammar. i mean, what would be your advice to young people who are heading to the polls next year wanting some relief here? >> yeah, get your voice out there. you know, i was a kid who went to community college and san diego state university, and that catapulted me to get to work at the white house and the department of labor, run for congress, become a strategist for the party, and that all happened because of the great equalizing force of education and putting a world class education within reach of our people. we were talking about cheap labor and productivity. the world's gotten more expensive, right? the cost of living around the world has increased, so that gives us working people, young students, the chance to own the 21st century here in america by putting a world class education within our reach. and you're right, i mean, the money that we give to debt collectors, that could be circulating in our economy when we need it most right now when inflation is on the rise and everything costs a lot. we need to stimulate the economy. it should be going to mainstream, not to debt collectors. if you want your voice heard, get out there and get your voice heard. i guarantee if there's a ground swell of people around the country speaking, joe biden will have what it takes to get it done, but we have to speak up and do this. and this is true for everything, even with what happened on january 6th. you know, the biggest defining question of our time is not whether our democracy will protect us, it's whether we will protect our democracy. we're going to step up and step in, get off the sidelines, get on the front lines and fight like held with the things we believe in with student debt, democracy, or workers rights. >> a lot of people would argue they did step up. we've seen record voting from people in this country. they elected people. i would say it's time for the elected officials to step up and get something done and show people a return on their investment. unfortunately, we are out of time. katie phang, roland martin, and ammar campo, thank you so much for joining us this morning, you guys will all have to be back. roland, take care of yourself and have fun. why are white supremacist infiltrating your local school boards and council meetings? 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there is the effort to run for local offices, eight of the people who participated in the insurrection did win races. then there's organized chaos like the failed coup essentially that happens on january 6th, and then there's the financial support and the enough, the existing support from right wing extremists who are currently elected officials at the highest levels of federal government like in congress. if they're doing this through a legal route, if they're infiltrating offices and you have multiple voter suppression happening across this country, how do we stop this? >> i think one thing to remember is that these are bold tactics. these are things that have been happening for decades, and it's reflected in who was at the january 6th attack. if you look there, there were actually sitting members of state legislatures and city councils. there were police officers. there were members of the military, so we have to understand that this white supremacy and far right militancy, it infects every part of our culture and every government institution has people who empathize or sympathize with these movements and sometimes participate with them. and what's different from the 1990s when i was working undercover for these groups and the fbi is that law enforcement seems to have not recognized that these are the instigators of the violence, that these individuals are instigating the violence. so you know, when they chose to go to charlottesville, for example, it was because they knew they had political opposition in charlottesville, and the purpose of targeting a city like charlottesville or portland, oregon, is to draw out that political opposition so they can attack them. that was something that law enforcement understood and didn't tolerate in the 1990s, and that's the biggest change that these what we used to call anti-government militias were actually on the side of government over the last four years. and that created an ability for them to more successfully merge with mainstream society. >> yeah, and i really take your point, mike, in terms of this is an old tactic. these are things that have always happened, even, you know, 100 years ago when there were threats, it seems like the government focused their attention on civil rights activists and, you know, people who were trying to defend democracy, not destroy it. i want you to take a listen to steve bannon because he essentially gave the blueprint for what these right wing extremists should do. >> remember, there are no whining and no tears in the war room. we're taking action, and that action is we're taking over school boards. we're taking over the republican party to the precinct committee strategy, we're taking over all the elections. suck on this. >> i mean, he's essentially saying, you know, what they're going to do and that's happening. you brought up the military in your response previously, and more than 80% of the defendants charged in retaliation to the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol have ties to the u.s. military. why do you think so many of these folks come out of the military, and why isn't law enforcement taking this more seriously? steve bannon is saying this is how we're going to do it. it's not just law enforcement, nobody seems to be taking this seriously enough. >> yeah, and i think that's 80 individuals rather than 80%, 80 individuals have ties to the military. >> oh, forgive me, yes, you're right. 80 individuals. yes. >> of the roughly 700 people who have been charged, that's still a significant portion, and again, has long been a problem. and i think what's different is there was a very clear line between those who were promoting white supremacy and far right militancy and those who are actually engaging in criminal activities and acts of violence to promote it. where that line has become much fuzzier where then somebody could -- a sitting politician couldn't align themselves or even a prominent journalist couldn't align themselves directly with the violent fringe of this movement where that has changed, and i think that was something that former president trump was very effective at is calling up that menacing element as a threat to the political system. in other words, if you go to a school board meeting and you want to just have a say about what's happening in your community and how your children are being taught, but there's a threat that you might get beaten up because of your viewpoint, there's less likelihood that you'll come out. certainly if you're going to run for the school board if there's a threat that you might actually be physically harmed, you might think twice about that. so that's where that has changed, where that menacing element is now supported by mainstream politicians, and you know, we've seen in oregon, for example, where an element of the republican party actually hired proud boys to put on security at an event, and they're being main streamed into our political system in a way that promotes this threatening menacing behavior that attempts to win through threats rather than will you-- through the force of their political arguments. >> something i found really interesting is the role cryptocurrency is playing. we'll have to have you again on the show, mike, to talk about that the next time you're on. thank so much for being here with us this morning. look forward to having you back really soon. coming up next, professional sports leagues across the country face covid crisis again. my girl kari champion is ready to break it all down. stay tuned, kari and i are going to dig into it on the other side of the break. her side of the break clean free. it's gentle on her skin, and out cleans our old free detergent. tide hygienic clean free. hypoallergenic and safe for sensitive skin. 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what will covid bring in six months, a year? if you're feeling anxious about the future, you're not alone. calhope offers free covid-19 emotional support. call 833-317-4673, or live chat at calhope.org today. from the nfl reporting a single day high in covid cases, to the chicago bulls postpoing two games after ten players enter the covid-19 protocols, these multibillion dollars industries continue to be imperilled by the pandemic. but even with the endemic blocking that hasn't stopped at least one player from breaking a record this week. to talk about this and more, sport, journalist cari champion is coming through like steph curry in the clutch. so happy to have you joining me this morning to talk about sports. first thing i have to say, you did an amazing job hosting the sports illustrated awards a couple of weeks ago. we were supposed to be on air last week, we had breaking news to get to. kudos to you, you looked fabulous and it was an amazing show. congrats to you. i want to get right into this covid stuff. you see the nfl is canceling games, nba is canceling games. you have all star coming up, the nfl coming up. are these two weekends going to happen? >> listen, with money involved, yes, it's going to happen. here's where we're watching, you and i discussed this as well. what's happening in sports across all sports league is truly just a microcosm of what's happening in the world today. i see two themes, roger goodell, the commissioner of the nfl sends out this memo saying i told you early on we were going to have to make adjustments. with this new variant in place, we will make adjustments. with that being said, we're canceling games, we'll figure out a way to replay them as we have done before. the bottom line is we need to have new safety procedures in place, and that is what the nba is saying right now. i can guarantee every commissioner of every sports league is trying to figure out how they can get past what ultimately could be detrimental if they can't figure out a way to get these games played and keep these players safe at the same time. here's what's interesting, you mentioned the nba, kyrie is now back. kyrie irving is now back as a part-time player for the brooklyn nets, and their philosophy from my understanding is, listen, if you have a vaccine, there's a lot of these players and they're still getting covid, why not let him play. no matter what his status is, which is still question marked undetermined, why not let him play. he's back as a part-time player, and i have to tell you we're in a time where we're just all figuring this out together, and we're watching this in realtime, tiff. >> you know, when you say let him play because if he is unvaccinated, he's endangering his own life and even i know the league is saying, you know, 94 and i think 97% respectively between nba and nfl, their players are vaccinated, to your point about letting kyrie play, i wonder can we trust these numbers? because you remember antonio brown is out here with the fake vaxx card, and i'd imagine people feel a little uncomfortable playing with somebody unvaccinated because you're right, you can still get covid, but the people who are vaccinated will likely not get hospitalized and it's not as severe. so should we trust these numbers? i want you to say more about letting an unvaccinated player play. >> well, one, you should not trust these numbers. i don't believe -- i think the league as well as the players are in cahoots. i think there are some players who are unvaccinated, our guy antonio, i think the teams aware of it. here's what i will say about kyrie. i've heard behind the scenes that kyrie is actually vaccinated. that is not a fact. my point is it may be more for him about the mandate and not necessarily being vaccinated. and i can't talk to his health status, one, i'm not a doctor, and two, quite frankly, no one really knows what he decided to do. i have to believe there are some safety protocols to bring him back. i know their philosophy is players are playing. at the end of the day, you know what they're telling us much like the world tells us, it's about the money. i don't think unvaccinated players should play, but i don't think we know the whole picture. i think they're all in on it together. >> ha is a really good point. i think you might be right there. for our viewers, i've spent some time with cari in hertutelege, i would like to talk about steph curry breaking this record. the three really was a novelty in in the nba. it wasn't necessarily a part of these games. now you have these young players shooting threes all the time. how long do we think that steph curry will hold this record? as awesome as it is, maybe in a decade or so someone else might come along and break a record, and i'd like a little recognition that i know all about three pointers and how they're new to the game so to speak. >> you act as if you don't know sports. you know sports, stop it. >> thank you, thank you. >> sports illustrated awards meeting people explaining their game to them. with that being said -- talk about steph for a secondment he is arguably the most prolific shooter we've ever seen. when he and klay were playing they were the best back court, and i still think they are. the best back court we've ever steen, and most importantly steph does it so easy. like he does it from the logo. he has no problem. he breaks ray allen's record, right? ray allen retired when? he hasn't played in so long, i don't think steph has any room for anybody to catch him. i guarantee someone like charles barkley, i guarantee that no one will break his record. >> really? >> what he has done -- >> yeah. >> ever will break his record? >> i would say another -- give me another 20 years. i think that record's going to hold for a long time. he is still one of the best if not best player in the league playing. he's still in his prime. he doesn't look like he's stopping. what's the best thing about this story is you route for the good guys, and he's definitely one of the good guys. you see him hugging his dad, and then you see ray allen there. it was a huge moment when he broke that record, and everyone knew it was bound to happen, but he's just a very special player. for the folks at home who watched, you know what that meant for him to do that. we all were talking about it. we knew it was happening. it was just a matter of time when it was going to happen and i can't see anybody honestly in my humble opinion breaking that record. >> you certainly know more about it than i do. it is nice to see a good guy win. a lot of people were very happy when he broke that record. congrats to steph curry and thank you so much, cari for joining. i'll be texting you later asking you all my other sports questions. so thanks for getting up early on the west coast to join us this morning. coming up next for our viewers, our ongoing look at one of the biggest and most diverse voting blocks in the country. i have two experts with me to talk about the latino vote. that's after the break, so keep it right here. enture. but super poligrip gives him a tight seal. to help block out food particles. so he can enjoy the game. super poligrip. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! 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>> it's because of the word socialism, among many other factors, right? as geraldo knows better than anyone, latinos voting for republicans isn't a new phenomenon. what is new, tiffany, is the fact that lies and conspiracy theories have become the central platform of republicans, right? that is a new factor, and that is helping them because republicans have figured out what dirty politics means in the sense of how to get latinos, and that is by exploiting one of their biggest and deepest fears and traumas and that is the fear of socialism. they know that what many millions of latinos have in common in this country is one of the very reasons why they come to this country isn't necessarily to flee socialism but to flee a form of authoritarianism, to flee a form of an unbalance of power, and that resonates, and they've tapped into that fear, and they've figured out that the most persuasive way to get them is through fear. when i think about this, i say shame on someone like senator marco rubio. shame on someone like ted cruz who's constantly comparing joe biden to a communist and socialist. to undermine their experience and compare something like cuba to a liberal democracy like the united states, that's why, because lies have become the central platform for republicans. >> and as you know, paolo, we were in miami speaking with a panel of latino voters who talked about that very thing. i want you to take a listen to one of our panelists talk about the role disinformation plays in some of this conservative shift that we're seeing. >> the republicans are reaching out, but as we saw in the past cycles, most of the reaching out involves a lot of disinformation that they're targeting our communities, and then this is a problem because the other side is not reaching out and talking about these problems, informing the voter, informing the hispanic community how our system works, how our elections work. before they come and they just say a bunch of lies and conspiracy theories. >> so geraldo, what role do you think disinformation is playing in some of the shift that we're seeing towards the republican party? >> reporter: it's real. i think it's real, i think it's absolutely happening, and i think that social media companies certainly need to hire more spanish speakers to ferret it out. i think it's also naive for social media companies to think that they're not putting a thumb on the scale of our electoral process by letting this misinformation slide. i will say that, you know, i don't -- i would be cautious about believing that spanish speaking voters are somehow uniquely susceptible to disinformation, and i would also want to think a little bit historically about what the difference is between disinformation and propaganda that has been used for a long time by the nixon campaign, for example, in 1972, but also ten years ago the idea was rampant that barack obama was a socialist. it's not that disinformation or propaganda are new at all. i think it's more thinking about the scale at which it operates now on social media, perhaps it can spread wider, faster and farther. propaganda has been around for a long time, and we need to think about how to continue combatting it. >> we certainly are not suggesting that the latino population is uniquely susceptible to this. we certainly know that's not the case. we just happen to be talking about that population specifically right now, but there's been disinformation campaigns for quite a long time in this country. paola, i want you to take a listen to congressman henry kwa lar talking to issues that drive latino voters and i'll have a question for you on the other side of this soundbite. >> we have a tendency of just looking at immigration issues at the border, and those are important. those are important, but we need to look at the trade, the interchange that we have. before the pandemic we had over 18 million mexicans that would spend over $19 billion in the u.s., restaurants, stores, et cetera, et cetera. >> now, this is relevant because for the third time the senate parliamentarian has nixed immigration in the build back better legislation that has failed. we have to remind people that undocumented immigrants do not vote in this country. however, this is still a huge policy issue in this country, so what role do you think this will play going into midterms next year? and what others will be driving latino voters to the polls? >> so we know, tiffany, that the number one issue has always been the economy, right? and that's the problem that democrats are up against. it's a messaging problem. it's a story telling problem. in this moment, jobs are up with joe biden, wages are up with joe biden and unemployment down, but that's not resonates with latinos. what democrats are up against is a massive, not just a massive disinformation campaign being led by the gop, it is their own internal messaging failure, right? what is completely, completely alarming is that in this moment, right, of history which within one year we've had a failed authoritarian coup, we've had republicans time and time again trying to undermine free and fair elections. in the same year we've had conspiracy theories transform the republican party. what is absolutely unacceptable is that still more latinas believe and are scared of democrats embracing socialism that they are scared of republicans embracing fascism that is a communication problem within the democratic party, and that's what they have to fit going into the -- >> well, if it were up to me, you'd be on this show every weekend. you'll have to come back. i know your saturdays are very busy. and geraldo, i'm so happy you made your "the cross connection" debut this morning. you both will have to come back. we'll be talking about this issue from now until perpetuity as the latino voting block is hugely important. thank you both for being here. coming up, social media phenom and vegan guru tabittabi brown, stay tuned, she's coming up right after the break. g up right after the break help prevent them with downy wrinkleguard. feel the difference with downy. if you wanna look fresh, fresh. you gotta eat fresh. eat fresh. that's why subway bought time in my shampoo ad. to talk about the new baja chicken & bacon. body, bounce, and baja. bounce. eat fresh. bye mom. my helpers abound, i'll need you today. our sleigh is now ready, let's get on our way. a mountain of toys to fulfill many wishes. must be carried across all roads and all bridges. and when everyone is smiling and having their fun i can turn my sleigh north because my job here is done. it's not magic that makes more holiday deliveries to homes in the us than anyone else, it's the hardworking people of the united states postal service. 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we can do that, right? hello there. but you know, "tab time" is a children's show and exactly like you said, although it's geared for 3 to 5, it's for all children and, you know, the child inside of you. but i wanted to do a children's show and bring back the old feeling of like mr. rogers neighborhood, that used to be, you know, what i grew up on. i really wanted to make this show about compassion and love, kindness, help children see themselves so they can see others despite our differences, and my whole goal was to try to heal the world through children. because when we get them to learn together and love together and have fun together, then as they grow up, they'll be adults that still love together and have fun together and be compassionate to each other. so i got great characters that help me do that like my best friend, which is the avocado. we go on an adventure on every episode, and we have a question of the day that's always on my mind. whatever that question is we go on an adventure throughout the episode. soda's all about growing. i like to show kids there's so many different ways to grow, and e all grow in our own time. and so it's just a really good feel good show, and then we always make a snack, we always make craft, and we learn while we have fun. so yeah. >> i love that. i so love that. the viewers are looking at grits on their screen right now. there's infinity for us for those who don't know, that's girls raised in the south. so these grits are having some conversations. i have to tell you, your compassion and the words that you speak on social media, i know that this particular show, "tab time" is for children, but you do have something about you that delivers a testimony. i saw your family the other day saying he may not come when you want him to, but he comes right on time. we feel like we know you. you've had a journey. you started out as an uber driver in l.a. you worked at macy's. so given the compass that and the affinity so many people have for you, a lot of people are going through a hard time. i'm curious your thoughts for those facing challenges this holiday season. >> well, you know, i always tell people allow yourself to female, right? and your feelings are valid, and they are your feelings, right? and so you have to allow yourself to feel. but in the process of doing that, we always must remind ourselves that the feeling and the moment is temporary, and it will pass. no matter how good or bad, it's temporary and it will pass, so you will get through it. just hang on in there. >> i love that and i really love the advice that you give people after your hello there. you always tell people if you're not having a good day, don't you go mess up somebody else's day. i want the viewers to hear it are from you. you're the last guest on this show. as we go to commercial break, what are your thoughts for folks who may not be having a good day, what do you say? >> honey, absolutely. i tell people go on about your business, baby, and have the most amazing day. even if you can't have a good one, don't you dare go messing up everybody else's, hear? >> that is such good advice. when we have more time, the next time i'm in your city, please have me over to try this vegan mac and cheese. i've seen the testimony, but i need to testify on if this is as good as you say. >> oh, my goodness. >> thank you so much for being here. good luck on "tab time." you're doing amazing things. you yourself are a testimony. i'm just fan girling right now having you on the show. thank you so much. you're welcome back here anytime. >> thank you. >> anytime at all, thank you for your success and being a walking talking testimony and for those people across the country who may be going through it. thank you, tabitha brown. coming up tomorrow on the sunday show, congresswoman cori bush and martin luther king ii, will join my friend and colleague jonathan capehart, be sure to tune in 10:00 sunday right here on msnbc. i know i'll be watching. we'll be right back. xfinity rewards are our way of thanking you just for being with us. enjoy rewards like sing family fun nights! rent sing for $1, then belt out all your favorite tunes from the movie with sing karaoke. plus, see sing 2 in theaters with buy-one-get-one free fandango tickets. join over a million members by signing up for free on the xfinity app. our thanks. your rewards. all right, thank you guys for watching at home. that's "the cross connection." time flies when you're trending. thank you so much, twitter, for rocking with us these past two hours. i'll be back next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern for a very special christmas edition of "the cross connection." stay tuned because my friend, alex witt has the latest. hello my beautiful alex. >> i saw that you were going to work on christmas day and have that special show. i'll be tuning in for that. that will be awesome. have a wonderful week. you had a great show, loved watching. >> thank you. thank you. ♪♪ and a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. it is high noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "alex witt reports." we start with an alarming new rise of covid cases likely driven by the omicron variant. we're now learning the risk of reinfection of the highly transmissible omicron strain is more than five times higher and it has shown no sign of being milder than delta. that's according to a new study. as covid cases surge across the country, experts are saying the u.s. booster effort is far behind. right now onl

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