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replied, quote, i love it. there's also a january 5th email about having the national guard on standby. it could have been succeeded if not for some republican and state local elections officials joining democrats in refusing to overturn the will of the voters. in a most-read piece in "the atlantic," martin gelman writes, for mothers a year now republicans have been building an apparatus for election theft. elections officials in arizona, texas, georgia, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, and other states have studied donald trump's crusade to steal the election. some of them have rewritten statutes to seize partisan control of decisions about which ballots to count and which results to certify and which to reject. they are driving out or stripping power from election officials who refused to go along with the plot last november, aiming to replace them with exponents of the big lie. they are fine-tuning a legal argument that purports to allow state legislators to override the choice of the voters. that brings us to another must-read in "the atlantic," this one by tim alberta, entitled "the freshman." it focuses on freshman gop congressman peter meyer who voted to impeach trump over january 6th. he was formally censured by republicans in his district. the next month, as other local parties across michigan were debating similar reprimands of both meijer and fred upton, the state goff chair joked that assassination was one way of dealing with them. the criticism back home was unceasing. the only praise he received was whispered. tens of millions of republican voters still believe the election had been stolen and one of those voters was meijer's own sister. what's worse, he sees trump inspiring copycats, some of them far smarter who might succeed where trump failed. first, to nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell. leigh ann, these text messages to mark meadows are pretty explosive. >> reporter: yeah, katy, what we found out from meadow's attorney is there have already been documents and text messages that meadows has provided to the committee and a lot of them were explosive and it gave them a lot of insight into what happened and where meadows was on the entire issue on january 6th leading up to it and the days after. so those were received by the committee in the short amount of time that meadows was cooperating. now we know that meadows is not cooperating, so that the committee has indicated to meadows' attorney that they are going to move forward with these criminal contempt proceedings and a referral to the department of justice. but in speaking with members of the committee as well, the leader of the committee, bennie thompson, indicated that another option perhaps is providing meadows immunity in case he was to plead the fifth, if he does decide to cooperate. so there are some options that the committee has. but the committee has to make a decision here. do they want to go through these criminal contempt proceedings and referring it to the department of justice where they will get no information from meadows, because the doj cannot compel meadows to cooperate? or do they think meadows is so important to their investigation that they are going to try to pressure him and work with him in other ways in order to get this information? we should learn more in the coming days on how the committee plans to operate, katy. >> leigh ann caldwell at the capitol, thank you very much. joining me to talk about everything i just read to you, "atlantic" staff writers martin gelman and tim alberta. gentlemen, i've only scratched the surface, everybody should go out and read your pieces because they are explosive and interesting. january 6th was just practice, that's the title of your piece. explain to us why you believe that. >> there are two main through lines on the piece. you could look at january 6th as a one-time event, as the culminating moment in a chaotic time period. but that's not the way it seems to me. donald trump has created a very large, tens of millions strong group of people who believe both that joe biden stole the presidency and that violence is justified in order to restore him to office. that is an explosive force in american politics that has the great majority of republican elected leaders afraid of their own base, which is what tim portrays with so much subtlety and sophistication in his piece in "the atlantic." the other thing that's going on with the january 6th anniversary is that republicans are methodically going through all the ways that trump tried to overthrow the last election and got thwarted and they are trying to clear the path so that he can do it again successfully next time. and so when you have a state election official who carried out his duty faithfully and certified biden's victory, these republican operatives are censoring the official, driving them out of office, restricting their powers, primarying them, so that a proponent of the big lie will be in charge next time a decision has to be made. >> tim, your piece tries to help us understand what's happening within the republican party, through the eyes of this freshman representative who was only in office for a handful of days before the insurrection happened. what is going on? >> katy, obviously bart's piece sort of lays the foundation for, as he explained, not just what has taken place, but why it was so important in sort of establishing a precedent, and then sort of in many ways sanctioning or authorizing republicans at the ground level to go and make these sort of mechanical changes to the ways in which our elections are carried out in this country. and so what sort of partners with that is the story of republican lawmakers at the federal level particularly, who are in a position now where they see what played out on january 6th. they see what played out in the weeks that followed obviously with the impeachment of donald trump, the second impeachment of donald trump, but then also with the way that the ten house republicans who did vote to impeach, the treatment they received. there was really a feeling, katy, i can say this, you know, from reporting on it with some authority back in the immediate aftermath of the attack on the capitol, that any number of republicans who ultimately decided to not vote for the president's impeachment, even some of them believed at that time that there was really an inflection point at hand in the party and that there was going to be a big swing of momentum behind those who did vote to impeach the president. and those folks -- and not to mention, obviously, the folks who did vote to impeach trump, they now look back at that wondering how they were so naive, how they got it so wrong, because if anything, and this is what is most alarming in they of this, the folks who did hold the president accountable for his actions, they have suffered consequences far greater politically and otherwise than the people who voted to delegitimize the results of the election itself. and that's something that i think we haven't even really still fully processed, because it just doesn't quite add up. but that's the reality right now. >> you're right about how so many lawmakers ended up changing their votes in the aftermath of january 6th to not certify the election because they were afraid. they saw what trump supporters could do and it scared them, it scared them personally and scared them for their families as well. i guess when you have a body of people who are in power, who are afraid, the question is what can you then get away with if you are a nefarious actor. when we looked at what happened on january 6th, the run-up to january 6th with donald trump, bart, the lawyers that he had and the lawsuits that were filed were a laughingstock. people laughed at them for their attempt to do so. they stopped laughing at january 6th, but they still look at the legal attempt quite comically. will those same lawyers be in place next time, or has donald trump upgraded? >> donald trump and the republican party have upgraded their legal game. and they have a new strategy with a doctrine called independent state legislature. let's just back up for just the foundation of it, is that republicans control the statehouse and state senate in many of the most competitive presidential states, in many of the most competitive races. and the states were biden won and made all the difference, like georgia, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, arizona, all of those are governed by strong republican majority in the statehouse and senate. and the legal doctrine that trump and his people are pushing now says that the state legislature is supreme. the state legislature can appoint any electors that it likes, whether or not the people voted for it. so this is what trump was trying to do in those final climactic moments on january 6th and what meadows apparently was texting about in the new revelations from the committee, which is to have the state legislature say we're firing our voters. it doesn't matter that they voted for biden. we are going to appoint electors for trump instead. and there is a respectable legal argument that's being deployed in that direction now. and several supreme court justices have signaled their interest in it. >> that's the question on the guardrails, is there somebody to push back on this. i guess, tim, when you think about all that could happen in 2024 and the way that bart lays out how state legislatures could overturn the will of the people and appoint their own electors, they're writing it into law now and there are arguments that can be made to the supreme court to support that, after reading the constitution very conservatively. my question, though, is are republicans who are currently in power going to go along with this, are they going to sit back and say, yeah, i might have supported this rhetoric before but now are they actually going to go along with overturning the will of the people? >> katy, this is why i wanted to focus on peter meijer in this story. i think he is representative of something much larger that's going on here in our politics. this is a guy, again, it was his third day at work when there were insurgents laying siege to the capitol and he was trying to find the bathroom, that's how new he was. and he felt of course that it was the right thing to do to vote to impeach the president a week later. and yet, what i try to document in the piece is how the forces that are on the other side of this rather existential struggle for american democracy are so powerful and how they are gaining so much momentum that even for someone like meijer who believed that he was doing the right thing and for the right reasons, he has been, as i write about in the piece, somewhat chastened by this and had begun to sort of second-guess himself, not necessarily his decision to impeach but how he prosecuted the argument against trump and whether he was not only alienating and antagonizing his own voters unnecessarily but putting his future career prospects at risk, and he began to dial things back. it's that chilling effect that's worth understanding, because if it can happen to someone like meijer who had the integrity to vote to uphold the election results and to impeach the president, if he had the integrity to do those things in the first place but then was sort of spooked a little bit and forced to recalibrate and think, well, okay, how do i handle this moving forward, how does that then play for not just the other members of congress but as bart said, these hundreds and hundreds of state lawmakers who, you know, in places like michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, arizona, texas, all of these state lawmakers who are going to be the subject of a ferocious lobbying blitz, very likely in a couple of years, from grassroots activists all the way up to, you know, president trump, former president trump and his lawyers, who are telling them yes, you do have the authority to override the will of your voters in your states. that's i think the great question here. and if you are to look at a test case like a peter meijer or for that matter any number of the other folks, anthony gonzalez from ohio who voted to impeach, who has recently announced he's going to retire from congress because he was no longer willing to deal with all of the threats and the craziness. adam kinzinger who of course was must most vocal proponents of upholding the election results and prosecuting president trump, he's decided to retire from congress. so you can look at some of this and fairly question whether any of these republican lawmakers at the state level will have the stomach to hold the line here in 2024. >> that's exactly how i read your piece about meijers -- or meijer, excuse me. thank you very much, we've only scratched the surface of this. there's a ton to talk about including steps that could be taken to avoid this sort of outcome. but we'll have to leave it there for today. bart and tim, thank you again, everybody go read their pieces, long but very much worth it. ahead, good vaccine news in the face of omicron. and later, the head of instagram is in front of congress to try and explain why he thinks his app is not harmful for teens. and a colorado winter without snow. more than 200 days without so much as a flake. i'm still wowed by what's next. even with higher stroke risk due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin,... i want that. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily... or take longer for bleeding to stop. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, or unusual bruising. it may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. the number one cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner. ask your doctor about eliquis. the snapshot app from progressive rewards you for driving safe and driving less. okay, what message did you hear this time? 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>> katy, i'll take good news, especially when it comes to a variant we're watching globally. but with cautious. they took blood from patients who were immunized with two or three doses and used that lab to neutralize reproduction of the omicron virus in a lab setting, basically in a petri dish, if you will. we know from earlier experiments that that doesn't necessarily correlate to real world effectiveness. but this is great news. katy, it felt like two months ago we didn't even have footing on whether she should get boosters or not. that's shifted incredibly, including with this data. >> i remember having a conversation with you about it, and omicron appeared and i got my booster the next day. sam, let's talk about hospitalizations. what sort of i guess symptoms are hospitals seeing where you are? >> they're seeing record numbers right now, katy. in michigan they just surpassed around 4,400 people hospitalized with covid. three out of the four patients in michigan right now that are hospitalized have not been vaccinated. 87% of those in the icu with covid have not been vaccinated. 30 plus states across the country right now are seeing an increase in hospitalizations from covid with lack of total vaccination driving that, and especially the delta variant. imagine the relief right now in finding out that for pfizer, they do believe that their vaccine will be able to combat the omicron variant. there is this massive difference with the booster being the key between shot two and shot three. you would essentially be receiving an antibody production level about 25 times greater by getting that booster. if that is not a convincing argument right now, and you mentioned you just got yours, to go out and get a booster shot, there you have it on a silver platter. earlier today dr. anthony fauci said it's very likely that the moderna numbers will look a lot like the pfizer numbers. certainly i will defer to dr. patel on this. simply because of the fact that they're both implementing mrna technology to try to protect you against infection, katy. >> what about those, dr. patel, who just are not going to get vaccinated, don't want to, are evading mandates or ignoring mandates, what do you do if they get sick or hospitalized? >> i try every day to keep talking to people because it does matter. over time, as we're watching numbers, and katy, people want to have parts of their life come back to normal. and you show them that with a vaccine, that can expose you to the good parts of getting vaccinated, meaning you can participate in restaurants and activities and hang out with family without any masks. so what i will also tell you is that all of us are taking care of people and trying to be very judicious about when we can use monoclonal antibodies. we have so many people, to sam's point, who are getting positives and some end up in hospitals. we're also eagerly awaiting on fda action on two antiviral pills, merck which went through a review and had a somewhat positive committee vote, and pfizer's, which hasn't received any advisory committee meeting yet. those pills can also be big game changers for vaccinated but especially unvaccinated individuals. the bottom line is if you're unvaccinated, you're playing a bit of a gambling game, when will you get infected and will our current vaccines at that time be effective. we're safe, somewhat, with omicron, but katy, there will be other variants and vaccines make the most sense to protect against them. >> let me talk about the therapeutics. from what i understand, they need to be taken relatively early on in the illness. if you're the kind of person who isn't going to get a vaccine, i'm wondering if you get sick, that you're also going to not take these pills that have emergency approval. >> people think of the pills, and it's the same thing with people who called me early on and wanted prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin which had no foundation and continues to have no foundation in science to prevent or prescribe. i do think there's somewhat of this political alignment for reasons i still don't understand. vaccines seem to be a toxic subject. but for some of those individuals, taking a pill seems to be more palatable and it feels like that's something i've seen more and more with vaccinated people. even though the fda hasn't authorized or approved these antiviral treatments in pill form, we're getting a lot of calls asking for prescriptions technically from unvaccinated patients. >> it's good to know people can get helped if they need the help but it's so frustrating that they won't get help beforehand. dr. kavita patel, thank you very much. sam brock, thank you as well. coming up, a facebook whistle-blower says the company's own data shows instagram hurts teenagers. so how will the head of instagram explain himself to lawmakers? 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changes that the platform is making. it rolled out a number of features or at least announced them yesterday that included things like limiting contact between adults and teenagers on the platform. a new take or break feature that would make it such that if you scroll for too long or in the wrong way it will suggest you put it down for a while. and new parental controls. the idea that parents should have a stronger hand in this stuff. now, we've been talking to experts all week leading up to this, katy, just to find out why is it that children are such an important market for instagram, why would they go after young people, especially in a climate where there is so much regulation being considered around it. and we spoke to a leading researcher into this question, and he told us this about parallel forms of the industry. have a listen. >> this is not new. conveyors of nondigital products have learned that you build loyalty early on. children eat cheerios as toddlers and continue to eat them as adults. children develop loyalty to a brand of potato chips or corn chips and it's lifelong. advertisers have known this for a long time. loyalties are built early and built a lot more easily because the resistance that can be offered by young children is much easier to overcome. >> katy, we saw in the facebook papers that were leaked to nbc news and others that the company, instagram, is determined to try to make children a big part of their future because children as a consumer base are the way that you build a pipeline for your product. the problem here as he and other experts point out is we don't really know what the long term effects will be on children. if they displace the other things they do in their young life and replace it with only this highly curated, highly saturated medium, what will it do to their brains? it's that kind of thing along with an update on behavior of kids that we'll hear about today. >> cheerios don't make you feel bad about yourself or cause 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today's opening the prosecution told jurors potter was too experienced to make such a fatal mistake. >> we expect them not to betray their badge. and we expect them to uphold their oath. we trust them to know wrong from right and left from right. this case is about an officer who knew not to get it dead wrong. but she failed to get it right. >> potter's defense countered that it was a chaotic moment. >> she couldn't let him leave because he was going to kill her partner. she says taser, taser, taser, and pulls the trigger believing it was the taser. she realizes what happened, much to her everlasting and unending regret. she made a mistake. this was an accident. she's a human being. >> let's go right now into the trial and listen to the mother of daunte wright. >> after daunte jr. -- was daunte jr. eventually released from the hospital? >> yes. >> did he maintain his relationship with daunte jr.? >> he did. >> tell the jury about that relationship. >> he was very proud to be a father. he was also a worried dad, just because he was premature, about him sleeping, because he did sleep a lot as a premature baby, he was really worried about that. he would play with him. he would do everything that a father needs to do for his child. he would -- he was an amazing dad. >> so ms. bryant, and take your time, please, i'm going to ask you some questions about april 11th of this year, okay? could you tell the jury what you were doing that day? >> i had daunte jr. he stayed the night. it was just an average day. and we woke up, he had his favorite chocolate chip pancakes and he was eating breakfast, watching cocoa melon, and it was time for his nap that was around 12 something that afternoon. >> were you watching daunte jr. by yourself for part of that day? >> yes. >> did you end up seeing your son daunte later on in the day? >> i did. >> could you describe that interaction for the jury, please. >> daunte had came home in the afternoon and i was laying daunte jr. down. he knocked on the bedroom door and he asked -- he asked for $50 because he wanted to go get a car wash and he said he needed gas. and i told him to be really quiet, take it out of my purse. so he took it out of the purse. he leaned over the bed, he gave daunte jr. a kiss goodbye. i yelled at him again, please don't wake him up, i just got him asleep. then he left. i told him to make sure he locks the door on the way out. >> so you indicated that your son daunte wright was on his way to get a car wash and had gotten some money for you for that. what was the car that your son daunte wright was driving? >> a white 2011 buick lacrosse. >> was that daunte's car? >> yes. >> and how did that come to be? >> it was one of our older vehicles. it was in my other son's name. but we ended up giving it to him as his first car, two weeks before he was killed. >> and when you say giving it to him, was he the only one who was driving the car in that two-week period? >> yeah, he was the only one that had access, that he had a key to the car. it was his. >> was the car still registered to your other son? >> it was still registered to my son dallas. yes, it was still registered to dallas. >> and what about the insurance on that car? >> we did not transfer over insurance yet. so we were going to add it to our current insurance policy. >> that hadn't been done yet? >> no. >> on april 11th, did you go into that car, have any interaction with daunte in that car? >> no, i did not. >> and had you been in that car or driven that car, used that car, in that two-week period prior? >> no, i have not. >> okay. so getting back to april 11th, after daunte, your son daunte wright, took money to get a car wash, what happened after that? >> he called a little -- probably about ten minutes after he left the house and he asked me what car wash we usually go to because we have a specific car wash we go to at the university. and i told him that. and he was like, well, you know, isn't there one in brooklyn park? and i said, well, yeah, i think it's mr. car wash. and he said he was going to go to that car wash. >> again, that is katie bryant, the mother of daunte wright, obviously very emotional testifying about the details of daunte wright's car in the trial of his death. joining me now from outside the courthouse in minneapolis is nbc news correspondent shaquille brewster. shaquille, just a mention, that prosecutor looks familiar to a lot of people because she was the same prosecutor in the derek chauvin case, her them is erin eldridge. this trial just started, there were opening statements today, and this is the prosecution's first witness. >> reporter: the very first witness is the mother of 20-year-old daunte wright. and youknow, often in these cas when the victim has died or the person when daept wright the victim has died in this case, there is a so-called spark of life witness and katie is acting in that role at the spark of life witness, someone who can speak to the type of person he was, his character can kind of give that personal touch to him. she has the uniqueness of being a factual witness in this case. she was the person he was on the phone with when the interaction was happening between him and kim potter, the former officer now on trial for manslaughter that she is facing. so we're getting a sense of both the personal touch and the personality of daunte wright, the person lost. we are also getting facts here with our testimony. katie you mentioned today started with opening statements. both sides laid out a road map for what we can expect to play out as we go through the course of the trial. for the prosecution, they're saying that kim potter, this veteran officer should have known better, that she was trained better than to reach for her gun instead of her taser. i want you to lives a little of what this prosecutor said in making her opening statement. >> she was trained to be aware of the differences between her gun and her taser. and importantly, she was also trained about the risk of pulling the wrong weapon. and that drawing and firing the wrong weapon could kill someone. >> now the defense in their opening statements, they've previewed who we can expect to see, including the former police chief of brooklyn center. they're saying this was an accident. that she intended to reach for her taser, instead, got her gun. they say if she surrendered to officer, he would be still alive this trial is expected to last about two weeks. up next, a blizzard in half and 230 days without snow in colorado. our climate is changing. changi. when you switch to t-mobile and bring your own device, we'll pay off your phone up to $1000. you can keep your phone. keep your number. and get your employees connected on the largest and fastest 5g network. plus, we give you $200 in facebook ads on us! so you can reach more customers, create more opportunities, and finish this year strong. visit your local t-mobile store today. denver is dry. 230 days without snow. the longest try spell since the 1,800s and the first time without any snow at all this late in the season. the rocky mountains are also struggling without snowfall. not just to fill ski resorts but to ease the drought and feed the colorado river. joining me now from avon, colorado, is nbc news correspondent cal perry. cam, it would be a lot more fun out there if we can go skiing. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. you said it, our climate is changing. our climate has changed, whether you look at the water levels in lake meade, lowest ever, for the shocking details, it's forcing people to take look at an old method of trying to make it snow and rain more. the mile-high city is bone dry. >> kind of scary, i'm not going to lie. >> reporter: breaking records, it has not snowed at all this winter. put another way, it hasn't snowed in 231 days. >> we've always had snow issues out west. >> reporter: it's not just denver, the otherwise picturesque rocky mountain resort towns are mostly bare. only 7% of its ter vain currently accessible. that's 25 of 317 trails, only six of 33 lifts are opened. come here to the dylan reservoir, where denver gets its water, it's clear, this is not just a weather story, it's a climate story about the west which is got middle of a water crisis. for the first time ever earlier this year the federal government declared a water shortage on the colorado river. all of this brings him to the top of the rockies. he's a senior water resource specialist with the colorado river water conservation district. they call it mild seating or weather modification, blacking silver iodide into the sky to improve a cloud's ability do make snow. they say as much as 2 to 12% more per storm. >> this is moisture in the cloud that would not fall out normally. i use the analogy of squeezing the sponge. you get more out of every storm. every drop counts, it matters. >> reporter: not just on the ground, these programs extend to aircraft. here it's partially paid for by down river states that desperately needs the water. >> state funding comes from lower basin states, california, nevada, they supply a significant amount of funds. that's the first throughout all the programs. not just this one. >> reporter: how important do you think this will be going forward? >> i think it's another tool supply. it's measured in years and decades rather than individual storms, if have you ask me? it's a long-term project. the drought does not, maybe makes it more of a concern. we're still doing it in wet years, in dry years. >> reporter: that snow pack feeds the colorado river. the colorado river feeds america's big western city. 40 million people rely on the water that originates from that snow pack. it is vanishing certain times of years. this is why this program, 2 to 12% more in storms could be billions at a time when we are having a water crisis and a major drought. >> major cities. we relied on it in los angeles. still do. cal, thank you very much. that will do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. 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