interpreting what the constitution says or doesn't say about abortion, but lurking just below the surface, that already fraught debate are questions about other rights experts say could be implicated if the high court overturns its landmark roe decision including access to contraception and the legality of same-sex marriage. during oral arguments justice sonia sotomayor warned the high court could not survive the, quote, stench overturning roe, arguing that it would further erode public trust in the institution. she also warned of the weak edge of other rights protected by the constitution. >> in casey and in roe the court said there is inherent in our structure that there are certain personal decisions that belong to individuals and the states can't intrude on them. we have recognized that sense of privacy in people's choices about whether to use contraception or not. we recognized it in their right to choose who they're going to marry. i fear none of those things are written in the constitution. they have all, like marbury versus madison been discerned from the construct of the constitution. >> joining us to discuss well beyond abortion care, dr. law, and michelle goodwin and nbc civil rights attorney, i was able to watch both you and michelle nodding very much in agreement with the justice. talk to me about both what this is going to mean for those seeking abortion care, but also if they got roe, which other rights are at stake here? >> well, look, the bottom line is justice sotomayor is exactly right, that when we're talking about the precedent that -- there are two things going on here being the precedent saying privacy and fundamental right to control your own body, right? those are very important court issues, and we heard justices on the supreme court like justice thomas saying, but really, it's not in the constitution and therefore, there really is no right. >> well, if that is true, and if that is the direction they go and if they say you don't really have that kind of privacy, right? that folks like people who are of the same sex who get married. there was a finding of a fundamental right to marriage equality as a result of a lot of fighting by advocates to get this case the supreme court and finally get it upheld, and that's at risk and the other part of this that i think is so important to understand is, we don't know how justices will slap lipstick on the pig of the opinion that we might get, but there are so many implications even to what it means to have a precedent because one of the things that was so disturbing is that justice alito, and this argument was in the brief, mississippi's brief of talking about history and tradition in terms of whether or not you can overrule precedent and what they were really saying is there's not a history or tradition of abortion in this country. justice alito asks about what courts were doing in 1868 and 1869. i mean, if that's really a litmus test over whether you can overrule a fundamental right then there are all kinds of things we have to worry about including civil rights and racial justice because guess what? we did not have a lot of rights based in 1969. >> i want you to invite on this question of precedent, what you heard justice sotomayor whether or not they could support the stench and the politicization of the court itself and what that would mean for the american people? >> well, the court is already suffering under the public skepticism about its legitimacy. this is the reason why justice roberts has to come out a few years ago and say that there are no such things as trump justices or judges and obama judges or justices because donald trump had made very clear that through the way in which he was nominating judges, it was a very clear, political and partisan type of way of doing that. this push the hand of the chief justice to say that we don't play in that way, although the public's not buying it and really when you look at just what this court represents in the legacy of privacy and autonomy with reproductive health, it's far off the path. let's remember, 1973 roe v. wade. it's a 7-2 opinion. it's not close. five of those justices were republican appointed. justice blackman who wrote the opinion in roe was appointed by richard nixon. what we see today is a very different type of court that has very partisan leanings and it's hard not to see it in that way for many in the public. >> you know, maya earlier this year justice sotomayor said, quote, there will be a lot of disappointment in the law. hard to know if she was being clairvoyant and about her stent and talk to me about what the role is she'sing if to be playing where she is decided. >> first, she was playing a very important role in the argument, through speaking to the court through the questions of her attorneys about what was at stake. that was her point and very very powerful and pointed word of stench, right? that immediately could call people's attention to the fact that there was something really smelly here, and her point was dead on because in this case and part of what she's pointing out is the inconsistencies, and this isn't rational. this is really about -- at one point she says how is this not about religious belief, right? so whether we're protecting a woman's fundamental right to control her body or giving into religious beliefs, she's being very clear in sharpening what's at stake, and just to add on to the point about her stench comment, this is not a small thing. mississippi itself in this case, originally was not going directly after roe v. wade. it wasn't until the balance of the supreme court shifted into the favor of conservatives because of donald trump. that they started going directly for roe. it was political from the beginning in terms of whether they felt they could count the votes and justice roberts himself and the institutionalist and the person who said i will uphold precedent because that's what we do, he is the one who ignored precedent in his question saying well, does a woman really have the right to choose if it's 15 weeks versus 24 weeks? >> well, that actually is ignoring the precedent, really pretty explicitly and in a way that he said precedent was, which is judges not replacing their personal views and that's what they'll do if they do what we think they will. >> when it comes to the core question of privacy, and part of the reason i wanted to talk to you is i wonder as a bioethicist and is the potential that you see here that the rest of us do not see. >> many alarming things that haven't been a part of public discourse. we can see that it's abortion and quite alarming especially when you consider certain key core facts such as a person is 14 times more likely to die in the united states by carrying a pregnancy to term just as someone spoke to that in the 1916 case. that science is irrefutable. we know for black women, it's more likely two and a half to three times more likely to die, and in some communities especially where there are abortion bans that a black woman may be ten times more likely than her counterpart to die than carrying a preg nance toe term. that's when we're just talking about abortion, but these cases extend beyond that, right? we're talking about contraception access. a few years ago, in the hobby lobby case, where tpz are it was an person wrote by justice alito, he said corporations could have religious views and if part of the religious views are to deflate contraception with employees they can deny employees access to contraception. ing some else we're not talking about. access to sex education, something that was not controversial in the 1970s and '80s helping children understand their bodies and replaced by abstinence only, if that, and it's important to understand where the u.s. sits along all of those wives. >> -- other diseases can lead to cancers later on. the united states ranked 54th in the world in terms of maternal health and safety and it's even more devastating in states like mississippi, louisiana, texas that have these abortion bans. in effect what we're talking about is at least half of the population, their health and even death happens to be at risk and this is not hyperbole. this is not being extremist and this is what the science tells us and i'm happy to see these issues at the show because we need to bring light to exactly what is at stake in these cases. >> michelle, speaking of bringing attention and raising your voice, you had a very powerful op ed in the new york times about your own experience and the way in which this is very personal to you. i want to ask to share about what is this all going to mean for survivors. beth the technology which is giving some attention to in the mess miss case, in both of those states they've enacted abortion bans that provide no exceptions for cases of rape and incest. tip like in the past even for the most conservative of lawmakers that would have been going too far. now that it's been normalized in both of these states and again it's a cruel proposition. it's frankly immoral to think that a 10-year-old or 11-year-old to carry a pregnancy of a person who raped her, be it a stranger or a member of her family. this is something that is just simply unfathomable and when you think about it, there are very few instances, virtually none where the state says we now take ownership or we now take possession of your body and we force you to do something. we got rid of the draft in the united states. we said we can't send young men off to war. we'll pay you if you go off and represent us in iraq, afghanistan or some place else. we don't force people to become police officers. it could be good, perhaps. we don't force people to be firefighters. none of that, but in this instance, somehow these legislatures think that it's appropriate that they can force children to carry pregnancies for nine months just as amy coney barrett seems to think that's okay and afterwards there could be adoption. it's really cruel, and i want to call to mind not just the cases like roe 1973 and where conservative justices understood that that was fringe and simply inconsistent with where people understood things but in 1966 dr. king received an award from planned parenthood and wrote a stunning speech about how it was cruel to force a person to carry pregnancies that they did not desire and did not want. i think there's something to be said about looking to the past to inform the present. >> michelle goodwin, maya wiley, you are the two women i wanted to speak to. thank you for making the time. >> america's dysfunctional relationship with guns and what a video from inside that michigan school says about the reality for a new generation of kids and this time the gunman's parents facing legal charges. why that could be a breakthrough moment. also ahead, the new omicron variant is spreading. why access to vaccines and masks and testing is more critical than ever and remaining in mexico, how the biden administration can help refugees trying to come to the country. i'm just getting started here on "american voices." as a professional bull-rider i'm used to taking chances. but when it comes to my insurance i don't. i use liberty mutual, they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. wooo, yeaa, woooooo and, by switching you could even save 665 dollars. hey tex, can someone else get a turn? 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>> it is rare. you know, we're watching this case very closely. we are very heartened that the prosecutor there wants accountability for these parents who were giving easy access to a semiautomatic handgun to a 15-year-old, and so it's really important that that accountability happens, and it's also important that other policymakers and lawmakers act in the wake of a shooting. only 23 states in washington, d.c., currently have what we call secure storage laws in effect which essentially hold gun owners accountable for keeping guns locked and unloaded and separate from ammunition. these laws are non-political, they're non-partisan and should be noncontroversial and every lawmaker in the country should be thinking about how to enact these laws at a federal and state level as soon as possible. >> i don't know how you listen to this story, shannon, and shannon doesn't listen to the story and know that multiple systems broke down in this process and multiple people ignored warning signs and not sufficiently respond to warning signs that were there. what responsibility does that school now have? >> look. we are talking so much about what school officials or even law enforcement could do. once the shooting situation unfolded. what we should be focused on is how do we proactively stop guns from getting into schools in the first place? there are many things that we can do. there are laws shown by data to work that are effective. so, for example, red flag laws. we passed these now in 19 states. we were talking about warning signs. these laws allow families or police or in some instances even educators to petition a judge or a temporary restraining order that remove it to someone who is a risk for themselves and they can assess the threat. michigan doesn't have a red flag law. the other secure scourge laws, michigan does not have a secure storage law and we need to make sure that the counselor to student ratio is higher than it is now. warning sign, when you're a parent, these officials are trained to make sure that those warning signs are flagged for others and that they're acted on. there's so much we could be doing as opposed to waiting for the next shooting and how do people act reactively. >> you talk about michigan and the laws that are on the books in michigan, when something like this happens, does it change the contours of the way that a state's politics, political body looks at these issues? unfortunately, you and i have sat here too many times and had this same conversation, but there's a federal piece of this, and the state piece of this. does this drive home the need for change? is there anyone listening? >> well, being look, this is not a polarizing issue. the vast majority of americans support common sense gun laws like the ones we just talked about like a background check on every gun sale, and i think we have to take a step back further and look at the culture of this country, right? the gun lobby for decades has glorified gun usage and marketed guns to children. i don't know if you saw the nra tweet two days ago, but they were showing santa putting ammunition on his christmas list. this is a culture that has played out in this country, and michigan is certainly not immune to that. we have seen armed extremists showing up at a state house there and at elected officials' homes. that is certainly part of the problem. what we need is for americans to get off of the side lines and to make it a voting issue, to make sure they're voting for gun sense candidates. this changes when we hold our lawmakers accountable. we have to start making sure that this is a policy priority for every single lawmaker in this country. >> shannon watts, as always, thank you for your time. the new face of the republican party and why the party's leaders won't speak out against their racist comments. first world problems. why the richest countries might regret their policies on vaccines in the developing world. stay with us. nt farmers claim forgiveness... 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republicans, you have radicals and extremists in the republican party, people like lauren boebert who has been arrested more than any other congress person, a person who has talked about law and order and who has ignored court orders and a person whose husband exposed himself to a bowling alley and matt gaetz, mr. family values, being investigated madison cawthorn who beats up trees and when he's not beating up trees he has been credibly accused of a sexual assault and who, by the way, told his viewers and audience, be armed and dangerous after the rittenhouse verdict, and marjorie taylor greene who believes in jewish space lasers that are causing wildfires and today, she compared cancer to coronavirus, realizing that basically she doesn't understand cancer, how cancer works because it's not contagious and 60,000 people wo die of cancer every year, how come we haven't shut down the government or the schools or this country over cancer. that's because cancer is not contagious or passed down and you can take a vaccine to protect yourself against coronavirus. this is the base and the present and future of the republican party and democrats can learn from the bad faith politics and messaging and make this base the hate squad, the fascist five, the kkk caulk u the goldieglocks as representative of the future of the gop and what will happen in this country if they get power. >> raj, i want to know how long you spent brainstorming that list of names when i come back to you, and jean makes a similar argument, representatives lauren boebert and marjorie taylor greene are often fringe figures on the theorizing on everything from september 11th to mass shootings, but it may prove more accurate to regard them as a vanguard of sorts, as leading indicators of the future direction of a certain kind of right-wing politics that will continue gaining adherence and intensity. jean, i wonder if you agree because it feels to me like you've been trying to ring the alarm on this dating back to your work on stephen miller. >> exactly, they're not fringe. they're saying out loud for what most people in the republican party think and as i wrote in my l.a. times column, they reflected gop that's trumpier than trump as far as the brutality and as far as the trolling and the performance, politics is performance. performance of cruelty and performance of bullying and not of politics and of making policies to make lives better and the collective good and it's about riling people up and using this kind of hate to, you know, fund raise as raj appointed out in his column and they're desperate to be as famous as aoc and ilhan omar and they're using this to get more attention, but they're also at the same time riling up further extremism in this country, and that's what the republican party is all about now. this has been normal in the republican party since before the trump administration. it's something that has been building since the '90s really in southern california when you had the anti-immigrant governorship of pete wilson and we need to regard it as such, as the future of the republican party and the present of the republican party where you have paul gosar making videos of himself or putting out videos of himself killing aoc and the entire republican party rallies around him and protects him and defends him and thinks this is normal. >> i think of california and the swingback that fundamentally re-shaped that state, as a result. it is a different time. it is a different environment and a different media ecosystem and the issue of how to punish blatant racism and islamophobia is thornier, and by that i mean speaker pelosi acknowledged that holding people like boebert accountable is challenging because she knows they're doing it for the publicity. they are doing it to make themselves bigger names. how do democrats and how does the media deal with stuff like that in a way that doesn't turn these people into even bigger celebrities? >> you can't have these -- both sides false equivalents and you have to name something for what it is. you can't see them like normal folks. what would happen if boebert said it against catholics and against jews and islamophobia and bigotry is the last bastion for bigots. i am disappointed that democratic leadership did not take the cue of aoc and publicly strip her of committees. they should strip her of committees not just for her comments on ilhan omar, which she doubled down on, and also for support of the oath keepers and the violent insurrection and the fact that she flouts this metal detection. boebert has never met a gun she didn't want to marry and make love to. black folks and muslims and the democratic party is tokenizing us and the centrist voter that drinks real coffee and has not voted for them in the 1950s and forget the '90s and i'm talking about the strategy in the '50s and '60s and instead will, have the virginia election of terry mcauliffe and they blame the squad. some people blame the squad for that loss. it was terry ran a weak campaign. so they're internalizing this language and this type of bad faith attacks on the squad to win over some white voters and not realizing that it's affecting the rest of us and it is a losing messaging because instead they have to flip the script and attack them for being radicals and extremists and if you're not telling people that, you are losing. >> raj, his book is currently available for pre-order and jean, thank you both so much. when we return, the omicron variant and what real vaccine equity can do to slow the spread. in our next hour the trump remain in mexico policy is going back into place. what that means for the refugees stuck on the other side of the border and the advocates who are fighting for them. as much as you do, like this guy in a hat. that's why progressive car insurance covers your pets for up to $1,000 if they're ever in a car accident with you. this mini majorette's gonna march her way right into your 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could be contributing to the emergence of new variants. the u.s. are giving out booster shots while other countries struggle to get access to a single dose. the biden administration is sending 9 million doses to africa. the president pledging to send more than 200 million vaccines abroad in 1en days. this is all in response to the emergence of the new omicron variant which was first detected in south africa and now in at least 11 united states. roughly 10% of the continent has received at least one dose compared to 61% of north america and 62% of europe. joining me now is nbc contributor dr. uche blackstock. really big picture, we're not going to get out from under this until we look at this as a global challenge. >> exactly. until we seriously and aggressively global vaccine inequity this pandemic will go on forever, essentially. you know, rich countries or rather high income countries have essentially hoarded the majority of the vaccine. they've made agreements with vaccine manufacturers that are essentially preventing the prespies and technologies for these vaccines to be able to be shared with low and middle income countries. and that's why we're seeing the emergence of variants like omicron because as the virus spreads, as it infects individuals it replicates every time. and we have widespread transmission around the global south and the rest of the world that doesn't have vaccines. and that's why we're seeing the emergence. and we'll continue to see emergence of these variants until we seriously address global vaccine inequity. >> i they say not to dishearten people and disengage, but we wonder why we're still here. there is what is happening globally, and then there are the equity questions here at home, which you've always been crystal clear about. you have president biden announcing a new covid strategy on thursday requiring international travelers to test negative within 24 hours of entering the u.s. it also includes reimbursements for at home tests among other things. i know you feel this does not go far enough. so tell me what it would look like to do this correctly in a truly equitable way. >> right. so i agree with the travel requirements to have a negative test within 24 hours. those are departments we should have had months ago. i agree with rapid testing being available at federally qualified health care centers, because that's where a large percentage of people of color, other low income populations receive a bit of health care. but we also need to consider, you know, knocking down those barriers to, you know, rapid tests in general. we should be sending them free to every household. we should be messaging the importance of high quality masks and also sending those to all households for free. we should also be emphasizing the importance of ventilation filtration and ensuring schools. so there are all of these layers. we call it the swiss cheese layers of addressing the pandemic. they all have holes enthem meaning none of them are perfect. but putting them all together produces an effective strategy against coronavirus. i think obviously mask policies is an area i didn't hear president biden really talk about. he's going to prolong the mask policies for public transportation. but if that's the case, then why not work with governors to reinstitute mask policies at the state level as well? because only six states right now have indoor mask mandates. so, again, we need to make sure all of those layers of swiss cheese are put together in order to end this pandemic. and if we don't do that, unfortunately, we're going to see more lives lost and greater human suffering. so i would have loved to see a more aggressive, equity focused, equity centered strategy. i would say this was not a courageous strategy. i would love to see that especially as we are in the delta surge and we have a new variant here as well. >> well, i do want to ask you and i only have about a minute left, so we'll have to do it quickly but i want to make sure we get this in. there's still a lot we don't know about this variant. more likely to cause reinfection to unvaccinated people. the anti-vaccine natural herd immunity, just go get covid crowd has met their match with reality. i don't know, doctor, if they were ever tethered to reality in the first place. >> right. i mean it was inevitable, we'd have the emergence of a variant of increased infecting people who had prior infection. but here we are. and i can't think of a stronger message to drive home to people who are unvaccinated but still have had covid who say i don't need to get vaccinated. you absolutely need to get vaccinated. even though there's so much more we need to learn about this variant, the signs are incredibly concerning. go out there and get your vaccine if you're unvaccinated and also get your booster if you're eligible for one. >> thank you so much for your time. at the top of the hour, a campaign of lies. how republicans are building an 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