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i've got the perfect panel to break all of this down for us. i want to bring in nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake, nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, nbc news national security and intelligence correspondent ken delanian, white house bureau chief ashleigh parker and form u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg. great to see all of you on this day before thanksgiving. so garrett, i guess we've got about 50 subpoenas that have gone out so far. now the committee wants to hear from groups that were involved in storming the capitol. where do things go from here? >> well, we've seen subpoenas go after the leadership, the organizers, the financeers and the people behind the stop the steal movement, the rally on the ellipse and so forth. the latest batch is for the foot soldiers, the organizations that provided, we believe, some of the most violent members of the mob who were here at the riot on the capitol. the oathkeepers, the proud boys, another group called first amendment pretorium. these will be more granular part of the investigation by the committee. we've seen a lot of what has been going out from the committee in terms of subpoenas they have sent out, interviews they have requested, documents they are seeking. we're getting for little guidance about what is coming back in. the committee says only that they've received about 25,000 documents, but they don't specify from whom they're coming or when or which subpoenas they are responsive to. so bit of a black box situation in terms of what they are developing in terms of new information at that committee. >> and yesterday was the deadline for the 15 trump allies to turn over documents to the committee. did any of them hand anything over that we know of? >> reporter: the committee won't say specifically who has been responsive to what requests. what little information we're getting is coming largely from the attorneys of those who have been subpoenaed today, an attorney for the former new york city police commissioner told our colleague peter alexander that he will be responsive to the committee's requests for documents and information, but he also requests an apology and says that the committee's letter to him released publicly in the form of a press release had inaccurate statements about him, that he wasn't here in washington for a meeting which he was said to be a part. so you're seeing complaints from some of these folks. but at least we are seeing in the most cases some kind of communication between the attorneys for those who have been subpoenaed and the committee itself. i think perhaps the most notable remaining exception in terms of cooperation is mark meadows, the former chief of staff who's basically stopped cooperating and communicating with this committee. >> and pete, you have new reporting i understand about the former president's fight to keep documents away from the committee. get us up to speed. >> reporter: right. an interesting development last night. d.c. court of appeals which will hear oral argument on this issue next tuesday issued a brief order last night telling the lawyers for all the three parties to the case, that's president trump, the house committee, and the national archives, to be prepared to address whether the court even has the jurisdiction to referee this dispute. that's probably not a good sign for the president. now the court notes the language of the presidential records act which is the law in question here. and it says that normally speaking, the decisions on the archives about whether to release a former president's documents can't be reviewed by a court, but there is an exception. a former president who doesn't want the documents released can sue under certain circumstances. so the appeals court says to the lawyers, we want you to address whether we even have the jurisdiction to hear this case. the fact that the court is raising this question itself, this is not something the lawyers have raised, the court came up with this question on its own, two questions, in fact, could mean that they're just wanting to make sure they dot all the is and cross all the ts and are doing due diligence. the question is probably not good for the former president. >> chuck, how do you see this? realistically, what could this mean for trump? >> it's always easy to go after pete because i agree with him. i don't think it's good news, but let me add one other note to that, chris. even if the court decides that it does have jurisdiction and can hear the case and can adjudicate it, you still have a very strong opinion from a lower court federal judge which holds that the documents do have to be turned over. so either way i think this is bad news for the former president. either the court says it doesn't have jurisdiction and the documents go to congress, or the court says it does have jurisdiction and hears the case and upholds the lower court decision and says the documents have to go to congress. >> okay. so lose-lose in that case. ashleigh, you know trump world, they've been fundraising off all this publicly. but privately, they getting nervous at all? >> well, again, it's good for them with fundraising, where it becomes an issue is the president, the former president is never going to lose his hard-core base, right. and we are now operating on the assumption from what we're hearing inside trump world that he is more likely than not to run in 2024, and because he believes and he's probably not wrong that if he ran he would win the republican nomination at least. where this hurts the president and where people in trump world are aware are with those voters he would need beyond his base to be successful. so again, i realize we're talking about a very far hypothetical, three years in the future. but after january 6th, there were republicans, there were independents, there were suburban women who fundamentally did not like the insurrection at the u.s. capitol that the former president encouraged. and that is where it becomes a worry for them and a concern for them politically. but again, it doesn't really hurt him with his base, and as you pointed out, it has been quite lucrative in terms of fundraising. >> quite lucrative, indeed. okay, ken, let's talk about charlottesville now. nine plaintiffs getting $25 million, and the white nationalist behind the rally were found responsible for the violence. but what are the real consequences? i mean, are the folks likely to ever see any of that money? >> it's not clear that any of these defendants can pay any of this money. but you know, that was never the point. the aim of this lawsuit was to bank erupt these racist leaders and their organizations and to send a message that there are consequences beyond the criminal arena for those who conspire to commit racially motivated violence. this trial was closely watched on the far right, and these judgments, presuming they stand, will follow these men forever. that said, this wasn't a complete victory for the victims who sued. the jury deadlocked on two counts of conspiracy under the 1871 ku klux klan law, and the plaintiffs didn't get the damage they asked for. about half of the $25 million was levied against single defendant james field who's serving life in prison for driving into a crowd of people and killing a woman named heather heyer. a mixed verdict, but a significant one in terms of the message it sends. attorneys for the plaintiffs said in a statement afterward that the verdict sends a cloud and clear message that facts matter, that the law matters, and that the laws of this country will not tolerate the use of violence to deprive racial and religious minorities of the basic right we all share to live as free and equal citizens. >> and i guess the key question, chuck, and i would love to know if you agree with this, some people have suggested that this could give us a preview of what could happen to capitol rioters. do you buy into that? >> well, yes and no. look, i think ken made a really important point. there are two ways to hold people accountable in court. one is through the criminal law, and private citizens have no ability to bring criminal charges. and so the other way which happened here in charlottesville, as ken just reported, is through the civil law seeking damages. and so this is a good and thoughtful -- and by the way, time-tested way for people to seek redress against racist and violent actors. it's not the first time, it won't be the last time. i was just reading earlier this morning about a case out of mobile, alabama, in the latest 1980s where based on a lynching of an innocent black man, criminal charges were not able to be brought. so private parties brought civil charges and bankrupted the alabama chapter of the klan. great strategy. it works. it happened in charlottesville. it will continue to happen. it's a good way if criminal charges are not available for private parties to seek private redress. >> so are we seeing more of these kinds of cases as far as you know, or would you expect that we will, chuck? 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>> i absolutely do. you know, as prosecutors we know our jury pool because it is the citizens that make up the county which many of us live in. and i believe she made a strategic choice, and i do think that she did make it about race but in an underlying fashion so that those who could pick it up picked it up and knew exactly the message she was sending, and those who just don't want to make it about race kind of -- it went over their heads. i think that the strategy that she employed was effective. >> lawyers on both sides went back after the jury asked for -- to see these exhibits again. they wanted to see the videos, they wanted to hear the 911 call again, and they're making their own analysis about what that might mean about where jurors are in their deliberations. what does it tell you? >> you know, the three questions the jury really needs to focus on is, number one, was this a lawful citizens arrest. number two, if they do find that it was not a lawful citizens arrest, was it legally justifiable self-defense, and if not, was it a felony or malice murder. the fact that they asked for the 911 tells me that they're on the brink of finding -- this is all pure speculation -- they're on the brink of finding that it was not, in fact, a lawful citizens arrest. it said 911, what is your emergency, black man running down the street. well, that's not a misdemeanor, it's not a felony. so what does that tell me? we're moving toward that next step. and by looking at the videos of the actual shooting, super graphic, nobody wants to see that unless they are at the decision of -- or the questioning of whether or not this is legally justifiable murder. that must be where they are. so -- again, i think the other thing i want to point out is they have to make this an individual analysis for each of the three defendants. just because i think that we are on the question of whether or not it's a legally justifiable defense does not mean that they've reached that for all three. but considering that beautiful analogy from the prosecutor of the super bowl ring where it's, you know, everybody gets a super bowl ring, even the guy who sits on the bench, i'm pretty confident based on the fact that they wanted to view the videos that they have reached a decision, but this was not a lawful citizens arrest. >> kristin and cal, thank you so much to both of you. we want to go now to waukesha, wisconsin, where the death toll has risen to six in the wake of that horrific crash during a christmas parade sunday. the latest victim, just 8 years old. jackson sparks. his death comes as the man believed responsible, darrell brooks, appeared in court for the first time. nbc's megan fitzgerald is in waukesha for us. this story just keeps getting worse and worse. what's the latest on both the victims and the suspect? >> reporter: yeah, this is just -- it's devastating. you know, tomorrow's thanksgiving, couple days from now is hanukkah, a month from now it's christmas. this community is just devastated. as you mentioned, the latest news, this 8-year-old boy, jackson sparks, was walking in the parade with his baseball team, excited like many of the kids that were there, when this suv came plowing through. he was rushed to children's hospital. we know he underwent emergency brain surgery on sunday. sadly lost his fight yesterday. we know his brother, 12-year-old tucker, is also in the hospital. one of three sets of siblings that doctors are working on right now. a total of 13 kids remain in the hospital. six of them in critical condition. as you mentioned, the man at the center of this that prosecutors say is responsible for this tragedy, darrell brooks, appeared in court for the first time yesterday. the judge issuing a $5 million bond saying it's warranted given what he is accused of doing, as well as his extensive criminal history. and in court documents, we're getting more information about what led up to this event and the sense that two police officers say that they tried to stop him from plowing toward the crowd, even getting in front of the car, hitting the car, doing everything they could to stop brooks. of course, to no avail. another police officer saying that he believes this was an intentional act because he saw the moments that brooks stepped on the brakes and then made a turn toward the crowd and accelerated toward these people injuring 62 people. right now, of course, the death toll at six people. right now brooks is facing five counts of intentional homicide. we know that in the coming days another count will be added for that 8-year-old little boy that tragically died yesterday. >> meagan fitzgerald, thank you. autopsy results are in for 23-year-old brian laundrie. florida medical examiners say laundrie died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. his partial remains were found in a massive nature reserve one month ago. before his disappearance and death, the fbi said he was a person of interest in the death of his fiancee, gabby petito. holiday boost. americans rush to get a third covid dose. will the protection kick in in time for turkey dinner? 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but most of those are booster shots. are we significantly better off if the vast majority of the unvaccinated are just remaining unvaccinated, what we're really seeing is a push for boosts. >> well, that is the inherent intention here. what we are forecasting at the university of washington is 10,000 weekly deaths, week over week, chris, well into the end of february. so what does that mean, why are we seeing that? michigan, the upper midwest, other parts of the upper midwest like minnesota, we're seeing spikes in deaths because michigan has a fully vaccinated rate of only 55%. something similar in minnesota. colorado, chris, i have colleagues in denver, their icus are at capacity, a fully vaccinated rate in the mid 60s. it goes to show we have little room for error here. that goal is a lot higher to get more coverage in the 16 and older crowd. that's why we're seeing what we're seeing, that 30% unvaccinated spread out across the country is enough to surge hospitals. so we still have to reach those that are unvaccinated. i will say the quicker the fda does approve these oral anti-virals from pfizer and merck the more helpful it will be to mitigate the loss of life. >> does it make sense then for everyone to get tested before getting together for celebrations, especially if they're traveling? >> absolutely. you know, i -- as a pulmonologist, i'll say that there's been a lot of questions from folks should i be driving or flying? an airplane cabin, if you're fully masked, extremely safe. there's adequately ventilation in ways we can't do on the ground. a plane cabin safe with masking, but absolutely do the rapid tests that are available, direct to consumer without a prescription, highly encourage that before i go to dinner, even if you're fully vaccinated and boosted as an added layer of protection. >> i mean, part of the problem -- and i've heard this and obviously live in new york city, so it may be different in different parts of the country, but people have been going into pharmacies and they're sold out. i mean, they are readily available through europe. i know not always as available in the u.s. are we at a disadvantage? did we not ramp up the availability of at-home tests fast enough? >> it is lagging, and so supply/demand as you point out, i've heard the same thing. some people watching are saying, doc, i can't get access to that, that is something that -- i know the biden administration is ramping up as we speak. is it a nice to have in many cases, yes, go to covidactnow.org if you're watching this to see where your city or county is at in terms of transmission level. if it's in the green or yellow zone, that's where just using your judgment if everybody's fully vaccinated, if you're entering a vaccine bubble for dinner, testing perhaps less important. if you're in a red zone where there's a lot of transmission happening, that's where i'd say do your best to try to get a test, drive through or rapid. >> and one more important question -- are you cooking for thanksgiving tomorrow? 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>> absolutely. if the product isn't being unloaded on a container today, there's literally no chance that it could make it to a store shelf. anything that's sitting in china or on the water, you know, it's next year's christmas toys. >> reporter: back in maine, the factory keeps on churning, ready and waiting to build a little more holiday magic. >> our thanks to jo ling kent for that. joining me, tom magee, ceo of icsc of the market industry. good to see you. my heart stopped for just a nano second when she asked is the goose cooked and he said, "yeah maybe." tell us what you're seeing right now. >> first of all. thanks for having me on, and happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. >> you know, this is going to be an exceptionally strong holiday season. we expect 8.9% growth. you know, there are all the conditions toward a strong season exist. over this thanksgiving holiday, 86% of consumers will shop. they'll spend nearly $110 billion. so you know, while there is a -- clearly a strain to consumer sentiment that's being driven by things like supply chain issues and higher inflation, it hasn't yet translated into consumer demand. generally speaking, you know, the supply chain issues are real, but many retailers have done a very good job of trying to anticipate that, and obviously accelerating inventory earlier in the season and then trying to lengthen the holiday season by encouraging shoppers to go out earlier. >> well, speaking of going out earlier, for those who are procrastinators that i know and normally are, you know, frequently looking for things on like the 20th, the 23rd of december, i don't think you're going to change people's basic habits, but is there a year to be looking earlier than before? >> yeah. i think generally speaking you should be looking earlier than before. i'm confident that if -- for those procrastinators, and i'm one of them, that if you go out shopping later in the season you'll find, you know, items, and if you don't those procrastinators, you'll be left buying gift cards. you'll see more money spent on that this year. generally speaking, i think the retail industry has done a pretty good job of managing through this particular holiday season. obviously if the supply chain issues continue, it will have an impact upon retail sales going into 2022. and that is really supply chain issues quite frankly are the only thing that i see really having a significant drag on either holiday sales or early 2022 sales. consumer demand is robust right now. respecting there is concerns around these issues, it just hasn't translated into consumer demand or behavior yet. >> you mentioned 86 % of consumers are going to shop over this thanksgiving weekend, and a report said 49% are going to be largely in brick and mortar stores. 51% are going to be shopping online. is there a difference between the two this year? for example, if something is sold out in one place, might you find it in the other? what's your advice to people who are looking at getting the best price and the best availability? >> well, i think it's all the above in regards to options. i think consumers have become somewhat agnostic in regards to whether they shop online or in a store. and many retailers have done a good job of integrating their digital and physical channels. in fact c that's the key to success. i think generally speaking in the retail industry, it's offering a similar experience online and in stores. you'll see more of that with concerns around supply chains. somebody may order something online and pick it up at the store through curb-side pickup options. retailers, one of the ways to deal with the logistic challenges is they've done a good job of integrating their management systems. they're using stores as not only consumer hubs to shop, but they also deliver directly from the stores to people's homes. so i think while something may get initiated on online, oftentimes that transaction is consummated in a store whether it's through delivery or somebody picking it up. and obviously retailers love when someone comes and picks something up, because that gives them another opportunity to engalk with that consumer and they go into the store and buy something else. >> you mentioned gift cards. for some people that's fantastic. they like to buy what they want. for other people, opening a gift card on christmas morning isn't exactly the most exciting thing, especially if you're a kid. what can you tell us about what might be in short supply this year? >> well, obviously things like electronics are going to be the most stressed, because of the issues around the supply chain and chips. i think if you're looking to buy something that's electronic or digitally, a digital product, you should go out and shop soon. for sure. because those are going to be the most challenged. and obviously things, and i was watching your feature before this. things -- there are supply chain issues around plastic and packing supplies as well that could impact things like toys. which obviously utilize a lot of those types of products. i think things like toys and digital applications, electronics are things you should shop early on. >> good advice. happy thanksgiving to you and yours. appreciate it. >> thank you. you too. coming up, almost armageddon. how nasa is making hollywood's outlandish idea reality. and the latest from the ahmaud arbery trial as jury deliberations continue live from the courthouse ahead. you're watching msnbc. watching. do i need to pretreat my laundry? 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