citizens. and i guess the key question, chuck, and i would love to know if you agree with this, some people have suggested that this could give us a preview of what could happen to capitol rioters. do you buy into that? well, yes and no. look, i think ken made a really important point. there are two ways to hold people accountable in court. one is through the criminal law, and private citizens have no ability to bring criminal charges. and so the other way which happened here in charlottesville, as ken just reported, is through the civil law seeking damages. and so this is a good and thoughtful and by the way, time-tested way for people to seek redress against racist and violent actors. it s not the first time, it won t be the last time. i was just reading earlier this morning about a case out of mobile, alabama, in the latest 1980s where based on a lynching of an innocent black man, criminal charges were not able