retake life tore millions of americans. remember none of this is official. a lot can change before the house votes as early as next week. fill in the bill. four weeks of federal paid leave. that's down from the initially-proposed 12 weeks, universal pre-k, funding for child care centers and a one-year extension of the child tax credit. on the chopping block, free community college. the president confirmed it won't be a part of the bill. also out, expansion of medicare to cover vision and dental care and a clean electricity program is also likely to be mixed. all of this because senator joe manchin is somehow running this entire country despite being elected by less than 300,000 people. joining me congress ma'am -- congresswoman camilla jayapal. i think what the american people most want to know this morning is when will this bill be done and what will be in it reports say october 31st, what say you? >> tiffany, it's good to be here as always, we are working hard to get this done. we have to get it right. if it takes an extra week, to me it's worth it. we are getting much closer. at the end of the day, even some of the things that you had on the chopping block i don't think are actually gone. so we're still working very hard to make sure there is some form of medicare expansion. not everything we would do. but we need 50 votes in the senate. also on the clean electricity performance plan, while that particular plan seems to not be in, because senator man chin just can't do it. he can't get there, we are looking at other ways to replace it with something that really will lead to real carbon emissions reductions. on top of that, the tax cuts for the wealthy, tax increases for the wealthiest and biggest corporations to pay their fair share, that is still very much on the table, not perhaps in the way that we had originally envisioned, but very much on the table in terms paying for all of this. i still feel very hope. i will go over to the column of what's in there. it's not just funding for child care centres, tiffany, it is universal funding for child care, universal child care, so that no family in america will have to pay more than 7% of their income on child care. universal pre-k. one thing that's not on there, i think on your list is housing. we are really pushing for a big, bold investment in housing, which to us is a racial equity issue so that is another piece that's in there. so, you know, i am feeling hopeful that we're going to get this done quickly, at the end of the day, people will see that government is right here providing opportunity for them every day with these new programs. >> yeah, that's really helpful to clarify, some of these things are not necessarily nixed yet. senator manchin can't get there. is it he can't or he's unwilling? >> he's from a state, i'm not trying to defend joe manchin trump won by something like 40 points. so understanding that that is his reality and we won the senate because we got 50 senators there, you know in terms of democrats having control of the senate, that's just where he is. he has an ideological belief about climate change. i don't share it. i find him to be a truthful negotiator, though, in terms of what he believes. we just don't agree. until we get more seats in the senate, that is the reality that we face. that said, i think again my hope is that we have a half a trillion dollar investment in taking on climate change and that 40% of those investments will go to what we all ej 40 to environmental justice, making sure that communities that have been most disproportionately burdened by climate change will feel the effects of that. so you know that's where it is. i think the other challenge here is we have another senator who disagrees on some different provisions, so, the two of them don't necessarily agree. >> right. >> we are trying to get to a place where everybody can agree to something that is still transformative. i believe what we have on the table is transformative. >> i appreciate your positivity. you talked about mid-terms with things like community college, likely being nixed and some of the other provisions being out. it's really up to democrats to tell a good narrative, right? i want to point out something else in the bill i found really interesting the bill would authorize $35 million a year for small bd business administration for incarcerated individuals, housing as you mentioned, this is a huge deal for a lot of people of color. so what is the message going into mid-terms? i think democrats have to get something done to sell this to the american people. >> well the message when we get this done, tiffany, along with the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill for roads and bridges, the message is, democrats delivered some of the most significant changes that will help people feel differently about their lives and their livelihoods. people will be able to go to work because they have universal child care. people will have pre-k, which we know had such a big impact on kids' brains to get that pre-k in early. people will have housing, road and bridges, of course, important. we will be investing in climate change in a big way and, hopefully, we will be taking on healthcare in a big way. another piece we are still fighting for that is still in here is money to cover the medicaid coverage gap for people in states where governors, republican governors have refused to expand medicaid. that's a lots of our southern states, but it's a big opportunity. >> absolutely, if the american people can find their way to the ballot box. we bring in one of your colleagues, thank you very much, congresswoman jaya is pal. now we have another congresswoman. i imagine you have been busy, you heard your colleague talk about what's in the build back better plan and the infrastructure bill, et cetera, these things sound great. there are great things in there. however, this build back better plan will only exist for a short amount of time with democrats lose the house and the senate. that brings us to voting right. given the voter suppression we are seeing all across this country, can democrats maintain the power and control of the federal government? >> yes. but we have to definitely deliver on voting rights. when i think about the most existential threat we currently have, it is clearly a threat to our democracy. everything from having a 400 bills introduced this past summer in state legislatures across this country to make it harder for americans to vote. we need to ensure that we not only having a says to the ballot box but that our votes count and the best way to do that is to pass the john robert lewis voting rights advancement act. i think you know that last week we had a test on voting right. the freedom to vote act was before the senate and every single republican voted to block even a debate on voting rights. so i think the choices are clear for democrats. we either get voting rights or we, you know, or we don't. voting rights or the filibuster, in my opinion. >> yeah. >> and at the end of the day, the filibuster has got to go. and i thought it was really great that president biden on thursday signaled that he would, you know, be supportive of performing the filibuster. it's an archaic procedural rule. you just can't go home and explain to your constituents that came in droves to elect joe biden to be president. >> yeah. >> in georgia, that delivered us the majority. we have to. >> right, xathly. >> -- pass voting rights. >> yeah, so you bring that up. i think that's a good point. this is also frustrating. you know, we have to acknowledge the republican party wants to keep the path to the ballots box all white. these voting suppression bills are aimed to target people who look look you and my and all of the other black and indigenous people icross this country. in texas, governor greg abbott just appointed a former trump lawyer who was a part of trying to overturn the elections in pennsylvania. so i have to ask you congresswoman, you sound hopeful, president biden hinted he might be opened to killing the filibuster. so the folks on the receiving end of this level of suppression, if congress can't protect voting rights, if the courts will not protect voting rights, if the state legislature keep their foot on our nics, truly, what is the resource? >> the recourse has to be retend filibuster and pass voting rights and do so now. the fact of the matter is all 50 senators, democratic senators are in support of the john robert lewis voting rights advancement act that restore the full protects of the vra, including clearance. what we have to have in the face of this is federal oversight. so it seems to me that the senators, our 50 as far as in the senate as well as our vice president can vote to change the rules and end the filibuster and allow for a fair vote on the senate floor regarding voting rights. that's what we have to do. it's within our per view. we just have to have the willingness to act. >> that willingness is not there, from your neck of the woods in alabama, responded to for sinema when she said, we have more to lose by killing the filibuster than we have to gain. his response, without the expletive is who the blank is we. because we do not have more to lose. so how do we bring those senators along and explain to them that we have been battling this level of white supremacy for a long time and by not protecting voting rights, they will ultimately be hurt as well. >> exactly. the filibuster came about during segregation. it was meant in many ways to block a progressive legislation that dealt with anti-discriminatory laws. and so, this very fact that we are now upholding a procedural archaic rule that was meant to keep black folks down means that we have to do our part and that's really the senators. i can't tell you how proud i am of organizations like the urban league and the naacp and the womens black round table. everyone is out there mobilizing around voting rights. it now comes down to whether or not the as far as, the 50 democratic senators are willing to reform the voting rights for a filibuster for voting right. it seems to me this is totally something that they can do and should do and must do before this next election, the mid-term election. >> we're keeping our eye out. i love the shout out to the urban league, and melanie campbell, of course and ltosha brown. >> they're working, they're mobilizing. they're getting put in jail. i mean. >> yes. >> we are running the same playbook that we ran that our foremothers and forefathers did. what we need now is our elected officials, our duly elected democratic officials to really decide to get rid of this archaic procedural rule. it's within their purview to do it. we demand they do it notice. if for no other reason, controversial issues like voting rights are imperative the folks went out to the polls and delivered this presidency for president biden and we need to make sure that and deliver the gavel to the democratic senators and so, what we're asking i this i is fair. that they actually reform or, in my opinion, get rid of the filibuster. i think it has held up legislation not only in voting rights but in justice and policing, the george floyd justice in policing act. >> yeah. >> absolutely. so many important impact agenda items. >> yeah. to your point none of us are new to this fight. with retrue to this fight. i thank you so much for coming on and shedding light to this. we can't fight this battle alone. i hope you are able to convince the chambers. we have to come very soon. lots is going on, next, the supreme court just made it even harder to hold back bad cops. we'll explain that on the other side of the break. stay tuned. at on the other side of the break. stay tuned ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ to unveil them to the world. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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>> well, it's true that bringing these cases is increasingly hampered by qualified immunity. the court is essentially telling people who are, who had their rights violated under the constitution that they don't get relief unless they can find a prior court decision that has virtually identical facts that they can show the court. it's a standard that makes no sense gump that officers aren't educated about the fact of the holdings of cases that are supposedly necessary to overcome qualified immunity. the most people can do is continue to file these lawsuits hoping that they are able to convince a court that they can get past this barrier. because the other avenue, you know, which are pretty much criminal prosecution and seeking internal department discipline are even less likely to succeed. >> yeah. when you get to how some local municipalities have to pay you know taxpayers so concerned about where their tax dollars are going, guess what, bad police officers. because you get these huge settlements after a blood sacrifice, after you've had the crap beat out of you. you get a huge settlement. this is something. i want to talk a a piece of miami's least fireable cop this guy is textbook for bad cops when we talk about it. take a look at this video of him in january of 2020. he was trolling a commission meeting at city hall pretending to be a black person to push claims that he's racist. take a look. >> i'm a black male. yes, i am. and i am non-hispanic. i was born in this country. that's how i feel. and if you know anything about the one drop rule starting in the 20th century which is what identifies and defines, how are you doing, what a black male is or a negro, you would know if you have one drop of black in you, you are considered black. >> the disrespect. so a little background on this guy. he has 17 years on the job, city president of a police euan. 49 complaints, 19 use of force incidents, $600,000 in lawsuit settlements. racist social media posts. you know, with see right through what that is. when this guy cannot get fired and people on the streets are still subject to his abuse. >> so, we have a federal apparatus that essentially officially throwing up their hands and saying, it has to be like this. it actually has to be. i think it's important some of the details that people refuse to hear are important. what we hear is experiencing a mental health crisis. he had a gun to his own head and law enforcement said, he has a gun, he's close enough to kill me and shot and killed him. it was clear he was not presenting a danger to other folks. at least not in that moment. someone with a mental health crisis, people called the police, they were worried he was going to kill himself ends up killed by police. if the federal government throws up their hands to this, it's not surprising people are saying, forget about law enforcement. forget about it. throw it all away. let's start something over again, because place where i got to worry that you will kill the person i am worried is going to kill themselves is not worth having, so that i can call. send different resources at the very least. send someone he trained to deal with mental health as opposed to someone who has the option of a badge than a gun. there sen courageing news here, like there are municipalities that are doing things that so they prevent the possibility of someone like a daept wright who is pulled over for expired tags and end up dead, remember him in brooklyn center so that that kind of thing doesn't happen. the good news is in all of this around law enforcement, municipality is king the local jurisdiction has tremendous power to change the by a law enforcement can be regulated. i have to say, all the elected officials, the folks working at the municipal and state level, the level of frustration with the inability of the federal government to do anything in a moment when it's clear we have 80%, 90% agreement, we got to do something with law enforcement is so incredibly clear and the federal government's inability to do anything is demoralizing at best. >> demoralizing when we deal, are dehumanized by all of this. it's a question of who exactly are police here to protect? there is a new study from the harvard kennedy school that found police violence reduces trust. i have to tell you, in neighborhoods where i grew up, you didn't think to report police. you know, sometimes you get accepted that this was a violent encounter, that police just had the right to do. it's a level of demoralization i can't even explain. so if that's the case, how does this vote for future relationship between police and communities when people are afraid to call the police because those are sometimes the people who hurt you? >> absolutely. i think there is -- there are law enforcement groups actually that say we need to reform qualified immunity for this very reason, that this legal protection is sending the message that justice sotomayor says sends a message that police can shoot first and think later. the decisions that you see every day coming out of this dream court and lower courts denying protections to people whose rights have clearly been violated sends a message that people's rights don't matter and i think that beyond the injustices to the individuals who are named in those cases and in bringing those cases. >> right. >> it sends that broader message that the government and police are not there to protect most people. >> yeah. and something has got to change. so thank you so much for this great conversation. coming up next, we put the spotlight on the jury selection process. the attorney for the family of ahmaud arbery joins me next. ahmaud arbery joins me next. strokes can be reversed. joints can be 3-d printed. and there isn't one definition of what well feels like. there are millions. we're using our world to make your world a world of well. this is the sound of an asthma attack... that doesn't happen. this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's one maintenance dose every 8 weeks. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. fasenra is designed to target and remove them. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor tells you to. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection or your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. this is the sound of fasenra. ask your doctor about fasenra. if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. riders, the lone wolves of the great highway. all they need is a bike and a full tank of gas. their only friend? 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especially in the case where race will play a central role and in a place where racism is visibly alive and well, so we want to ask, how will jurors be selected? joining me now is arbery family attorney lee merritt. lee is also running for attorney general. listening to that father describing him being lynched is gut wrenching and heart breaking. when you look at the demographics, brunswick, georgia, is predominantly black n. flint county where the trial will take place it's only 26% black. you know how these things going with jurors. what impact will this have on jury selection and can he get a fair trial if the jury box is disproportionately white? >> well, the glen county community did one thing recently. they had an alleged projecting johnson, the prosecutor responsible for doing justice in the states initially. they voted to elect her out, despite the demographic population there i'm sorry, they voted her out of office. so that's one sign, but it's going to be difficult in a place like glen county to find a group of jurors who haven't already developed an opinion about the case. that's the real concern. >> i think when i was reading the reporting on this, it made me wonder how our jury is selected generally, a lot is from the voter rolls. >> if you are not a registered voter, you will not get called to vote. people are apathetic to the process and aren't voters. you think of voters suppression, particularly in georgia, the governor is quite the suppressor in suppression. >> right. >> if that's the case, we will be looking at a lot of all white juries in our future if voting rights aren't protected. do you think it's possible a jury could be all white in this case? >> up fortunately, it's possible. one thing we saw happen this week in court was the judge granted each side their own set of strikes and it was well strikes per defendant. and that's why they're trying to put together a panel of 64 qualified to whittle it down to 16 the football you discussed earlier. when they have that many strikes of indiscretion, we're keeping a watchful eye for jurors being struck just because of their race. you know, obviously, in the black community has expressed when they come in our interview, a vested interest in the ahmaud arbery case, that has disqualified a lot of jurors under the court's estimation especially want to talk a bit about that this heart breaking moment from mr. arbery's mother. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> i can still see arbery going to jail forever, ahmaud wasn't a young man who chose to go jogging on the avenue. ahmaud was actually my baby boy. ahmaud was a brother, an uncle, a grandson. ahmaud was loved. >> she says he was loved. i mean, he's more than just a hashtag. i think that's something that gets lost frequently in these discussions. one of the questions that the defense asked the jury, please raise your hand if you agree with this statement. police in this country do not treat white and black people equally. that was the question by defense attorney jason sheffield asking potential jurors. you know, first of all, it's a dumb question. we know the answer to that, the data bears it out. secondly, what was his intention in asking that question? >> right. so one of the defense in this case as a law enforcement officer 30 years within the law enforcement community in glenn county. will you have friends in law enforcement that will testify on his behalf so the defense counsel is saying if black people or any sid if glen county acknowledges that the wide dispar rights between treatment of black folks and white folks, then they will be disqualified, the point is to identify them as anti-cops somehow, therefore, no good for the jury. i don't think it's a fair question, because as you pointed out, people will just have to acknowledge police in america. >> yeah. sadly, we are in a country right now where the truth is up for debate. so we will definitely keep our eye on this, please give our love to the family. we'll keep our eye on the trial. next, general powell worked for years in the military for people of color. the battle still isn't over. we will talk about that after the break. the break. >> it just makes sense. ♪ ♪ yeah. do you want a medicare advantage plan that just makes sense? 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did you have any encounters that were overtly sexist and or race it's? >> yes, thank you so much, tiny. it's an honor to be here. this is an important question and a conversation about ultimately about representation of leadership. right. this the a conversation that we have at a level that is too shallow, i think. of course, representation matters, of course, i had those kind of racist and sexist experiences both for myself and i witnessed my troops and i also witnessed a system that refused to address those issues, consistently and systematically. and you know when we talk about representation, of course, it matters. it's one of the reasons i am running for congress. i remember what it felt like to be a young latina officer with a platoon almost black and thatly latina x the officers were still white men that couldn't understand the cultural context and lived experiences of their own troops. we also have to stop talking about this issue as if it's one that can be addressed through personal or individual achievement and behavioral corrects, to talk about this disparity to really understand it. we have to talk about economic. we have to talk about the poverty draft. we have to talk about how many of our top brass and elected officials are in bed with corporate war profiteers and the way that that shapes the leadership priority in my own district, we have two military bases and not a single public hospital. we have a crumbling bridges and infrastructure. but our only robust federal jobs and scholarship program requires you to carry a gun for the government and our incumbent is a woman who sits on the foreign affairs committee but has never had a real job outside of politics in her life, has already taken almost half a million from corporate lobbyists and pacs. and when you add her complicity in the white nationalist attack on the nation's capital, of course, someone like her on that committee is not going to meaningfully address the real why it that one in five of those insurrectionists was active military or ar veteran. >> i'm glad you brought that up. i want to make that point with you, malcolm. like she said one in five participated in trying to overthrow the will of the people served in the military. it's not just rank and file. the racism and disparities exist when it comes to decision-makers. people of color are not in ranks where they make crucial decisions, like how to respond to the coronavirus or troops in syria. all of these are overwhelmingly white men. have you done a great service in the military. what was your experience like and why is this that might men still dominate when people of color proportionately served. >> it's interesting, miss ramos is absolutely right how there appears to be this hierarchy once you get to a certain level, they filter out people of color and women and gays. in my experience, which came inside the u.s. military intelligence community, i was in my time over 20 years only one of four maybe five african-americans working this extremely secretive world linguistics and code breaking. they work very hard the people within that community to suss us out. one of the best that ever existed did get out you know due to a lot of pressure. they took future talk show host montel williams, former code breaker, russian linguist, working in the national security agency. you wouldn't know that. >> right. >> but the point is this, there is a system that has been put in place. my family has served non-stop in the armed forces since 1864. we know that there are disparities. we know there is racism. we know that a very large proportion of the service members enlisted service members are going to be people who are latin-american, african-american, and women. >> yes. >> these are the materials you have to work with. the military's own structure of laws, rules and regulations assist you in working with that. but there is a hard core prejudices in there and the word prejudices dis is a little wrong. officers feel they are entitled to hoard over these particular types of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. what they don't see is they make their own forces far more effective in doing that. >> you know very well, i'm not telling you anything you don't know. this is very prevalent, it has been throughout history, our soldiers were fighting no come back and be treated like second class citizens, there are white people who fought and bled and died for their country. it's kind of crazy. we are out of time. i got to ask you, this kidnaping in haiti with the 17 missionaries, you know, i'm a lay person, so forgive my ignorance here. i look at this and think why doesn't the military go in, get those people out? what's the danger with people demanding ransom? if you were in charge, what would you do? >> you asked the right guy. i ran the hostage survival school. it's very difficult. this is where you get into the crux of diplomatic military activities the government of haiti would have to invite us to come in and carry out an activity surveillance. the fbi has purview on that in this particular circumstance. we have enough capacity with the fbi hostage rescue team or u.s. intelligence assets, but really the government of haiti would have to surrender all of their authority to us. then we would have to make the decision in accordance with the families. we're probably not going to do that unless people start getting kill. i don't know if that's going to happen any time soon. >> wow, we'll have to have you back when we talk more about that. so thank you so much, good luck in your campaign and thank you malcolm nance for always delivering great information when are you on tv. thanks for being here. next, my thoughts on why iowa needs to be de-- stay tuned. why iowa needs to be de-- stay tuned. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ before nexium 24hr, anna could only imagine a comfortable night's sleep without frequent heartburn waking her up. now, that dream... . ...is her reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts, for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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>> well, to your point, there really shouldn't be more than one stand because the lie should be blind and apply uniformly no matter who you are, race, gender, creed, color. in this particular instance, if you're a republican, you should have joined your nine brethren in voting to support this referral to the doj for the contempt proceedings against bannon because what's good for the goose is good for the gander and in the event the very slim, i'm hoping, margin event that perhaps republicans take over, you'd want to enforce your opinions if you're the seat of power. but i believe there's going to be a cooked bannon goose very soon. because the doj in its efforts to uniformly apply the law, will, will attempt to indict. why? because it was a dually authorized issues subpoena and bannon ignored it and there must be consequences if you're going to ignore a dually issue authorized subpoena. but what's the defense that's going to be raised by steve bannon? once he's indicted by the united states attorney for the district of columbia, he's going to raise the defense of executive privilege, which is a very rarely navigated political concept. it's going to have to be litigated but, let's talk about what are the important things about executive privilege. if you do governmental misconduct or there's a crime, you don't get that protection and there's definitely crime here. >> definitely. michael, listen, marjorie taylor greene keeps asking for this smoke. so, yesterday, or the other day, not yesterday, she confronted liz cheney, her republican colleague, and congressman jamie raskin. she came up to him yelling about black lives matter and when are you going to have hearings on that. he said, yeah, we should have a hearing on kyle rittenhouse killing black lives matter activist. i honestly think this woman is begging for violence. she keeps confronting people and she wants to have that kind of exchange. i fear for the people on capitol hill because imagine a co-worker confronting you like you're a kid on the playground getting bullied. some day, somebody might give her the smoke she's asking for. >> you know, i kind of agree, but i like to look at marjorie taylor greene in another way. we try to say she's crazy, but she's really kind of a condensation of all the white people in america, what they're going through right now. we see american white people are going crazy. they're resorting to violence. they're going, calling the police on people walking down the street. they're facing this existential crisis where they are in danger of no longer being in the majority and they can't take it. we can kind of sideline her as somebody who's just crazy or insane, but what she really is a manifestation of all the white grief and all the white anxiety in the country right now. she's representing an actual constituency that's nationwide. karens mixed with chads and white people because they're losing their country. >> very good point. raquel, what do you think about what michael just said? i agree with you, if she is this amalgamation of white grievance. she was elected and her constituents are not unhappy about her. what say you about her? >> i always feel bad for the folks of color named karen and chad because they just are not going to win in this situation right now. but absolutely, i think that marjorie taylor greene is the perfect kind of encapsulation of people just being afraid of change. we're seeing that across the board even beyond race. we're seeing lgbtq folks saying we're here, we deserve respect and there are a lot of people pushing back against it. so all this white violence being stoked, all this white anxiety is being connected to everything in this moment. whether we're talking about restricting the rights of black folks, people of color, being able to have our voices heard. we're seeing these attacked even within our government. marjorie taylor greene yelling at other leaders on the floor, particularly women of color like aoc. it's disgusting and we need to denounce it every chance that we get. >> yeah, i'm concerned. i predict, i don't want to be hyperbolic, but there's going to be a confrontation with her. speaking to the system that tries to keep people down. seven years ago, flint, michigan experienced this awful public health crisis that has still yet to be resolved. mostly black folks were exposed to contaminated water. on monday, a city that's 85% black, is one of two cities to declare a state of emergency for the same issue. it comes back to the aging pipes and contaminated water. the residents are being asked to use bottled water. where is the national outcry and what's happening to these americans, michael? because i feel like if beverly hills had contaminated water, this would be major breaking news on everybody's screen and yet this is years that americans are without safe drinking water and it still has not been resolved. why is that? >> you don't have to speculate about it. in 2019, the epa came out with a report saying that poverty or the city's finances is not in the best indicator which city will have unsafe drinking water. it's actually how many black people live in the area. we saw it in jackson. we saw it, you saw it in st. john the baptist parrish in louisiana. we see who has the highest cancer rate in the country. and so we see that communities of color are disproportionately affected by unsafe drinking water and the crazy thing is, it's not like the communities these people live in have the choices. often the drinking water is controlled by another local entity or a regional entity and the people who live in the community don't have the say to say hey, fix our drinking water because they're getting drinking water that is controlled by a larger community. so this is not just environmental problem. it's a racial problem. it's a demographic problem and it's a problem that we have to fix. >> yeah. and it's very sad. my heart goes out to the people who are dealing with that. that deserves a lot more attention and we'll keep our eye on it on cross connection, but i want to move us into a very controversial topic that a lot of people are talking about and look, nobody's laughing now because dave chappelle's latest netflix special led to dozens of employees walking out of netflix's office to protest anti-trans bigotry. katie, i'm just curious because a lot of people have strong opinions and this and when i ask, did you watch the special, a lot of people haven't. i will tell you, i watched the special. no shade, dave chappelle, it just was not funny. it's like you have this obsession with the transgender community. the rest of us are not in this beef with you. i'm just curious your thoughts on this. >> i've watched him over the years. i did watch the special. it felt very forced to me. maybe to the tail end of what he could be bringing artistic value. i'm concerned about the rate of 40 homicides last year in 2020 alone against transgender victims. it's an important thing for laws and statutes. he claims he's a supporter and claims he had an ally, but then when he takes the stage and he has this audience, his muse could actually result in conduct and action that's criminal. if people listen to him and they're inspired by his transphobic views, they turn around and interpret it. i'd like to see a push in a uniform application with more laws to protect the transgender community. it can't be ignored. >> yeah. so, raquel, i want to be careful here. i think when somebody commits violence against the transgender community, you already have that hate and prejudice in your heart. someone else giving you permission to do it. it had to be something that was already there. i'm curious, your thoughts on the special and dave chappelle in general since this is a topic he seems to keep bringing up over and over again over the years. >> yeah, well i think one of the constant refrains from a will the a lot of folks, is oh, it's just jokes. those kind of jokes, that rhetoric about who you are not being real or valid or worthy of dignity and respect has an immense toll on the psychology of anyone and any marginalized group, but of course, dave chappelle is not just on a playground. he is on one of the largest platforms globally, so this kind of misinformation about the transgender experience and community is being exported to so many corners of the world and i really do believe that the general public is still trying to understand the complexity of gender and identity and dave chappelle with all of his lack of nuance and lack of range and talking about our experiences is only making it worse. yes, a lot of folks think it's a jump to say this will lead to increased violence, but that animus is being stoked when you hear, oh, trans women are not the women that we know ourselves to be. influences the rhetoric we saw in lawmakers trying to push for trans folks to not be able to use public accommodations or trans students to not be able to go after their passions in sports. so it's all connected and we've got to tack it trans phobia every step of the way. >> i agree. he spoke out against the bathroom law in north carolina, which was utterly ridiculous and stupid. i think you're in a unique position to ask this, but michael, what about the point that dave chappelle was making? i think it somewhat ignored the intersectionality of black and transgender people, but he made the point, that look, you can shoot a black person and you are not canceled over that, but when you say something about the lgbt community, you are. he used a baby as an example. a friend made the point that one, that was offensive. he could have talk about he -- he wasn't canceled over that. does he have even some legitimacy to make the point about black life not mattering as much as what i think he means more white lgbtq people. what do you think? >> i hope not. that's the argument that white people have been making for centuries. there's not a finite amount of humanity and rights we afford to people then we got to have them and trans people get some, we got to take some from black people or white people or hispanic people. everybody can be a human and it's also interesting this argument that people conflate between the right to say something and whether you should say it or not, right? like, i think that people, you know, there's the argument for this like you can't go on stage, say something into the mike and a lot of comedians make this argument. say something in the mike and then expect everybody who hears it to have one reaction. like dave chappelle can't expect everyone to laugh then claim he's the one being persecuted or he's the one that's being limited in his view, right? like, we have the right to react the way we want to to the stuff that you say in the microphone and put on netflix and go on stage and say. it's not like you're saying it in your living room. >> and he never got canceled. the employee who worked at netflix got canceled. raquel, we are way over time, but i wanted you to respond. what did you think about the point he was making? >> well, i think dave chappelle fundamentally lacks and understanding of intersectionality. that yes, you can both be oppressed as a black man and still be an oppressor as a straight, cisgender man. we have to look at our own positions in society and i think it's nonsensical to stay that the lbgtq plus community is the only one that speaks out. naacp has always called out hollywood and different depictions that were not true so the black experiences or folks of color. so it's nonsensical. i'm throwing it out. >> all right. well this was a very challenging conversation. it was a lot of nuance. i'm happy you guys are here to help us have it and raquel, you'll have to come back. so thank you. coming up, we'll discuss why and how 2021 is looking very much like the handmaid's tale. stay with us. much like the handmaid's tale stay with us fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites there is something i want to ask you. umm, it's a little soon... the new iphone 13 pro is here. what do you say, switch to t-mobile with me? 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>> well, i think it's really telling and useful that you showed the handmaid's tale because one of the aspect of that story is that things like white supremacy and pate arky is strong and they can suck the victims into its own belief system. the fact there are 44% of women who seem satisfied at this moment i think speaks to the fact that they have to some extent, bought into the logics of the circumstances being the way they are and they might be committed to things like anti-choice politics. there are a lot of women who subscribe to those things as well. i think one thing we're seeing with this polling that's so interesting to me, anyway, it says that women are not satisfied. i think a lot of women aren't satisfied. it speaks to the fact that the me too era has changes expectations. so you have a lot of women who bought into the conditions we live under, but then there's a majority of women who feel like it could be a lot better. it doesn't have to be this way. so their dissatisfaction after me too, it's really grounded in the fact that the world could be better. >> when i saw those numbers, 72% of republican women are satisfied. that's wild. i don't know that i believe they truly is. chrissy, i want to ask you. i'm not trying to sound like c. delores tucker here, but i feel like there's some level of normalizing misogyny. i look at entertainment and hear some of the lyrics in these songs and look at the imagery we see and it does feel like there's a lot of animus towards women. and a lot of disrespect towards our lived experience and physical person. how do we get ahead of that? i think that kind of teaches younger folks a lesson on how women are treated and viewed. >> what i think is interesting going back to the data is that age divide and as christina was saying, it seems as though some of the younger folks are really dissatisfied and they're not going to put up, quite honestly, certain things that our generation our our mother's generation just saw as normal. things we had to accept just to go along and get by. either in the workplace or in general in society. i think the conversation, the intergenerational conversations are going to be really important for younger people to help explain sometimes to older people what is no longer accepted or tolerated. and for older people to contextualize the ways patriarchy is pervasive in all aspects of our society and helping a younger generation navigate these sometimes treacherous waters. especially when we had the intersection of race on top of that. thinking about how black women are the least likely to see their circumstances as either beneficial to them or society or to have an optimistic view of where they fit in. >> yeah, i think even when we get to some of this in social media, this also seems to be contributed to a lot of misogyny. chrissy just talked about younger people and the divide, but i wonder with younger people, maybe they're unhappy when it comes to policy, but i wonder if they see the nuanced ways in which he's been normalized to be disrespectful to women starting at a younger age. >> right. well social media as we've been seeing with the discussion of facebook and young women's self-esteem, we're in a very interesting political moment where i think on the one hand, what we're seeing is rising expectations. so we also have a lot of young women as chrissy was saying, who are no longer going to accept the sort of things that we're treated as sort of part and parcel of how you had to survive to get through. so on the one hand, they have expectations that the world can be bigger and better. on the other, social media is a place where toxicity is coming at them. it's a very odd moment. on one hand, we see women gaining power and space. politically and institutionally. at the same time, we see a lot of anxiety and hostility. i think one of the weird kind of political churn dynamics we have now is that there's actually, we're actually gaining a lot of more power than we've had in the past and more of a conversation about what's not acceptable now. that's also producing a massive backlash. it's a situation in which if there was more silence, that would not be better. that would just be that people, you were talking about in the earlier section on policing, that would be a sign of demoralization. we're in a moment of real political churn around these questions. >> and chrissy, before we go, the labor force. this is a huge thing. women dropping out of the labor force is really scary. childcare is is often a reference for that. some women are in a position to have to care for their children and aging parents. how do we get ahead of this? >> oh, i wish i knew because obviously covid has exposed the deep gender divides that still exist and we also know that women don't get paid as much as men and women of color don't get paid as much as men. so having these women outside of the workforce will have generational effects on families. not just in the immediate, but in the realm of generational wealth. >> thank you so much. coming up, black congressional staffers sound off about a lack of diversity on capitol hill and how that hurts all of us. even you at home. we'll talk about it after the break. the break. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ ♪♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. imagine having someone else do your books for you. and helping you plan for future generations. as your quickbooks live bookkeeper, i'll categorize expenses, reconcile accounts, and close your books. cool. - yep. know where your business stands. intuit quickbooks live bookkeeping. bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ so this may be the most diverse congress ever, but when it comes to capitol hill staff, there's a long way to go. take for instance the senate. out of 100 chief of staff, only two are black and four latino. it's important to remember that it's the congressional staff that helps keep members of congress abreast of issues. they prep them for briefings and help them inform their decision making when it comes to policies that impact people of color who make up 40% of the population, by the way. so now capitol hill staffers are sounding the alarm in a letter published this week. and one of the authors of that letter joins me now. president of the congressional black associates, arlene matthew, along with dr. lashanda brencen from the joint center for political and economic studies. ladies, thanks so much for being here. i'll tell you, i have been covering or dealing with capitol hill in some way or another for 20 years. this has been a long, ongoing issue. what would you like to see changed and how do you propose see that change come to be? >> thank you so much, tiffany, for inviting me up here to speak about this very important cause that i know you are all too familiar with. the biggest thing is just making sure that america understands why this is so important. this conversation has always been a d.c. conversation and you know, when i started my presidency with this organization, i knew that that would be one of the goals is to appeal to the people and help them see the black faces that are in these spaces to hopefully empower upcoming generations to let them know that they can be in these spaces as chief of staff, legislative director, molding legislation. >> yeah, i think that's such a challenge. for me, i wonder, like we've been dealing with this for so long. what is the biggest challenge with creating this pipeline? i know the joint center, shoutout to spencer overton. i don't know you guys have been on this issue for a long time. what's the biggest challenge with pairing qualified people of color, what's the biggest challenge connecting them with these offices? >> there are several factors that contribute to a lack of diversity on capitol hill, especially among top positions. if we look at the low composition, that insular culture that exists on capitol hill as well as the lack of prioritization in hiring when it comes to including staffers of color in retaining and promoting them to these higher level positions. >> yeah. and arlene, you bring up like dr. brencen just referenced, about the low compensation of staffers on capitol hill. you know, there was a article in the post a few years ago that talked about congressional staffers, you know, wearing designer clothes. i will say i remember starting out at another network 20 years ago, it was the first time somebody asked me who were my shoes. they were no name brand, i can say sure you, but hearing young people who are in their early 20s who have this kind of financial safety net, they can afford to live in these cute condos on capitol hill, while a lot of people considering the wealth gap, cannot. so what are you proposing about compensation for folks on capitol hill? >> yeah. i mean, referring back to the letter, the biggest thing is taking into consideration the backgrounds that so many specifically people of color are coming from. you know, when you look at the last report of the census, the black income trails the national average. for the most part, people of color can't afford to take an unpaid internship. we can't come to d.c. the fifth most expensive place to live in the u.s. d.c. is a transient city and most of us are not from the dmv area. it takes sacrifice to be here. i would know because i had to sacrifice to be here, but it was a sacrifice worth making because i understood the significance of being dm this space and lending my experience to the discussion making process for these lawmakers. >> and i just want to shoutout that you wrote this letter with jasmine bonner, the president, your counterpart, on the senate side. and so good for you guys for taking this on. dr. brencen, i'm sure there are a lot of people watching this show who think, maybe i could work on capitol hill. i have expertise in these areas and they're fanned out across the country. if there are qualified people who are interested in having their voices heard on capitol hill, what's the best approach? >> sure. i would say young people should seek out paid internships and also find offices that relate to their skills and demonstrate a commitment to investing by training and developing staff and you can see that in the reflection of their top staff in particular. >> you're saying young people, but there are working professionals right now i'm sure who are working in policy spaces who are ready to, you know, walk into a congressional office today and lend their expertise. i talked to a group of latino voters in florida who many of them had some sort of policy expertise and were asking how can i transfer these skills to work on the federal policy level. what's your advice to those folks? >> sure. so organizations like herline's organization as well as there's a office of diversity inclusion on the house side that lends itself to candidates that are seeking opportunities on the house side. the senate side, there's a senate democratic initiative that assists candidates in providing opportunities on the senate side as well. >> all right. well i want you to dm me that info and i will tweet it out for people who want to work in these spaces because it is hugely important. so thank you so much, herline matthew and to your counterpart who joined you in righting the letter and dr. brencen. i appreciate you guys being here. and coming up, what are kids being taught about the civil war? 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i'm sorry. i wasn't there. i'm 50 years old. i wasn't there. >> oh, girl. i mean, the disrespect and then the level of ignorance. a lot of people don't give a damn about this man's feelings about this. that person is in a position of power to make decisions, i mean, how, especially in the place of mississippi, how do you overcome that spirit and level of ignorance? >> i mean, it's infuriating in a lot of ways because it's a major dismissal of our history, your identity. of this country's history and identity. i can't even talk about how he chooses to separate these things. black history is american history and so a refusal to sort of accept what has happened and accept the fact that we are still living within a racist construction, that we are still dealing with problematic laws and things that harm people, that we are still living with how racism harms black children. i think about kenneth park and their doll test which was instrumental of brown v. board and how they proved psychologically that racism was harming black children. how black people have been harmed by the institution of slavery, by structural racism. there's a real denial and dismissal to do anything about it. >> when you consider that some of this rhetoric is coming from educators. for me, i had to get two educations. there was one i was taught in school, one at home. i was blessed with a lot of diverse teachers, but not everybody is. like this teacher. this is a tennessee high school teacher who wants more empathy for antebellum. take a listen and we'll talk about it. >> when we look at southerners and how they tried to twist the narrative of what happens, i want us to put ourselves in their shoes and look at why. if you can teach empathy when it comes to history, it's touch a powerful thing for the rest of your lives. >> i'm sorry. teach empathy for who? to the enslavers? because i clearly, maybe i misheard. i'm sure he was not suggesting we empathize with the oppressor. >> but that's so much a part of the problem is again the refusal. refusal to look at black humanity in the face. the incredible amount of violence that took place in the institution of slavery. because when we look at the institution of slavery and how violent it was, how harmful it was, we have to own that and again, our inability to own that history, to talk about that history honestly. you know, authentically. it matters. >> yeah. >> it matters, so what we talk about in the classroom has huge consequences. >> yeah. yeah. you know, look, i just want to remind everybody watching that black folks were an enslaved people longer than we have been free. forgive us if we lack empathy for our enslavers. thank you so much. you are a delight to talk to and please check out civil war. the documentary airs tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. here on msnbc and at noon, hear from ashley cresten. a trans activist who organized the netflix walkout over the dave chappelle special. but first, who got next. beverly jacobs joins me to talk about how the hit show is breaking barriers for native americans. i'm so obsessed with this show. americans. i'm so obsessed with this show . nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? 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were you a part of the inception? or did you join after it was already kind of being written and developed? >> no, i joined part of like the regular casting process as an actor. i got a casting breakdown. but the indigenous film keen is so tiny. so i have been a big fan of sterlin harjo's and also of the crow creator's since their early films went to sun dance. when i read the casting breakdown it was reminiscent of one of my favorite films of all-time, "boy". this felt like the native american version of it and i knew that i needed to be a part of it. >> indeed, you did. your presence is definitely integral to this show. so series is not an outright political commentary. i think the underlying theme of the show, the subtext is that for many young people of color, just buy your very existence, you are swra political. talk to me like how the political theme surfaces in the show. >> i would say that one of the ways in which it surfaces is by turning the mirror to the audience in what they imagine indigenous people to be. and they do that specifically through dallas gold tooth's character the spirit of william knifeman, who he plays hilariously. when people think of native americans they think of us on horseback, in buck skin and historic ancient beings as opposed to being modern day people. yes, my existence as a mohawk indigenous woman makes me inherently political. but i also am not like pining over my indigit nayity, sometimes i am watching tv and eating chips. i think this show is a great example of that. it shows we are here, we are funny, we are surviving and thriving. >> i love everything you just said, i wish i could play it on a loop. i want our viewers to know for so long the complexity that exists across 500 federally recognized indigenous tribes -- you are focusing light on that space. your show is amazing. thank you for joining us. good luck to you. >> thank you so much for having me. all right. coming up tomorrow on the sunday show with jonathan capehart senator elizabeth warren will be on live to talk about her plans to expand medicare under the build back better plan and what her proposed wealth tack could pay for. that's tomorrow on msnbc on 10 a.m. eastern. i'm seeing jonathan capehart right after this show. if you have questions, tweet me. we'll be right back. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world. ♪ as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. to unveil them to the world. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? 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