range. when the fire extinguisher runs out, he chucks it at them. at the police officers who were under siege. he touch accent as hard as he can. and one of the astounding things about this video, and that guy in it, is that for more than two months after the insurrection, that guy was not arrested. the fbi had his face on a wanted poster, but it did not even identified him. even despite that jacket that you could not miss. it was online sleuths working from, home sifting through hours an hours of footage, who actually figured out who this guy was. when reporters ryan reilly ingesting cook of -- unaware that the fbi was looking for him. and he confirmed that yes, it was him. robert scott palmer of clearwater florida. in the eye catching flak jacket he told the reporters that the biden administration was trying to vilify the patriots and quote. who were involved in the riot but the reporters notice that he seemed to grow increasingly and she says the call continued. i didn't do tonight -- he hung up when the huffington post asked him, about the fire extinguisher. because it is one thing to talk in general terms about being an innocent patriot who is being vilified. it is quite another thing to answer specific questions about how you unloaded a fire extinguisher, at a bunch of besieged police officers, and then threw it at them. 12 days after that peace appeared in the huffington post, he was arrested, and charged with assaulting those police officers. today, he pled guilty in court to a felony. the specific charge is, assaulting resisting or impending certain officers, using a dangerous weapon. inflicting bodily injury. any admitted in court, not only to using the fire extinguisher, but also throwing it would implant that the officers. the judge ordered mr. palmer incarcerated until his december sentencing, where he faces up to 20 years in prison. make a note of that. that will become important in just a few minutes. many of more than 600 people arrested for their involvement in the capitol attack, are only charged with, or are being allowed to plead to misdemeanor offenses. they're getting off a little or no prison time. for months now federal judges in washington have been expressing french stray shun is what they see is too much leniency, in the treatment of many of the insurrectionists. the federal judge who presided over robert palmer's guilty plea today, in a separate case this morning, she did something that no judge has done before and a january 6th case. she handed down a harsher sentence than what government prosecutors were asking for. this particular capitol rioters, pled guilty to one count of parading, demonstrating were picketing, in the capital. that's a misdemeanor, carries a maximum sentence of six months in prison. that parading charges actually one that several rioters have pled to. the prosecution recommended he get three months home confinement plus probation, the judge rejected that recommendation, in order the defendant to spend 45 days in prison. the judge saying from the bench quote, there have to be consequences, for participating in an attempted violent overthrow of the government, beyond sitting at home. she continued, the country is watching to see what the consequences are for something that has not ever happened in the history of this country before, for actions in crimes that threaten to undermine the rule of law, and our democracy. and our democracy. that's the important part. and you can understand where the judge's frustration is coming from, if january six was a violent insurrection against the government, and attempt to block the peaceful transition of power, in our democracy, the consequences for that cannot just be, a few hundred people being charged with holding an illegal parade. because it's not what each individual person did on their, own it's where everybody involved did, collectively, that's the insurrection, and we do have a body that's tackling this bigger picture. the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack, is reportedly moving ahead with its work, even if we hadn't heard all that much from them publicly in recent weeks. political reports that the committee has held its first closed-door transcribed interviews with willing witnesses, and new ones are scheduled for this week. this thursday by the way, is the deadline for former trump and officials, including the chief of staff mark meadows and one-time chief strategist steve bannon, to report to subpoenas that the committee issued last month. the committee subpoenaed documents from, them and is ordered them to sit for supposition's next week. the chairman of the committee, says if they don't meet the deadline, the committee will probably issue criminal referrals for those former trump officials. even as many of the people who physically beach the capitol on january six have been tracked down and arrested, and made to apologize an open court, and pay some kind of price, the people who created the conditions for that attack, the people who teed up the event and stoked the crowds, and who turned the january 6th certification of the election, into something that they thought had to be stopped, those people are not only walking around free, they are still pushing the narrative, that produces the insurrection. take this lawyer, john eastman, he's rubbing up the crowds. here at the president stop the steal rally, just before those crowds stormed the capitol, he eastman was not well known at the time, but we've recently learned that he was the author of a memo, from president trump, the detailed exactly how trump could use the january 6th election certification process, to overturn joe biden's win in remain in power. and trump and his allies were following his instruction manual, right up until january 6th. when vice president mike pence refused to carry out his part of the plot. so trump and he's been riled up the crowd, which wind storm the capital instead. the new york times this weekend did a deep dive on john eastman, telling the story of how donald trump, discovered him in 2019. seeing him on fox news of course, and how eastman became trump source for all kinds of hair raising legal theories. that would allow trump to do things that he wasn't actually allowed to do. right up to and including, the instruction manual for the coup that trump almost pulled off. john eastman's memo is one of the most terrifying pieces of evidence that is yet to come to light from those last several weeks of the trump administration. it shows just how much planning went into trying to keep trump in power, after he lost. and how close they came to succeeding, not only as johnny's been so far successfully wandered off back into some obscurity, after the whole coup thing didn't work out, he's still working at it. when the times reached him for their article this weekend, john eastman, was still pushing the narrative that the election was stolen from trump. he told the times quote, there are lots of allegations out there that did not get their day in court. and lots of people that believe them. and wish they got their day in court, and i am working very diligently with several teams, statistical teams, election specialist teams, all sorts of teams, to try to identify the various claims that determine whether they have, merit or whether there is reasonable explanation for them. all sorts of teams. he's working with all the teams. and on one level, who cares if this cookie lawyer wants to work on election conspiracies, in his basement with all of his teams. what we should care. because this stuff is the engine that's powering all of the various republican projects to undermine americans faith in our elections. like the sham election audits being pushed by republicans in state after state, to create the incorrect impression that there was something wrong, with the 2020 election, and with our election systems as a whole. it's powering the republican takeover of elections boards. and clerks offices in state after state. and all the pro trump candidates for secretary of state across the country, with the goal of controlling the machinery of elections, for 2022, in 2024. and it's powering trump's own 2024 candidacy. the washington post reports that trump is already running it all but name. is not officially declaring his candidacy, at because that he would have to re-jigger his whole fund rating apparatus, to comply with presidential campaign finance laws, right now most of trump's fundraising, just go straight to trump. why mess with a grift that's working? trump's former press secretary said today that if trump does one and win in 2020, for his presidency quote, will be all about revenge. well that's comforting. all of this. it's something we know to deal with this country, we've never had one of our two political parties become an explicitly anti democratic party. in thrall to a twice impeached insurrection is demagogue, we don't even know how to measure how much danger our democracy is, in because we've never seen it tested like this, certainly not in living memory. so one of the weird things about our current political moment is that some of the people, who are turning out to be the most insightful about what we are going through now, are those who have studied the decline of democracy in other countries. the rise of authoritarian's and other countries. if we look around and have trouble understanding exactly what's happening in our country, because we've never faced anything quite like it, while other countries have. you may remember that during donald trump's first impeachment, one of the most compelling witnesses to testify, was this woman, fiona hill. she was the top russian analyst and trump's national security council. in part of what was so compelling about her testimony, were her explicit warnings, she repeatedly warned, that what the president and his allies in some of the very members of congress who were sitting on that impeachment committee were doing, was dangerous. they were pushing wild conspiracy theories, about american elections. and about trump's political enemies, that were in many cases, manufactured by foreign intelligence agencies, with the goal of destabilizing the united states. she warns, that pumping that poison into america's political bloodstream, was a danger to democracy. fiona hill knows something about dangers to democracy. she is after all, an expert on russia. now fiona hill has written a book. it's called there's nothing for you here, finding opportunity in the 21st century. i want to read you what she writes about the january 6th insurrection. quote. the failure of trump slow motion, in plain sight attempt at a self coup was not preordained. ultimately it was thwarted only by individuals that the key institutions that typically would not be involved in executing such a plot. first and foremost, high-ranking members of the military resisted trump's efforts to personalize their power. if they had gone along with that the outcome of trump's self coup could've been completely different. other government institutions also held, firm for instance throughout his tenure, with the help of republican lawmakers, trump filled more than 200 federal court vacancies, with what he kept calling, his judges. trump judges, all the way to the supreme court however, respected their oath of office, is they rejected the presidents appeals to overturn illegitimate election results. state and local government election administrators, also refused to be swayed. throughout history, coup plotters of seize control of the main communication channels. trump did not physically take radio in tv by storm, but he continuously discredited the mainstream media, who are critical of his behavior, he directly messaged eight 88 million people, who followed his twitter account, to propagate false self serving narratives. and blaine lies. after the events on january, six twitter and facebook belatedly and that's what trump and done and cut off his accounts. in the aftermath of trump's disaster is rain, it was tempting to breathe desire relief, but that would have been premature. because there's no indication that his dynasty would fadeaway. and american populism looks like it was here to stay. unless we could find a way to mend our socioeconomic and political divisions. and quote. joining me now is fiona phil, former white house adviser on russia. she's the author of the new book, there's nothing for you here. finding opportunity in the 21st century. which comes out tomorrow. doctor hill, thank you for being here. thank you for writing this book. you have been studying russia and authoritarian regimes for decades, you are trained to recognize the signs of a nation spiraling toward authoritarianism, in a way that the rest of us are not, which is why no one should take lightly when you are in this, book quote, russia is america's ghost of christmas future. our harbinger of things to come. for me, watching trump's disorganized but deadly serious attempted a coup unfolds, over the course of 2020, the clearest and most unmistakable parallels were with russia, and quote. so i ask you, what's to your trained eye, are some of those parallels? >> well thank you first of all for having me on tonight. there are sadly many parallels. i think anybody who is even the most casual students of russian would see them right away. one of the most striking in fact, is actually unfolding with an anniversary almost today in fact, back in 1993 in october 1993. president yeltsin, of russia, fired on his parliaments, what was known as the russian white house. after constitutional dispute with his own vice president. and also the speaker of the parliament. over excessive powers for the presidency in an amendment of the constitution. instead of resolving this in the way that one would hope in would expect in a constitutional error or two political debates, he actually turned the guns of the russian military on to the white house. on to the russian parliament. that was a pretty striking rather shocking episode. and of course parliaments can -- and president yeltsin ran through his version of the constitution, which gave the presidency greater powers. in a way that is a parallel with what happens on january six. when president trump was trying to reverse the cause of the constitution to keep himself in power. there are many similarities like this. of course it's really jarring, when you think about the united states starting to resemble anything like postal via russia. this is why the book was such a good read, because these things come to mind for you immediately, they don't come to mind for a lot of americans, we don't have those parallels. one of the things that was compelling, you wrote, that in 2020 our democracy did hold the line. the military, the courts, the vice president of the united states, refused to go along with trump's attempted coup, is that u.s. sign of the resilience of our democracy or a sign of the fragility of the democracy, that that's how close we came to democracy falling? >> well, i think it's a bit of both. but you did miss out, or you actually talked about in your overview, what happened on capitol hill in congress, because what we saw however was certainly member of the public and party not live up to the constitution or to their commitments to their constituents or the places they represent. because so many of the members of congress, with just a few small exceptions of the congressional republicans, went to law with probably president trump's lies. if we also look at russia, or other ethnic authoritarian governments -- one particular grouping, actually deciding, that they're going to throw their lot in with what would be enough territory and tear and leader. other institutions have gone along with have been in a very different position than where we are now. >> you actually are very clear in the book, that the threat to democracy is still very much alive, with or without donald trump, and that you actually argue that maybe trump paved the way for a more competent populist to pull, as you call it, putin in new york in this country. i think some people, maybe some of rachel's own viewers, breathe a sigh of relief when trump left the white house, what would you say to those people who think that it's okay he's gone? >> well, it isn't okay. the big lie that he perpetrated in saying that he won the election in 2020, when every piece of evidence suggested and underscore staff and confirmed that he did not. is being perpetuated by members of congress, by him. he has never repudiated anything that he has said, he has not conceded that he lost the election. this is again, a lot of those signs that were in deep trouble. because millions of people have been convinced, because of the presidents own credibility as being the president of the united states, and clearly somebody that people voted for and somebody who they looked up to. some that they've been telling them some -- we that has been paved many times before, through history by countries like germany, nazi germany, and also the soviet union. people will say, of course, here we go again, people making these kind of comparisons. but these are valid, historical, comparisons. and in each case, people who told themselves that they were doing the right thing and supported the particular group went along with what became the beginnings of a massive atrocities. and also the perversion of democracy. >> for an economic journalist, like me, there's a lot of been your book about economics. your upbringing in northeastern england and the changes that you have england studied. it's very clear that you understand the impulse that so many voters had to vote for donald trump, you've got a grasp on why so many people did believe that their lives would be better with somebody like him in charge. that impulse has not died with the trump presidency, what's the antidote to this? it's not even though you legally american problem, it's in your home country of england, it's all over the world. >> yeah, well sadly, we've started to prove that america is not exceptional. i'd like to absolve that we could do better, but many of our principal leaders have said, but we've actually shown that we can go down the same path. we're not immune to flood leadership, we're not immune to eroding and undermining our best institutions. but the socialist economic aspect of this is really critical, because mainstream parties, both the republicans and democrats have failed to address many of the problems that the majority of americans would like to see actually fix for them. this gave an opening to president trump, because with a populist leader, diversity say okay i'm listening, i'm hearing what you're saying, and i'm going to basically fix everything for you. it's not so simple. but of course the wrangling that we're seeing going on right now, on capitol hill, between the congressional republicans and the democrats and the future of the infrastructure bill, and the reconciliation bill, that president biden is trying to push through, really underscores the problems that we have. because many of the issues that are covered in that bill, are the things that the majority of americans would actually like to see there are government basically undertake for them. and like to see the representatives have that option. we're seeing that there is no political will to do that. >> you've drawn a very straight line between the economics and the economic shift and where we are politically. the pucks about of about 400 pages, i'm not done with the conversation, i'd like to ask you to stick around for the conversation. thank >> thanks ali. >> we'll be right back with fiona hill, former rush advisor. , former rus advisor. advisor. hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tech: when you get a chip in your windshield... trust 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system from the ground up, helping to make san francisco the greenest big city in america. in march of march of 2018, then let's keep making a differene together. 2018, then president trump met with president trump met with a group of steel a group of steel workers in the roosevelt workers in the roosevelt room at room at the white house. the white house. you got it got elected to a little extra press that a extra press that day, day because the because the president president told one of those told one of those steel steel workers workers that his father was, that is very proud of him. father was very proud of, looking down from him looking down from above. the above. the steel steel worker had to correct worker had to correct the the president president. , actually actually, my my dad is still dad is still alive. alive. it was was awkward. awkward. but something else but something else about that about that meeting caught the meeting caught the attention of fiona hill that attention of fiona hill day. here is how that day, and here show she she right of writes writes about it in her about in her book, book. quote. quote hidden away at the hit it away at the white house, the national white house, the national security council staff security council staff, were less like were less like ivanka trump ivanka trump, and and more like the more like the steel steel workers who had workers, who had clustered around her father clustered around her in the rose world room father in the roosevelt ... we share room. we the same company share the same family backgrounds and the same backgrounds, in the same aspirations for a meaningful job ... aspirations for a meaningful job. the the people i people i worked with at the worked with at the nsc, nsc, including some of the political including some of the political appointees, were appointees, were neither partisan nor neither partisan ideologically nor ideologically constrained. they were constrained. pragmatic and they were pragmatic, operational, focused on an operational. accomplishing the focused on mission. a couple showing the but they had mission. to contend with the they had to contend with the fact that since the fact, that since the 1960s, 1960s, popular appreciation popular and respect for appreciation and government service and respect for government public servants service, and public had steadily servants, had declined in the steadily declined knighted states. in the this made them easy united states. this targets for made them easy populace opprobrium targets for from president populist appropriate for trump and others in president trump and maga world ... others a mango world. by fall by fall 2019 ... 2019, i'd i had started to fear started to fear that the that the u.s. was stuck u.s. was stuck in in a period of a period of a profound and dangerous destruction. it was not just profound in dangerous disruption. that trump was it was not just embarrassing our country and press that trump was conferences abroad embarrassing our country and playing a tip press conferences, tin pot and dictator at home. there playing a dictator was that the at home, it was the disaffection, decay and the disinfection, visions that had decay and division that given rise to had given rise to trump and the trump in the maga maga phenomenon phenomenon, were getting worse. we're getting worse. they they threatened to threatened to corrode the corrode the infrastructure of our infrastructure of our democracy, affecting democracy, affecting not just the off not just the malign government off line government steel workers but steel workers, also the support but the strength support themselves. streets themselves. and quote. unquote. and it was and it was in this in this exact exact time period that time period, that fiona hill fiona hill found found herself herself responsible responsible responsible for for basically basically, reinforcing the reinforcing the support support strengths stretch of our of our democracy, democracy. when when she she became one of the became one of the main main characters and characters and donald trump's donald trump's first impeachment, the first impeachment, the one where he one where he was was impeached, for impeached for using the using the power power of the presidency of the presidency, to try and to try to bully bully a foreign a foreign power power into helping into helping him win an him win an election. election. and in your in her testimony, during testimony, during channel trump's donald trump's impeachment, impeachment, fiona hill fiona hill basically basically blew the blew the roof off the roof off the place in place. in her her very very civil civil servant, servant steel steel worker worker way way. talking. about the wave of talking about the wave of disinformation disinformation and and conspiracy conspiracy theories, theories that were being that were being stoked by the president and his stoked by the president and his allies, allies. as a way as a way to absolve him of to absolve him of any wrongdoing any wrongdoing. . watch this. watch this. >> >> some some of you on this of you on this committee committee appear to appeared to believe believe, that that russia and russia and its its security security services did services did not not conduct a campaign against our compare -- the country. and that perhaps, for perhaps, somehow for some somehow, for some reason reason,, ukraine did. this ukraine did. this is is a fictional a fictional narrative narrative. this is being that's been perpetrated and perpetrated by the russian propagated by the russian security services security services themselves. themselves. the the unfortunate truth is unfortunate truth is that russia was the that russia was the foreign power foreign power, that that systematically systematically attacked or attacked our democratic the chronic institutions, in institutions in 2016. 2016. that the the impact of the impacts of the successful 2016 campaign 2016 remains remains evident evident today -- today. our nation is being torn our nation is being told apart. apart, it's truth is questions. are questioned. are highly professional an expert service highly pro -- is being is being undermined. undermined. i i refused to be part of refused to be part of an effort to an effort to delegitimized eyes that the legitimize and -- that the ukrainian ukrainian government government is a u.s. is a u.s. adversary, and adversary, and that that the ukraine, ukraine, not, russia not russia attacked this in attacked us in 2016. >> 2016. >> joining us once again as joining us once fiona hill, former again is feel male, white house adviser on former white house adviser russia, and and russia, and author of there's nothing author is there's nothing for you here. finding for you here finding out opportunity opportunity in the in the 20th century, which goes on 20th century. she goes on sale sale tomorrow, tomorrow. doctor hill, doctor hill, every few every few weeks i get weeks i go out and out and go to go to somewhere else somewhere else in america, in america and talk to and i talk to people, and people. i'm i'm actually actually positively positively surprised by surprised by the the empathy that empathy that people can show people can show each other, each other, if if they are together in they're together in a small a small space, and they're space and having a real having a real conversation. conversation. i'm i'm equally equally surprised at the surprised that the misinformation misinformation that guides their that guides their political political decisions. decisions. you have encountered you have encountered this, again this, again in it is in your your book it's tied book it's tied to the into the social nominee socioeconomic problems, because problems, because people are people are receptive to receptive to this bad this bad information. information, but in but in your your testimony, this testimony, this bad bad information is information make is making it up to high making it up to high knowledge knowledge individuals, individuals, people with an people with an education, education, people who have people who have access to good access to good information, they information, they still believe these still believe these lies. lies. >> well, >> look, look, some i think of the people some of the people, who are also are also perpetrating these perpetrating these, lies lies, deploying them deploying them for their own for their own political political purposes. purposes, which again, which is something is something that we have to bear in that we have to bear in mind. mind. there's but there's a difference a difference between between simple simple misinformation and misinformation, and then disinformation, which disinformation, which is is deliberately deliberately used for political impact. used for political impact. we we have to be very have to be very well well aware aware that people that people within our within our own own political political system, we have system, we have all all kinds of super kind of super political action political committees, it's the whole active way that our communities -- are campaigning is now campaigning is now taken taken ship of shape, of how you how we tough actually have to to destroy your destroy your opponents, deposed and in a political in a political campaign, campaign, by by frankly friendly deploying deploying information information against against them. this is begum the them. this is becoming the tenor of tenor of our our politics. politics. >> what >> you are describing what you're describing our flaws in our here are flaws in our politics and in politics, and in our our democracy, democracy, but the but the other thing that you other thing that you write write extensively in the book extensively in the book about, about, is donald trump's is donald trump's troubling accounts troubling tours encounters with with autocratic autocratic strongmen. strongmen. you you actually say that actually say that he had autocratic he had autocratic envy envy. . talk to me talk to me more about more about that, would you mean by that? >> that. what do you mean by that? >> well, i think i think that this is also this is also been something part of the a part of the times. times, we have we have so many so many of the strongman strong men, they're all men around the world, they're all knit rather than women here, the strongest women of men rather than women, the all, strongest woman of angela merkel, the all angela chancellor of merkel, is germany is just about just about to leave the to leave the political political stage and stage, obviously she she doesn't behave in doesn't behave in the the same fashion. same fashion. but we have just we have not just not president trump, president trump to strutting who is trading around the around the world world stage, stage, just making making a point of how a points of how important he was and important he was, and how how strong he strong he was. and how was and how much will much of he was. he was. we have president we have president xi of china, we xi of china, have the prime minister of hungary, we have of course president of hungary president -- course president putin putin, in in russia, russia. and we and we have many have many more. more, deter tea in the in the philippines philippines, there seems. there seems to be to be a pattern, a pattern of a trend here, of trump here, of people trying to people trying to outdo outdo themselves, themselves in this strongman and the strongman stunts. stunts. >> >> you said today you said today that you that you remain proud of remain part of your your role on role on working in working in trump's trump's national national security security council, but you council. but you also, said i also said, quote it was think it was a mistake to a mistake to have president trump as have president trump's president, unfortunately. president unfortunately. we know, that we know that donald donald trump is trump is clearly clearly toying with the toying with the idea of running again idea of running again in 2024. as 2024, someone who was someone who is inside the inside the trump trump presidency, you presidency, you saw it saw it firsthand firsthand, you've just, you've just written written a book about it, a book about it, what do you what do you want voters to want voters to know going into know, going into 2024? 2024? >> >>. well, first of all i first of all i want to want to stress that i do stress that i do believe believe he was he was legitimately elected, legitimately elected, so the so that the people who people who voted, we're voted were not swayed not swayed necessarily necessarily by by vladimir vladimir putin putin or any of the other or any of the other things things we've talked about over we talked about over the the several years. last seven, years we they they voted for voted for president president trump trump because they because they mistakenly mistakenly believed, that he believe that he was going to was going to do something do something for for them, them. he was going to he was going to fix fix the all of the problems, which problems, which facts frankly are still frankly are still festering, festering. unfortunately, what we unfortunately, what we saw, saw, is that is that president president trump's only trump only intended to attempted to do something do something for for himself. himself. he was he was trump first, trump, first not not america america first, first. what i would and when i would really really like to like to say say, to people who are to people who are thinking about thinking about voting voting for him for him again, again, is to take to take a long a long hard look. hard look, this is this is not not ideological, ideological, donald trump does donald trump doesn't have not have any any ideology ideology,, and really and really around the were on the verge of doing verge of doing right now is throwing now, is throwing away away a democracy. a democracy, that we have that we have built up built up over over hundreds of hundreds of years, years, something something that everybody that everybody here here in the in the united states united states values. values. we're we're not read, not read, were not were not blue blue americans, were americans. and americans, who are bred where americans. this is one of those this is one of those pivotal moments where we have pivotal moments where we to all stand up all have to stand up and and stand together. stay together. and not and not terraces tear selves apart, apart. donald and donald trump is trump is an an incredibly incredibly divisive person divisive person, who, who is focus is focus just just on his own on his own interests. >> interests. >> doctor doctor fiona fiona hill, thank you hill, thank you for your for your time, thanks for time, thank you for spending the extra spending the extra time with, us and thanks for time. thanks for writing this remarkable writing this remarkable book. book. fiona fiona hill is a former hill is a former white house adviser on white house adviser russia, she is the for russia, she is the author of the new, book there author of the new book is nothing for you there is nothing here for here. finding you opportunity in the finding opportunity in the 21st century. 21st century, it it is on sale is on sale tomorrow, doctor tomorrow. doctor hill, hill, we appreciate your we appreciate your time tonight. hard today. >> thank you so >> thank you all you. much. >> coming thanks so >> much up next, something coming up began today that next, should, could shape something that could the direction of this shape the country country for generations for generations to to come. we'll talk about that after the break. come, we'll talk about this after the break. pter, its' innovation, organic ingredients, and fermentation. 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the state of texas, from austin, to houston, to san antonio, to dallas, people rallied against the states newly enacted extreme abortion ban. in austin, the capital of texas, protesters held up signs like these, when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. and one woman held up this. i cannot believe i still have to protest this. and then had a word that rhymes with hit. in houston, one woman held up a sinus, and we did not endure played, only to return to the dark ages. and in columbia south carolina, one woman proudly holding this sign it reads, so bad, even introverts are here. in chicago one woman held up this clever sign. we need to talk about the elephant in the womb. with the republican party elephant logo there. into legal high all this rhyming sign, keep your rosaries, off my ovaries, from kansas city missouri, to albuquerque new mexico, phoenix arizona to defend burke all or, atalanta who i, to chicago illinois, thousands, tens of thousands marched across the country, as the high court is set to hear the biggest challenge to abortion in decades. today the supreme court began its new term, one that is already being called momentous. all justices except for kavanaugh, who has, covid and participated remotely, are in person today since march of 2020. the court is just a few months away of hearing arguments in a case -- mississippi's 15-week abortion ban, which is a direct challenge to the 1973 roe v. wade ruling. a case that could throw out abortion rights for all women in this country, wherever they live. arguments for that case begin on december the 1st. we've already seen in texas, the state effectively overturning roe with, it's abortion ban, outlaws abortions at about six weeks. we're still waiting to hear from a federal judge will grant the re-governments request an issue employment area injunction, against that law. and that decision could come any day now. remember the supreme court declined to intervene, it left texas effectively overturn roe v. wade. there's a lot at stake with this new term, that the court began today, in addition to abortion, the court will hear cases involving gun rights, separation of church and state, school funding, and affirmative action. what should be keeping an eye out for? joining us now is tali farhadian wei, she cleared for both maher garland when he served as a judge and the d.c. circuit court, and for supreme court justice sandra day o'connor, ms. weinstein, thank you for being with us tonight. >> good evening. >> tell me what you are expecting first of all, as it relates to abortion in this court. the court has not decided, what they did in texas was not actually hearing the case on the merits, the mississippi case in december 1st is probably going to be the big abortion hearing that we have got the supreme court. >> that's right, the analysts who are looking at that case alley, i would say are ranging from despondent, to despondent, in terms of their expectations of what will be left of roe v. wade. after the supreme court decides that case. there is some disagreement about whether the court will actually overturn roe, or just got it, but here's the thing that's really clear, that law, in mississippi, just like the texas, law is unconstitutional, as the constitution is currently under stood by the supreme court. the supreme court has said, that this state cannot put an undue burden on the right to choose, before viability. and these are both effectively bans on abortion, well before viability, so they're really designed to test whether road can survive, weather -- can survive, or there needs to be modified, or eliminated. and that's what's at stake. >> he just said something really interesting, i think it was legally smart, i want you to expand on. it you said they're both unconstitutional as the constitution is currently understood by the supreme court. i think that's why most of our viewers think, except the question on our minds now is as this new session starts, is will the supreme court see the constitution differently, under its new, under the way the supreme court is actually constituted. that's what's worrying people. >> exactly, mississippi, in its abortion case, has asked the supreme court to see the constitution differently, and it's given it a menu of options, it has said, there is no right to choose under the constitution. you could say that. or it has said, this whole structure, the understanding, the viability is really an important turning points, in a pregnancy. and that this state cannot really interfere with the right to choose, before a viability. the way it can after viability. that should be discarded. and it's even gone as far as to say, well, we have some new science now, that tells us viability is not as important, as other things we might think about. fetal development. and it really has given the core, lots of different pathways to interpret the constitution differently. which is really a fancy way of saying overturning it's precedence. >> the texas law is interesting, a number of other states have said that if this were to be held up, they are looking to emulate, at florida senate, south dakota has said so, the mississippi law for some reason, people feel it is more consequential, if that goes a certain way, there's a real fear that this is not going to be a slow roll across the country. it will be almost instantaneous. that the protection of abortion rights in this country will go away. >> that's, rate the mississippi case, presents the question, of whether roads should be overturned, or modified. in the ways that i've described. the texas law, has not brought that question to the supreme court, right now there is litigation in the western district of texas, the department of justice had sued the state of texas over that law, but there is a procedural thicket around that law that is made it hard to get at the question at the heart of, it about the constitutionality or the rich choose, whereas the court has all set up to decide that question, in mississippi, and of course there will be consequences for all the states. >> thank you for joining us miss weinstein, we appreciate you helping us understand this, tali farhadian wei, we appreciated tonight. still ahead, an environmental disaster, as at least 126,000 gallons of crude oil fouls the california coast. question, is how is it still happening in 2021? we'll talk about that after the break. 2021? we'll talk about that after th break. break. break. 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understand this, there are leaks all the time. we're lucky when there's one close enough that you can smell it or see it, but oil leaks from pipelines under the water, and under the ground all the time. >> yeah, that's right allie. offshore to really is a date dirty and dangerous business. when we go we spill, it's not a matter if if we're gonna spill the oil, is just a matter of when. and we've seen that time and time again. and yet, at the same time, our government continues to lead oil and gas companies do what they want to do in, our coast, even though when we have a problem like this it ends up hurting the coastal economies. and that's before we even start talking about the fact that oil and gas or driving climate change. it made actually no sense to continue with this sort of fossil fuel age, when we know we need to be making that hissed. >> and the distinction that we make, we can have this conversation, and on this channel we have it a lot on climate change, and when we need to do about that. but the after will fact, after the deepwater horizon on the gulf of mexico, it was mind-boggling to most of us, that the oil company had no plan. they had no way to deal with the amount of oil that was going into the ocean, private enterprise, kids in schools were trying to figure out whether they could put detergent and water to get oil out. why does this still happen in 2021? >> you would think that after we watch, day in and day out, that picture of the oil gushing into the gulf of mexico and run our hands because it was nothing we could do about it, that we would've learned something from that and begun to make a transition away from offshore oil and gas. but instead we didn't, we continued to sell leases in the gulf of mexico. we continue to allow drilling off the coast of california. i think it's really, it's really clear now as we sit and watch us, in this moment we have an opportunity to finally get permanent protection for our coast. it's being discussed in congress now. this is really a stark reminder, that we absolutely need to make that happen. >> and a lot of places along the look gulf coast, you can stand ashore and see platforms and rigs. same thing in california, you can see them on land and off land. what do protections look like? for people who are in these places, who look out and see a platform on the horizon or an oil rig on the horizon, what do we want? what does success look like? >> well, there is a question of whether we should continue to expand offshore drilling. which we absolutely should not do. what we're pushing for, in congress right now, by permanent protection, we mean stop all leasing for any new oil and gas developments offshore. if we can get that done, we can prevent some future spills, but we still have this historic legacy that also needs to be address. that's going to require better inspections, we're gonna need penalties that actually create an incentive to prevent spills. right now, they don't really. in fact, the matter is in the oil and gas industry is sitting on so many active leases for oil and gas, but 75% of what's out there right now, that they have their hands on, they can drill if they are really to do so, 75% of it is unused or not producing. and that amounts to about 7000 to 8000 unused to a permits to drill. so when we talk about stopping the expansion launch for drilling, the oil and gas industry seems to think that so such a horrible thing. but in the meantime, they have more leases to drill than they could ever possibly use. >> so we're not even carry hitting the capacity of what we could ever drill? >> thank you jacqueline savage for joining us. -- we'll be right back. -- we'll be right back. we'll be right back. nce from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high you know 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