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documents, the depositions due mid october. it is a major escalation into the investigation into the insurrection. this shows how seriously the committee is taking their mission to get to the bottom of what happen on january 6th. quote, their swift issuance -- last night congressman adam schiff, one of the democrats on the committee stressed that the committee is moving in unison and remains clear-eyed about its path ahead. >> our committee has been unanimous really on all the steps we have taken. there is a remarkable degree of commonality in terms of wanting to get to the truth, being ready to use whatever tools, tactics, techniques we have to to get to the truth. there is common acceptance of the fact that no one is beyond the limits of our investigation if they have relevant information about january 6th. and we are not fooling around. we are not going waste time. and you so you see these subpoenas going out to four key players that, you know, based on what we know today have very relevant information about the run-up to january 6th and what happened on the day of that bloody insurrection. >> we already know enough about what happened on january 6th to know what each of the four figures knew during the attack and the days that led to up to it. in mr. trump's final weeks in office, he repeatedly pushed the justice department to investigate unfounded conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election. according to emails provided by congress, portions of which were reviewed by the times. meadows was also in touch with the organizers of the january 6th rally. that was on the morning of the insurrection. for his part, dpan ask a veepo met with president trump on january 6th in an effort to persuade members of congress not certify the election for joe biden. he also promoted the january 6th rally on twitter urging people to quote, be a part of has tree. cash patel, who was promoted to his post in the point in the days immediately following the election loss has security information. it is steve bannon who may be able to provide the clearest picture of trump's actions. bannon reportly communicated with trump on december 30th and urged him to focus his efforts on january th. the committee said he also was present at a meeting at the willard hotel the day before the violence when plans were discussed to try too overturn the results of the election the next day. he was quoting as saying, quote, all hell is going to break loose tomorrow n. sons to the subpoenas hitting very, very close to the twice-impeached expresident, donald trump unleashed a two paragraph screed on his email to his email subscribers. we had to scrub it for disinformation, politicized red herrings and nonsense which evident will us with one sentence fit for air. it says this, quote, we will fight the subpoenas on executive privilege and other grounds, setting the sage for what yamiche alcindor described as the showdown to end all showdowns. that's where we begin. luke schroeder, former republican congresswoman barbara come stock. and robert kneel katyal. >> barbara, i will start with you. >> these are four key poem that congress has a price to subpoena. when they are investigating power abuse, their power to subpoena and get that information is very strong. as neil can tell you, there is going to be no grounds for executive privilege at all. the present white house is had the going to exert it. and the former president has no basis on which to exert it. this is going to be a very serious investigation. i would point out, i think there are a lot more subpoenas that will go out that may be quieter to lower level or mid-level people who work for mark meadows, who were close to all of these four characters, steve bannon, and the like. and there is probably already documents that have been turned over. certainly, we know that justice department testimony from the acting attorney general jeff rosen and others at the justice department has already been given that's very damning for what mark meadows and donald trump were trying to do in the leadup to january 6th. the testimony from people like brad raffensperger and the like. so i think this is very important. and i think it means they are ramping things up. and i think if you are a witness or somebody who is getting those subpoenas out there, particularly the mid or low-level people, you should be getting in -- first, get a very good lawyer, and get in there and start cooperating. because the cost of -- for a contempt citation is up to a $100,000 fine and up to a year in jail. >> neil, i want to cow ask you to deal with this executive privilege -- i don't know what to call it. i guess it's a talking point to the trump base. >> nonsense. >> let me show what you adam schiff said and then let's put this to rest and move on to what the four witnesses can i will lum nalt for the committee. let me show you what adam schiff said about executive privilege. >> what is your response to donald trump saying that they are going to fight these subpoenas on kputtive privilege? >> well, it's more of the same that we saw for four years when he said that they were going to stonewall all subpoenas. it would be against type to expect anything else of the former president. but you know, i think, look, it's an acknowledgment of his belief of his own guilt and his desire to hide what he was doing on the 5th and what he was doing on the 6th. he doesn't want the country to know, but then we knew this already because of course he intervened to try to shut down nefts the house and senate to establish a january th commission. and he succeeded. mitch mcconnell did his dirty work. >> neal, two thing. the notion of executive privilege doesn't seem the apply to expresidents. two, there is a vastness to what it appears the committee is looking at. i asked adam schiff about this sort of conspiracy to commit a kill. he said that's absolutely what they are looking at. but if you could speak to tis comments there about executive privilege? >> executive privilege is a concept that goes all the way back to george washington that basically there is a zone of accuracy around the president that can't be pierced. and president trump -- excuse me, donald trump is right. there is a way for him to exert executive privilege. he's got to be the executive. i know he things he could be appointed or instuld president next month or last month or something like that. barring anything like that, as the former guy he can't exert executive privilege. the supreme court has been clear on this in the nixon case, this is the quote, the executive privilege is not for the benefit of the president as an individual but for the benefit of the republic. and the person that's best situated to assess what is to the benefit of the republic when it comes to executive privilege is the current president in the white house. that's joe biden. this answers, nicole, the other part of your question, why, and the scope. the white house is saying look this isn't some minor dispute or something. it goes to the heart of the republic. things like -- think about all the things donald trump did, ukraine, the tax returns, all of that. none of it provoked the kind of panic that january 6th invokes. and so that's why congress is doing what it's doing, it was absolutely right to do this. it was a long time coming. in my judgment, too long coming, we waited so many months after january 6th. but if donald trump tries to bring this to court it is a dead loser every day of the week, kinds of like him. >> i want to show you -- luke broad congressman schiff's response when i asked sort of about the revelations of the east man memo and based on some of the communications that we've learned about between meadows and donald trump and the senior leaders at the justice department, if they were looking at a conspiracy to commit a coup, a conspiracy to overthrow the government. here's what he said. >> the predominant worry that i have about our democracy is not that it is going to be overthrown by a violent revolution notwithstanding that we endured a violent attempt at insurrection, but rather that there will be quasi legal means that so undermine our democracy that it creates a crisis and it falls apart. this is what the republicans tried to do. the trump campaign and administration tried to do. with this memo. but it's also what gop party leaders are trying to do around the country by stripping independent elections officials of their powers and handing them to partisan boards. so that they can succeed where they failed with this attempted coup. >> so what caught my ear was this quasi legal effort. i mean the eastman memo, i don't know, that might be too nice of a thing to say about mr.eseman's memo, quasi legal. that it is lilg to overthrow the will of the people, it is why dan quayle said get serious, mike. i wonder if you can tie the first four subpoenas together? it feels like they all have something to say about the setup, what people were brought to washington to do, about the state of mind of the expresident. bannon talked about killing biden's presidency in the crib yesterday. it feels as a witness he's an active participant in this sort of quasi legal, to borrow the congressman's term, effort. and it seems like mr. scavino and mr. patel and meadows had different pieces of making the government bend around that attempted coup. can you talk about these four witnesses. >> sure. yeah. i think the reason the committee selected these four subpoenas first is they are all part of the bigger puzzle of the -- what i will call the plot. which is sort of catching the idea -- you can point at steve bannon for that. there is the talk of a meeting back in december where he tells trump to focus on january 6th. then there is the meeting the day before at the willard hotel. you have scavino promoting january 6th, and mark meadows talking with department of justice lawyers about ways to undermine the election. so each one of these people, including patel, who has a hand in the security of it, has a role to play in the plot to stop joe biden's lawful decree and award the election to donald trump. it's actual low very clear when you look at everything. now, what we don't have are certain details that may connect the dots further, but a lot of this, as has been said, was planned in the opening. and there is a lot of reporting around it, about the pressure they put on mike pence to accept a fake slate of electors instead of the real slate of electors, to have the house of representatives throw out lawful votes so that joe biden can't actually get 270 electoral college votes and it goes to a vote of the house of representatives instead. so this was a plan that was laid out. i don't think it was a legal plan. i think that eventually if this had been carried out we would have had -- >> luke is frozen up. we will try to unfreeze luke. barbara come stock, i want to come to you. you have worn a lot of hats. among the ones that i know you best as is -- i'm short of words here, a bad-ass investigator. if you are the investigator, what are your questions for these witnesses? and who do you start with? barbara as frozen for us, too. neal, you have to field the question. what are your questions for these four witnesses? who do you start with? what do you want to know from each of them. take me through all four. >> i want to start with bannon. i don't think any of us are surprised that he has a connection to the january 6th riters. that's kinds of like finding out the cast of queer eye attended a pride parade. this is a guy who has been in trump's circle and actively agitating in these types of things for a long time and has a deep rolodex connection. i would look to him. then we have the white house chief of staff, mark meadows who we already know was involved in the justice department coup attempt working with the jeffrey clark the try to pull election schennan begans and the like. this is the white house chief of staff, the number two or three person in the white house depending on how you want to count it. obviously him. cash patel is really interesting. he doesn't have the rank of these other people but he had such a conipgs when he found out about the subpoena he went out and said something like, i will continue to tell the truth to the american people about the events of january 6th and the like. great, do it. do it in public. do it under oath. i mean, but he kind of freaked out about it. and you know, this is a guy who gina haskell who defended water boarding threatened to resign over because she objected to him being her deputy. if i am cache patel i am going to be mad why people are asking around to find out why my boss thought i was worse than torture. and all of these are people who look thick as thieves. congress is absolutely right to start asking these questions. they need to do so. i suspect that the answers will point toward that person at the top of the white house at the time who is no longer there, the former guy. >> barbara, i set this up with sort of a nod to your history as an incredibly competent and tough investigator. and i want to come back to you on the same question. what is it you want to know about these men individually and in terms of what ties them together in the planning of and the conduct during the insurrection? >> well, i think we need to get every, you know, email, every text, every document that's out there because i don't particularly expect them to be very forthcoming. but by getting all of the documents, both from them and holding them in contempt if they don't provide them, but also from all the people around them, it's going to give you a tick tock of everything not just on january 5th and 6th but from election day through, really, january 20th. because, remember, steve bannon got pardoned right there at the ends of the i think you really -- you know, these witnesses, if they don't cooperate one of the bills we passed in the '90s, the republican congress under speaker gingrich passed a bill that said you can bring witnesses up and make them take the fifth amendment in front of the camera where they have to stands up there and take the oath. and then you can tell the story through their documents that you have gotten from other people or from subpoenas, the records, and you can ask them questions and tell the whole story, ask them to answer. and they will have to say, well, no, i am taking the fifth amendment on advice of counsel because i would be incriminated. as these tough guys who are out there talking every day, you know, to their team as they have to sit there under oath and refuse to answer questions, they aren't going the look very effective. so i think the documents are going to tell the story before these four witnesses do. but what these subpoenas and what the subpoena to testify is going to do is it's putting everyone involved at that white house and in that administration that were involved in this, the people on the outside -- i certainly hope it is telling them your documents are coming out whether you like it or not. i think people like trump jr. definitely needs to be subpoenaed. remember, he was in that tent right before donald trump went out to speak. he's there with mark meadows saying hey, you know how to fight. you are fighting. he obviously knows a lot of what went on in that lead-up as do other members of the family, and certainly members of the family who knew exactly what was going on on january 6th. and from the entire time from election night until then. so it's the documents. the documents. i had -- when i did investigations, we had 120 people tang the fifth amendment or flee. and the way -- this was in the campaign finance investigation during the clinton days. the way we got many of those records out there was by subpoenaing their bank records, their business records, their phone records, their emails. and they got indicted. they had -- all their -- the faction came out at the ends of the day regardless of whether they cooperated or not. that's what the committee needs to be aggressive about. we had several contempt reports, we did, to make sure that we got ahold of those documents. and they should do the same. >> and do you see the documents and the document production next to these individuals passably taking the fifth leading down the path of criminal investigation for any of these four witnesses? >> you know, i wouldn't speak to criminal at this point. i think it's important -- what often happens with members of congress, they raise expectations way too much on the criminal. what we know is this -- you know, this was an assault on our democracy by donald trump and so many in his administration and in his campaign. just that -- and what congress does -- you know, the justice department gets involved in the criminal part of this. and congress can make criminal referrals if they want to. but what it's important for the congressional investigation is to let the american public know what this was and what it was all about. and i think many people continue to this day to promote the big lie despite embarrassments like today's arizona bogus audit. that needs to be shown for what it is. and i think when you see the kind of money that these people made by promoting these big lies. i mean look at all the money raised by donald trump by organizations that many of these people are involved in now. all of that needs to be shown and can be shown through this investigation so they understand that there's a lot more to this that they are not seeing in the underground. and there is a lot of people out there, unfortunately, who not just believe this big lie, but they are writing checks in support of it. and really, what they are doing is supporting a bunch of, you know, grifters who aren't going to deliver, just like they didn't -- you know, there was a lot of money spent in arizona and look what you got. you know, it's so bad that they are putting it out on a friday at 4:00 p.m. when you don't put out good news. >> 56 more votes for joe biden is what the cyber ninjas produced. i want to focus in on the one who responded to the "new york times" can you luke. cache patel said i will continue to tell the truth to the american people about the events of january 6th. does that include the american people's representatives? is he saying he will testify before the january 6th committee if asked? >> you know, i'm not sure what to make of that statement. >> well, i certainly -- >> sorry, barbara, let me bring luke back in. i'm sorry. >> i am not sure what to make of that statement. i asked each four of them last night for a comment. i got a comment from a spokesperson for mr. patel. that's what it said. i do think they will be under tremendous pressure. i mean, these are legal subpoenas. they can try to fight them in court but as we saw with some recent rulings, eventually, they may have to testify. and i do think, you know, he has to answer a lot of tough questions about the security on january 6th and before it, why there wasn't a tougher security stance, why the national guard was so slow to respond. and then was he involved with any of the planning or conversations to undermine the election? so he has a lot of tough questions to face. and so do the other ones. >> luke, barbara, neal, thank you so much for starting us off today. when this news broke, i wanted to hear from all three of you. thank you for being here. when we come back, donald trump's election fantasy dealt a swift dose of reality today as barbara come stock just mentioned the very flawed, very dubious and yet unproven unnecessary ballot review in arizona coming to an end with president joe biden's legitimate and accurate tally of votes and win in that state, even bigger than when first counted. the latest on where these state-by-state fraudities go next. plus, the false blame 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and use a tool invented by a self proclaimed treasure hunter. we are not making this up. auditors are announcing the results at a press conference right now. thanks to reporting in the arizona republic we know that the draft version of that report states what we have known since november. president joe biden won maricopa county and therefore the state of arizona. maricopa county chairman jack sellers summed up the findings of the sham audit, quote, this means the tabulation equipment counted the ballots as they were designed to do and the results reflect the will of the voters. that should be the end of the story. everything else is just noise. i am sure it won't be. board members told the truth in the face of angry phone calls will they accept the truth now. the arizona audit has already triggered a chain reaction of partisan phony audits and investigation has the expresident and his allies i suppose hope will some day, somehow overburn president joe biden's clear and sizable decisive win in the 2020 election. even before the findings of the arizona audit were released, republicans in several states have already gotten ahead of it, doing trump's bidding by launching more election probes. the latest is texas. texas won texas by more than five points. it is unclear what they are looking for there. thetimes tries to explain eight and a half hours after trump made a public demand for greg abbott to conduct an audit, they announced a comprehensive forensic aught audit of the results from four of the state's largest country. joining us, the maricopa county recorder, also a candidate for arizona secretary of state. and alex berman is back. i know your reporting and some of the anger i see on your twitter feed -- twitter feed - is fuelling all sorts of very damaging things for our democracy, chief among them, voter suppression bills in 48 states racing through those legislatures. here you have got a phony audit where they looked for bamboo. they compromised the ballots. turns out a win, an even bigger win for joe biden. >> that's the thing, nicole is we already know that the 2020 election was the most secure election in american history because that's what trump's own administration found, in every single investigation since thens that confirmed that point. so we already knew it was a fair election. in fact, this was the most scrutinized election in american history. and every single investigation has come to the same connection and shown how rare n fact, voter fraud is. but that's not really the point of any of these bogus investigations done by republicans. the point is to try to delegitimize any democratic victory and lay the groundwork for massive voter dregs suppression. my concern here is you can look at the audit in one way and say this is a complete joke which of course it is. they spent six months, $6 million and they found what everyone else found, that joe biden was the president did win the state and actually picked up votes. on the other hand, if the goal of the audit is the try to spread lies, delegitimize the election system, to pass even more egregious voter suppression efforts then i fear they are succeeding in arizona, not just in arizona, but in pennsylvania, in wisconsin, in texas, all of the states that are doing these bogus investigations have also passed are in the process of passing extreme voter suppression laws. this is all about trying to achieve the goals of the insurrection through other means. they couldn't steal the last election so through bogue he is oppression, bogus audits, voter suppression they are doing everything to try to steal the next one. >> the other side, whatever you want to call it, the trump infected, anti-democratic party formerly known as the gop is very much laying the foundation to overturn any election that doesn't go the way of that coalition, if you can call it that. and i wonder, if your view, how important does it make -- how high stakes does it make the secretary of state contests? >> it's very high stakes. and we all really know what's going on here. it's a certain segment of the republican party that really believes that gop -- the big lie. but there is another segment of the republican party mostly elected officials, who don't believe the big lie. they are just too politically afraid of donald trump to come right out and say that this is all nonsense. and that makes this race all the more important because my opponent right now was a guy who was in your neighborhood. he was on the -- on the steps of the nation's capitol on january 6th. he has been endorsed by donald trump himself. and he's running for arizona secretary of state. you know, i'm -- i'm aghast at the idea that there are americans that there are veterans, that are there are folks who would look to these perfectly good elections, these perfectly good exercises that we have been doing for a long time using the same systems or improved systems with republicans and democrats and independents and libertarians, good citizens out there doing the work. and it take something like this, and all of the scrutiny that ari just talked about to show that maricopa county ran probably one of the best elections in the country, having been one of the most scrutinized in the history not just of arizona but in the united states of america. let's not forget. we have had just about every elections expert in the country looking a of the what we did. and we passed the test with flying colors. i am very proud of my team as the former maricopa county recorder and chief election officer for maricopa county. and i think we have got to pay close attention specifically to this race. >> ari berman, what are they doing in texas? it was already one of the hardest states in the country in custom to vote. they have already taken what the "new york times" are some of the most secure ways to vote and taken them off the table because they were available to people in largely democratic counties. they all but overturned roe. they have overturned -- what else are they trying -- what is the end game in texas? >> they have really given the game away in texas, nicole, because they are only auditing the results. i don't know what it means to audit it in texas. but they are only so-called auditing the result in the four largest counties in the state three of which went for joe biden. so they are only auditing the results in the fast-growing counties that are trending blue, places like harris county, that are the future of texas, the diverse, multiracial, bluer version of texas. that's what they are going after here. and i don't know how they are going to do this. i don't know what they are going to accomplish. as you mentioned, texas is already the hardest state to vote in. it just became that much harder to vote when greg abbott signed that voter suppression law earlier this month. but i think what we are seeing is that they are going to do everything they can to try to implement the big lie. and they are not going to stop. >> yeah. >> i mean a bunch of voter suppression bills is not enough for them. if they see a state doing something that tries to rig the election to their investigation, texas is going to jump on board of that. i would fully expect there is going to be more conspiracies being spread there and there could be even more restrictive legislation coming down the pike in a state where it is already the hardest state to vote in. >> there is some i guess attempt at oversight by congress. they have called the cyber ninjas, the stop the steal guy to testify on the arizona ballot review. what should they ask him. >> what qualified him to do this, they should ask him whether or not he had any political leanings or conspiracy theories he promoted ahead of time and what makes him the kinds of dui who he would want judging his own activities if he was on the other side of the political aisle. this thing was a sham and a scam to begin with. what you said earlier, about these folks wanting elections never to be trusted again was illustrated in his statement today. he said elections will never be secure. those words came out of his statement. at the ends of the day, those are the rantings of a wanna be dictator. and the neoyou a authoritarianism emerging in the united states of america is a danger for our democracy, as was indicated, is as dangerous as the civil war. if we don't protect our democracy, if we don't pay close attention to these state and local races. it is not just secretary of states. it is clerks and recorders, commissioners. down ballot races are among the most important because those are the folks who actually do the work on the ground. >> uh-huh. >> they have to be paid attention to by folks all across the united states of america because guess who is going to try to take those spots? g.e. guess which party is going to be focusing these big lie proponents on those kinds of races across the united states of america? as much as the secretary of state is important, those folks down there with the ones that do a lot of the heavy lifting like we did when i was the maricopa county recorder during the last cycle. >> is there as much energy and motivation by folks on the other side? to run and make sure that those folks trying to undermine democracy don't prevail? >> i sure hope so. >> me too. >> at the end of the day, what we saw in the cast vote file here in maricopa county that had emerged out there in the ether from this was that what we saw was 59,000 maricopa county voters voted for president biden and senator kelly, and then they went republican state down the ticket. now, that's some down ballot discipline that that side of the aisle. i am hoping that my side of the aisle is going to be manufacturing in that direction. arizona party is trying hard. candidates like me are trying hard. we need support, excitement, and we need to pay attention to this. this is the battle of our time. we are not using rifles, we are using pen and ink still. i would like to keep it that way. that's why i am running for secretary of state here in arizona this. honorable discharge right here doesn't come with anything in the equivalent on the civilian side. i want to make sure that my time in the marine corps and all of those other folks who were veterans and particularly the ones who never came back that their legacy defending american freedoms have resulted in every person's vote is counted and those rights are upheld. that's incredibly important to me, as it should be to every person in this country. i am hoping my side of the aisle is listening closely and looking down ballot. >> we will do our best to continue to pay attention. ari i am going to put you on the spot to help us do that. thank you to both of you. it is more than just the state by state so-called audits that really aren't that at all. it is not just the elections under attack. it is also the officials behind the election who are facing new and 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real, and very personal. now, more than eight months after the capitol attack, election workers and volunteers at all levels, and their families, are dealing with unprecedented threats of violence and death. and they are only getting worse. we reported earlier this month on a reuter's investigation which revealed that holdups of instances of harassment and intimidation resulted in only four known arrests and zero convictions. in colorado, the state's top elections official secretary of state janet gris wold says her staff has been alerted by the fbi and department of homeland security about physical threats against them. she requested private security only to be denied buy the colorado independent ethics commission earlier this week. our next guess is colorado's secretary of state, janet gris wold. she is also the chair the democratic association of secretaries of state. thank you for spends time with us today. >> of course. thank you for having me on. >> talk about your personal situation. are you still receiving threats of violence and death threats? >> yes. we're seeing election officials across the nation receive threats for simply doing our jobs. and unfortunately, some the main targets of secretaries of state are democratic women. we are seeing this as just one more barrier for women running for office and frankly for election officials doing our jobs. and the democratic association of secretaries of state recognizes the risk to election officials, to secretaries of state, and are stepping in where they can. but unfortunately haven't been able to in the state of colorado because of our laws. >> when your request for security was denied are there other places you can go to make sure that you are safe in the near term? >> well, we are definitely working on the situation to make sure that, you know, i have sufficient safeguards to do my job. but unfortunately, we are seeing this across the nation. it's not just threats to secretaries of state. it's not just our personal safety that's involved. it's actually the administration of elections. a recent report outlined that 60% of election workers in big jurisdictions are considering retiring. you know, people do these jobs because they love the nation, because they want to make sure that every eligible american can have their voice heard. but the fact is that we are seeing a vitriol that we really haven't seen before. so we really need to make sure that the federal government and state governments respond very quickly so it doesn't undermine the ability this country to administer just great elections. >> madam secretary, the -- our last guest is running to be a secretary of state in arizona. and he describes his opponent as very much an adherent to some of the false claims about fraud being a factor in 2020. we know, because bill barr and mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy and all sorts of trump allies have assured us there was no fraud. but a lot of people still believe that. and i wonder if you can just expand on the peril of having people in an office like yours who believe this nonsense and are purveyors of a dangerous lie. >> yes, we are at code red for democracy. the very people who have been lying to the american public about 2020 are now preparing to run for secretary of state. in fact, in every swing state where there is a 2022 race, we have a republican running who was either at the insurrection, a drafter of voter suppression, or lying about the 2020 election results. and the danger of this cannot be unstated. we need people who will oversee elections that believe in democracy in fact n the will of the voters. i think it is worth noting that this battle for the soul of our nation, for the continuation of democracy, is not over. we need to make sure that every single viewer is paying attention to local elections. we need to make sure that the people spreading the big lie become big losers. because right now, they are incentivized to lie to try to get power and keep power. until they stop losing, they will not stop. in 2022, democracy is going to be on the ballot. and every american voter needs to pay attention. >> colorado's secretary of state janet gris wold thank you so much for being our guest today. we are grateful. a live real world example at just how challenging this pandemic is to control. two hosts from the view pulled from the set moments before an interview with the vice president of the united states of america. we will tell you about that next. trading isn't just a hobby. it's your future. so you don't lose sight of the big picture, even when you're focused on what's happening right now. and thinkorswim trading™ is right there with you. to help you become a smarter investor. with an innovative trading platform full of customizable tools. dedicated trade desk pros and a passionate trader community sharing strategies right on the platform. because we take trading as seriously as you do. thinkorswim trading™ from td ameritrade. 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for covid. >> what we're going to try to do now is do an interview with the vice president remotely right in a couple minutes. that's the plan. >> i hope that you're in a safe spot right now. we did everything we could to make sure that you were safe because we value you so much. >> that was abc's "the view," two hosts pulled away live on the air just moments before they were to conduct an in-person interview with vice president kamala harris in front of a live studio audience. as you saw, the vice president did that interview from another location in the building. what happened today at "the view," first of all, we wish those two hosts well. we hope they're feeling okay but they're just one example of the extreme difficulty, the challenges of dealing with an ongoing, raging pandemic just as many americans are hoping to return to school and work safely. the threat of breakthrough covid cases in indoor settings, despite the growing number of vaccinations, is obviously very real. it all comes as cdc chief rochelle walensky decided late last night to break with the agency's panel and approve booster shots for frontline workers if they've received the pfizer vaccine. let's bring in dr. kavita patel. there's something i want to understand. president biden announced boosters would be rolled out in september for everyone. it was covered as some sort of setback, that the science didn't back that immunity suggested we all needed it, but does the president have an argument to make about keeping immunity at the 90%, 95% that it is right after you get your shot? are these breakthrough infections that are making opening back up so challenging an argument of boosting people ahead of where they've been recommended to do so? >> yeah, you bring up a good point, nicole, and it's not that the president was trying to get us to 90% to 95%. he was simply relaying what the data that his chief medical advisor, dr. fauci and dr. walensky and others were showing him where if you do boost people when their antibodies decrease and get them back to the 90%, 95% level, they can have that protection against the delta variant and it can provide a decreasing reproductive rate. doesn't affect the virus itself but it affects the ability of the virus to replicate because the immunity is just so strong. so the president certainly kind of got out in front of all the things that have happened in the last two weeks with the fda and the cdc, but his information and reason for doing so was sound, because, put it this way, nicole. do you want to wait until you see breakthroughs that lead to severe hospitalization, that lead to deaths to take an action when the data is so compelling, or do you want to make it preventive? and his scientists recommended to go on the side of choosing to prevent it, to really be in front of this. it was unfortunate to kind of have the fda and cdc follow the president's words. it would have been better to see it the other way around but we came to a different place than the president said, i just want to make that clear. not everybody getting a booster the way he said. >> well, let me ask you this. it seems like we spend all of our time talking about the unvaccinated, and i pray for the unvaccinated, especially the young women who are dying, pregnant in hospitals, and can't be convinced to take a shot. and i know there's new data that suggests that babies born to vaccinated mothers actually have some antibodies and some protection. it's a tragedy of my lifetime, watching people die who don't have to die, but is enough attention being paid to the prerogatives of the vaccinated? tell me what the calculation is. i mean, you're a frontline healthcare worker so obviously you're eligible for a booster, but if someone wants one, what is the wait time likely to be? are we going to wait until breakthrough infections become a really thing like what we saw at "the view" today? >> no, and i think that's why the six-month time period really gives us that -- what i would say would be a very normal vaccine series for other viral illnesses where you get two doses and maybe two or three months and then six months later, another dose, so that's very traditional, nicole and kind of matches what the science shows us. i want to say this about breakthrough infections, though. we have not done an accurate job of really measuring, capturing and reporting. we've had rates from 0.1%, but we're seeing that increase because of your point that our immunity is decreasing but i do want to make clear that breakthrough infections are not in and of itself themselves the danger. it's when we start to see that they result in these hospitalizations and deaths, and of course we don't want to wait for that. so just to put a fine point on it. i think the boosters are a way to prevent everybody, including the vaccinated, from being kind of potential place to spread the virus, but the most important way to stop spread of the virus is to focus on the 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we need to stop worrying about an upcoming constitutional crisis. why? because it's already here. kagan lays out in great detail the threat the cult of personality around trump creates for this country right now. how trump supporters believe not the party, not the policy, but the man himself is the answer to all their problems and how in washington, party loyalty now comes before all else. about trump's party, kagan writes this. "the republican party today is a zombie party. its leaders go through the motions of governing in pursuit of traditional republican goals, wrestling over infrastructure spending and foreign policy, even as real power in the party has leeched away to trump. let's take the news just today." republicans so full of lies and desperation to appease the twice-impeached ex-president, guess what? it not only confirmed that president joe biden won the election there. it found that he did so by an even slightly larger margin. today there's also the news that the select committee has issued its first subpoenas of that fateful day, the day on which our democracy was under attack and elected officials, including mike pence's lives were threatened. it's viewed by trump supporters as a good thing, a display of patriotism. and republicans in congress have downplayed or denied what happened that day for political gain, which brings us back to that somber warning from kagan, who writes this, quote, the u.s. is heading into its greatest political and constitutional crisis since the civil war with a reasonable chance over the next three to four years of incidents of mass violence, a breakdown of federal authority, and the division of the country into warring red and blue enclaves. the warning signs may be obscured by the distractions of politics, the pandemic, the economy and global crises, and by wishful thinking and denial. but about these things, there should be no doubt. first, donald trump will be the republican candidate for president in 2024. and second, trump and his republican allies are actively preparing to ensure his victory by whatever means necessary. it is an effort happening in plain sight as we witness state legislatures all across this country racing to pass restrictive voting law after restrictive voting law, like in texas, where 24-hour and drive-thru voting, where there was no fraud, not even republicans found any, have been banned. they're illegal now. and in georgia, again, there was no fraud. but it is now harder there to cast a mail-in ballot. there was no fraud with mail-in battles. partisan legislatures now wield more power over election results, all of this setting the stage for more chaos. only the federal government would act. on that, kagan writes this. quote, we are already in a constitutional crisis. the destruction of democracy might not come until november 2024, but critical steps in that direction are happening now. in a little more than a year, it may become impossible to pass legislation to protect the electoral process in 2024. now, it is impossible only because anti-trump republicans or even some democrats refuse to tinker with the filibuster. it is impossible because despite all that has happened, some people still wish to be good republicans. even as they oppose trump. these decisions will not wear well as the nation tumbles into full-blown crisis, and that is where we begin this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. matt dowd is here, political strategist and founder of country over party. also joining us, melissa murray, law professor at nyu and an msnbc contributor. and kurt anderson joins us, co-creator and former host of wnyc studio 360, now author of the books "fantasyland" and "evil geniuses." i want to start with you, matt dowd, because every word of this is something you've said on this program. your thoughts? >> well, i agree almost completely with what was said in that column and what was laid out. i actually think today our democracy is broken, and i think the evidence of a broken democracy goes back to 2016, the election result, the fact that donald trump got into the oval office and was commander in chief of this country and there were no guardrails in place, that allowed that to happen, that didn't prevent that from happening from this. the only part of that column that i'll dispute is it seems to cede sort of power to donald trump and i take a broader look at this. the problem is that it's like "animal house," the movie, where the frat that's out of control is now in charge of the campus, and what it used to be, there were elements in both political parties that were -- you were not good and the democratic party for many years and the republican party for many years. but there was a system in place so they didn't hold power and you could calm those down and all the things that abraham lincoln's talked about and george washington's talked about, this sort of emotional partisanship and all that could be calmed down, that was sort of the design of the system to do that. but now the mob has been let loose. the mob has been let loose. it's what's happened in the republican party and there's no leader in the republican party or almost would say the unicorn leaders in the republican party are anybody trying to call -- making a warning to this, to speak to them, to speak truth to them. so when you have no leaders of a party speaking truth to the mob, and then you have an inability of some democrats to understand democracy is at stake, and that's why i -- you and i have had this conversation about the filibuster. i don't understand why, if you believe democracy's at stake and you believe democracy's fundamentally broken and you believe we're headed into a crisis, how you can still retain a something that's not even in the constitution, a rule, the filibuster, and that you're unwilling to give up that in order to save democracy. that's the part -- there's a disconnect to me. i mean, if you ask these people that say, don't abandon the filibuster, many of them will agree, there's a huge problem with democracy. we need this or that. oh, by the way, don't do the one thing that we could do to try to stave off this over the long-term, and so i completely agree. i think today, our democracy is broken, and the reason why we're in the state we are in, in the senate, in the presidency with trump and then in some of the news media who speaks lies to the public and in places like here in texas where we've got the republican leadership is out of control. i mean, completely out of control. the most cruel, craven decisions they're making, not held accountable to it. we're there. we're in that moment today, and the question for all of us is what do we do? >> what do we do, matt dowd? >> well, to me, what do we do? i mean, my only thing i can think of is, one, shows like yours. other panelists speaking the truth, trying to convey that. but that's not enough, because we've been trying to do that for four or five years and it hasn't been enough. to me, it's worsened. we've worsened after the 2020 election, which i thought was the most important election in our history. i think 2022, we're going to confront this more than ever, the soul of our country, and the elements of our democracy are at stake in 2022, and 2022 is by far way more important than 2020, because what happens if the republicans win in 2022? it means that everything they've done, january 6th, all the things that have happened, all the way they've conducted themselves in the aftermath of the 2020 election, they're going to be let loose with no reins if they get power back, because there's no constraint on them at that point. zero constraint on them at that point. so, to me, speak truth, but honestly, vote democratic from the top to the bottom to try to force the republicans to change what they're doing. >> kurt, you wrote something yesterday that informed all of my thinking and all of my coverage of what's happening in washington this week and i want to read this tweet that you wrote. one party doesn't want to debate policy or legislate or govern, so the other party with the fleeting, historic opportunity to pass good policy crazily creates its own intramural simulation of fractious gridlock two-party system. it's an explanation, i think, for what matt dowd is talking about. this moment, and perhaps one that will not come again for a very long time. the thing about the voting restriction laws is that they make it harder for the moderate democrats to ever see the inside of the halls of congress ever, ever again. so, the notion that it's covered, like, an issue for the activists. the activists, the progressive democrats, they're safe. it's the moderates that will never win seats again, and i wonder what you make of this moment for the democratic party. >> well, it is -- i mean, i was being amusing and glib with that tweet because that's twitter, but it's true that here we have a nihilistic party that wants to do nothing but to do nothing and make nothing happen. and this excessive sort of everybody being a suicide bomber among the democrats as well as the traditional republicans with their constant, of course, threat to, over the last years, which used to be unthinkable to not pass -- to raise the debt ceiling and so forth. i think, you know, the question of the precariousness of democracy and as you've been saying, 2022 is it. we also have only a year. speaking of the democrats, to pass these big bills or even half of these big bills that continue to show swing voters all over america that, wow, the democrats really are doing something for me. they are different. they have a different economic vision of sharing the american wealth than the republicans do, yeah, i like -- i'm going to vote for them. so, they're not two separate issues. yes, the voting rights bill is, of course, necessary to try to stem these -- all these laws that are being passed in georgia and texas and elsewhere, to make voting easier, more possible, more democratic, small "d," but i think this other thing, the big bills, and you know, $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill could be passed on monday. but then there's this other however big it ends up being that is still half-baked, this $3.5 trillion bill. the more money that can be shoved out of washington into people's pockets to make their lives better, which all of these $4 trillion would do will give people, give voters faith in the democratic idea. i mean, that's the other thing. many people have written books about the death of democracy, which comes -- often comes down to, in other countries, that democracy is not providing prosperity and goods for people, and that will be, could be the death of our democracy if people feel, well, what am i getting out of this government? they can't even do -- they run all three branches of government, the democrats, and they can't even pass bills that help me. so, yeah, we are in a precarious place, and it's not just the authoritarian fiddling with the ways we do or don't vote that is the source of that threat to democracy. >> yeah, i mean, melissa, kurt is articulating president joe biden's view on how to save democracy. it is to deliver. it is to show that in a democratic country, a benevolent leader, makes sure that shots in arms are administered, that no matter where you live, you're within five miles of a vaccine, two smots if it's a two-shot regimen, that fixing our roads and bridges is how to do exactly what kurt's articulating, keep democrats in power because they deliver and in a democracy, the citizenry has a right to feel that its government is responsive. and/but we're on "the titanic," as matt dowd says, the tension seems to be this is all happening right now. i want to read a little bit more from this kagan piece and ask if you agree. he writes, the world will look very different in 14 months if as seems likely the republican zombie party wins control of the house. at that point, with the political wind clearly blowing in his favor, trump is all but certain to announce his candidacy and social media constraints on his speech are likely to be lifted since facebook and twitter would have a hard time justifying censoring his campaign. with his megaphone back, trump would once again dominate news coverage. this time, trump would have advantages that he lacked in '16 and '20, including more loyal officials in state and local governments. the republicans in congress and the backing of gop donors, think tanks, journals of opinion, and he will have the trump movement, including many who are armed and ready to be activated again. who's going to stop him then? on its current trajectory, the 2024 republican party will make the 2020 republican party seem positively defiant. what do you think of that? >> i think it's a great piece. it's a chilling and harrowing piece, but one of the things it does and i think does well is to point at what the political branches are doing. what it does less well is to talk about how the courts have actually enabled all of this. so when you talk about president trump being able to amass a large war chest, to enlist the support of dark organizations and dark money, all of that is aided by decisions of the united states supreme court in just the most recent term. consider the decision in americans for prosperity versus banta, which dismantled a california disclosure requirement on the grounds that that requirement invaded the privacy rights and the first amendment rights of individual charitable organizations. it's very much the case that that decision will likely have implications for campaign finance down the road. when you think about the arizona voting decision that the court delivered also at the end of its term, in that opinion, justice alito seemed to credit the big lie by saying that states have a right to intervene to prevent fraud in the electoral process, even though evidence of such fraud was glancingly there. so i think we need to think about how the different branches are being weaponized in this particular campaign. it's not just congress. it's not just the executive. it's not state legislatures alone. all of this has been aided by the court and the courts, the lower federal courts as well, and so our interest in all of this is not simply in policy measures that are aimed at counteracting this but thinking about all the things that go into how we staff the judiciary that's supposed to be a backstop and a bulwark against this kind of authoritarianism. >> well, it's anything but. i mean, one thing that donald trump did depressingly well was stack the courts, not just the united states supreme court but democrats now study the way don mcgahn and mitch mcconnell stacked the courts. what is the answer to that, melissa? >> i mean, again, there have been a lot of things floated, talk of structural reform of the courts, and again, that can be a double-edged sword. if we reform the courts by adding new members, that too could result in a change in party and an effort to stack the courts in a different direction, so all of this has to be carefully considered, but i think there can be a number of structural interventions that fall short of stacking the court or expanding the supreme court. we can change the way we deal with the shadow docket, limit the kind of decisions the court can make, limit the court's jurisdiction in certain respects. if there is a situation like these voting law cases that come before the court, the court has been the one to dismantle the voting rights act. we could limit the court's ability to actually intervene in cases involving voter rights by stripping its jurisdiction in those respects, so i think there are a lot of things that we can do, short of the sort of nuclear option of expanding the court but we have to be willing to talk about them and to put the courts on the table, not just congress, not just the executive, not just the states, but the courts as well. >> kurt, there is something structurally that disadvantaged democrats and it's restraint and respect for institutions. republicans have none, and i wonder if you think at this point that gives them an operational advantage. >> gives the republicans -- yes, and it's not even structural. it's norms. nobody is forcing them to not play as tough and have as much discipline in the house and senate as the republicans do. it's just this, you know, it's what we -- it's the cuteness. it's the adorable sweetness of democrats, no, let's still try to be bipartisan. which obviously that isn't working very well now. i will say, about the courts, however, and you know, i've written at length about the federalist society and this long game of what the right has done to the courts. however, it was in dozens of cases, as the republicans, as the trumpists trying to overturn this election, it was in many cases republican-appointed federal judges who didn't allow that to happen. right? so the bulwark is not gone yet. and again, i don't want to be pollyanna, dr. pangloss here either. >> we could use some of that. >> what didn't happen in arizona is, you know, is somewhat heartening. maybe -- and we'll look back on that in a year or two and go, yeah, that was the last time that they didn't simply proceed illegally to invalidate a free and fair election. but you know, my motto in these -- in this trump era and the pandemic era tends to be, could be worse. >> yeah. i mean, i guess the only button here i would offer here a bar shouldn't be so low that a stop the steal imagined fraud in arizona that we, like, eked by, we all say, wow, democracy survived another day. but to be continued. i take your point. matt dowd, melissa murray, kurt anderson, you all made my brain hurt. thank you so much for starting us off. when we come back, now that that fake audit in arizona has confirmed what we all knew, that joe biden won, republicans in other swing states are moving forward with fraudits of their own and democrats are now pushing back. plus, house democrats vote to protect abortion rights in america in the face of strict new measures in red states all across the country. the latest comes from florida where republicans there have introduced a texas-style near complete ban on abortions. and the biden administration making good on its promise to pay back school officials who were fined for trying to keep kids safe by supporting mask mandates there. the florida superintendent at the center of that fight who has joined us in the past will be our guest later in the hour. 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>> well, is it sort of this classic, you know, pseudoevent? i mean, is that all it is? are you concerned that there's actually something they could -- i mean, once people's personal information is in the hands of these republicans and whomever they tap, it's not like in arizona, they got the best and brightest. the cyber ninjas weren't really experts in anything. what are your concerns about the personal information of all pennsylvanians getting turned over to anybody? >> it's astonishing. i mean, this database wouldn't even be secure. this is literally something you could throw on a thumb drive and drop on the dark web or make a copy of it and sell it to the highest bidder. this idea that you would amass the personal information of 8 to 9 million pennsylvania voters and the thing that's even more shocking is, this is republican voters too. i mean, they have an equal amount of skin in that fraud -- identity theft game as the democrats do in this, and you know, you can't be the party of, don't tread on me, but also don't tread on me, but we also want all of your social security numbers, date of births and driver's license numbers and et cetera, so we can find out how you voted in an election that everybody from newsmax to fox news and now the arizona gop acknowledges, joe biden has won now. >> what is the sentiment on the ground in pennsylvania? i mean, do you have disaffected republicans who don't believe the 80,000 vote margin is real? what is the state of the trump voter? >> i mean, everybody -- and no one more than the elected officials themselves on the republican side know that joe biden won, and most republicans do. i mean, i'm sure there's a strident fringe of republicans that cling to that fantasy, but no one, you know, anyone, really, knows that this is just some kind of desperate, sad performance art for an audience of one, trying to create this sense of performance art for the former president. that's all this is. and now that the arizona, you know, audit has collapsed and actually affirmed joe biden's victory by a greater margin, where on earth can pennsylvania go? now they're just setting millions of us up for a massive identity fraud catastrophe, and i want to point out, my identity and numbers and information is in that database along with all the other voters because i'm a voter in this state as well too. it's utterly absurd from an electoral strategy. i mean, run on anything other than, hey, we want to create a massive unsecured database, you know, it's utterly bizarre and it's ultimately not going to go anywhere. and it's certainly not going to have a meaningful impact on joe biden's outcome here in our state. >> do you think it's a political loser as well? a lot of the national coverage is about how animated the republican base is nationally by the lie but in pennsylvania, is it a loser? would they rather see the economy thriving and schools opening? talk about the politics of this there. >> absolutely it's a loser. like, you know, if it wasn't for this idea that my identity could be stolen along with 8 or 9 million of my fellow voters, both republican and democrat, i would be, like, hey, bring it on if that's what you want. i mean, you know, you might be a hero in franklin county, pennsylvania, but you can't scale up the lunatic fringe and win statewide in pennsylvania. you know, this -- the gop knows that this isn't a winning strategy. in fact, if you remember, they started this election cycle not wanting to relitigate 2020, but they got dragged into it, and now they're stuck with this massive, you know, set of subpoenas that has outraged people on both sides of the aisle, subpoenaing their personal information, and when arizona, you know, goes down the tubes, what on earth can you possibly accomplish in a state that joe biden won by 80,000 votes and there's absolutely nowhere to go other than just turn this database over to, like i said, some dude off the penny saver and god knows what's going to happen to all of our voter information if it even gets that far. >> just sounds so ludicrous when you say it out loud. somehow on twitter -- you know, like, risk identity theft. >> it's what they're doing. >> in service of the man baby's hurt feelings. it's insane. do you think you can kill it? do you think the state can kill it? >> if it goes to the commonwealth court, the commonwealth court has a strong republican bend and even they, i don't think, would honor these subpoenas, but ultimately, if they do, i believe the commonwealth court here in pennsylvania gave president trump his only court victory out of, i think, 58 or 59 losses, who's counting, but ultimately it will end up at the pennsylvania supreme court, and you know, it won't go any further than that, but other than shred, you know, whatever credibility the gop has left in terms of just basic integrity, is already gone. it will just be interesting to see how they try to disengage themselves from this burgeon train wreck and identity theft catastrophe in waiting. >> we will stay on it. lieutenant governor john fetterman of pennsylvania, thank you so much for spending time with us today. when we come back, what house democrats are doing to push back against the republicans' war on reproductive freedoms all across this country. that story's next. cross this country. that story's next. s more than gd steel... and stone. it's awe. beauty. the measure of progress. it's where people meet people. where cultures and bonds are made between us. where we create things together. open each other's minds. raise each other's ambitions. and do together, what we can't do apart. this is space for dreams. loopnet. the most popular place to find a space. we did it again. verizon has been named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ it's a new dawn... ♪ if you've been taking copd sitting down, it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy helps people breathe easier and improves lung function. it also helps prevent future flare-ups. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. take a stand and start a new day with trelegy. ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy. and save at trelegy.com. is your family ready for an emergency? 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this is so extreme. this is so outside the mainstream. and i obviously -- protecting women and protecting women's bodies and their health is the first, second, third, and fourth reason, but i wonder if you could speak to the politics of this moment. >> and i hope that the senate understands that this is bipartisan and it should be a nonpartisan issue. because, in fact, young people now, especially young people of color, really understand and live in a country where abortion access has always been in their lives in terms of their choices. i believe young people are going to rise up and understand they're going to have to even be more powerful. their voices are going to be heard louder in terms of voter registration, voter mobilization, and voting members of elected officials in or out of office based on this one polling number that we have seen in terms of the public. these are democrats and republicans who believe in reproductive freedom, and so yes, there's so many people who have never, ever experienced a world without abortion access and the full range of reproductive health services, and so this is a violation of their basic healthcare rights, their freedoms, and so i believe that, you know, elected officials have got to listen now to young people who are going to mobilize because they're under attack also. >> congresswoman barbara lee, this important thing happened today. thank you for spending time with us to talk about it. when we come back, the biden administration making good on its promise to reimburse school officials who are fined for keeping kids safe by supporting mask mandates. the superintendent who battled florida's governor, ron desantis, over masks will be our next guest. don't go anywhere. will be our next guest don't go anywhere. once upon a time, at the magical everly estate, landscaper larry and his trusty crew... were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. tums vs. mozzarella stick so it was a happy ending... when heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums chewy bites. fast heartburn relief in every bite. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites what the world needs now... is people. people who see healthcare a little bit differently. where technology helps doctors provide more precise care... leading to faster, better outcomes and puts improved health in all of our hands. because seeing a healthier world isn't far in the future. we're building it... now. ge building is mealtime a struggle? 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>> so, no. our quarantining are for 500 children who have been either exposed to an index case, so a positive student. those are the ones who are being quarantined. we're about 3% of those that we have who would end up being positive with covid, that seems to be about our numbers, but our covid positivity rates are much lower. >> i want to ask you about what example you've set. you spoke out. you took a stand to protect the kids. they're in school. they're doing what every parent wants their kids to be doing. they're off at school with their friends and teachers. but there was this leap of faith between the time that you did that and when the federal funds have come in. just talk about whether you have heard from other districts, whether you feel like the grant money is enough. what has your experience been? >> so, we have collaborated with other districts who are in similar spaces that we are with their mask mandate. i think there is, you know, there's a level of feeling that we are doing the right thing for our students and perhaps, you know, some level of anxiety of how this is all going to fall out. we know that we have differing opinions from the governor, the surgeon general, and the commissioner of education, but we also are very much focused on providing those safe environments. it has been helpful throughout this whole time. we have had the support of president biden and the secretary of education, and although it hadn't, like, been finalized with the grant being awarded, we really had repeatedly heard their support and they had been providing, you know, not only the commitment to financially help us but they have also helped us as far as, you know, navigating any of the covid questions that we have and political components and legal components as well. components and legal components, as well. >> from where we sit, governor desantis looks so intoxicated by the politics of this. i can't find any science that doesn't back masks, as one of the only things that you can do, especially for kids under 12 years old, to keep them safe from covid. i think there are five kids hospitalized right now, in your county. do you have any better perspective from where you sit on the motives of blocking mask mandates from governor desantis? 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