investigations, we had 120 people tang the fifth amendment or flee. and the way this was in the campaign finance investigation during the clinton days. the way we got many of those records out there was by subpoenaing their bank records, their business records, their phone records, their emails. and they got indicted. they had all their the faction came out at the ends of the day regardless of whether they cooperated or not. that s what the committee needs to be aggressive about. we had several contempt reports, we did, to make sure that we got ahold of those documents. and they should do the same. and do you see the documents and the document production next to these individuals passably taking the fifth leading down the path of criminal investigation for any of these four witnesses? you know, i wouldn t speak to criminal at this point. i think it s important what often happens with members of congress, they raise expectations way too much on the