also measures to keep people safe from covid led to clashes and chaos in the streets of miami beach and just bought beachgoers an extended lockdown. plus, as americans rally against hate, how do we keep it going. why is there such a grand old fight over the filibuster? welcome to a brand-new hour of "american voices." if you're watching what's happening at our southern border, you might be pretty confused about what's happening, why it's happening, how usual or unusual it is. and what exactly constitutes a crisis. the u.s. border is closed. >> we're focussed on mission. and that is securing the border. and the border is secure. the border is closed. the border is secure. the border is closed. we've been unequivocal in that. the message is quite clear. do not come. the border is closed. the border is secure. >> reporters, like my colleague, jacob soboroff have been to the border and reported this out. but under the biden administration, migrant children are being allowed through. the why, why are they coming, is much more complicated. much more come to reunite with family members. this video taken friday shows dozens of migrants after they cross the rio grande river on rafts waiting for asylum in texas. there is an increase at the border. around 3500 migrants per day. this past friday, 5500. 200 were expelled. the rest allowed to stay in the u.s. to await their court dates. of the 2800 single adults encountered friday, nearly 2200 were denied entry. there is, of course, lots of finger pointing around the increase. >> this crisis is created by the presidential policies of this new administration. there's no other way to claim it than a biden border crisis. >> texas is willing to step up and help out. but this is the biden administration's responsibility. >> i'm very concerned at the administration's rhetoric and policies. they're encouraging more to attempt this dangerous journey. >> it's true, the border is closed. we are expelling families. we are expelling single adults, and we've made a decision that we will not expel young, vulnerable children. we are executing on our plans. and quite frankly, when we are finished doing so the american public will look back on this and say we secured the ordinary. >> republicans argue biden has encouraged illegal immigration by rolling back trump's policies, but border arrests have been gradually rising since a sharp decline in april 2020 as countries shut borders due to the pandemic. again, these increases are not new, look at the data. back in 2014, see that line under obama. and then in 2019, over to the right under trump, there were similar spikes. a side note. i take issue with a lot of the language being thrown around to describe the situation, even by people who don't intend to be inflammatory or inaccurate, so i won't be using words like surge or wave to describe the situation, because i never want to forget that what we are really talking about is people e you're talking about people for whom home has become so dangerous, so untenable, it's a question of basic survival, that they have decided to travel thousands of miles in the hopes that america will provide refuge and relief. this all brings us to the big question, is this a crisis? kids showing up a the a border without capacity to house and place them swiftly with existing family? yes, that is a humanitarian crisis. and let's not forget about mexico, too, where living in a shelter is a way of life as recently reported by my colleague, gabe gutierrez. >> reporter: youngest children, that's all they know, an agonizing wait for asylum. we're desperate, janine torres tells us. as a mother, we want the best for our kids. at this shelter in met morass, mexico, she allowed us to film their family. some have been waiting for asylum for more than a year. they feel like they're in limbo. >> the problem is that the word crisis gets weaponized to make americans feel that they have something to fear, that they have something to lose. that's how we end up with big, beautiful walls that don't work. that's how we end up distracted from real people, the real things that threaten our security and safety. joining me, chief advocacy officer, chair of families belong together. jess, president biden just moments ago returning to the white house from camp david was asked if he plans to visit the border. take a listen. >> are you thinking of going to the border? >> at some point i will, yes. >> do you want to see first hand what's going on in those facilities? >> i know what's going on in those facilities. >> i have to say it does seem that when lawmakers go to the border this takes on a different sense of passion, of urgency. how soon do you believe the president needs to head down there, and what message will it send that the administration is prioritizing that trip? >> the biden administration has already sent officials down there, which i think was really smart. they reported directly back to the president. i do think it's important for the president and vice president to go down there to see what's really happening. we have seen this happen in 2018 and in 2014. and this is especially important, because republicans are going down to the border right now. and they're using their bully pulpit to spread complete misinformation and lies about what's happening. we need moral leadership from president biden, from vice president harris, to make sure that we talk about the truth of what is happening right now, which is absolutely different from what republicans are trying to portend is the situation at the border. >> tease that out for me. when you talk about the misinformation that you're hearing, because i think it is really important that people understand and are able to sort and sift through it for themselves. what is the misinformation and what is the truth of what we're watching at the southern border? >> i would say that we are in a challenge right now. republicans are calling it a surge, a crisis. i would say this is a challenging time in our country's history. but the number one most important thing to know about this is this is because of the backlog created by president trump and steven miller and their evil immigration policies. we are cleaning up that backlog now. and we are seeing some more children. it's getting warm outside. i don't know if you've noticed. so everyone wants to get outside. and of course i think after four years of such terrible, evil policies, it doesn't surprise me that people are thinking about whether or not they could make a long, denied journey to the ooubs. so it's very important for us to know all of that. it's hurricane season in central america. that's also why people are coming here. all of this is incredibly logical, easily explained and based in facts. unlike what republicans are doing, which is playing to people's fears and playing to people's racism. they're in fact following the trump playbook. and what we saw over the last four years with the trump immigration playbook is it was all about fear. it was all about the worst parts of our government and our system. we can't go back to that in any policy and especially in trump's signature immigration policy. >> i want to play sound from mayorkas on fox this morning. take a listen. >> are you suggesting that every minor, the thousands and thousands of minors coming across this country has a legitimate asylum claim and that a lot of them aren't just coming across the border because they want to have a better life here? which is understandable but isn't necessarily our responsibility. >> we are encouraging families not to send their children along the dangerous journey, because so many do not make it safely. we are encouraging them not to do so. yet, if they arrive at the border, we have a responsibility to allow them to make their claims under united states law. and to address -- these are vulnerable children. >> erica, you have been leading on this issue as long as i have known you. you have been out in front during the obama years, during the trump years, now during the biden years, and that is because this is lived. this is personal for you. what should lawmakers understand about what their responsibility is when it comes to these people who are seeking asylum at our border? >> well, first of all, we have to go back to some of the things that you were saying of the humanity, right? when you talk about a crisis, people are going to hear different context to the word, right? some people are going to hear crisis and think oh, my god, we're getting invaded, i mean, sort of the fox, you know, rhetoric that usually happens. some people are going to wonder, you know, what is going on with the children. and so there's a lot that people might think of, right? to me, i think about the human beings that are crossing the border and the children who are crossing the border. i was one of them. i was 11 years old when my mom, when my 2-year-old brother, my little brother, we were crossing the border. we tried two times. we were arrested bit border patrol, and trust me, it is absolutely scary. it is so scary to do that, but we did it because we needed to find a place where we could be safe. and we needed to find a place where we could find home. and that's what we decided to do, and i, i see that in a lot of the children that we see, you know, when we do intakes, when we talk to them, try to figure out where they're from, why they're leaving, and we realize it's not just about the bully factors, it's not just about the u.s. seeming like a really beautiful place to come, but also the reasons why they're leaving is very important. important for us to talk about. and it needs to be noted, right, and politicians need to talk about that as well, not just the reasons why they're coming, but why are they leaving, and what are we going to do about it, and how are we going to become a welcoming country that we should be. >> let's talk, jess, about what it would be like to be a welcoming country that welcomes with dignity, the biden administration opening a new temporary overflow facility in texas. they're spending $86 million for hotel rooms around the border to house 1200 families. can you give me a sense of what's realistic at this point when it comes to safe, adequate shelter for these migrants? >> yeah, i think the most important thing to say is that under normal circumstances, we don't want anyone to be in detention. we believe deeply it's important to end detention in all forms. because the trump administration has left our system decimated the biden folks are in a little bit of a bind. that's why it's really important to get children out of detention as fast as possible, even if it's in an orr facility and reunite them with family in the united states or other responsible adults like sponsors. it's also really important to make sure that the conditions inside those facilities for children near a normal childhood as much as humanly possible. while children are in the custody of the united states government, we need to make sure they're getting adequate care and attention. they need to get school. meals, time outside, time to do things that normal kids do, like play and sing and art. all that stuff. if we cannot do that, we are not meeting our obligation to keep these children safe and to treat them with dignity and respect. it's absolutely essential that children are at the forefront of this, because we have a responsibility to take care of every single one. i'm not a mom, but one of my friends who's a mom said to me if my kids showed up on someone's doorstep, i want them to treat them the way i would treat my own children. that really resonates with me. i think it's really important that we would treat these children as if they were our own. >> erica, i have about 30 seconds, but i want to give you the final word. >> yes, we have to look ahead. what are we going to do for this challenge, to not be a challenge next year. what are we going to do for this challenge not to be a challenge in the next few years, and it has been for years now. it doesn't have to be. so let's, let's look ahead and let's see, let's meet the challenge right now and ensure moving forward we are working and that we are really demanding, right, for the biden administration that we work towards creating a system at the border that is welcoming people and that is ready to welcome the children that are coming to seek a better life in this country. we can do it. i know we can do it. we're the united states of america. we can do it. >> erica, jess, thank you both so much for your time. still ahead, senator ron johnson doubles down on comments about the capitol attack as we learn new details about the investigation and what detectives are doing to track down each and every member of that mob. plus, how can all of us end asian hate. i'll ask actress olivia munn. we've got breaking news out of miami beach, the city extending its curfew after violent clashes overnight. but first to richard ui with a look at the stories we are watching. >> lloyd austin made a surprise visit to afghanistan today. he met with afghan president ghani. a deadline negotiated between the taliban and the trump administration. arkansas set to lift its mask mandate at the end of the month, the seventh state to ease mask restrictions. case across arkansas have leveled out. but experts warn covid variants could change all that. march madness is under way and one team has already lost to covid. vcu was forced to forfeit their game after multiple vcu players tested positive. more "american voices" right after this bake. no, buddy! only pay for what you need. instantly clear every day congestion ♪ librake.ake.er, libert, liberty, liberty. ♪rakeake with vicks sinex saline nasal mist. for drug free relief that works fast. vicks sinex. instantly clear everday congestion. advil dual action fights pain 2 ways. it's the first and only fda approved combination of advil plus acetaminophen. advil targets pain. acetaminophen blocks it. advil dual action. fast pain relief that lasts 8 hours. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ t-mobile is upgrading its network at a record pace. we were the first to bring 5g nationwide. and now that sprint is a part of t-mobile, we're turning up the speed. upgrading over a thousand towers a month with ultra capacity 5g to bring speeds as fast as wi-fi to cities and towns across america. and we're adding more every week. coverage and speed, who says you can't have it all? 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>> it's been really tough for our community u obviously. and you know, we've been asking for a while, like how many bodies will it take for people to care, and it turns out that it takes eight. and we're in this position now, it shouldn't have come to that, but we do have an immense amount of gratitude for everyone standing up for us right now. the protests today, the protests over the last few days, the naacp in georgia helping us so much and really standing up with us. it has been really emotional for us to feel that we are at the beginning of a change that will actually, well, actually really matter. it's not just protesting anymore. these protests will hopefully lead to actual policy change. >> i mean, jose, when you called me about a month ago and said this is happening, you need to be covering it. you have a responsibility to do it. i'll admit i was not aware of the extent to which the pervasiveness of this had taken over. what has shifted? what has changed in this past month? and why was it able to go on for so long without more people, more major media institutions taking note? >> well, look, first of all, really credit your team there, i was, i was e-mailing everybody, getting, trying to get people to care, msnbc care, your show cared. your show was the first that really highlighted all of this. since the beginning of this pandemic i think we've seen, what, 3,800 anti-asian incidents, mostly against asian women in the past year, right? and i think, to me, what that really signifies is how in many ways asian-americans in this country, asian-americans and pacific islanders have been rendered invisible. we're not invisible to us. we're the fastest-growing racial group, fastest-growing immigrant group. something as vast as income inequality are the greatest. and that's totally against the asian minority myth that asian people have always had to battle really since the '80s. >> there is that wealth disparity that jose's talking about. there's the fact that you're talking about multiple countries of origin, a multi-linguistic group. and i also can feel this sense of when i'm checking in on my friends that is both like thanks for the call, thank you for checking in. but also, what more? what next? else are you going to do to show off in this moment, what is that answer to the question of how we continue to push this forward? >> absolutely. i mean, as olivia alluded to earlier, it's part community. as we learned with slavery, even though the 13th amendment was ratified 1865, it would be decades before black americans could vote, could own the home they lived in, to even to this day have economic and social parity. this is incumbent on individual communities to do two things. one is, a lot of these families need relief. they're devastated because their matriarchs are physically incapacitated. so going to donate to these fund raisers, such as gofundme.com is one place we need to start. but the second place we also need to go to, a disproportionate number of attacks have been happening against asian women. when you see attacks against asian women, whether in the streets or where they're least likely to be promoted to management, we have a broader, systemic problem. how do we deploy and collaborate with the media to project affirming and positive portrayals of asian women and asians in general. how do we put our hearts where our hands and wallets are. and api businesses, not to make this a suppression olympics, but they have been most disproportionately impacted. multi-culturally owned businesses have been most impacted. each of us can start to patron every day, every week, to help them weather the storm. i think as tacky as it sounds that money outside of policy industry is another way we can unify these multi-cultural groups to address these longer-term systemic problems. >> i love that the two men on the panel are the ones who brought up the question of gender. as jose said, there is this research from aapi showing nearly 3800 anti-asian incidents last year. women have reported twice as many as men. what does that tell you that more women, that women are more likely to be targeted when it comes to the asian american community? >> we were targeted because we're more vulnerable. asian women and the elderly. if you look at who's being attacked, there are people who really don't have the strength to fight back. and we need help. we need people to see what's happening to us. we need people to stand up and say something and to stop it, because right now we are being targeted, and especially these groups. i mean, there's a reason why this guy, the shooter in atlanta went to only asian spas. you know, there is a race issue there. it was a hate crime, but also he was targeting women. you know, we are fetishized in this country, and we are, it's interesting what you said alicia about being invisible and also feeling like we're hypervisible right now. you know, it's people, our pain is invisible, but our faces are not, to people. and it's just this, it's a really, it's really hard for us to know what to do right now with, with all of that, if that makes sense. >> of course it makes sense. jose, you and i talk a lot about the power of representation, because we're both people who believe in the power of representation. i also, though, think one we are running up against the way in which the representation of this community has been severely limited. you always remind me there is a state of immigration statuses within this community but also wonder more broadly if we're running up against a question of the limitation of representation period. >> well, this is where i think power dynamics come into play. there is a ceiling, even though asian-americans and asian-american women make it professionally, there's only a level where they can go. this is intersectionality. how do we put that in action? how do we speak up? i love the fact that alicia menendez is the one who got talking about anti-asian violence more than a month ago now. that is intersectionality. how do we speak up for people whose identity are not our own. we were texting the other day with friends about how incredible it is to see black people, latinx people going out there and saying stop asian hate. that speaking up for each other is going to be the key to creating the america that protects all of us. >> that multi-cultural dynamic, that's the same thing we watched play out in the spring with black lives matter protests. people kept highlighting that it was a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural group of protesters. you understand this issue, you understand no one is safe until all of us are safe. how do you begin to include that ethos. how do you make sure that the aapi communities are included when we talk about these issues of equity and equality. >> one is to echo olivia. they called us the night atlanta happened and asked what we could do. i think secondly, there is a whole new generation of asian-american pacific islanders who are more vocal than our elders were in that capacity. inserting ourselves, demanding to be heard and being smart about how we sustain through commerciality, investing in businesses and otherwise is how we're going to get this done. >> i had not considered this generational issue. ron johnson is taking the lead on the republican effort to rewrite history on the capitol attack. and the security fence is down, but the investigation continues. jill winebanks helps me sort out a new wave of indictments, and for steven breyer, is it now or never for retirement. fo. i'm joshua johnson, michigan's governor gretchen whitmer will join us. her state recently noted the single highest day of increases in weeks. what does she plan to do with michigan's portion of the american rescue plan. e american rescue plan ♪ hey now,', get your game on, go play ♪ ♪ hey now, you're a rock star, get the show on, get paid ♪ ♪ and all that glitters is gold ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. i don't like veggies... what?! ♪ whatever you have at home, knorr sides can turn nutritious veggies into mouthwatering meals. ♪ veggies taste amazing with knorr. veggies taste amazing starting today, nobody has to settle for less than the very best. because only verizon gives you 5g from america's most reliable network at no extra cost. and plans to mix and match, so you only pay for what you need. the plan is so reasonable, they can stay on for the rest of their lives. aww... and on top of that, nobody gives you more entertainment you love like disney+, hulu and espn+ on select unlimited plans. you even get one of our best 5g phones on us when you buy one. and it all starts at just $35. only from verizon. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes your stomach for fast relief and get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with pepto bismol chews. ♪people have ideas♪ ♪ideas are all around♪ ♪you watch them, bag them, ride them into town♪ ♪and yet for every big idea that rose to wild acclaim♪ ♪there are so many more, that never found their fame.♪ ♪and some might seem bizarre to you,♪ ♪and some are only for a few...♪ ♪but many are small businesses that simply lack the tool♪ ♪to find excited people who will stop and say 'that's cool'♪ ♪there's an idea for everyone♪ ♪and you'll love yours, she'll love hers too♪ ♪these two get served up coffee, 'cause they adore the brew♪ ♪if you're the type who needs to cruise,♪ ♪or likes your bags in vivid hues,♪ ♪behold, it's there.♪ ♪these bikers got some new headwear.♪ ♪small businesses and people - make connections so profound♪ ♪and all 'cause personalized ads help good ideas get found.♪ wisconsin senator ron johnson under fire tonight for comments he made about capitol hill insurrectionists. at an event back home saturday, the congressman spoke glowingly about the mob, quote, they're not armed insurrectionists. they're not rioters, they're not terrorists, okay? they love this country, they know what made it great. they love law enforcement. they support law enforcement. well, that comment comes as authorities are now starting to remove security fencing surrounding the capitol complex, after two and a half months of it looking like a fortified militarized complex. joining me now, former watergate prosecutor, jill winebank and author of "the watergate girl." good to see you. federal investigators released new video of ten people suspected of the most violent attacks on officers. they got so many tips they stopped counting. what charges will they likely face? >> i hope they will face the maximum charges, not just illegal entry, but they could be charged with the same charges that the "chicago seven" conspiracy trial people were charged with, which is crossing state lines to incite a riot, because that's what they did. they also asking charged with attacking law enforcement. and, for ron johnson to say they love law enforcement, they love this country is absurd when you watch these videos, and you see that they attacked law enforcement. they beat them. they squeezed one between the door until he could barely breathe. these are not people who love our country, who love democracy. they wanted to stop democracy. they wanted to stop the senate from fulfilling its constitutional responsibilities. >> could not say it any better myself. jill, there is a rapidly-growing roster of defendants, 300 so far. that number of course is expected to grow. u.s. attorneys are seeking delay. where do you think this goes from here? >> i think they will keep on looking. the videos are providing a lot of ways to track people down. and, as you noted, they're getting more responses than they ever could have possibly handled. so they will keep on looking until they find all of the people who are guilty. but i think the next step has to be all of the people who organized this. not just the people who broke in. the people who riled them up. the people who incited them to this action. the people who lied about their being fraud in the election. the people who filed fake lawsuits should be held accountable for that as well as for the riot that resulted. so there's a lot of criminal conduct still to be investigated. the district of columbia is looking into the conduct. and then of course there's also the conduct involving trying to change the election outcome through lawsuits and through phone calls. and so there's a lot of criminal cases pending that revolve around january 6th insurrection. >> i know roger stone's number came up around the oath keepers. one texted about acting as stone's security guard before the riot. another was photographed next to stone at a book signing. what have we learned about these filings about stone's connection to the capitol rioters? >> it's looking more and more like he was an active participant and could be held accountable, but the evidence is still not clear enough to me that i would feel comfortable saying he will be indicted for his role and having bad people as your bodyguards is not illegal. but, since they were very much involved in the insurrection it does suggest that possibly he also was. and he deserves to be investigated for that, along with the oath keepers and all the other people who have sponsored this terrible activity. and that includes, of course, the former occupant of the white house, who invited people to come to do exactly what they ended up doing. that's what they were there for. >> so, jill, while we were talking, i believe the top prosecutor in this case said that one of the likely charges they are looking at is sedition. i wonder if that surprises you, what you make of that. >> no, as i said, there are a number of laws that have been violated that can be used. some are used more often than others. all of the people can be charged with conspiracy. that does not require that you know each other when you act in concert. it just means that you conducted an overt act in furtherance of an agreement to do something. clearly there was an agreement to stop congress from being able to finish the certification of the election results. that is an on strix of our democracy and can be considered insurrection or sedition. so there are definitely possibilities, and, as i said, also travel across state lines for this purpose is illegal as a federal offense. and then there are all kinds of offenses within the district of columbia, for just violating laws of trespass and property damage. and it was federal property that was damaged. >> thank you so much. the minimum wage debate has a lot of lawmakers using the f-word, you know, filibuster. that's next. , you know, filibusr that's next. this is how you become the best! 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like i came out of it learning even more. i highly recommend -- let's just zoom out. >> i think this debate has become a far larger one that i think people would have expected five, den years ago. the minimum wage hasn't changed since 2009, but you're seeing support to raise it to $15. i should say the federal minimum wage saturday 7.25. that's not enough to pay for virtually anything, including a one bedroom apartment in 95% of u.s. counties or a two bedroom apartment anywhere in the united states. so many states are a minimum wage that's higher than the federal minimum. california has a higher minimum wage, d.c. does as well where i live. a number of southern states, including arkansas have raised their minimum wage. so this is an issue starting to get some cross currents across the political aisle. however, it has not gained the credence that we -- i think a lot of progressives wanted to see, especially over the arguments over covid relief. especially because i think there are some people who argue that raising the minimum wage is not the right way to challenge poverty and is perhaps too expensive. but that's something we wanted to do in our podcast is illustrate there are a lot of different ways to talk about the minimum wage that minimum wage at $15 is different than $12. it's far more complex than #thefightfor15. >> joe biden still trying to get republican support. here's what jen psaki said. >> he talked earlier this week whether it should be harder and not easier to block legislation, return to the talking filibuster, which is an idea put out there. it shouldn't be so easy to do it. his preference is not to make changes because he wants democrats and republicans to work together and find a way forward. >> so two questions for you. what are biden's paths to passing a higher federal minimum wage, as and someone who i know hawks this question of whether or not there's going to be movement on the filibuster, what do you think we'll see this coming week. >> he has two options. the first is to get -- to cut a deal where democrats can live with the outcome and also get ten republican senators on board. that gets it over the 60-vote hurdle. the other half is abolish or weaken the filibuster and try to push through minimum wage hike with 50 members that gets you away from that entractable 60 vote hurdle. the fight for 15 is unlikely to succeed. because there aren't 50 votes for a $15 wage. so that's the kind of negotiation that the white house would be looking at. of course, they can do more on policy with 50 votes because republicans are making demands such as stricter immigration enforcement, things the white house doesn't want to give up in the context of this debate and republicans only want to go as high as $10. so progressives have a real fight on their hands in terms of how much to compromise and where to give. >> jade, to your point about crosswinds, gop senator josh holly rarely aligns with progressives but introduced a bill to increase minimum wage for companies making over $1 billion. let's take a listen. >> giving big corporations, saying yeah, you have to pay $15, small businesses get exempted, can pay lower. that helps them stay in business, helps them be able to make a go of it. >> so put that video in context for us. how are conservatives framing the conversation around fair pay? >> it's important to note that what senator holly is attempting to go after are social media companies. it's why marco rubio voted for support of -- he's not thinking about the greatness of the american union, just amazon.com. it's important to note the federal minimum wage doesn't apply to businesses that make over $500,000. so there are small businesses that are already exempt of having to pay what the current federal minimum wage is. this is an effort, the same thing as efforts to pass laws in states that could weaken 230 of the communications decency act. these efforts to go after these large companies. but it's also worth noting a lot of large companies have already raised their minimum wage, walmart, amazon, because of internal and external pressure. so what senator holly is attempting to do is prove his -- he's attempting to do the trump without trump messaging on this particular aspect. but i also think this is a not too subtle way to go after social media, big tech companies. >> you said you feel like progressives have a hard fight ahead of them when it comes to this, no matter how it plays out. i feel you were able to step back and give me the most likely scenario. is this something that rolls over the next year or ends up being a gradual rollout? where do you think this is? >> i think it's fair to say that the activists have public opinion on their side. they have a lot of power behind this movement. and joe biden is on board the $15 minimum wage. he made that promise. he disappointed a lot of progressives in his covid relief bill when it was stripped out. so he's very motivated to deliver. every democrat in the house and the senate wants a higher minimum wage. so the question is how they do it. i think there's going to have to be a series of hurdles that have to be crossed here, including a bill on the senate floor, getting filibuster, and then the most likely scenario, if they don't see a path around the filibuster, is to change the way it works, is to weaken that hurdle, force people to talk on the senate floor, bring in a barrier that the majority can outlast the public minority and push something through. >> thank you both so much. we'll be right back. >> thank you both so much. we'll be right back. it's not "acceptable or nothing." and it's definitely not "close enough or nothing." mercedes-benz suvs were engineered with only one mission in mind. to be the best. in the category, in the industry... in the world. visit your local mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional lease and financing offers. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. ♪ ♪ (driver) i don't know what happened. 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