lasted 25 hours and 20 minutes, the senate narrowly passed president biden's $1.9 trillion covid relief package. not a single republican voted for the legislation. now the bill goes back to the house for one final vote and will likely be on the president's desk before march 14th. when unemployment benefits lapse. the landmark legislation provides relief for working americans in the form of $1400 stimulus checks. $300 per week federal unemployment benefits through the summer. and $14 billion for vaccine distribution among other things. it's the first major victory for the administration and doesn't come a moment too soon as the world marks the one-year anniversary of the official declaration of the pandemic and more than $525,000 americans have succumbed to the virus. >> this bill would not only make it easy to cheat. it would effectively make it legal to cheat. t. would destroy the integrity of our elections in this country forever. it will institutionalize and pretty much guarantee fraud in future elections. >> they should really rename this bill to the boston bomber bill. >> joining me now is white house press secretary jen psaki. jen, welcome to "the sunday show." >> great to be here. it's a pleasure to be here with you, jonathan. >> as we saw in the montage of criticisms of the upcoming biden agend alet's talk about the agenda. i want to start with what was stripped out of the covid relief package by the senate and that was the minimum wage. does the president stick by $15 an hour minimum wage? or is he willing to compromise on that in the same way he did for those -- from $400 a week for the unemployment benefit to $300 a week? >> well, first jonathan, as you started the show talking about, the president is on the verge, on track to sign into law the most progressive bill in american history. that's going to cut in half child poverty this year. that's going to make the biggest investment in child care since world war ii. that's going to get those checks you talked about into the hands of 160 million americans. yes, there were changes. that's democracy in action. he didn't cut the bill in half. he kept true to his $1.9 trillion package and we're looking forward to signing it into law. i will say for the agenda moving forward, the president knows that there are critics. there are those who disagree with him. but what he's confident in is that his ideas and his vision for moving the country forward is something the american people agree with. we saw that in the polls as it relates to the american rescue plan. >> right. so back to $15 an hour. will the president stick by -- >> i'm sorry. i meant to answer that. yes, absolutely, jonathan. sorry. i had so much to say. the president believes that people who have been working hard, people who have been working hard, trying to just make ends meet should not be living at the poverty level. and he believes the minimum wage should be raised to $15 an hour. there's been lots of reports out there, but i can assure you and your viewers there's no negotiations happening right now about lowering that threshold that the president is involved in, that anyone in the administration is involved in. he's committed to raising it to $15 and he's going to work with members of congress to find the right path forward and find the right vehicle to do that. >> also on the white house's agenda, in addition to raising the minimum wage, there's infrastructure. can you give us a clue in terms of the timeline on when the president is going to focus on infrastructure? is that next week? >> i don't think it's next week, jonathan. i will say, as you know, you've been covering him or following him for a while. rebuilding our streets, roads, bridges, that's something he's long been committed to and wanted to do. and he's had a couple of meetings in the oval office with members of both parties to talk about ideas about how to do that. that's -- there's been a long history of bipartisan support for infrastructure investment. and so he's hopeful we'll see that moving forward. but we're going to get the rescue plan passed. we're going to take time to talk about it to the american people. once it's passed and once he signs it into law, explain what the checks do, how we're going to reopen schools. how we're going to get more shots in the arms of americans. and then we'll talk about his -- he'll talk about his build back better agenda and what's included in there after that. >> okay. i need to get your reaction to senator from west virginia joe manchin, what he had to say. i believe this clip is from his interview on our "meet the press." what he had to say. i think this is about reconciliation. have a listen. >> they're going to want to go to reconciliation. i think what's happening, they want to go to reconciliation on big infrastructure. i'm not going to go to reconciliation until you give me at least 30 days to work with my republicans. i won't vote to go and proceed until i say, okay, they've got a fair shot. they can't get there because their politics are so encumbered. let's give them a chance. i know they want to do things. >> all right, jen. there you have senator joe manchin laying out his demands for whether or not the senate should go for reconciliation. you might need to go that route to get infrastructure done, to get the minimum wage raised, the voting rights, hr-1, the for the people act passed out of the senate. your reaction to senator manchin? >> well, what i heard from him is an openness to not taking tools off the table. and that's certainly positive. the president's preference is that we work in a bipartisan way and that we find a path forward with democrats and republicans. but what people should have seen through the american rescue plan is he's also not going to be held hostage to months of negotiations when he wants to get relief to the american people. so we'll see. infrastructure as we were talking about, there is a long history of bipartisan support for infrastructure investment. there's actually also a long history of bipartisan support for immigration and reforming the immigration system. let's see what we can do and let's see what the path forward can be. but the president is not going to take options off the table. i just heard senator manchin isn't going to take options off the table and we'll defer to leaders about the mechanics of moving things forward. >> i take it from your answer that removal of the filibuster is an option that has not been removed from the table by the president. >> well, his preference is not to make changes to the filibuster rules. he was in the senate for 36 years and he believes that there can be a path forward for democrats and republicans. and you don't get to the point you're at, that the president is at, without being optimistic about the possibility of that. so that's not his preference. he's going to -- he has an open door and he believs as do we all that there are questions republicans have to answer as people start getting their checks, schools start investing and using this money from the american rescue plan to reopen schools, as people are seeing this money go out the door as to why they didn't support that. but his door is open to working with democrats and republicans. and, you know, his preference is not to make changes to the filibuster rule. >> i have to squeeze in one more question. this involves governor abbott of texas. he is refused fema funding that would help go towards testing immigrants at the border. we know that president biden said that, you know, his ending the mask mandate and reopening the state was quote/unquote neanderthal thinking. what is the president's reaction to what governor abbott is doing in that regard? >> well, look, jonathan, the governor has complained about testing at the border. he's shared details that are not fact-based. but to be crystal clear, fema, dhs, has worked with local authorities, local ngos to come up with a plan that would cover 100% of testing costs for migrants who cross the border. and he has declined that funding. that is something that doesn't help the people of texas, and we're certainly hopeful he'll reconsider. >> all right. jen psaki, white house press secretary, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you, jonathan. joining me now, senator from hawaii, mazie hirono. senator hirono, aloha. >> aloha. >> you heard by discussion with jen psaki about $15 minimum wage stripped out of the senate covid relief package. psaki pretty adamant the president's not going to budge from $15 minimum wage. do you believe that? >> i believe it because i am on this page. there are a lot of democrats who support increasing the minimum wage in our country which we haven't done in over ten years. it's about time. if the minimum wage had kept up with inflation, cost of living increases, it would be at least $20 an hour. clearly the minimum wage affects some groups more than others. women in particular. so as far as i'm concerned, we need to raise the minimum wage. >> and what do you make of the clip that we played of senator manchin talking about the plans he has for whether or not he'll support reconciliation. does your fellow democratic colleague, the senator from west virginia, does he have too much power in all of this? >> when you have 50 votes, it's really important that we communicate very clearly with each other. at the end of the day, joe manchin voted for the rescue bill. and so we're going to need to continue to work with each other. now what should be very clear, crystal clear is the importance of getting things done for the american people and not be obstructionist. when mitch mcconnell goes on the floor and talks about how this covid bill didn't get bipartisan support, the last covid bill that we did took like six months because mitch mcconnell didn't want to do it. and so we are very clear and wanting to accomplish things that would actually help the american people and the rescue bill is a clear example. >> senator hirono, how do you convince -- because one of the ways to get the president's agenda passed is to do away with the filibuster rule which would make it possible for things to get passed by a simple majority. how will you convince president biden to go along with that tactic? >> when mitch mcconnell gets his way and decides to be an obstructionist, every major bill that president biden wants, i think there will be a growing reality and recognition that we're going to need to do filibuster reform. and i am open to it because if we're going to continue to require 60 votes, you can bet that mitch mcconnell is going to do everything he can to obstruct every major bill that joe biden wants to get done. mitch mcconnell's goal is to retake the senate. that is has goal. that's where he's going. we democrats should be very clear-eyed about what we need to do. so filibuster reform, yes. that will come. that's what i believe. >> senator mazie hirono of hawaii, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." aloha. >> aloha. everyone stay safe, be kind. joining me is house majority whip, congressman jim clyburn. also chairman of the house select committee on the covid crisis. >> thanks for having me back. >> now that the covid relief package has passed the senate, it's coming back to the house. there's no danger that the bill won't pass the house once again and be on the president's desk by the end of next week, is there? >> i don't think so. i think that the votes are there to pass what the senate has done. it doesn't mean that we're in complete agreement with everything they've done. certainly we wanted the $15 an hour raise in the minimum wage. we didn't get it. we're going to keep working for it. hopefully we can find a pathway forward in the not too distant future. but i have always believed that the journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step. we've got a 1,000-mile journey ahead of us to get this economy back, to get people back in to work. students back in school. this is one step. and we have time to take other steps in the coming days. so we'll do this. get it done so people cannot lose their unemployment compensation and also start getting vaccinations out in rural communities. we've got, what, $14 billion in this bill for vaccinations. we need to get that spent. >> clyburn, do you think that will help erase the racial inequities that we're now seeing in terms of who is getting the vaccine? >> yes, it will help. and i hope that the select subcommittee that i'm chairing will help as well. because we have, as our mantra, three es. will this expenditure be made efficiently? will it be made effectively? and will it be made equitably? and so equitably is going to be my guiding principle when it comes to these vaccines. we now have three. there's going to be four. maybe even five. but the thing is, how do we get them out to where they need to be. how do we get mobile units out in rural communities so that people can get the vaccinations? a lot of people go to school out in rural areas and if we do not get the vaccines out to them, their schooling will be left behind. we've got to get it done. >> and one more question for you. this time on minimum wage. you just said a moment ago that a thousand miles begins with one step. one if one of those steps in order to raise the minimum wage is to not agree to $15 an hour minimum wage but to something that's say $12 or $11? is that worth it to get a minimum wage increase on the books? >> if that's incremental, $11, $12 on the way to $15, yes. if you look at the minimum wage bill, $15 minimum wage, we didn't go to $15 the next day. we did it over a period of time. so, yes, $11, $12, $13, $14 and then $15, but $12 or $11 should not be the ceiling. let me tell you something else, jonathan. i would hope that we will find a way around this filibuster when it comes to things like a minimum wage. things like voting. we get around the filibuster on the budget. that's what reconciliation is. i think we need to find reconciliation to get beyond the filibuster for things like people's equity and voting rights as well. >> and on that point, congressman clyburn, you'll be back in the next block. we'll be talking about voting rights. we're going to be discussing the bold new steps to protect voting rights 56 years after bloody sunday. we'll be right back after this. for members like kate. a former army medic, made of the flexibility to handle whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry. she simply filed a claim on her usaa app and said... i got this. usaa insurance is made the way kate needs it - easy. she can even pick her payment plan so it's easy on her budget and her life. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa. you love your pet...but hate wearing their hair. did you know that your clothes can actually attract pet hair? 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>> because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to democrats. politics is a zero-sum game. >> jenae, your reaction to that, and what do you think that means could come from the supreme court? >> well, listen, first of all, good morning, jonathan and congressman. that excerpt from the oral argument in the case which is a challenge involving two different laws in arizona is quite concerning, although it is not surprising at all. there you had a lawyer for the republican national committee, michael carvin, admit out loud that the concern he has about assistance in allowing people to -- and particularly native american communities that live in rural communities and don't have access to postal services and having assistance to allow them to cast a ballot, third party assistance, allowing people who mistakenly arrive at a precinct to, nonetheless, cast their ballot in elections where the precinct doesn't matter. those are threats to the republican party apparently. such that they would like to not only make sure that those laws are not allowed to move forward, but also to do vicious harm to section two of the voting rights act. the congressman already mentioned that section five has been disabled because of a supreme court decision. and now we have a threat to what remains of the voting rights act, the most critical provision that remains, and that is section two. what that attorney said is something the republican party has been saying for quite some time out loud. last year trump said that if we made it easier for voters, republicans would never win. listen, the legal defense fund is a nonpartisan organization. our mission is to eliminate barriers to the ballot box for black voters, but also for the benefit of everyone. we do not fear the democratic will of the people. but how -- we see that so many others do, and that's really what the battle is here. it's a question about whether we are willing to hear the voices of all americans, and i should note that with respect to the bill that congressman clyburn was talking about before the break, hr-1, the for the people act it has bipartisan support among voters. you have two-thirds of voters, 68% of voters who support the for the people act, including 57% of republican voters. so it is the elected officials. it is the political operatives who are most concerned about closing the door to the ballot box for voters. >> whip clyburn, a little bit of time we have left, today, president biden is going to be signing an executive order that is going to direct federal agencies to make access to voting -- to voter registration, voter information easier. your reaction to that and is there more you think president biden could do on his own to sort of blunt the impact of what's happening in the states? >> well, i'm very pleased that the president is celebrating the bloody sunday in this way. that's a great executive order to issue. i think congress needs to act. i think that we need to have a warnock/booker rule. it allows for reconciliation for moving of the bill beyond the so-called filibuster. we ought to have a warnock/booker bill rule that would allow us to get around -- get reconciliation for voting rights. i can't think of a better way to ensure voting rights, especially in the country where there's a history of denying voter rights in certain communities. so that's a way to work around this. and i would hope that the president would support something like that. if he doesn't want to get rid of the filibuster, let's have the filibuster dealing with ideas. but not dealing with rights and responsibilities under the constitution. we should not have these kinds of filibustering applied to constitutional rights. that's what was used to deny us voting rights in the first place. and civil rights. you may remember, strom thurmond established the record for filibustering against the 1957 civil rights act. it was not about anything else but people's civil rights. and that's what's been used to deny voting rights, and we ought to step up to the plate and have a booker/warnock rule reconciliation for voting rights and civil rights. >> your title as house majority whip, but i'm just going to call you reverend. congressman jim clyburn of south carolina, thanks for coming to "the sunday show." janai wilson, thank you as well. instant reaction to the first half of the show, next. still fresh unstopables in-wash scent booster downy unstopables i'm still going for what's next. even with higher stroke risk due to... afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin,... i want that. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily... or take longer for bleeding to stop. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, or unusual bruising. it may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. the number one cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner. ask your doctor about eliquis. never run dry of... killer attitude. or hydration. neutrogena® hydro boost. the #1 hyaluronic acid moisturizer delivers 2x the hydration for supple, bouncy skin. neutrogena®. losing a tooth didn't stop you but your partial can act like a bacteria magnet, putting natural teeth at risk. new polident propartial helps purify your partial and strengthens and protects natural teeth. so, are you gonna lose another tooth? not on my watch! welcome back to "the sunday show." joining me is connie schultz from kent state university's school of journalism. and midwin charles, civil trial and criminal defense attorney. all right. both of you saw the first half of the show. what are your thoughts? midwin, you go first? >> oh, i think my thoughts were really great. we are right now, i think, in some historic times. i think when you think about representative clyburn saying a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, it's not lost on me that today is sunday, bloody sunday. also just this past week we had the thirty anniversary of everybody watching the video of rodney king being beaten by lapd. i think that congress did a very good job last week in voting for the george floyd justice in policing act, as well as hr-1. it just goes to show us that while we've come a long way in this country with respect to trying to achieve equality for all and civil rights and voting rights, that we still have a long way to go because we still have congress making sure we still need this legislation. now jen psaki, the press secretary for the white house, who i love. i think she always does an incredible job when she answers questions. i think was really important to kind of talk about how the president is still committed with making sure that the $15 -- the minimum wage is raised to $15 an hour. and he's committed. he's not letting it go. and i think americans need to hear that. while it did not survive and get into this particular bill that was passed by the senate, it's still on the table and it's still something that he wants to push forward. so i enjoyed the first half of the show. >> thanks, midwin. how about you, connie? your thoughts? >> i am kind of worked up. but mostly because of listening to that republican lawyer arguing before the supreme court. if the republicans are so worried about being at a disadvantage to democrats, they can do a number of things. they can support voting rights and not try to be doing everything they can to support the oppression of voters. they can support reproductive rights. they can support this bill that would cut the poverty rate in half and really importantly, they can finally acknowledge, they can take responsibility for supporting donald trump whose disregard for american lives cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of americans and has left us a nation in grief. >> midwin, to connie's point, republican efforts to suppress the vote, to my mind, is like them beating the hornet's nest that is black voters. you tell black voters that they either can't vote or you've purged them from the rolls, and black voters have shown, since 2016, all those special elections after trump won election in 2016, right through the 2018 midterms, right through 2020, you tell black voters they can't vote, they say, uh-huh, i'll show you. >> exactly. well, also, jonathan, it's an acknowledgment that the republican party no longer wants to try to win people over with ideas, with policy. instead they've decided what they're going to do is not allow people who do not vote for them to vote. and we've seen this over n over again. and frankly this is not new. since the shelby decision which janai wilson, my former mentor at my former firm mentioned with the shelby decision which struck section 5 from the voting rights act. we have seen a flurry, a bevy of voter suppression laws. since 2013 and actually quite before that. so the idea that republicans think that they can tell black people that they are not going to vote or that it's going -- they're going to make it more difficult to vote. all that does is incentivize and encourage more black people to come out. if they have to wait on line for hours, they'll do it. if they have to bring snacks, they will do it. if they have to bring water, they will do it. and they will assist in getting people unable to access the polls such as elderly or the infirm, and they will get it done. >> connie, in the minute that we have left, when it comes to the minimum wage, you're there in ohio. president biden as we heard jen psaki say he's 100% behind $15 minimum wage. congressman clyburn is right there, $15 minimum wage in ohio. and republicans are saying, oh, no, that's too expensive. it will hurt the economy. in ohio, with its republican governor, would a $15 minimum wage increase, would that be popular in a red state like ohio? >> there's not a place in america where increasing the minimum wage wouldn't be popular with the people who need it, which is the majority of americans. and i wanted to say one more thing about voting if i could, jonathan. >> sure, of course. >> as a white person, i'm going to say this to all the white americans out there. we're either allies all the time or we're not allies. this is our fight for voting rights as well. when we see black -- our fellow black americans being targeted, we need to not think of them as the black community. we need to think of them as our community and they're targeting our brothers and sisters in that community. and i hope when we're talking about voting rights throughout the country we see a lot of white americans willing to stand tall and to help in this fight to preserve their rights and to expand the rights where they need it to be. >> jonathan -- >> go ahead, connie schultz. i'm sorry, midwin. we're out of time. but connie schultz and midwin charles will be back in our next hour. thank you both very much for being here. coming up -- securing the capitol. senator alex padilla of california is here to discuss. o. try boost glucose control. the patented blend is clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. boost glucose control products contain high quality protein and key nutrients to support immune health. try boost. darrell's family uses gain flings now so their laundry smells more amazing than ever. isn't that the dog's towel? 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>> so glad you referenced the hearings because let's remind ourselves, the purpose of the hearings is twofold. yes, let's better security the capitol area while maintaining the balance of accessibility. we're all proud the capitol represents the democracy this foundation was founded on. trying to make it more perfect each and every day. we need to secure tthe members staff but anyone who chooses to visit the capitol. the way to do it is to get to the root of what happened that led up to january 6th and hold people accountable. the very fact that the insurrectionists breached the capitol and trump was acquitted by the senate. i voted to convict but he was acquitted. it sends the opposite message we should be sending for people who want to attempt those types of events or events like that going forward. >> you know, congressman swalwell, eric swalwell, also from california, is suing president trump, and i also believe rudy giuliani, donald trump jr., congressman mo brooks over the january 6th riot. this as a second, another lawsuit coming on top of the one from benny thompson that's being pushed for him by the naacp. are those actions -- not that they are enough, but should there be more suits against folks who might have been involved in the january 6th insurrection in case nothing happens with either these hearings or any of the justice department investigations? >> so there's a whole lot there. yes, these should go forward. we welcome more. and not just from democrats, by the way. if mitch mcconnell was a man of his word, he'd follow up his speech after trump's acquittal in the senate with some action behind holding trump accountable, and not just trump, a whole lot of enablers of trump on january 6th and the four-plus years leading up to january 6th. so there's obviously that piece. the investigations need to continue. more people involved in the deadly january 6th insurrection need to be held to account. there's no other way to put it. and let me also say -- >> real quick. >> i got to get this in, jonathan. it doesn't help when trump and so many others of his enablers keep echoing the big lie. we heard it throughout the course of this last week. we heard it last weekend at cpac over and over again. it's propagating the big lie that led to the deadly insurrection on january 6th and continues to pose a clear and present danger. >> senator, we've got 30 seconds left, but i am asking every elected official who has come on the show about the minimum wage. are you satisfied or are you confident that president biden will stick with his commitment to push for a $15 minimum wage increase? 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>> that's just one part. that's nowhere near the tip of the iceberg for what we're actually stand out here for. this goes way back. >> for someone who looks like me, it doesn't work for everybody. >> welcome back to "the sunday show." i'm jonathan capehart. jury selection is set to begin tomorrow in the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin, who is charged with murder in the death of george floyd last may. chauvin is facing charges of second-degree murder and second degree manslaughter for kneeling on floyd's neck for more than eight minutes as he repeatedly cried "i can't breathe." there's still some uncertainty surrounding the trial with the minneapolis -- i'm sorry, with the minnesota court of appeals ruling on friday that the trial court must reconsider the prosecutor's request to add a third-degree murder charge against chauvin, a ruling that could delay the proceedings. meanwhile, the national outcry over floyd's death is slowly materializing into real change. on wednesday the house passed the george floyd justice and policing act, an expansive police reform bill which would ban chokeholds and no-knock warrants, qualified immunity for police officer. joining me now the lead author of that bill, congresswoman karen bass of california. congresswoman, thank you for being on "the sunday show." you wrote an op-ed in "usa today" where you wrote, the house passed the police reform bill two years to the day of rodney king's brutal beating. and when the police officers in the case were acquitted, i felt hopeless and defeated. that's how we will continue to feel until we act. >> absolutely. i mean, after rodney king, i thought for sure the world would see what black communities, brown communities had been talking about for generations. and when that verdict came down absolutely it was like, well, that wasn't enough? and since then, i mean, we have seen hundreds of videos of people either being brutalized or killed. and so i think that george floyd's murder was so egregious the hundreds of thousands of people out in every state in the country certainly provided the momentum for us to pass the bill last year. >> and so the provisions in the bill i talked about in the intro, federal ban of chokeholds. we get that. prohibiting no-knock warrants. that's what killed breonna taylor. outlaws racial profiling. here's the one thing i want to ask you about, and that is overhauling qualified immunity for officers. what is it, and why is it important to overhaul it, if not just get rid of it completely? >> sure. and it's actually two provisions. it's qualified immunity, and it's also lowering the standard from which you can prosecute an officer. qualified immunity essentially allows an individual to sue the officer. and right now the officer has immunity from that. if you remember when derek chauvin had his knee on george floyd's neck, he had his hand in his pocket. he was looking at the camera because i guess he felt he could kill him on camera with complete impunity. and so to get rid of that having the officer being liable is something that is important to hold officers accountable. because right now there's really no way to hold them accountable, which is why we keep seeing the same thing over and over and over again. >> congresswoman, what do you say to republicans who push back on your push to get rid of or overhaul qualified immunity and say that, one, that that is anti-cop and, two, that that is just going to make it open season on police officers to, quote, unquote, frivolous lawsuits? >> well, i mean, i think it's similar to any other profession. if you behave recklessly, if you cause harm, then why would it be surprised that you would be held civically liable? and in terms of reducing the way you prosecute an officer, right now time after time officers are arrested, and then charges are dropped or charges are not filed. this just happened in rochester, new york. the officers that put the spit hood over the man and he died, and charges were not filed. and so we have to do something to hold officers accountable. so the two provisions in the bill that do that is qualified immunity and reducing the standard from which to prosecute from willful to reckless. so rather than trying to determine whether the officer was really thinking that that day he was going to kill george floyd, then he was reckless when he did it. and with qualified immunity, in order to sue, you have to essentially prove that there is another case with the exact same circumstances. so with george floyd, you have to find another case with an officer that did the exact same thing that would allow you to bring about a suit. that's a ridiculous standard, and it needs to change. and, by the way, there are plenty of republicans who actually believe qualified immunity should be eliminated all together. the koch brothers, the kato institute. >> and, congresswoman bass, last question on this. great, there are republicans who support overhauling getting rid of qualified immunity. are any of them in the senate? what are your hopes for passage of your bill, the george floyd justice and policing act in the senate? can it get through the senate? what can you tell republicans to get them to vote for it? >> well, so first of all, any time a bill passes the house and goes to the senate, you know it's not a surprise if changes are made. and i do believe that there is the sentiment there. i do believe that we're going to be able to do this. senator tim scott has been working with us. and i believe that we will get a bill on president biden's desk. >> all right. congresswoman karen bass of california, thank you for coming on the show. >> thank you. joining me now to discuss co-founder and ceo of the center for policing equity, former federal prosecutor msnbc legal analyst and host of the "justice matters" podcast. and back with me midwin charles. the prospects of the george floyd justice in policing act actually passing out of the senate. and why is it important that it does? phillip, you go first. >> yeah. so, if it can get to the floor and can get a full vote, it would be a landmark legislation in terms of reforming policing. there's a lot in there. you have the list in there. there are also things in there that are not getting as much attention that i hope we pay attention to afterwards, like forbidding people who are arresting someone having sex with that person, which is still legal in some places. so that's a good first step. but it's also necessary to get that there so that everything else that the people you were showing in minneapolis are asking for post the chauvin trial. all of the resources to make sure that folks don't have to call 9-1-1 in the first place. that's what comes next. and to get there for a lot of folks we need to get this bill done and on the books. >> and, glenn, as you talk about your view of the george floyd justice and policing act, i would love your thoughts on ending qualified immunity. >> yeah. jonathan, for too long, i think officers who are determined to violate the rules, who are determined to violate the civil rights of the citizens they're supposed to be protecting and serving have gotten away with far too much. it's almost tripe that we say that. we say it over and over and over again. and i think the act hopefully will pass, and i think it's a great first step. i hope there's a second step and i hope there's a third step. because part of my concern, jonathan, is you can ban excessive force. so, for example, you can ban chokeholds. and that's an excellent first step. however, if there are police officers who have hate or prejudice in their heart and they bring that with them out onto the street when they're policing, then do we really think they're going to obey a new prohibition against a chokehold that is designed to protect the citizens? i'm not so sure. so i'm hoping there are second steps and third steps that will involve extreme vetting and order us out of our cars and onto the ground. then we and the citizens you will police want to extremely vet you to make sure that when we ban chokeholds, you will obey that ban. >> midwin, as the derek chauvin trial gets underway tomorrow, and we should be clear, the trial meaning jury selection starts tomorrow. how likely is it that he's going to get a fair trial, considering it is being held there in minneapolis, all the notoriety. should anyone be concerned about the prospects of a fair trial for him? >> well, i'm sure his defense team would be greatly concerned about whether or not he could get a fair trial, because this case and the video really just went around the world as we all know after george floyd was killed, it sparked protests throughout the country in every single state as well as internationally. but the process of voir dire is where they ask the potential jury pool questions whether they are suitable to serve on the jury. we all have our biases and we all come to the table with lived experiences that inform how it is that we decide certain cases and facts. but what the attorneys are supposed to do is ensure and ask the potential jurors whether or not they can set aside their biases and their prejudices and keep an open mind throughout the trial. can they listen to the evidence, can they listen to the witnesses and not form an opinion until the very end of the trial? so that's what we're going to be seeing in the next day or two when the trial opens up, you're going to see the attorneys ask those questions and try to form a jury that is one that could deliver a verdict that they want. if you're on the defense team, you want your client exonerated. and if you're on the prosecution, you want a conviction. now, i do want to point out that in the state of minnesota as well as in minneapolis in the same police department, the prosecutors were able to succeed and get a guilty conviction for police officer mohamed noor. and i have to point out that officer mohamed noor was black, and he was charged with killing a white woman. he was found guilty of third degree murder, and he has been sentenced to ten and a half years. her family was able to get a settlement on a wrongful death case for $20 million. we have not seen any black person killed by police get anywhere near that amount of a settlement. so, there is precedent, not a lot, but there is precedent for police officers being found guilty of this. but i want to point out that that precedent exists for a black police officer killing a white woman. you can't divorce those facts from this particular case. >> and, you know, to that point, midwin, even in minneapolis, though, there is skepticism, cynicism, but skepticism that there will be a guilty verdict. listen to what one of the people in minneapolis had to say on this point. >> if they're going to find them guilty, why are we putting barbed wire around buildings? they're doing that to keep us out. it does come out that he's innocent. >> there's no reason to put barbed wire or blocks of cinderblock around public property if you think the decision is going to be aligned for black people and for black people. >> and, you know, phillip, jury selection hasn't even begun. but people in minneapolis are viewing what's happening around that courthouse as a de facto decision that derek chauvin is going to walk from this. >> yeah. well, the conversation that we've been having that's going to happen in lots of broadcast media and print media is going to be about sort of the details of the trial as if we have erected a system that routinely delivers justice for black folks when somebody is unlawfully killed by the state. but that's just not the case. so what you're hearing from folks in the communities around minneapolis and black communities around the country and around the globe is a recognition that the systems that we got in place were not set up to deliver justice for us. so, yeah, it's important that we try and do this the right way. we try and do it within the systems that we've got. it's important that we reform the system that we got so that they can deliver justice. but let's not lie and imagine that, well, this is just a set of unfortunate accidents and all we've got to do is tinker with the system and then it'll work way it was always intended to. it's been working the way it's intended to for generations. and so the skepticism that you hear from black folks in minneapolis and across the globe is a recognition of that fact. and we shouldn't align over it just because we have some hope that there will be good people working in flawed systems to try to deliver something better than what we've gotten before. i looked at that settlement figure, $20 million, and i think of another family that was given 4.5, and they said we want more justice. that's a difficult thing to come back from and learn to trust the system in place. >> we've got less than 30 seconds, but your final thoughts. >> final thoughts, i'm looking for a few things. one, because we know the trial court judge dismissed the third-degree murder charge, and the appellate court overturned that. we're going to have to wrestle with that issue. that could actually result in a delay if one party or another seeks to appeal that, and then the final thought, jonathan, is here's a dark horse, is that in minnesota under the laws of minnesota, you as a defendant can waive your right to a jury trial. and i bet chauvin's attorney has been thinking long and hard about whether he would have a dispassionate judge who is less likely, in theory, to be swayed by the emotion of the case and the emotion of this case is considerable and go with a bench trial instead of a jury trial, i think that's something we'll maybe hear about in the coming days. >> in the coming days. your gut, what does your gut tell you, glenn? >> guilty. >> no, but will he go bench trial or jury trial? >> oh, sorry. i kind of jumped to the end result that i think is warranted by the evidence i see as a 30-year career prosecutor, homicide prosecutor, somebody who has prosecuted both cop killers and killer cops. if i were the defense, i would waive my right to a jury trial because i think the emotions will run high, and all of those emotions will be in favor of george floyd. >> and with that we're going to have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming on the show. midwin, you're coming back later. coming up, i have an amazing panel here to debunk the angry black woman stereotype. stay with us. forget what your smoking-hot moms and teachers say, just remember my motto. if you ain't first... you're last! woo-hoo! did you know prilosec otc can stop frequent heartburn before it begins? heartburn happens when stomach acid refluxes into the esophagus. prilosec otc uses a unique delayed-release formula that helps it pass through the tough stomach acid. it then works to turn down acid production, blocking heartburn at the source. with just one pill a day, you get 24-hour heartburn protection. prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. voiceover: riders. wanderers on the road of life. the journey is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination. yeah, but most of the time, her destination is freedom. nope, just the coffee shop. announcer: no matter why you ride, progressive has you covered with protection starting at $79 a year. voiceover: 'cause she's a biker... please don't follow me in. sure, your health insurance tells you to see a doctor but, um, look around. these days it's not that easy. you're telling me. but humana helps make it easy. human care gives you tons of ways to talk to your doctor: phone, computer, in person, or tablet. hey jean! hi! this is just a quick follow up. your numbers are looking great. you don't even have to put on shoes. ooo! easy peasy. you like that, huh? 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is it anger when black mothers organize the largest social movement in american historyng multifaceted black woman feels a dissatisfaction with constantly dismantling a system built to oppress her, why is it wrong, and why aren't you angry, too? joining me now is brittany cooper, assistant professor of womens and gender studies and african studies at rutgers university and author of "eloquent rage." and pennsylvania representative donna bullock. she recently wrote an op-ed in the erie times news, "i am an angry black woman, i'm okay with that, you should be too." thank you very much for being here, we don't have representative bullock just yet. but, brittany, i know you've had a chance to read representative bullock's op-ed in the "erie times" news. your reaction to that. >> absolutely. so, black women's righteous rage and anger often gets weaponized against us in our workspaces. it is a way to say that black woman are irrational, that we don't know what we are talking about, even as we are subject to microaggressions and undermine, undercut, even as we're not given the power or the respect that we deserve. and so when those things happen, a righteous and healthy response is to be angry at the injustice and the indignity of it all. but we live in a set of conditions in which our country often induces our rage and then gaslights us and tells us that we don't have the right to it. and when i read representative bullock's piece, it made me angry alongside her that this is the kind of thing that happens to black women. and what i love is that the representative has owned it and said i have a right to this anger, you're not going to take it away from me, you're not going to weaponize it against me, i am going to use it to build the things i want to build. and i call that eloquent rage. >> and with us, as you see on the screen, is representative bullock. representative bullock, thank you very much for being here. and i have to tell you, i ran across your op-ed by accident. i was looking at brian simms' twitter page. he's running for lieutenant governor in pennsylvania. &i saw that he re-tweeted your piece. why did you feel that it was important that you put those words down on the page and really reveal yourself? >> it was so necessary, one, personally for me to finally put these words down. i had been filling these emotions, i didn't know how to express them. i was going through a lot last year with george floyd and black lives matter rallies. and i'm sitting here and i was saying every week i go to the capitol and i'm trying to pass legislation that makes a difference for the lives of my constituents, the lives of my two black sons at home. it was challenging because i was being faced with what every black woman faces in white male-dominated spaces, being told to be quiet, being told that my voice could not be so animated or that i need to be careful about how i presented myself in my dress, in my manner of speech because i represented a whole community. and that representation would reflect on them. and so i was very moved last year after going to several rallies and finally saying the words out of my mouth that i was angry, i was angry about going to the capitol every week and not having the kind of results that my community, that my two black sons deserved. and it was healthy to get through that. >> representative bullock, it's not just, you know, results. it's even support for the work you're doing. and the way you open the piece is you're talking about this member of the legislature, someone you considered a mentor, white member of the legislature who when another black woman was speaking on behalf of a certain bill, leaned into you and said what? >> said, i like you because you're not like those black women. and this was my first year in office. and it was a warning. it was a message, do not speak up, do not be loud because we won't listen to you, we won't respect you. and for a few years following that, i did just that. i was quiet. i was respectable. i was making sure i took all the efforts to make them comfortable. and it didn't result in anything that i needed to get done for my constituents. the few times i did speak up, i had committee chairmen shut me down. i'm a lawyer by training, so i remember hearing where i questioned someone who was testifying before a committee very similar to former senator now vice president kamala harris, and i was cut off, cut off because i was too aggressive with the person that was before us. >> too aggressive. and aggressive in that situation i'm sure is very, very subjective. in the little bit of time we have left, brittany, and then representative bullock. when it comes to the, quote/unquote, angry black woman trope, what do you say to white people to disabuse them of this notion of you? >> so, let me say that i have also had that thing happen. i was a child at the time. but someone said, you know, you're not like the other black kids, right? it's a cookie that white people hold out to say we will give you entrants if you play nice. black people have a right to their rage. we should stop calling their assertiveness and advocacy aggression. advocating for their communities we think is dangerous. but one of the reasons that white people see it as a threat is because if black women get the things that we advocate for, it actually does shift the power structure. and i think black women have to do what representative bullock has so courageously done and give us the permission to own our rage and recognize that it is not like the white rage that we saw on january 6th. our rage is about making sure that people in our communities are taken care of. >> representative bullock, we are out of time. but i make this commitment to you. i'm having you back on the show. thank you very, very much. thank you for being here. thank you for the op-ed that you wrote. pennsylvania state representative donna bullock, brittany cooper, thank you both very much. tomorrow, tune into "washington post live" for my interview with hillary clinton for international women's day at 2:00 p.m. eastern. coming up, congresswoman teri sul is here to talk about the 56th anniversary of bloody sunday live from the edmond pettis bridge, next. pettis brid. ♪ ♪ a pair of jeans that fit just right ♪ ♪ and the radio up ♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's. when our daughter and her kids moved in with us... our bargain detergent couldn't keep up. turns out it's mostly water. so, we switched back to tide. one wash, stains are gone. daughter: slurping don't pay for water. pay for clean. it's got to be tide. 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>> well, i know that the biden/harris administration has made voting rights and advancing voting rights access to the ballot box, and restoring the full enforceability measures of the vra, that those are priorities that of this administration. john would come with a bipartisan congressional delegation. over the years so many republicans and democrats have come right here to my hometown of selma and walked across that bridge with john lewis. it's going to be incumbent upon us to appeal that the biggest way we can honor john is by taking up his cause and the cause of the foot soldiers who dare to march across this bridge for the right to vote. and it was a voting rights act that was of 1965 that was the ultimate prize from that march. and i think that it's going to be incumbent upon us to engage everyone, republican or democrat, to make sure that we pass hr 4. and i look forward to that effort. i look forward to introducing it. but i think we have to make that appeal. >> congresswoman, senator richard shelby of alabama announced he won't seek re-election. and one of the ways you could serve not only the community of selma and your congressional district is to serve the state and run statewide for the united states senate seat. are you thinking about running for the united states senate seat now occupied by senator shelby? >> well, listen, jonathan, it is an honor of a lifetime for me to have the opportunity to represent my home district. i am doing my homework. i think it's incumbent upon those of us who have walked the halls of congress who know what this is about to consider running. i can't very well ask other women to enter the race, let alone black women to be more engaged in politics and electoral politics if i'm not willing to think about it myself. i have to tell you, though, there's nothing more important to me than making sure that we provide an evidentiary hearing and we reintroduce hr 4 and that we pass it into law so that we can put preclearance and the enforceability arms back into the voting rights act. so that has to be my priority. you know, i interned for my member of congress back in college. now he's our united states senator. but i have to tell you that story because this is a full-circle moment for me to have the opportunity as a young girl college student to intern for richard shelby. i had to know in my heart that i could be a member of congress way before i decided to run. so i know it's important that little black girls see in kamala harris and me and others what they can be. you have to see it, touch it to know that you can achieve it and be it. >> and, with that, congresswoman terri sewell of alabama, who very well could be candidate for the united states senate, terri sewell. i didn't hear a no. that sounds like a potential yes. thank you very much for coming on "the sunday show." >> thank you so much. and happy 56th anniversary of bloody sunday. and coming up, we check in on the other sunday shows. that's next. s. that's next. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes your stomach for fast relief boost® high protein also has key nutrients and get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with pepto bismol chews. psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen, painful. tremfya® is approved to help reduce joint symptoms in adults with active psoriatic arthritis. some patients even felt less fatigued. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. tremfya®. emerge tremfyant™. janssen can help you explore cost support options. did you know that your clothes can actually attract pet hair? 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>> yeah. i think right there you're seeing the senator put forward a very common sense blueprint that could garner our bipartisan support in congress. the senator is right. if he says that there's not one republican who doesn't want to raise minimum wage, let's call their bluff. let's raise the minimum wage. i'm on the mindset that right now we need to do something because we've done nothing for far too long. far too many americans in this country are suffering. so make the republicans own time and again voting for or against minimum wage. let's call their bluff on that. if the senator thinks that their support for raising minimum wage, let's say $11 and index it with inflation, okay. let's put a bill out there right now. republicans have been in control of the senate for a very long time until recently. and i haven't seen them move the minimum wage bill at all. so i'm not sure whether or not he's right about republicans' good intentions here. >> connie, i'm going to come to you with another senator manchin sound bite. this one has to do with the filibuster. have a listen. >> the senate is the most unique body of government in the world. it's deliberate. it's basically designed to make sure the minority has input. that's exactly our founding fathers. if you want to make it a little bit more painful, make him stand there and talk, i'm willing to look at any way we can. but i am not willing to take away the involvement of the minority. i've been in the minority, i've been in the majority, and i can tell you the respect i have on both sides when i've been there should be, i've got something to say, listen it me, and i want that to happen. >> connie, your reaction to that? >> well, i grew up in a union democratic family. so i've always known that i don't always have a lot in common with the centrists because we were pretty progressive. but what i keep thinking about in this conversation and i'm sure in part is because we've been talking so much about john lewis whom was our friend, but in 2008 in the fall of 2008 when i was trying to write directly to white working-class people, the people i come from, i talked to john and said how do i win their hearts to get them to vote for a black man for president? and i will never forget how he responded. he said, connie, i don't need their hearts, i don't need their minds, i need them to make clea there is a possibility that they can, the least for the voting rights act, in that legislation suspend the filibuster. my understanding is it doesn't have to be a universal rule change. and i'm not going to rule out that we can't make -- convince some republicans to do the right thing here, too. that's the argument to be made. i don't think the emotional arguments are going to win this. >> and, midwin, your thoughts on the filibuster? and also your thoughts on whether senator manchin has too much power over president biden's agenda. >> you know, it's interesting. i listened to him talk about how the senate is the most deliberative body and it's just this wonderful place, and he doesn't want to rock the boat with respect to procedure. but the problem right now is that the senate is broken. when mitch mcconnell was the leader of the senate, it was a graveyard where all the bills that the house voted on went to die. so, while i understand his desire to sort of hold onto procedure, i just don't know how that mirrors with the american public. like, if you're talking about the $15 minimum wage, it two-thirds of americans support that. 63% of west virginians support that. and so the filibuster is a huge problem right now. and, frankly, is always used to block civil rights legislation. that's one of the reasons why it was first introduced. so, i understand he wants to be in love with the procedure, but i think it's important for him to remember the substance and the content right now facing the country and move in that direction. >> and we're going to have to leave it there. time crunch on the clock. thank you all. up next, the byline. for skin that never holds you back don't settle for silver #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief* and #1 for eczema symptom relief* gold bond champion your skin our son says, since tide antibacterial fabric spray kills 99.9% of bacteria, he wants us to spray everything every time we walk into the door. it's just to be sure. just to be sure! tide antibacterial fabric spray. it all starts with an invitation... ...to experience lexus. the invitation to lexus sales event. get 0% apr financing on the 2021 is 300. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. if you wanna be a winner then get a turkey footlong from subway®. that's oven roasted turkey. piled high with crisp veggies. on freshly baked bread! so, let's get out there and get those footlongs. now at subway®, buy one footlong in the app, and get one 50% off. subway®. eat fresh. what is humana doing sending me a diy test kit? 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