helping the millions of americans hurting from the pandemic. with one month on the job now under his belt, it's full steam ahead on his $1.9 trillion rescue package which would include direct payments of $1400 to eligible americans, as well as enhanced unemployment benefits, a national vaccination program and more. despite two-thirds of americans approving of the bill, unsurprisingly, it's been met with republican recalcitrance. president biden remained undeterred. >> what would they have me cut? what would they have me leave out? should we not invest $20 billion to vaccinate the nation? should we not invest $290 million to extend unemployment insurance for the 11 million americans who are unemployed so they can get by? this is the united states of america for god's sake. we invest in people. who are in need. >> speaker of the house nancy pelosi says we can expect a vote in the house by the end of this week. roughly two weeks before a key jobless benefit programs expire. joining me now i richmond, senior adviser to president biden and director of the white house office of public engagement. mr. richmond, welcome to "the sunday show." >> thanks for having me, jonathan. >> great to see you. so the $1.9 trillion covid relief plan coming to the floor in the house at the end of next week, one, how confident are you that it's going to pass and, two, how confident are you that you will get republican votes for it? >> look, it's going to pass the house. democrats in the house, many of which are my friends, understand how important it is. and they understand how many people in this country are in need. so we didn't pick $1.9 trillion out of the air. what we did was we answered every issue that's out there. who needs help? what do we need to do to get this pandemic under control, and how do we jump start the american economy and make people whole or at least okay? and so it added up to $1.9 trillion. we're not going to leave people behind. and i think the democrats in the house and the speaker of the house understand that. and i think that you'll see overwhelming democratic vote to get it out. but, look, we want republican support. in fact, we have republican support. 50% of republicans in this country support it. republican governors support it. republican mayors support it. the only people in the country, the only republicans in the country that don't support it are republicans in the house of representatives and the u.s. senate right now. but this is a bipartisan bill, and everybody wants it. republicans and democrats. >> mr. richmond, to your point about republicans on capitol hill, one of their big complaints is that, well, $1.9 trillion is too big a price tag. would the president consider knocking it down a bit to $1.5 trillion or $1.2 trillion to bring more republicans on capitol hill along? >> well, the question to republicans, jonathan, who should we leave out? do you want to cut $20 billion and leave out veterans? because we have $20 billion in for veterans. do you want to take out the unemployment insurance for the 11 million americans that are unemployed? do you want to take out the $1400 that we're going to send to families that are struggling to make ends meet? and that's the real question. do you want to cut out the enhanced child tax credit or earned income tax credit? do you want -- i mean, you can't just say it's too big without picking who you want to leave out. president biden from the day he ran for office said it wasn't about him. it was about people. and that he didn't want to leave anybody behind. and this is a bill that does not leave anybody behind. $160 billion in there so we can open up schools faster and safer. money for state and local so that we can keep our firefighters and our police officers and our frontline workers working. so the question really is to republicans, you pick and tell me who you want to leave behind? we're not willing to leave anybody behind. >> mr. richmond, a little bit of time we have left, when will a decision be made by the president, by the white house on a trip to texas? >> look, and i keep saying this, but i'm not joking. we have a president who absolutely does not want attention. he doesn't want credit. he's not trying to do all of that. so if he can go to texas, put his eyes and ears on the pain and help, then i think he will go. but if he is a distraction that uses too many resources from the local area to come in, then he won't go. you have a president that absolutely only cares about the american people. so i think his decision is going to be based on, does his visit do more help than harm? does he drain resources from the local community, and what can he bring when he comes. it's just refreshing for a guy from katrina and rita to know that you have a president more concerned about my pain and my needs from a disaster than about a photo op. and so i think that's his rationale right now. >> we're going to have to leave it there. senior white house adviser, cedric richmond, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> thanks for having me. joining the conversation now, congresswoman joyce beatty of ohio and congressman john yarmouth of kentucky. thank you both very much for coming to "the sunday show." chairman yarmouth, you are the chair of the house budget committee. you just heard white house senior adviser cedric richmond say the american rescue plan is going to pass the house. that may be true but tell me, will it pass the house with republican votes? >> well, it certainly should, jonathan. it's good to be with you. you know, i look at somebody like jamie who represents 30 counties in my state. and he's going to get all of those 30 counties are going to get money. all the hundreds of towns in his district are going to get money. about 85% of his constituents will get $1400 each. and i don't know how you vote against something like that. but they're going to. i'm convinced that republicans just don't want to support anything. it's baffling to me. but we're going to have almost unanimous democratic vote, and we'll pass it in the senate as well. the american people, i think, can look forward to a healthy dose of progress from the american rescue beatty, i see y yarmuth. what are you hearing from your constituents about the kind of help they want from the american government? >> well, first of all, jonathan, thank you for having me as well. they're echoing what we're hearing across america. people need relief. they want relief. they want to open back up their businesses, and the thing we have to remember, when we provide the relief to them that's in this relief package, they put it back into the economy. we have certainly been devastated by the pandemic, not only from the health care end but also the economic end. so my constituents are asking for the relief checks. they're asking for the support that we marked up in my committee. $75 billion dealing also with housing to make sure people aren't evicted to make sure they don't lose their homes. i think it's the responsible thing to do. this is not about the politics of democrat or republican. when people are dying, when people are being evicted, there is no party affiliation with that. the american people need this. >> chairman yarmuth, $15 minimum wage, last i heard, is still a part of the package. if i'm wrong, correct me. but is it still part of the package? >> it's still in the house bill. it will go to the house floor and will pass as part of the package. the senate is a different proposition. we have a couple of democratic senators who said they really don't support going to $15. so the president is going to have to do some work. and there's some technical aspects of the reconciliation process that may make it difficult to pass in the senate. but we're going to send it over and hope the senate can figure it out. >> chairwoman beatty, if the senate parliamentarian says the $15 minimum wage as a result of the reconciliation process cannot be a part of the bill in order for it to pass, do you think a stand-alone $15 minimum wage bill could pass not just the house but also make it through the senate and on to the president's desk for signature? >> i think we will have to look at that when it comes, but absolutely. we're with the american people, and we know when you look at the minimum wage and look at the economy today and how long it's been that this is something we have to do. and so i am very comfortable that we will work through this. if it does not work, as you mentioned with the parliamentarian, but we're not there yet. let's see what happens. >> and you know, we should keep in mind when we talk about raising the minimum wage to $15. it's not that it shoots up to $15 the moment the bill is passed. this would be a gradual raising of the minimum wage to $15 at a set year. but another question here, and i'm going to ask you both, the same thing i asked senior white house adviser cedric richmond. there are republicans who are complaining about the price tag. $1.9 trillion. they think it should be less. before the bill actually makes it to the floor chairman yarmuth, is there room to negotiate to bring down the price tag? >> there would be room but there's no reason to. and i think if you listen to the wide range of economists and analysts about this, starting with jerome powell, chairman of the federal reserve, moody's goldman sachs, to virtually the entire philosophical spectrum, they all say we have plenty of fiscal space to spend this much money and we do need to do it going. going big is a far bigger risk than going small. >> last word to you, chairman beatty? >> i certainly agree with john. i think when you look at what's in the bill, i guess my answer would be to ask my republican colleagues, tell me what you want to take out? do you want not to put money in when we have 500,000 people dying with covid-19? do you want people to continue to be homeless? do you want to not support minority communities, black americans and others? i find it very challenging for us to reduce or remove anything. these are the things that the american people need and they're asking for. >> congressional black caucus chairwoman joyce beatty, welcome back to "the sunday show." i hope you'll come back soon. and congressman john yarmuth, your debut on "the sunday show." hope you'll come back. >> nice to be on. next up, the latest on the mess in texas. you're watching "the sunday show." fine, no one leaves the table until your finished. fine, we'll sleep here. ♪♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win. age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? 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deadly winter storm froze and burst pipes. thousands are still without power and yet some customers are now facing an unprecedented price hike in their energy bills. president biden has declared a major disaster for much of texas making federal funding available to communities across 77 counties in the state. joining me now from texas is nbc news correspondent antonia hylton. welcome. >> hi, jonathan. it has been a harrowing week here in texas. in houston where i am right now, residents still don't have safe drinking water at home, and in some cases, for people, particularly low income residents here, they don't have any water coming through their pipes at all. in response, the city launched a massive water distribution effort. and we have watched over the last couple of days as thousands of upon thousands of residents have showed up eager to get their hands up on a couple of cases of bottled water. yesterday at one of the sites that started at 9:30 a.m. we met people who had been in line since 5:30 a.m. which gives you a sense of the level of urgency and desperation. i spoke to folks who had not been able to keep their hands on clean drinking water for several days in a row. i interviewed a mom of a 2-month-old newborn baby who told me she had been breastfeeding her child while struggling herself and feeling like she was dying of thirst. people can't find water to drink but they're also going back home to houses that have been damaged by water. pipes bursting, the ceilings caving through. the good news is that because of that disaster declaration that you mentioned, people are going to get some relief because of the biden administration's declaration. if you are a homeowner who needs to make repairs or your home is unlivable, the federal government will be able to give assistance, but it is going to be a while here before we understand the full scope of the damage done by this storm. >> nbc news correspondent antonia hylton with that incredible report from texas. thank you very much. >> thank you. joining me now, sheila jackson lee from texas' 18th congressional district. congresswoman lee, thanks for coming to the show. we've seen pictures of you yesterday, i believe, with congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. what were the two of you doing in your district yesterday? >> well, we were joined, obviously, by so many volunteers, so many people in need. and congressman sylvia garcia who extended the invitation dealing with packing boxes for needy families. and, guess what? the food bank has taken those boxes and are now at the nrg stadium where 5,000 people are lined up. so this is in the backdrop of what we did yesterday. we gave out thousands and thousands and mondays of packages of water where people are desperate for a water to drink but also to wash and just to be safe. there are many harrowing stories that we have heard. seniors who are unable to get out. we went to their homes to try to help them. people are full of frustration and despair. but we're trying to give them a little joy and let them know that help is on the way. >> congresswoman, in reading up on what's happening in texas, i was struck by something. this is not the first time texas has been hit by natural disaster that knocked out the power. this is 2021. 10 years ago in 2011, the same thing happened and a report was written with recommendations. nothing happened. and before that, in 1989, a natural disaster happened. a report was written. recommendations put out. in both those instances, 89 and 2011, the recommendations were not followed. as a member of congress from texas, what can be done now to ensure that those recommendations, common sense recommendations, actually are followed through? >> well, jonathan, you've discovered the ugly sin, the ugly truth, if you will, of texas. and that is that we developed an energy grid that was singularly based upon the resources in our state. the reason is because the mindset of republicans of whom have been in charge for 20 years-plus was we don't want any federal intrusion. we want no federal oversight and look what we have now. we have people who have died. people who have burned in their homes. people died of carbon monoxide poisoning. so we're saying never again. and saying never again we're actually going to be working with the federal government. that's who i went to as early as tuesday to help me get some additional power from the southwest power grid which we were never told that existed. they pushed down some hydropower. unfortunately, it never got to the major large cities. we don't know where it went. but we're going to be asking and demanding that the state rechange our reorder its grid to make it an internet -- a national integrated grid in order to ensure that we have the ability to interact with other states. when i asked the federal government, did they have any swaps for us, they said your state can't swap because you do not have the transmission system that can reach california or new york or colorado. colorado said they had energy, but we couldn't get it. that's a selfish format that we had to do only for ourselves, not to help others, and then when we need it, they could not. then, of course, i've asked for a moratorium, and i want the federal government to help me, on these ridiculous energy bills that people will be facing because we have a deregulated system. the energy companies can use a law that we have that says that because they have lost power that the various customers, because they're on a variable rate, can you have their rate accelerated. $5,000 bills, $1,000 bills. outrageous. i'm demanding a moratorium, and i'm demanding these people who have been -- how should i say -- victimized twice, broken water pipes and water they can't drink. i'm demanding they have a moratorium and they do not have to pay at this time. >> congresswoman lee, i want to get your reaction to this bit of archive sound that we have of one of your senators, senator said cruz speaking with our own katy tur about superstorm sandy and the hurricane harvey aftermath. have a listen and then i want your reaction on the other side. >> a lot of people are pointing out that you voted against aid for sandy after that catastrophic storm up in the northeast. that package back in 2012. >> i and a number of others enthusiastically and emphatically supported hurricane relief for sandy. the problem with that particular bill is it became a $50 billion bill that was filled with unrelated pork. two-thirds of that bill had nothing to do with sandy. >> and, of course, we're playing that because senator cruz got caught up in it by leaving the state and going to mexico and then turning right around and coming right back. your reaction to your junior senator. >> well, all my good friends on the other side of the aisle have to check their moral compass and stop being obstructionists when it comes to going big and helping. now i know they have it in their hearts to do. they just have to do. and frankly, as i've said over and over again, each elected a for themselves. when there's a disaster, there's no place that i want to be other than in my district. now they have an opportunity to do what is right by passing and supporting the covid-19 package. but they can also collaborate with those of us who are going to be speaking appropriations to fix and redo the texas energy grid, electric grid, and to demand this grid be part of the national transmission system and to begin to have the oversight of the federal energy regulatory commission. in the early morning hours of the beginning of this week, last week, i called the biden administration, the u.s. department of energy. they were all too happy to try to engage with us and help us. try to look for energy resources, and they offered their commitment to funding, to help this system get back on its feet. and i hope no republican stands in the way because we are coming. we are coming from washington. we're coming as members of congress that are going to demand a complete overhaul. i can't stand to see the pain in the eyes, the hearts and the families of my constituents and those who lost their life. a little boy 11 years old died in his sleep. it has been said that he froze to death. a little -- a senior citizen, many of them, had to be carried out of their homes. and the only place they could go was to the hospital to avoid freezing to death in their bed. we can't have that anymore. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee of texas, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." >> thank you. we look forward to the president coming as well. we know he is the healer in chief, and we thank him for his concern. thank you. >> thank you. instant reaction to the first half of the show is next. keep it right here. still fresh unstopables in-wash scent booster downy unstopables you're strong. you power through chronic migraine - 15 or more headache days a month, ...each lasting 4 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and this is exhibit "a." i think it's -- >> looks like -- oh, there you are. >> the death and the people so traumatized to hear something like rick perry say texans would be without electricity for longer than three days to keep the federal government out of their business. so i guess that's why texas doesn't want to become part of a larger grid that would help ameliorate some of the suffering going on in texas right now, and hopefully they'll learn from this. >> maria teresa? >> listening to both cedric and the congresswoman sheila jackson, it was very clear that who is in charge matters, jonathan. the fact that we have a president that is recognizing the pain that texans are going through, that he's recognizing that policy needs to change because that's how fundamentally how you get the relief that you need. but then also listening to their empathy of what is happening with the people of texas. it is not only a relief but also recognizes the fact that when you go and vote and who your leadership matters. right now we have aoc who does not represent texas, has raised over 3 million to her effort. so to relieve texas, we have beto o'rourke who raised $1 million. julian casto raised close to a quarter million dollars and juxtapose that to ted cruz who wanted to flee and save his family from texas to mexico. and that is what the people right now of texas are seeing. who represents you matters. the importance of participation and, you know, my heart goes out to the family who lost that 11-year-old. my heart goes out because that little boy had never seen snow before. he went and played in the snow, went to bed and never woke up. that's tragedy. and that was specifically because the politicians that had pledged to be public servants did not do their job. >> and then compounding the tragedy that's happening in texas with power outages and food and water shortages, that's coming on top of the coronavirus pandemic. i've been talking with folks all morning about the $1.9 trillion covid relief bill. former congresswoman susan molinari, should there even be a debate over whether republicans should vote for this bill, get it done, get it through and get it signed? >> look, i think in a perfect world we'd hope that there could be some movement on both parts just to be able to say this was a bipartisan bill. i think even the theatrics of a bipartisan bill is something this country is looking for right now. that being said, if you don't, the biden administration is saying they don't need it. and they're going to have to -- they feel they have to go big or go home spoep at this point in time let's get this money out there, this aid out there and bring hope to people throughout this country feeling so helpless. i want to flip a little bit because we're talking about partisan divide on this. when we go to texas we're also talking about state divide. and since the time i was in congress, we would always have, you brought up hurricane sandy. people who were not impacted by a disaster said, it's too much. it's too much. but you have to help me. we have to start to recognize we're one america, and when a texan suffers, a new yorker suffers. and that's something that i hope president biden will help us to get back to. >> i think i heard you "uh-huh" maria teresa.me. >> thank you, sister. >> no, no, but it's true. and i think that is why the fact that you have alexandria ocasio-cortez. she represents new york. but she also is part of the most powerful governing body in the world. and recognizes that if one of us falters, we all falter. and we are now in a process of incredible trauma. and i think not only of what we're seeing because of the pandemic, the lives lost now that we're seeing during the power outage. there's not one american right now that does not feel for texas because this is also part of the increased climate change that we're witnessing. whether it was the california fires we saw earlier last year, whether it's this, it is all connected. and until we figure out how to address this social injustice that we're witnessing through climate change, we won't be able to actually talk about how do we move forward economically and so on and so forth. what you say is right. we are one america. and what happens at the -- from one coast to the next impacts us all. and now is the moment for us to think big, to rebuild. but to double down as a nation and as a countryman and countrywoman. >> yeah, absolutely. >> go ahead. >> there's -- between coronavirus, between what's going on with regard to climate change, people losing their jobs, losing their houses, we have got to come together as a nation and let people know the federal government is here to help. >> you two are so great, we're going to have you back in the next hour. susan molinari and maria teresa kumar. next up, the field of candidates vying to replace pat toomey in pennsylvania is expanding. malcolm kenyatta joins "the sunday show" after the break. ♪♪ this is 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why throw your hat in the ring to run for u.s. senate? >> you know, i said it when we launched. the country is really at a crossroads right now. absolutely. and every generation steps up to do two things. protect and expand the promise of america. and that promise we know has, for too long, excluded far too many of us. particularly working people. you know, you mentioned pat toomey at the top of the hour. and for two terms now, he has prioritized his big corporate donors over people who are struggling right now. a struggle that has been exacerbated by this cruel pandemic. and so i think we fundamentally have to go in a different direction. we have to have a message that resinates with working people. policies that actually lift up working people, but also we have to have authentic messengers who know what we're facing. when we talk about not having health care or student or housing or student loan debt. i've dealt with them and fought about them well before i decided to run for office. >> that gets to the next question i was going to ask after the "why now?" the next question is why you? >> people in pennsylvania need a fighter for working people. they need somebody who is going to bring energy and clear vision to the inaction that we so often see in washington as it relates to what working families need. you look at what has happened throughout this pandemic. small businesses that are closing. eviction crisis that is still looming. folks struggling with student loan debt and other types of debt. what we need are people who understand in their heart, who understand through their lived experience what it looks like when government doesn't work. if we're going to get from where we are to where we need to be, it's going to be people who know where the pain is who can identify it, who are going to be best able to lead us to a place where america's promise is not just a promise but it's something that we actually fulfill for every single american. >> now pennsylvania is -- it flipped back to the blue column in the 2020 election. you are from the philadelphia area, right? >> yep. >> so heavily blue. but a lot of the state is red. what's going to be your message to red pennsylvania to get them to vote for you? >> well, listen, this is currently the only toss-up seat, according to cook political report. and so what's happening in the pennsylvania senate race is going to be critical to democrats expanding and maintaining the majority in the senate right now. what we're going to have to do is bring the gang back together that just elected joe biden and just what we saw in georgia. that was working class voters. that was young people. that were suburban voters that are more and more becoming democratic leaning voters. also seeing record turnout among african-americans. people in every single part of pennsylvania know what it means to not be paid a wage that has a level of dignity. know what it means for health care to be something out of reach for people fop have people struggling. am i going to buy my prescriptions this month or pay my bills? this is a struggle that is universal across the commonwealth. and so i believe that this campaign about lifting up working people is a campaign that in every single part of the commonwealth, people are going to get engaged with. that's why we see thousands of people just in 48 hours go to malcolm kenyatta.com and get engaged in this campaign. >> representative kenyatta, can we just talk about how revolutionary your ad is? and i say that because we showed a key moment from your ad at the beginning of this segment. and it's you doing what american families do every day. we're about to see it right now. well, no, it came before that, but it's you walking out of your house and giving your husband a kiss on the lips and walking out. why was it important for a campaign launch ad, why was it important for you to show your life as you live it? >> well, dr. matt likes to correct. he said, i kissed you. but i think, you know, in general, people want to see candidates that represent the fullness of the american experience. you know, you mentioned that we've only ever elected 11 african-americans to the united states senate. and it's not only because there have only been 11 qualified african-americans who could serve. but we've never elected a gay man to the united states senate. an openly gay man. it's not because there's never been a qualified openly gay man. we have to recognize the value of our distinctions. and i know exactly what it's like to be treated unfairly simply because of who i am and who i love. and for pennsylvanians, whether they look like me or not or love like me or not, what they know after seeing me in harrisburg and understanding my work as a community activist before that, that i will fight like hell for pennsylvanians and for working people. and that is ultimately the question in this campaign. who should government work for? 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did while he was in office. as an ordinary citizen. unless the stath statue of limitation has run, still liable for everything he did while he was in office. didn't get away with anything, yet. yet. >> welcome back to "the sunday show." i'm jonathan capehart. just over a week ago the senate voted to acquit donald trump for inciting a insurrection on the capitol, but the push to hold him and his supporters accountable is ongoing. just last night "the washington post" reported the justice department and the fbi are investigating whether trump ally roger stone and radio host alex jones played a role in the january 6th attack. as trump prepares to make his first public appearance this week since leaving office, his legal troubles are also mounting. the naacp has filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of congressman bennie thompson, accusing trump of violating the kkk act of 1871. the lawsuit contending trump, his attorney rudy giuliani, along with two white supremacists groups, the proud boys and gatekeepers, violated congress from violent conspiracies that interfere with their constitutional duties. the approval by congress of the votes cast by members of the electoral college. joining me now is the plaintiff in that lawsuit, congressman bennie thompson from mississippi, also the chair of the house committee on homeland security. congressman thompson, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." why this lawsuit and why that act? >> well, it's clear the act is applicable to this situation. you showed on your preview the individuals who were basically trying to take over the capitol and stop members of congress from doing their job. that act was passed in 1871 to prevent southerners, i.e., the klu klux klan to prevent individuals working from the rest of the united states congress. if you look at what happened on january 6th, you saw the president give a speech, encourage those individuals to go to the capitol and stop the steal. what people saw was an insurrection of people overrunning the capitol police and basically threatening not just the lives of congress but also their staffs as well as president trump's vice president at that time, so clearly leader mcconnell was right. one of the methods allowed is for us to go to court, either criminally or civilly, and we're going on the civil site, to hold donald trump, his lawyer, the oath keepers and the proud boys liable for what occurred on january 6th. >> if memory serves, this -- holding someone accountable using this act hasn't been used in recent memory. i'm just wondering what you think the prospects of success are. >> well, we feel very good. we talked about attorneys. we filed suit on tuesday of this past week. it's been assigned to a judge. and it will be heard in the district of columbia where the offense occurred. we're excited about it. we've had a number of attorneys offer their services. we have witnesses coming out of every imaginable area saying they want to participate. so, i think the public understands that if this administration in the past is not held accountable, then every election that somebody disagree, they can just rush into city hall, rush into the county courthouse and just tear the place up. but that's not who we are. there's a lot more at stake than just what happened on january 6th. it is really our system of democracy. >> right. and to that point, then, let's say the case winds its way through the judicial process and you lose. would the efforts still have been worth it? because if you lose, the same things you were just talking about would still befall the country. is the effort worth it? >> well, it is. we're a nation of laws. and we settle our differences either in court or at the ballot box. what happened on january 6th should never happen again. so, if we lose, then we appeal and we go onto the appeal court and then to the supreme court. and i'm not overly optimistic, but, jonathan, to be honest with you, we have to put this lawsuit front and center because, as you know, the proud boys, oath keepers, really want to destroy democracy, and clearly they operate as domestic terrorists and we have to prevent people who want to destroy this great country of ours. we have to stop it at all costs. >> chairman thompson, as i noted at the top of the show, this is a clever idea too bring this lawsuit using the klu klux klan act of 1871. whose idea was it? did you go to the naacp or did they come to you and say, i'll be a plaintiff? >> i'm a life-long member of the naacp. i participated in a number of legislation and challenges in the past. the johnson, the president and ceo is one of my best friends. we talked about it. he said, let me have the lawyers look at it. they looked at it. after the senate failed to convict donald trump in the impeach. proceedings, we felt the evidence was overwhelming. we said, we can take this evidence presented to the senate, put it in a court of law, do discovery and other things, we very well could come out with a jury picked from the district of columbia who understands what happened, who saw it like millions of other people did, and we're convinced they will make a judicial decision, not a political decision. >> with that we have to leave it there. congressman bennie thompson of mississippi, chairman of the homeland security committee, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you for having me. joining me to discuss, jon meacham, who occasionally vices president biden on historical matters and major speeches. author of "his truth is marching on", and jennifer rubin, opinion writer for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst, and christina greer, politics editor for the grio and associate professor at fordham university. all-star panel. i'm going to start with the historian first. jon meacham, talk about the significance of this lawsuit and why using the kkk act of 1871, to my mind, is a clever thing to do. >>. >> it is. i love the setup, if i may, jonathan. we have an all-star panel, but we'll start with meacham. thanks. i'm tracking here on the first sunday of lent. i think it's important as i know you do. when you think the way i think, you're always trying to think historically. am many ways where we are right now, as we were in the 1850s, where two competing visions of reality are clashing. what congressman thompson and the naacp have brilliantly done is turned the lens a bit and said, maybe this is more like the 1870s when we were trying to put a union together that would, in fact, enact the implications of the verdict of the civil war. that's what the klan at was about. the klan act was one of president grant's great moments, i think. he wrote out part of the language himself. he went to the hill and said, you know, this is what i need to put down the insurrections against federal law. and this is clearly what we saw on january 6th was the most vivid manifestation of an insurrection against federal law. and i think chairman thompson's warning about the possibility of this becoming franchised is really important. that if, in fact, we do not stand up for the democratic, lower case "d" rule of law, you could see an enormous number, as we did, during reconstruction and an enormous number of efforts to overturn lawful elections. >> i do want to be clear. when i say this is clever, by no means am i belittling what they're doing. i think this is very imaginative, and to your point, historian meacham, it is important. i'm going to the other professor on this panel, professor greer. your thoughts on this lawsuit. >> it highlights the importance, jonathan, of descripts and substantive representation. i think representative thompson working with the naacp is fantastic. i think we need creative collusions to an intricate and historical problem. i would like to see more members of the house step into the forefront and not necessarily leave all of these questions to members of the cbc. it needs to be a wholistic effort. we know the biden administration has under two years of unified government and we don't know what the 2022 elections will bring. while we try and fight the coronavirus and, you know, rebuild the economy, we also have to make sure this is settled in some way, or at least it stays on the table. as jon has mentioned, we now have republican-controlled state houses across the country. we know they will try this on local and state levels. so, this can't be something where it happened on january 6th and so many members of congress and so many members want to move past it. we absolutely cannot set that precedent. if so, the democrat republic is in severe danger, especially because of the threat of donald bidding. >> and jennifer rubin, i'm coming to you because you are the lawyer on the panel. you wrote a column in "the washington post" about the lawsuit. and you, too, think it is a great thing to do. explain. >> well, i'm a recovering lawyer, i'm no longer practicing but i'll take the compliment. there are a number of benefits by operating under this statute, none the least is a poetic justice associating this with the klan. it is an attempt to disenfranchise millions of americans, many of them african-americans. it has a bunch of benefits. first of all, lots of people can bring these suits. not only members of congress. say you were a member of the michigan boat canvassing board that was pressured by president trump, can you bring one of these suits, too. there are lots of people in lots of states who may have causes of action. this need not be, as the professor said, one congressman or one congressman from the congressional black caucus. it can be lots of places. the second benefit is discovery. you can subpoena people, you can put people under oath. they don't have the ability not to just show up the way donald trump chooses to not show up. you have the subpoena power to documents and individuals. the third benefit of this is that you have a preponderance of evidence standard. it's not beyond a reasonable doubt. it's a standard entirely achievable, particularly with a jury that is going to be a diverse jury from washington, d.c. in many ways, this is the ideal benefit. i personally hope there are criminal charges brought in various jurisdictions as well. the beauty of our legal system is you can do it all. let 1,000 lawsuits bloom in this case. you can have criminal suits both in the district and in georgia. you can have civil suits. and hopefully donald trump will spend his remaining days in a courtroom and under oath. that's when he will be held responsible. >> well, you know, one thing we know, donald trump, whether he shows up or not shows up, he's going to show up at cpac next week. his first speech since the inauguration of president biden. down the road, the historian, then the other professor and then the lawyer. the significance of trump speaking at cpac. mcconnell wants to rid the party of donald trump. will it be -- will it be that easy? meacham, you go first. >> no, it's not going to be easy at all because in many ways too many republican voters have replaced a party of principle with a cult of personality. and i say that, it's not a partisan point. we had a conversation in this country, however vociferous and however disagreeable sometimes through the new deal through barack obama that was really a figurative conversation between fdr and reagan. we fought over tax rates. we fought over the relative projection of force upon commonly agreed upon foes and rivals and then we had this disruptive force come in that blew up a kind of consensus, a kind of unity. so, i don't think it's going to be easy at all. i'll also say, so that's next sunday, i guess. we're here by chance, jonathan, on the 81st birthday of our mutual friend, john lewis. and i think we should hang a lantern as we talk about voting rights and talk about democracy and a more perfect union, remembering what he did to get us this far and reminding us about how far we have to go. >> you know what, i was going to go down the line, but i think that is the perfect place for us to end this conversation, by remembering the late john lewis and what he meant to this country, what he meant to our republic and what he meant for our democracy. jon meacham, jennifer, and christina greer, you have to come back. up next, 400 years of black history, 90 writers and one incredible book. details coming up. ils coming up. darrell's family uses gain flings now so their laundry smells more amazing than ever. isn't that the dog's towel? hey, me towel su towel. more gain scent plus oxi boost and febreze in every gain fling. i'm still going for what's next. even with higher stroke risk due to... afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin,... i want that. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk better than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking 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400 souls, a community history of afternoon america, 1619-2019 took on the ambitious task of selling four centuries of black history through 90 writers, according to editor dr. ibram kendi, singles the struggle of life of joy, of racism, anti-racism, of creation, of destruction, of america's clearest chords, year after year, of liberty, justice and democracy for all. joining me the editors, dr. keisha blain and dr. ibram xkendi, founder of anti-racism research at boston university. thank you both for coming to "the sunday show." dr. blain, i'll start with you, why 90 writers to write about 400 years of american history, black history? >> first, thanks for having us. we wanted to bring together a community of writers to essentially tell a community history of black america. and the idea was to ask 80 specific writers to grapple with five years of history and then ten poets to reflect on essentially a 40-year period. so as readers encounter the text, they'll find a series of essays. at the end of each section they'll find a poem that grapples with the core theme of that section. again, the idea for us was to really encapsulate that vision of community in telling the history. so, we thought the best way to do it was to reach out to a total of 90 brilliant black writers. >> dr. kendi, i haven't read the entire book, it is long, but what's wonderful about those five years you're talking about, dr. blain, is that these are chapters that don't go on and on. they're about five to six pages. but five to six really powerful pages telling the story of the history of our people and our country. of course, the opening chapter is written by nikole hannah-jones, pulitzer prize winning 1619 project creator. she writes, when we are creating a shared history, what we remember is just as revelatory as we forget. while arriving just a year apart, one ship and its people have been immortalized, the other completely erased. that paragraph right there could be seen, dr. kendi, as sort of the thesis statement for why this book, why 400 souls came together, couldn't it? >> i think so. and people who read "four hundred souls" shared with us again and again they learned so many stories about american history, about african-americans, you know, simply not told, particularly stories of ordinary people or extraordinary ships, like the white lion. so, that was one of the beauties of this text, that we brought in so many stories and so many perspectives. they were bite-sized so people could wrap their heads around them. >> i forgot to tell the control room. i want to go to element 2, ally ship from germantown chapter. this is pretty incredible. in this chapter, blacks do not need allies who fight for our inclusion. rather, we need people who are possessed of the basic belief that we are human and that any arguments that depend on rejection -- that depend on rejection of that proposition are tyrannical and unjust. talk more about that, dr. blain. >> this is an excerpt from a piece written by christopher lebron, a professor, a philosopher at johns hopkins university. i think what is so clear in this particular passage and in the entire essay is just how much this history is crucial to understanding the present. and one of the things that's clear in lebron's piece, when we think about ally ship, even in the contemporary context, some of the challenges that we saw in the historical lens remain salient today, which is that many people will stand up and assert themselves as allies and insist that they are standing and supporting black and brown communities, but ultimate what, you know, alliship isn't just exploring declarations or putting up a black lives matter banner on your front lawn or at the end of her email signature, it truly is about recognizing certainly the dignity and the humanity of black people. and i think, you know, crystal braun was trying to draw the connection within the historical lens to make a statement about what allyship needs to look 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know you're going to be back because you've got fans. >> loyal watchers of "the sunday show" know my aunt gloria sometimes joins us sharing her perspective on the news as someone who does not get paid to play in politics. with so many viewers relateding to her down-to-earth point of view, we decided to give you even more of that real people talk with a new segment we're calling "the way i see it." joining me now are married actors and activists, mandy and kathryn grody. your debut on "the sunday show." good to see you. >> good to see you. >> i long for the time when we can be with aunt gloria and talk at the same table. >> when this is over, when covid is over and we can all get together, that is definitely happening. that would be fantastic. >> that would be great. >> the last time we talked, it was in the middle of the presidential campaign and so much was going on. you were both very fired up. your videos captured the imagination of the nation. you are activists. i'm just wondering, now that president biden has won, the democrats have complete control of government in washington, how are you keeping the activist spirit alive? >> go ahead. >> well, i think as president biden recently said, jonathan, democracy doesn't happen by itself. and i think we proved, thanks profoundly to black americans and activists of all kinds, that it takes work. and it feels good. it feels good it worked. democracy worked in this moment. and i'm just very excited about the support we need to keep giving it, you know. i'm supporting people with moral integrity and i'm supporting people that support stimulus and helping people. and i feel a great relief and possibility is how i basically feel. >> same for you, mandy? >> yeah. i'm just so grateful that we have a truthful administration in power across the boards. the truth, i think, is the singular most important thing in my life. my dad was 18 when my dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and the elders in my family said, let's tell daddy he has hepatitis. my father was no idiot. he learned in no time he didn't have hepatitis. he had cancer. we can take the truth. i learned never again to lose that precious time with a father, with our family, with ourselves, with our day, with our life, with our country. and people devoted to falsehoods and various theories, it's cancer to our existence, to our nation. we must not have it anymore. that's the blessing of every individual in our country, having the power of the vote. to put into power what you think, what you care about, what you want for your life and your children. >> you have to believe, you know, i believe the vote was profoundly fair, every court, every conservative judge does. it was fair. how you deal with that, jonathan, i'm not an expert on how you deal with disinformation. maybe bring back the fair doctrine act -- >> i am an expert. it's the truth. you deal with it by taking the truth, the truth is the truth. and if somebody wants to devote themselves to being a maga red-headed make up the truth world, send them to mars. it's a nice red planet. everyone will be happy there. this is a blue planet. take a look at those pictures from outer space. we are a blue planet and we take care of our humanity here and around the world as this week has shown by what biden has done by putting us back in the world game. >> you know, jonathan, what i want to say is i think it's healthier for human beings to live without a constant state of fear and rage. it's not good for you. it's better to say hello to your neighbor, to be kind to somebody, to have a complex conversation. i would like adam kinzinger to come to my house for brunch, okay? i'm writing letter to every one of those impeachment -- i'm sure he'll be fine. i'm good. 72% of americans, americans support the stimulus package. really, we want to get vaccinated, we want to work together. it feels better. that's what world war ii generation is so good for. >> go, baby, go. >> fdr didn't say you states respond independently to the invasion of pearl harbor. we need to find a way of coming together for the common good. >> and we need to get -- go ahead, jonathan. >> yeah, it's your show. >> finish that thought and i have a covid question for you. >> mine was just -- i want to do the covid thing. that's where i was going. >> oh, okay. well, the vaccine is out there. have you gotten the vaccine? >> yes, we got both of them and we're very relieved. i just want people to embrace the science, get the vaccine. it will just make your life freer. it's like the world being lifted off your shoulders. we have to work to educate the public that science is correct. it's not made up. it will keep you safe. and then we have to then reach out to other nations to keep them safe. first, let's take care of our own in our own neighborhoods and let's take care of ethical equality. we cannot let black, hispanic and latinx people who have been the victims to the greatest percentage of this pandemic, this virus, go by the wayside. we have to vote as a voting populous and write into our elected officials to please take care of those on the front lines of catching this epidemic. that is our job. they have suffered enough. and those people, the blacks, the hispanics and the latinx, they helped put this administration into place. those who have suffered the most in this nation for 400 years of systemic racism brought the democratic party to a whole unification where they can get things done without months and months and years of debating and back and forth getting nothing done. god bless those people. and let's bless them with a vaccine and pay attention. >> i mean, it is -- it's definitely sunday. mandy and kathryn grody took us to church. we have to meet in person when we are able to, as soon as we can. it is wonderful to see you. >> aunt gloria, too. >> she will be there. thank you both very much. up next -- >> she will make her good pancakes, which everyone will love. >> thanks 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very simple question. please, just answer it. >> once the -- once the electors are counted, yes, he's the legitimate president. but if you're going to ignore the fact there were states that did not follow their own state laws, millions of people are still not happy with. >> joining me now is president and ceo of vote latino and msnbc contributor, maria-teresa, and msnbc analyst, donna edwards. susan, since you are the republican here on the panel, what's up with steve scalise, congressman scalise? >> it's so painful. look, this country -- we're talking about everything that's going on in this country right now. we need the republicans to say without, you know -- biden was elected president. biden is the president, full stop. you know, it's really disheartening to think at this point in time when voters care more about what's going on in texas, covid, a stimulus package, we're still playing this game. so, you're not going to get me as a republican to blow up the panel. >> right. donna, you're from the other side of the aisle. is it surprising to you that here we are, one month into the biden/harris administration and we still have not just republicans, but a republican leader who still won't acknowledge the fact that joe biden won the election fair and square and legitimately? >> is it a surprise? actually, no, it's not a surprise. especially with today's republican party. not only do we have steve scalise this morning on television really not able to come to that acknowledgment, the conclusion that the rest of the world has that joe biden is president and won legitimately, we have kevin mccarthy carry himself down to mar-a-lago and the same thing with steve scalise. i think this is a broken and dangerous republican party. they continue to feed the lie. i think when we see the former president come back onto the stage this week, that he will continue to feed that lie. and it is dangerous and could lead to more violence. >> marmaria-teresa, what do you make of the fact that there are still republicans and republicans in the leadership who won't say president biden is, indeed, president biden? >> my life's work has been to franchise our voters, that we believe that perfect participation is that every voice counts. and in november, people voted. and the fact the republican party, the leadership of the republican party don't want to acknowledge the results, let's speak plainly. it's a grift. they make so much money on their fund-raising emails trying to gin up an undemocratic process that was proven to be democratic by the courts, by individuals who are republican and democratic on both sides of aisle when we're looking at our -- when we're looking at the seconds of state in georgia, when we're looking at pennsylvania, arizona, nevada. they are trying to raise money off undemocratic principles and results. and as both congresswomen said, it is incredibly dangerous because it's not just about going after the person's vote but also speaking under a completely different banner of lies. if we cannot trust the legitimacy of our elections, that's when nefarious activity starts. that's when individuals begin to start erode our democracy. no one is more pleased than what is happening right now in questioning our democratic elections than the russians and the chinese, the iranians, foreign actors who want our democracy not to thrive. i would encourage mccarthy and the republican leadership to get their act together. this is about our patriotism, this is about our nation and this is not about their party, but about our party and our democratic principles. >> not all republicans are enthralled to the former president. have a listen to what state senator jim hendren of arkansas had to say. >> i would not support him for re-election in 2024. he's going to have a voice, but as former presidents do, but there's many voices in the party. again, he sho for ours. >> my bad. that was asa hutchinson. i was thinking of his nephew, hendren, who changed party. that was asa hutchinson saying he's not going to support donald trump for re-election in 2024. susan, will he be -- will more people within the republican party of his stature. he's not alone. but it's not a crowd of people like him. i'm thinking of also senator ben sasse, former senator jeff flake. will more republicans, as time gets closer to 2024, come out and say donald trump is not who we -- is not who we are, it's not who we should be and we need to push him aside if we're going to lead this country in the future? >> double fingers crossed. we hope so. here's what concerns me, though. i do think at a national level we will start to see more and more republicans like the ones that you mentioned. and i have to highlight my dear friend, liz cheney, who have taken some really aggressive and patriotic stands. what concerns me more, though, jonathan, is the fact that on the state level, all these republican parties, the second someone says something bad about donald trump or doesn't vote for donald trump, they immediately get together, call an emergency meeting and chastise that person. i don't know how we get the republican party back at the grassroots and how long that's going to take. that concerns me even more than when steve scalise hedges on who is the duly elected president right now, with regard to the future of the republican party. >> and donna edwards, the republicans do stand a good chance, particularly in the house, of retaking control. so then how do democrats take advantage of the intraparty fighting that's happening within the gop to make sure they hang onto control in the house and maybe eke out a few more seats in the senate? >> well, i think on the house side, i mean, democrats have to double down and reinforce their incumbents who are in really tough districts. they have to choose candidates who fit the districts they can run in. and i think they have to make sure that they're proceeding on a legislative track where these incumbents have something to show for their work. passing a covid relief bill, doing infrastructure, getting things done that the american people overwhelmingly want done and support by president biden. so, i think there are opportunities there for democrats, but the republican party itself, because it is so broken, those opportunities are greater, i think, in an off year than they would be otherwise. >> maria-teresa, you agree? >> completely. i think right now the biden administration and congress has two years to put points on the board, to provide economic relief, to provide people with an opportunity to pass and see a future. this is a recovery bill that we're talking about. and we also want to rebuild. that would be one. the other is to show receipts. show receipts of the individuals that are not building the democracy. the ones that vote so they're not voting for a $15 minimum wage. if you were to ask me one policy that the democrats should be touting, it's pushing that $15 minimum wage. if you recall, jonathan, during the 2018 midterm elections, people even in arkansas voted for it, even though they voted for cotton. that is singularly one of the bills that crosses party lines. why? because $15 will impact someone in their 20s as equally as they will impact someone at 68. this allows the democrats to really double down and say, you're a member of congress, they voted against this. >> susan, i want to end with you because i was just told before we came back from commercial break that president biden made an off the record, unscheduled not on his calendar visit to former senator and former republican presidential nominee bob dole yesterday. it was -- he announced this week that he's dealing with cancer. treatment begins tomorrow. your thoughts on senator dole and the fact that the democratic president of the united states went to visit him yesterday. >> right. that is -- that is an example of what is in the best of our country. i want to just thank you for giving me this opportunity, as you know i was very close to senator dole. when we talk about somebody who was a great example of the republican party, in which we hold up so proudly, when we talk about somebody who put country first, that's senator dole. we did find out that he has stage 4 lung cancer. so, again, we wish all our love and prayers to secretary dole and to senator dole. and thank president biden for showing us the way of caring about each other as human beings rather than republicans and democrats. >> and thank you for that, susan molinari. might not agree with former senator bob dole on his politics or policy positions, but to your point, he was country over party. he truly believes in this country. and the fact that the president of the united states, that joe biden went to visit him, says a lot about who we are as a country and where we need to get back to so that this town starts working for the country again. maria-teresa kumar, former congresswoman susan molinari, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." point of personal privilege here. before we go to break, today we say good-bye to our great executive producer james holme. if you like this show, he's a large part of the reason why. james has been at msnbc for nearly 12 years and has created and guided some of your favorite programs, including the ed show, with the late ed schultz, and "am joy" with joy reid, who would make cable history with "the reid out" and "the sunday show." he's been a great show and guiding light for this team. james, we will miss you and your love of grilling, zoom happy hours and all things minnesotan. best of luck to you in your new adventure. skol. real be right back. for skin that never holds you back don't settle for silver #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief* and #1 for eczema symptom relief* gold bond champion your skin gold bond with new rewards from chase freedom unlimited, i now earn even more cash back? 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