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with me now the chief of advocacy for the former press secretary for latino outreach for bernie sanders. and ahmad alaziz. gayland, i want to start with you. we see how much of impact all of this is having on real people's lives. there was a deportation flight to cameroon stopped this week. i.c.e. stopped the flight because of brutality. what's going to happen to people who were supposed to be deported? >> thank you so much, alicia. the reality is we are dealing with some very critical situations right now. as you mentioned, the critical aspect unrolling in haiti with the unrest and demanding for the president to leave the country actually tomorrow. people are asking him to leave the country. so what we have been seeing is that an uptick in deportation to haiti which has been happening on a daily basis this past week. and about two of them this past thursday. so what we have been calling for is really for a relief for those people who have come to the border asking for asylum because of all those different issues happening back in the homeland. whether it is from haiti, as we just mentioned, from cameroon, from angola, from mexico and honduras, jamaica. so the idea is that all those flights have to be stopped in order for those people to get relief. it is unconscionable for the united states to be deporting people. and as we mentioned before, we saw the flight that left on thursday a baby, an infant, 4 to 5 months old being deported, pregnant women, babies and children, family units instead of giving them safety, we see that we continue to allow the system to destroy lives and deport them back to danger. >> in the same week biden is raising the cap on refugees, secretary of state anthony blinken suspended the asylum cooperative agreements with the governments of el salvador and guatemala and honduras. >> it signals that we are supposed to be in the right path to allow a safe and just and dignified way for us to allow people to come and ask for asylum. right now we have to hold accountable all the people who are involved are including our president, our government, our elected officials because when we have those policies, we have to make sure that they are being done in a way that they are being implemented and make sure that people get the relief that they need. >> hamad, i want to get you to jump in. >> i think this is an initial step by the administration to undo some of the agreements that were put in place before. they knew walking in that these agreements were somewhat of a disaster on the ground, fording guatemala essentially to take back folks who were coming to the southern border. and the other two agreements were never actually implemented. it took so long for the trump administration, they never implemented them. >> erica, really big picture, what does it say to you there are still immigrants being deported? >> well, first of all, a deportation under a republican president or a democratic president is still a deportation. a separation of family, it doesn't matter who the president is. it still separation, pain and trauma. to me it's important that this administration hit the ground running, that they acknowledge and ensure that the rogue agencies that they inherited from both the obama administration -- i mean, even before obama and now trump, they inherited these terrible agencies. there is accountability towards them. those of us in the advocacy community are asking for i.c.e. to be abolished. but there has to be a first step and we really hope that alejandro mayorka, that he stop deportation. i.c.e. has a discretion, and we, you know, we need to acknowledge that this isn't just an immigration rives. this is a humanitarian crisis that we need to tackle and that we need to solve immediately. there to pick up on erica's point, the biden administration knew that i.c.e. was going to be a problem in part because i.c.e. was a problem that predates the trump administration. it was worse under trump but it was something they knew they were going to have to do. a whistle blower alleged that ken cuccinelli signed an agreement with an i.c.e. union giving them vito authority in order to hamstring biden. what more do we know about that agreement and where then it leaves biden? >> i think this all highlights the point that the biden administration wanted to halt most deportations for 100 days and get either a lay of land of what was happening at the agency and what ways it could potentially reform the way i.c.e. was deporting individuals, arresting individuals. and when it comes to this agreement, i.c.e. officials are still examining it. the whistle blower said this could potentially allow a union to delay some of these big changes the biden administration wants to implement like who they can arrest and who they cannot arrest. if this was actually what the whistleblower described, it could cause a big issue for the biden administration. >> a lot of biden's actions this week call for reviews and plannings, not necessarily new policies to implement. i wonder both what you have make of that and what you want to see biden and congress do when it comes to immigration policy? >> yeah, i mean, to be honest, a lot of us, myself and the organization i work with, we're very disappointed there wasn't more action and there was a lot of directives that happened. compared to the trump administration, he hit the ground running in the wrong direction, but he did. i mean, there was all kinds of actions happening when he took office and we want to see the opposite of that right now. we need to see more action happen. as you mentioned, one of our clients, all the brothers and sisters and siblings getting deported in masses to haiti, to cameroon, to mexico, this is actually something that we need to tackle right away. we were disappointed that it didn't happen, that there wasn't more action and we're asking them to keep that promise. democrats have made a promise for decades that they're going to tackle immigration, not just the path to citizenship but that they're going to be tackling this in a humane way. and we are going to be pushing for that promise to be met. whether it is through executive action or through legislation without having to rely on republicans because they have shown us what they're about. republicans have shown they are with trump and democrats can do a lot on their own. >> will -- as other advocates push for reform, tell me about those released after texas refused to take them. >> there is a situation where border patrol is releasing more families at one portion of the border. this is a situation what is still evolving. the mexican government came out today and said they're still taking central american families and this is a situation that maybe not what was initially, you know, said. we'll see. >> if the administration is listening, what do you want your departing thoughts to be? >> our thought is to make sure that the system works. because as my sister andrea mentioned, we are expecting folks to be allowed in in dignity. we are demanding for all those flights to be stopped immediately. we are asking that we have a system that works properly because we are ready to receive people. we are ready to give them the dignity that they need, but right now we are asking the biden administration to provide that -- that streamline so that people's lives are not in danger so that we can make sure that all of those things we are seeing, returning people to mexico and deporting people do not happen under the biden/harris administration. >> thank you. we're going to follow the story and expect to be seeing a lot of the three of you. next, how the far right to pose more danger. one of his jurors will join me. plus, how federal investigators are not letting up on their pursuit of justice against last month's insurrection. i'll talk to frank flagruzi. >> kansas city assistant coach reid was in a car crash that injured two children, one of them critically. police say britt reid is being investigated for impairment. reed told officers he had two to three drinks. he will not be traveling with the chiefs for the super bowl tomorrow. and an intruder boarded an airplane reinvolved for military commanders. the intruder was turned over to local law enforcement. the security breach was one day before president biden flew out of that base. >> more than 100 inmates took over a section of the st. louis city jail early this morning. a corrections officer was injured and is in the hospital. inmate threw things out of broken windows and started small fires. more of "american voices" right after this break. voices" right after this break obsession has many names. this is ours. the new lexus is. all in on the sports sedan. lease the 2021 is 300 for $359 a month for thirty nine months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. my husband and i have never eaten healthier. shingles doesn't care. i logged 10,000 steps today. shingles doesn't care. i get as much fresh air as possible. good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. but no matter how healthy you feel your immune system declines as you age, increasing your risk for getting shingles. so what can protect you? 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is that part of what you want investigated? >> we need to come up with tools for dealing with a very different threat scenario than we've had historically. most of our laws are designed to deal with foreign terrorism groups. they're not really structured and we need to find that right balance between making sure that our intelligence community, for example, is not surveilling people here at home, but when real threats are made, when real violence is demonstrable, to have a system where with a warrant, you are paying attention to these organizations, you're gathering intelligence and information on these organizations and you're treating these threats seriously because we've seen what happens when you don't. >> now take a listen to what president biden said in an interview with cbs. should former president trump still receive intelligence briefings? >> i think not. >> why not? >> because of his erratic behavior unrelated to the insurrection. i just think that there is no need for him to have that intelligence briefing. what value is giving him an intelligence briefing? what impact does he have at all other than the fact he might slip and say something. >> today white house press secretary jen psaki said the president was expressing concern about the president having access to sense tough intelligence. i'd like you to answer the questions posed by president biden. what good is there for giving president biden an intelligence briefing? >> absolutely none. having seen how much he communicates things other presidents have kept very closely guarded to the world, often tipping our hand to foreign actors, i don't think there is any necessity in having the former president have access to that kind of information. >> senator, you were one of the first of your colleagues to realize what was going on january 6th at the capitol. former president donald trump's lawyers have claimed that his conduct around the riot is shielded by the first amendment. in a letter circulated on friday, 144 leading first amendment lawyers and constitutional scholarsay that claim is legally frivolous. i assume you agree. >> absolutely. and this is a pattern. we've seen this over and over again from this president and from his legal teams. any time that he is called to account for either bad behavior or criminal behavior or what he did in ukraine, he says look over there. don't look at me, don't look at what i did wrong, look at something else. and so this is just a fig leaf. it's part of a pattern and i think, you know, when it comes to the evidence, the evidence came to us on january 6th, and i don't know how you can possibly ignore that. >> senator heinrich, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> my pleasure. >> ahead, congress can hold the president accountable, but what about the rioters he incited? 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>> i think first and foremost i'm happy to be here with you this evening to talk about this. it really important that we recognize from the outset that black girls are not disposable. yet what we're seeing is a dehumanization and adultification of black girls specifically lead them to being viewed as disposable. she in the video had to remind them she's a child. these acts may seem isolated but they're steeped in a pattern of racialized gender-based violence. it's not necessarily serving as locations for healing and safety for black girls. i want to situate this in the context of a few things. first, black girls are still the only group of girls who are overrepresented across the spectrum of school discipline at every educational level. when we see these cases, including the 9-year-old who was pepper sprayed and the two other cases of teen-age girls who were experiencing state violence, you have to remember that black girls are more than three and a half times more likely than white girls to be arrested on campus and that they often face retaliation when they come forward and express themselves -- or express dissent in some kind of way. it's important, too, to recognize that officers are often brought into spaces to respond to crises that they are ill equipped to manage and safety, as i often say, is co-constructive and should not be seen as something that needs to be implemented by police, especially with young people. black girls in particular, organizers, scholar advocates and others who have been studying this issue agree that police should be replaced in many of these cases by those who can actually facilitate safety of children and adolescents in schools and community, counselors, clinicians and other youth development workers so that we recognize ultimately that safety does not require a police escort and we have to really stop conflating accountability with punishment. >> i keep going back to what you said about the disposability, about black girls being treated as though they are disposable and it strikes me that amanda gorman when the world stopped and watched as she gave that incredible reading about inauguration has also talked about that, even in the con tekt of a girl of color who is incredibly special, she said we're treated as lightning or gold in the pan, not treated as things that are going to last. she says i am not not the lightning that strikes once, i am the hurricane that comes every single year. >> we have to root out what rendered them vulnerable to the juvenile system that brings black harm. we have to be support of black girls' dignity, their power, their well being by resourcing a systemic transformation that is needed in order to ensure all black girls are protected and all other girls as well. >> what i think i hear you saying when you talk about fighting alongside them is that we also have to give them the space and the capacity to lead. >> absolutely. we have to recognize their agency, wegage them as human beings and recognize they're developing people. what's most striking in each of these cases and what it calls up for me is really the absence of our capacity to fully embrace the growth capacity of black girls. when we use terms like dehuman saying or adultification, it's easy to see this as an academic exercise. but these are real children and if we see them as real children and engage them as developing adolescents, we're less likely to cause harm. >> dr. monique harris, as always, i appreciate your clarity. thank you. >> up next, our national security analyst frank figliuzzi is here. later, are we turning a corner in the fight of covid-19? 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"the new york times" writes none of this data should ever have been collected. with me now, frank figliuzzi, msnbc national security analyst. frank, i want your sense of how law enforcement could be using the data i just talked about. >> well, it's widely available. this is a national discussion that needs to happen. so to walk you through, basically your cell phone when turned on is pinging off of a power nearby. it shows anybody who can access it that you were in that vicinity and it can be very, very precise, the difference between getting you inside the capitol and just outside the capitol. what it does, though, is it does not identify you by name or your phone number, rather it's your unique cell phone identifier. then law enforcement can come in and say, okay, we see that same unique cell phone identifier at that location and that house and that employment place. that's how they start putting a name to an identifier. that's how they are identifying some of these people. but let me tell you this, aleash -- alycia, they're doing with this commercially identifiable -- your shopping mall, your gas station, all of the engagement you do with shopping and other networks, they've got it and they're using it every time you stop somewhere and get a message that says cup of coffee, 99 cents, they know you're there and are marketing your cup of coffee to you. >> well, i don't go anywhere other than my house these days. they know i'm staying there in this moment. i want to ask you about a federal judge yesterday granting a request for a texas woman charged in the riot to be allowed to go to mexico for a work retreat. she is free on personal recognizance. she said on facebook, hell, yes, i am proud of my actions. that story has understandably gotten a lot of traction online, people saying, rightfully o, it reminds us there are two justice systems in america. what do you make of the judge granting that request and that facebook victory lap? >> here's what it reminds me of and it should remind all of us that we still don't have a domestic terrorism law. if we had one, then a judge would be saying to a woman who has committed it, hey, go to mexico, have fun, get back to me later. he's not going to do it if she's charged with domestic terrorism. when we see people charged with assault, trespass, theft of a speaker of the house podium, this is what happens. you get to go on a retreat to mexico. let's get a domestic terrorism law in place that reflects the gravity of the crime committed. >> "how to stop russia from recruiting the next trump." there are allegations from a former russia spy that trump becoming president was 40 years in the making. how can this be prevented? >> i certainly don't take just the word of a former k.g.b. major. we should keep that guy at arm's length but we should start matching his stories with other stories and other evidence and what i know about counterintelligence and the russians is they are in for the long haul, as are the chinese. they will identify young, talented or wealthy business people who might move up the ranks someday. the story here is that alleged allegedly they put trump on the radar when he first visited russia 40 years ago. how do we prevent this happening again? 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>> reconstruction was a period of hope. lot of progress took place. i think that shaped her a great deal thinking about the possibilities she had in life. >> well known as revolutionary. many people think of her as journalist, she was so much more. why was it also important to you beyond what you've talked about to highlight the other roles she fulfilled as mother, wife, sister? >> well, i wanted people to see her as a fully developed woman. the way that i saw her. i always thought out what made her actually human versus this extraordinary person that was intimidating. >> yeah. i think there are a lot of people to whom that applies, and very often happens in the inverse in the way we see the old women in our lives. some of us think of them as our wives, our mothers, our daughters and sisters and don't see them in full context in which they exist. >> right. i wanted people to see the multidimensional aspect of my great-grandmother and hopefully be inspired and see some of themselves in her. >> what do you think she would have made of the events of the past year? >> i actually wrote about that. i think she would honestly not be a little surprised because she grew up in a time of domestic terrorism against the black community, which is what she fought for in her writing. to me this is an extension of what she was experiencing. >> there are always people looking for words of wisdom. i wonder what you think your great-grandmother would have passed on to rising generation of activists. >> i think my great-grandmother would just tell people to be true to themselves, believe that their voice can make a difference, and just keep moving forward no matter what. >> michelle, so often when we look back at people in our own lives, especially someone like you trying to write about your great-grandmother, were there things you learned about her, the woman she was, the work that she did, that in some ways helped you understand yourself and your work even better? >> she was very at any point person, strong-willed with strong opinions. to me some of her independence has run through our family. we've always been encouraged to believe in ourselves and believe we deserve the best this country has to offer. >> as a public historian, even bigger picture, what do you see as the importance of centering black women in our historical narrative? >> i think it's extremely important to center black women because we've been here for 400 years and we've contributed a great deal to this country and we need to recognize for what we've done in this country. >> michelle duster, thank you so much for your time tonight. that is it for me, alicia menendez. going to see you tomorrow 6:00 p.m. eastern for more "american voices," but now to my colleague joshua johnson. >> thank you very much. good to be with you tonight. covid relief is one step closer to becoming law. this week congress passed a budget resolution that paves way for simple majority vote to pass the relief package. it's not end of the story but end of the beginning. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson, welcome to "this week." fine-tuning the relief package is one of president biden's tougher policy decisions. another seems to be simpler for him. former presidents traditionally receive intelligence briefings but that privilege will not be extended to donald trump. what president biden told cbs news. >> should former president trump still receive intelligence briefings? >> i think not. >> why not? >> because of his erratic behavior, unrelated to insurrection. i think there's no need for him to have the intelligence briefing. what value is giving him intelligence briefing? what impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say soth

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