donald collins helped the passengers. >> john: as he was helping them get to safety, police say collins was hit by an suv that was driven by an illegal immigrant who was suspected of driving drunk. he eventually died at a nearby hospital. garrett tenny has the details in this horrifying story and garrett, what more do we know about the suspect? >> john, her name is irma, 33 years old, and according to ice, in the country illegally. dallas county sheriff's says martinez was drunk early saturday morning when she crashed into the minivan and into donald collins killing him. martinez is held on an immigration detainer after being charge the with manslaughter and assault with a vehicle. the family of donald collins or trey as they call him have shown remarkable faith and compassion, even towards the woman who took his life. >> i pray that since she still has breath in her body that she gets to know the lord because i don't want her to go to hell. i forgive her. i'm not angry with her, i'm not. i'm not upset with her. she was not in her right mind. >> trey served in the marines for five years and on his way home from work as a security guard when he pulled over to help a mother and daughter after their car was hit and sacrificed himself, using his body as a human shield to protect them when martinez crashed into their van. this picture shows what the 25-year-old veteran leaves behind. young wife elizabeth and 2-year-old daughter nola. elizabeth says their life mission was to save souls and she has never been more proud of her husband for doing just that. >> that family is thankful that he did what he did. there is a mother and child walking on this earth because my husband was selfless. he did what the lord would go. god died on a cross for our sins and he stepped in front of that car to take care of theirs. >> gofundme for his wife and daughter has raised more than $35,000. john. >> john: elizabeth has a big heart, there's no question about that. garrett, thank you. jacqui. >> new fox polls show a partisan split when it comes to the criminal cases against former president trump. more than half the respondents think he did something illegal but more than half also believe the probes are politically motivated. >> our next guest argues the most recent indictment in georgia is less about crime and punishment and more about "political lawfare." let's take a look at a new fox news poll. did president trump do something illegal in regard to the 2020 election. 53% said yes, 20% said something wrong, not illegal, nothing seriously wrong, 24%. the two bottom numbers, fairly close to the 53% and that splits along party lines as well. is the doj treatment of donald trump motivated bipartisan politics, 51% say yes. it's down a little bit from before, june of 2023. but the majority of people still think this is a political prosecution as much as it is a legal one. >> yeah, i think you can have both of those thoughts in your head at the same time. look at the four indictments and saying he did something wrong, something worth looking into but you can also look at that and saying he's being targeted, number one probable candidate for the gop against joe biden because when he was in office as president and leaving and afterwards the democratic party, a lot of their supporters and some folks said they were going to go after him, that he was going to end up in prison. >> john: some campaigned on him. >> and say i'm going to put this guy in prison. if that's your campaign message it's unseemly and risky here. you have partisan juries, partisan grand juries, the country is partisan in general. it's hard to get a fair shake nationally as prominent as the former president and this georgia indictment, prison five years, the kind of things you usually reserve for violent gang members. if this actually comes through, there is no pardon to step in there, not even a governor of georgia could pardon him and puts the country at a constitutional crisis. some very angry people and hard not to look political. >> what does it say about the state of where things are in the country if you have people simultaneously believing that yes, something happened that was illegal that deserves to be looked at, and also believing that it was politically motivated. those are sort of conflicting feelings. >> except for where they come together is in the doubts the american people seem to have and all of our systems, all of our politicians, you have songs like the rich man north of richmond, there is anger and polled the average american and said are politicians corrupt, do they enrich themselves they are going to say yes. but the end of the day, one president and his family getting off and the doj blocking investigations and another one getting raided by the fbi with no real evidence put forward and multiple impeachment trials they lose faith even when somebody could be bad, that the system is actually working for justice and trying to restore faith and democracy. >> john: we asked about hunter biden to that point and interesting to see how sentiment is changing on that front. asked when it comes to his foreign business dealings, hunter biden did something illegal, now fully 50% say he did, up from 44%. take a look at the next graphic, breaks down pretty much along party lines. even 10% more democrats now think he did something wrong and then when asked if joe biden did something illegal, 38% of people now say they believe that he did something illegal, up from 36%. so, you know this could touch joe biden as well going forward, not just donald trump. >> i think so, and it's continuing to march. it's curious to see the white house defense over the years of hunter biden. never been concerted hey, he's a yale law graduate who brought skills to the table, they never tried that defense. they said he was high or struggling with things at home or struggling with alcohol. they never said it is a worthwhile business venture. my wife sarah in the examiner said if it was because hunter biden was a screw-up, why did james biden and others in the biden family make millions from the overseas investments. comer and other members are dripping out more and more evidence, whistleblowers coming forward and a lot of smoke. they keep saying there is no fire, but that smoke screen is falling down, too. >> jacqui: the white house would disagree with you and saying it's a fishing expedition and until there is prove joe biden is connected and people are not going to pay attention to it because joe biden is running for president, not hunter biden. that's what the white house says. what do you say to that? >> i hear that defense and of course they call it a fishing expedition but it's an investigation and one seems there is evidence according to whistleblowers the doj even blocked some of those investigations. they can't say the facts have not been looked into if they are blocking that. but the question is not anymore hunter biden made the money, we know he did, he may be in trouble for that. the question is who was he making that money for, he claims joe biden was in the room, we have text messages between him and his daughter saying he had to give money to joe biden, and holding aside a few million dollars for the big guy. there is actual circumstantial evidence that the now president himself really got wealthy here. there was an email out a few months ago talking about how he shared an office or had a key to a georgetown office with an executive of a chinese energy conglomerate considered a foreign agent by the u.s. government. those sorts of things were maybe a politician could have gotten away with if he did not intend to run for president again, like in 2017, but now it's back in the spotlight. >> john: sarah is a great journalist. can't get used to calling her bedford, though. chris, great to see you. political outsider is making waves. vivek ramaswamy will be here to explain his rise and tell us how he can 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(chainsaw revs) (tree crashes) (chainsaw continues) (daughter screams) let's pretend for a second that you didn't let down your entire family. what would that reality look like? well i guess i would've gotten us xfinity... and we'd have a better view. do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. >> jacqui: some philadelphia businesses are forced to take matters into their own hands as open air drug markets overrun their neighborhoods. frank rodriguez, a recovering addict now a local activist says businesses in the kensington neighborhood are creative to keep users away from their store fronts. >> businesses set up sprinkler systems to be inside and hit a button and the system goes off. set up crazy little hacks and booby traps to keep people off their stoops. >> jacqui: rodriguez adds some vendors are also refusing to deliver goods to that neighborhood out of fear for their safety. >> john: extreme measures, i guess. major retailers are suffering millions of dollars in losses all thanks to rampant theft. and according to a major superstar ceo, the crime wave has put his employees in danger. fox business grady trimble joins us with more. it's getting bad out there. >> target ceo talked about the dangers for employees and said on the target earnings call theft is up 120% in the first five months of the year. in may he said the company is expecting to take a half a billion dollars hit this year alone because of shoplifting and organized retail crime. walmart, which reported earnings this morning, also says theft is up but not to the same degree as target. its ceo says some cities need to do more to combat theft. in los angeles you have probably seen this video of a mob of about 30 people ransacking a nordstrom there, taking off with more than $300,000 worth of clothes, shoes and other items. we talked about the danger to employees in this case. police say the crooks used bear spray on a security guard. today l.a.'s mayor, law enforcement officials and the district attorney's office announced they are creating a task force of investigators working around the clock to tackle organized retail crime. >> literally people are talking about packing up and leaving. we don't want you to leave. this is one of the greatest places on this earth. we don't want people to lose their jobs because shops are closing up because of these types of crimes. that's how serious we are all taking this. >> and here in the nation's capital, a giant supermarket is on the brink of closing after losing half a million dollars in product because of theft and that's just at one store. the supermarket tells us we have invested in a host of measures to mitigate the issue at this store and across many stores but we also need the help and partnership from the community and local officials to truly combat the theft and violence that continues to escalate. we talked a lot about the big chain stores. of course they are getting hit but so are small businesses, too. one restaurant owner in d.c. says they have been hit five times by robbers just this year. >> john: you use the word mob to describe what happened at the store. >> only word i could think of. >> john: and brandon johnson says be careful to call it a mob, they are just kids, not al capone. >> gang, mob, that's it. >> john: a bunch of people robbing the store blind, that's for sure. grady, great to see you in d.c. >> jacqui: john, millions of american kids are bracing for a challenging start to the new year. adhd medication is running low for nearly a year now and those shortages are getting worse as three more prescription brands were hit by supply crunches last month. dr. marc siegel, professor of nyu langone medical center and fox news contributor. my biggest question, what is causing this shortage? i know it was initially announced last year, you would think that something would have happened between then and now to remedy this and seems to be getting worse. what's the cause? >> absolutely, jacqui. good afternoon. first of all, the companies most involved are not hitting target, they are not coming up with as much as they say they will. and the increase of demand is up about 50% over the past decade. we are seeing more and more and more of this. and you might think well, it's overdiagnosed, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, but according to cdc, it is not overdiagnosed in minorities and certain groups. it might be overdiagnosed in some, but overall it's not. now, what is it? it's the inability to focus, having being aggressive, increased frustration, short attention span. i've seen a lot of this. and what's really key, jacqui, 50% of the time there are other behavioral issues involved. so if you are not treating the adhd you are going to see more and more anxiety or other issues. another key point is it's not only treatable by medication. 60% of the time it's treatable by medication but 50% you need some kind of therapy involved, and we have a huge shortage of mental health professionals in the united states, especially coming out of the pandemic. >> jacqui: i want to ask you about the impact on, this is having on kids. but really quick one of your other points about the shortage and may not know the answer to the question, but i follow this a little bit and amazed at how much of our pharmaceuticals are manufactured in china. and how that could impact our supply chains here. are the manufacturers that we are talking about, are they based overseas or are they here in the u.s., do you know? >> there are two big ones we have to know about. tevo in israel, and another in japan. both are off loading a lot of production and they are relying on active pharmaceutical ingredients from china, so that's the problem. and they are generics and a very narrow profit margin so as soon as they find they can't make the rubber meet the road they back off and don't produce and he's the key issue and the wall street journal is all over that. 90% of the medicines short are from generics. adderall and vivance, generics. fda is pushing them to catch up, they are not catching up. >> jacqui: it's a concerning thing, when you think about how many people again on medications for so many health conditions and how much is controlled effectively by china, it becomes in a way a national security concern. let's talk about how this is affecting the kids. what can parents do when you have a child who needs to take this drug, they can't get their hands on it. what is this going to do to their ability to go to school and is there anything that a parent can do to help? >> great question. and by the way, you are absolutely right. it traces to china. but the school, we have a problem with attention span with kids who stayed at home, learned remotely and now trying to get them back in the classroom. parents have to introduce more therapy. i mean, you know. cdc and fda are saying digital techniques but no substitution for medication if it's working and so what parents are doing is they are getting on the phone and calling pharmacy after pharmacy trying to figure it out. what else i would encourage parents to do. if the child needs this medication, talk to your pediatrician about alternatives. i mentioned several of them, there is another several i didn't mention. it's not like has to be adderall, might be one of the others works just as well. again, therapy is key. but if they need the medication they need the medication. >> jacqui: all good information people can use. thank you for spending time with us. appreciate you coming on. >> great to be with you, jacqui. thank you. >> john: breaking moments ago on fox news digital, the house judiciary committee has subpoenaed the justice department and the fbi and investigation into big tech censorship. fox digital has obtained the subpoenas that call on the two federal agencies to turn over documents to the committee by september 18th. the committee wants to know the degree to which the biden administration may have colluded with big tech to censor speech. >> jacqui: interesting case, because the whole -- when you look at all the ways the administration has used in the past, saying it's for national security concern or public health concern during the pandemic, but also going into election season and they have signalled that, you know, the white house and the biden campaign are going to heavily rely on digital to get their message out. you just wonder all the different ways it could have an impact in the future. >> john: and why texas and florida are trying to limit the ability of the social media companies to either censor themselves or act at the behest of the administration. >> jacqui: as the death toll on maui continues to rise, top emergency official is under scrutiny for not activating warning sirens as the wildfires spread. why he claims they wouldn't have made a difference. >> john: with less than a week to go until the gop debate here on fox, one candidate gaining ground in the latest polling. vivek ramaswamy here to talk about his campaign and his debate strategy coming up next. 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>> that executive was asked the question directly, do you regret not sounding the siren, he said i do not. the presumption there is that people assume the siren is only for tsunamis. it's not. according to fema, the last time hawaii had significant damage from a tsunami was 63 years ago, they happen once every 12 years, wildfires, storms, floods, volcanos, mudslides, according to fema are much more likely. >> performing a comprehensive review to find out what the safest science-based way is to protect people. there are a lot of different geographies across our country. some use sirens, some don't. >> so the survivors we talked to wish they had more warning. number one, the fire broke out in a residential area unlike others where people have sometimes hours to evacuate. secondly, this was midday. typically you have twice as many tourists in lahaina as locals, in the bars and the restaurants, shopping on front street. they had no idea of an escape route let alone where to find the rental car. and three, they referred the emergency text. not everybody on vacation keeps their phone on and give people a little credit. if you hear a siren, you are not going to run up hill into a billowing fire. for many, returning to lahaina yesterday was too emotional. >> i cannot -- i cannot cry, so i told my husband let me go. not today, i don't want to see again. i cannot do anything. we never see nothing. nothing at all. the only clothes that i have is my uniform and that's it, and my car. >> so this story is about people, hope and hardship. it's not about numbers. the one that sticks in my mind, 1300 unaccounted for, that has not changed since monday. it's thursday. those we talked to yesterday are getting a lot of support, they are saying they are coming together to stay positive. >> we are all together in this and just try to figure things out one day at a time. any positive coming our way, we'll take it. >> we are going through a lot. we still looking for family members but this is important, too. everyone need to be fed. >> the big challenge, jacqui, is getting people to submit the dna. not just hawaii, but they have visitors here out of state and country, a lot from japan, one reason that figure may remain so high. back to you. >> jacqui: unbelievable. if you want to help the victims, use the qr code on the screen, we'll hold it up a second, or visit redcross.org/fox forward to make a donation. also text hawaii to 90999 to make a $10 donation that way. >> john: back to democracy 24 now, six days away from the first republican debate in milwaukee, airing of course here on fox news and we count down the days, new polls show a political outsider gaining ground in the horse race. let's bring in that candidate. vivek ramaswamy is here with us. vivek, thank you for taking time away from your busy schedule. i know i made a personal request and i appreciate the fact you accommodated us. take a look at the new fox news polling, you are in a solid third place, more than doubling your support from back in june. you are now 11%, right behind ron desantis and when asked what your second choice for president would be after donald trump, 22% gop voters now say you, that is up from 0 percent five months ago. now, we have seen candidates surge in the past, howard dean comes to mind, what are you going to do to keep the mo going? >> look, thank you, john. and you are right, polling at 0.0 in march, i'm solidly in third, second in some polls in the debate next week. i'm focused on the truth, our vision what it means to be an american. the gop has been a party running from something. i'm in the race to start leading us to something. to our vision of what it even means to be an american today. that's a message that's bigger than me, bigger than one man and i think that's what people are responding to, john, also why i think this is not just a temporary surge. this is just the beginning of what's going to change in the race. >> the challenger to former president trump so far has been florida governor ron desantis, and he seems to be concerned that you might replace him in that pecking order and gotten in his head, according to a "new york times" report, headline says defend trump and hammer ramaswamy. desantis allies reveal debate strategy, and the super pac behind desantis lays out four must-dos for the governor, one is to take a sledgehammer to you. what's your reaction to that and how is it going to play out on the debate stage? >> well, look, i think the gop sometimes when you have professional politicians they use attacks on other candidates as a substitute for a message of their own. i'm in this race focused on the message of my own rather than attacking those other candidates. the truth is i'm an outsider, i'm not a professional politician. i think we have a choice between puppets propped up with prepped lines and millions of dollars to go along with it. in my case i'm an outsider. i think of myself as a patriot who speaks the truth. and do you want incremental reform. a lot of the establishment politicians can offer incremental reform of the state, or declaring dependence from our enemies on the global stage, incremental reform or do you want revolution. and i stand on the side of the american revolution, those values that set this nation into motion 250 years ago, i think it's threatening but the reality is i'm not focused on them, about you what we actually stand for and that's how we are going to win this election in a landslide. >> john: you had a viral moment earlier this week at the iowa state fair when you were approached by a person who described themselves as pansexual. asks for your views on same-sex marriage. it was a moment that could have gone wrong in so many different ways but play this out, this was a moment i think that really kind of propelled you forward this week. >> i don't have a negative view of same-sex couples. i do have a negative view of the tyranny of the minority. so i think in the name of protecting against a tyranny of the majority, and times we have had the tyranny of majority, we have in the name of the majority created a new tyranny of the minority and i don't think it's wrong. i don't think somebody who is religious should be forced to officiate a wedding they don't agree with, or compete against a biological man in a swim competition. i don't think somebody who is a woman that respects her body should be forced to change clothes in a locker room with a man. we can be civil and have this conversation and we live in a country that still gives us each of us the right to speak to a presidential candidate back and still say that we pledge allegiance to the same nation. i think that's the beauty of the country. >> thank you very much. appreciate that. >> thank you for your civility as well. >> handshake and you both walked away satisfied. you don't see that too much in american politics, there is an inherent hostility of people with differing opinions. i imagine the two of you are never going to see eye-to-eye but the respectful nature of that really was extraordinary. watch. >> thank you, john. appreciate that. one of the standards i think we should apply to the next president of the united states, whoever it is, the standard i want the people of this country to hold me to if they elect me to that office, is that we should be able to look our kids in the eye, i'm a father of two sons myself, i want to look them in the eye and say i want you to grow up and be like him. whoever that is in the white house. and so yes, we can disagree as americans but what unites us is we have the free right to engage in civil, open discourse. and what i'll say, i'm not running to lead a political party. that would not be worth it. i am running to lead a nation and i believe we have perhaps our last best opportunity to reunite this nation. that's what i care about above all else, i'm going to do it by reviving those ideals that set our country into motion 250 years ago. our diversity is not our strength. our strength, john is what unites us across our diversity. e pluirbus umun. >> you said you are not doing much prep for the debate but desantis pac has a dossier on you, giving him plenty of opposition research that they are trying to guide him to bring up for the debate. are you really not preparing for this debate at all? >> the truth is in the seven days leading up to the debate i'm in eight states, i'm talking to you from california now, i was in illinois, new hampshire, migrant, new hampshire and south carolina between the period of the debate. it's not that i'm not preparing for debate. the way i'm preparing is talking to voters. i think that's what matters more than getting prepped memos from attack lines against my opponents, no, that's not how i want to do it. i want to do it by talking to voters, having honest conversations right and left included, i think that prepares me, not just for the debate but more importantly to lead this nation as i expect to do. >> john: we look forward to your appearance next wednesday the 23rd in milwaukee. see you soon. reminder, just six days from today the top republican candidates will face off in milwaukee in the first gop primary debate on fox news, moderated by bret baier and martha maccallum. it's going to be fascinating. >> jacqui: and president biden is standing by the inflation reduction act even though experts and his own staff say the law did not bring down inflation very much. larry kudlow fired up to talk about that. he's on deck. for your family? 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>> hi, jacqui. we have seen at least five bus loads arrive to the site behind me today. you know, as this migrant crisis continues, now new york governor hochul's attorney is saying new york city has made a series of missteps when it comes to handling this and the missteps were detailed in state filed court documents which came in response to new york city's request for more help. accuses them to reject more than a dozen sites to house migrants and acting too slow for shelter space and work permits. and says the city needs to manage the $1.5 billion in state funds it's been given. this morning, mayor adams said some of the state suggestions are just not suitable for the long run and the city should not bear the burden of the entire crisis. >> this is a national and statewide issue that has been unjustly dropped into the lap of new york city residents. we only make up .05 of the land mass in new york state .05. yet we are housing over 99% of the migrants. >> right now a state funded tin shelter is under construction on soccer fields used by children and adult sports leagues on randall's island and a state funded shelter opened here in the parking lot of the psychiatric center. it will house up to 1,000 migrant men. hundreds protested the location last night and at least 13 were arrested, including curtis slewa. the city says it spent nearly $2 billion this fiscal year and $12 billion over the next three fiscal years if things don't change. jacqui, despite the finger pointing, both city and state leaders say they will continue to work together on this as they look to the white house for more support. jacqui. >> jacqui: something to watch this play out, especially keeping in mind all the border communities have been dealing with this kind of thing for a long time now. c.b. cotton, thank you. >> john: the state of texas suing planned parenthood seeking millions in damages. could the legal battle wind up putting the organization out of business? 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"the story" starts now. >> martha: all right. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum. thanks for joining us. we're six days away from the first presidential debate here on fox. bret baier and i will be co-moderating that debate. we have interesting new fox news polls to chew over as we head in to this. look at this. all of the top contenders are within striking distance of president joe biden. he beats trump three points. you can see joe biden on the right.