unindicted co conspirators. what you're watching on your screen is the cover of that page of the indictment if we can put that up on the screen that would be great here. now, with more we go back to law professor and fox news contributor jonathan turley. jonathan i'm looking at that. if you look at the document that made it to the media talking about 10 specific indictments, how do you read it? using your background as the great law professor, you are. ah well, when you're talking about 10 of diamonds, it has that classic profile of racketeering case that's where willis really gained her fame as a local prosecutor, you often will have large numbers of people linked in a conspiracy to make out that case, you have to establish a pattern. just a relatively few crimes are may predicate crime list. that is a list of crimes that are the basis for racketeering. i charges in this case they are likely to use crimes like fraud and combine all of these actors in a large sort of comprehensive conspiracy. that's the most likely thing here. the problem is not that you know record. the rico statutes were designed for the mob, but they haven't used far beyond the mob. the problem is how they're being used. in this context. this is an election challenge in a state that we had a razor thin margin. roughly 11,000 votes is really nothing in a state of this size. and so during those days following the presidential election, the trump campaign was alleging they are the machines were manipulated that there are all types of wrongdoing. they lost those those claims, but the question is, is it a crime to raise them? is it a crime even if these allegations were untrue to make them do a state legislature or do accord or to the public at large? which the concern is that you can create a chilling effect. keep in mind that after this election, democratic lawyers like marc elias broad challenges alleging that machines in new york flipped votes that there was machine problems there that changed the outcome essentially i know. one said that that was a crime and it wasn't a crime. these are challenges that occur in close elections. the question is, do they have anything more here? can they show they are these were knowingly false claims, and they had officials were told to violate their oaths. but it's got to be more than telling them that. i believe there's voter fraud. i want a recount, and so we have to see what the indictment alleges specifically to base this this conspiracy on it certainly is. i mean from from a legal standpoint, this this is rather unique and maybe , and in many ways historically unprecedented, as ted cruz said. but you're right when they were talking about historically how rico racketeering charges have come out. they've been used against the mob. then you have the special counsel even in reaching back into laws designed to go after the ku klux klan and one has to look at this particular case and wonder, okay, um, i've read the transcript. you've read the transcript, professor. i read it multiple times and donald trump. it is a long transcript that phone call that went on for a long time. there's a lot of lawyers on that phone too. and i didn't hear one lawyer. speak up at any moment and say excuse me, mr president. this might be inappropriate to discuss this in this particular way in this particular forum, or i feel a form of pressure that you're putting on me. that didn't happen either. didn't happen any anytime shortly thereafter, so the question is you know, as you look at the very deep, almost unprecedented way that they're trying to approach going after donald trump when somebody talks about a real belief in their heart that he believes he won by 400,000 votes that was on that phone call transcript and another 8000 votes here and another, you know, 17,000 votes here and then it's what 11,780 i believe was. that's all i need. that's hardly an indictment of the president saying, will you get me 11,780 ? i really think i won 400,000 more than your county. i think that is an overall or overarching argument. he's making know. how did you interpret it? well no, i did interpret the call as suggesting that i don't need many votes in a recount the change the outcome. it was a natural argument to make. this was essentially like a settlement call, and state officials were pushing back. i think a good faith saying, look , we looked at it. we don't see those votes and trump was basically responded. if you do a state recount. i don't need many votes. you just need to find 11,000. and this entire election turns over now we can all debate what was in donald trump's mind. but is that really the basis of a criminal case? is that what you want? for future cases, elections have been challenged in this country and virtually every election. i've covered elections for various networks . probably the last 10 or so elections or are always seems that many and every single one we, we would chart and track the challenges coming from the losing party. we never accused them of committing a crime about it. so the question here is what do you have to distinguish this case? there won't create that chilling effect. there's a problem here. by the way. i wanted to flag sean. the greatest danger about a rico case is it tends to be harder to go up on appeal before trial. the reason is that the rico statute is written in a way they are. it's easy to establish these predicates in this pattern. and it's a factual matter. and so it's hard enough to get a court of appeals to rule before a trial and these threshold issues. it's particularly hard in a rico case, so this is going to be a problem for donald trump, not just in georgia in the dc case, the judge there could also make it difficult for trump to take what i think are very strong. constitutional challenges to the court of appeals in supreme court, so we don't know if higher courts will get an opportunity to throw a flag on this play. yeah amazing. professor stay with us. we are still awaiting we now, as we told you earlier, 10 indictments handed down by the fulton county grand jury that worked late into the night tonight, signed by the judge filed by the clerk and the clerk, telling the media that he expects it would have been over an hour ago. the longest period of time that you can expect it to be unsealed in three hours, so it could very well be any moment. now we do have, uh, trump campaign spokesman. the president will talking about this and president trump will fight these bogus indictments. and talking about how the d a in fulton county, willis has strategically stalled their investigation to try and you know, maximally interfere with the 2024 presidential race damage the dominant trump campaign. all of these corrupt democratic attempts will fail intentionally slow walk the investigations. that they could have brought this 2.5 years ago. that's an argument. president trump has made a number of times before yet they chose to do this for election interference reasons in the middle of president trump's successful campaign. um and that is leading other republicans by a lot and is leading joe biden in almost every poll. president trump represents the greatest threat to these democrats. political futures and quote parentheses. the greatest hope for america. the legal double standard set against president trump must end. then he talks about the crooked biden cartel. no rules for democrats. republicans face charges for exercising first amendment rights alright, we bring back our legal panel. gregg jarrett, former acting ag , matt whitaker, harvard law professor alan dershowitz. i promised you all that i wanted to give you an opportunity to respond to what we had heard earlier today when the fulton county courthouse website had put up a list of charges, among them rico racketeering, conspiracy, etcetera, etcetera , um, professor dershowitz, let's start with you and let you respond. why did they go with that? well first of all, that we should take it all seriously. the fact that it was a grand jury indictment, it means nothing. it's the prosecutor who indicted the best evidence of that is that who's on his website before the grand jury even voted now the whole strategy of all these four cases is to get a conviction before the election , even if they're going to lose on appeal. i used to teach my students, many of them future prosecutors. if you bring a rico case that increases your chances of winning a trial and losing on appeal, the same thing is true with conspiracy and other cases involving mental states. and so all four of these cases are designed to get quick, quick convictions in jurisdictions that are heavily loaded against donald trump. and these prosecutors don't care as much as prosecutors generally do about having the convictions reversed on appeal, because that will happen after the election, which only goes to prove what i've been arguing now for four months if you going after the man who's running against your incumbent president, you would darn well better have the strongest case possible, and these are among the four least three of them. three weakest cases i've ever seen against any candidate. we don't know about the fourth, but it seems like it's very much like the d c case. and if you going after the man running for president against your person, you have to have the strongest case. otherwise it becomes a banana republic. anybody can prosecute anybody and we're opening the door to prosecution of democrats by republicans. republicans by democrats is what alexander hamilton's wrote in the federalist is the most dangerous threat. democracy and we're seeing it unfold in front of our eyes. very very tragically. i'm not a republican. i'm not a trump supporter, but i care deeply about the constitution. i care deeply about preserving the rule of law, and we're seeing it being frittered away for partisan political purposes. let me get your reaction. gregg jarrett. you know, exercising your legal right, sean to challenge the integrity of voting systems is not criminal . it's not a crime to complain , which is what the trump telephone call with the secretary of state in georgia was all about. he was complaining about ballot irregularities. violations of election was a failure of the court to address his petition. it's not defrauding the government if you believe you're acting lawfully, and this idea of bringing racketeering charge seems far fetched. i mean racketeering. as the professor turley pointed out, requires proof of an organized criminal enterprise, coupled with a repeated pattern of systematic illegal behavior normally involves things like extortion from monetary profit control of property on a recurring basis that doesn't fit here, does it? i mean, this was a singular alleged episode of a brief duration where trump and his council were asking for a reconsideration of votes cast . at worst. this kind of a rico case is simply guilt by association. but i agree with professor dershowitz. the prosecutor in this case doesn't care. she wants a guilty verdict to sideline donald trump and interfere in the upcoming presidential election , which is in my judgment the definition of a corrupt act. all right. let me get matt whitaker's take the same topic , matt. um because i think this is very, very crucial here. in other words, the fact that we're talking about things that i don't think most americans know a whole lot of and that's you know, why is this a rico case? why is this a racketeering case? why did they post this earlier on the website? um what was in your mind? and having been and a g? what do you think? what is the thinking behind this? yeah two primary thought. first of all. what greg just said is important, but this is also being done to catapult the prosecutors. political career. don't forget that. and then second, you know, for 5.5 years i was a u. s attorney. i signed indictments personally, whatever the grand jury returned true bills, you know, i made sure i signed those present mints. to the grand jury and those indictments, and that being said, i can tell you rico cases are by far the hardest cases. you you want to bring them and we tried to especially go after mexican drug cartels is a real problem here in des moines, iowa, as you can imagine, especially with the meth and fentanyl and so you know, i would look at those cases and work with the u. s a. is on those on trying to make rico cases but to the earlier panelist pointed that jonathan turley point those cases are tough because there's predicate offenses. you have to show a pattern and you have to show the organization these i mean, these are criminal groups, and i just don't think this case rises to that level. i think this is a very aggressive application of that . and really, it's a pattern that you know i mentioned earlier when we were talking. it's just it sees these prosecutors that are are solely trying to get out and get trump and try to hang in there not only indictment but you know, they hope a conviction and it's just that most of these cases just don't have the legal structure and the legal precedent to support them. and they're going to collapse. you know, after they get past these juries that are slanted against president trump. all right, guys stand by er again. we were still waiting for as we were. we need to leave said we have reports now 10 indictments handed down by the fulton county grand jury working late into the night tonight, signed by the judge now being filed by the clerk. the clerk has said over an hour ago that the maximum time which would be a few hours, so we are expecting all of that information tonight. we turn now to somebody that would that knows firsthand what it's like to be on the wrong side of what we often talk about on this program and what the house judiciary committee is investigating whether or not job biden's department of justice has been politicized and weaponized. whether or not the fbi has been politicized and weaponized, not the rank and file but the upper echelon. and that is former trump campaign manager paul manafort . my recollection is paul. your home was raided predawn raid guns drawn and the only thing that you didn't have the your your friend roger stone had is . you didn't have fake news. cnn cameras tipped off that you were going to get rated and then you spent two years in jail and one of those years you spent in in isolation. um and you know, thankfully, you got the pardon from president trump . but i ask you this do you especially when we compare and contrast the biden family. the sweetheart deal for hunter. the fact that the media won't talk about joe the fact that you know the fix seems to be in with the appointment of david weiss, who was willing to give the sweetheart deal the hunter. do you see equal justice and equal application of our laws in this country? and if not, why not? no not at all. i mean this watching the hunter biden thing and watching what's going on fold fulton county tonight is bringing back to me the experiences that i went through, which is, you know, having a prosecutor who in bob mueller, who understood from the day he was appointed that there was no russian collusion because we now know thanks to john duck, john durham that that obama knew brennan briefed him. he briefed the fbi. he beefed members of the administration that it was a campaign trick by dirty by hillary clinton. so by the time in may of 2017 miller took office, he knew there was no russian collusion. so what did he do? because he was the goal was not to get me was to get donald trump. he had the kind something to get into foreign policy. so he went after me on unfair violations and just created out of whole cloth, a case that in fact, very unit at department of justice had cleared me on and it worked in arrangement with me on. there were no criminal penalties, no civil penalties. ah no, no guilt at all. and in mueller's team got that thrown out so they couldn't come after me to try and pressure me to get donald trump. and to say things about donald trump that weren't true. well i'm watching now, what's going on with hunter? biden and his laptop alone has emails and meetings that create a fair case in about 15 minutes . they had nothing on me. they had no meetings they had no, no. no activities of my capitol hill. no emails, but they but they had a motivation and just like you've seen it with in fulton county today, uh, you know, the motivation is part of a grand conspiracy to derail donald trump because he is an existential threat. to the left and what their goals are and listening to some of the panelists tonight, you know, you know the blue states where they're bringing these cases. i had a jury pool in in in what? washington d c. it's we're getting ready to go to church trial that i got the judge to agree to let me do a questionnaire, which, frankly, we created like we would have bowl. to ask pool of 200 jurors a series of questions that would allow us to analyze whether they could be fair or not to me and to the jury's credit. your potential jurors credit about 100 and 50 of them said no because they hated donald trump. and they hated me because of donald trump and of the other 50. i think there were two that might have legitimately been a jury. uh that's the washington d. c. were one of the cases been brought by jack smith. you're going to see the same thing in new york, where they've created a legal case that doesn't even it's not even trying to be based on state law but on federal law, and it's a state case, and all of these theories are meant to have one purpose to derail donald trump. and what they don't understand is that the fair minded americans on top of those who believe in trump are starting to see that this weaponization is a threat to their right. it's and parents at school board meetings. catholics at the at pro life conferences. they're starting to see the infiltration of what is the abuse of donald trump's constitutional rights, and i think as a result, that's why he's getting stronger, not weaker with these charges, but look, they're trying to keep him in courtrooms. probably this one, they'll start start trying to ask him november court date so that they could have november and january and march and may you know, and trying to have something um, happened that can expose it. well it's not fair. people see it and i trust the american people. i trust that we're going to find that even in fulton county, where they're relying on trump saying he tried to find me 11,700 votes. what was he supposed to ask for 6000 votes? of course, he was going to ask for the amount of votes that would win in the state. but you know that. but those are the kinds of flimsy foundations that these these wild and very, very creative but but unfounded legal theories are based on you know, uh, i have only can imagine considering fairer charges were brought up against you. you know, the foreign corruption act issues and i'm sure you're watching the enter the issue with hunter and the sweetheart deal. he has that i can only imagine, you know, thinking well, why did they bring these charges against me, and they're giving him a pass on everything. he got to get out of jail free card and was going to get a get out of jail free card forever. in perpetuity for any other crimes he may have committed, including being charged, ultimately, with farrah violations as you are, you know, but but let's go back to what you said in the durham report. you know, it was maybe 2.5 years too late, but it did say that operation crossfire hurricane never should have been open. there was not one single item in the steel dossier, not one that they could corroborate, not a single thing. we know that the fbi in early october of 2016 that they sent agents across the pond and those agents were were literally offering a million dollars to christopher steele. you know, for the purpose of saying can you corroborate any of your dossier? he couldn't collect a penny. i mean, you think about that, and then you tell me and you compare the justice system that put you in isolation for a year in jail for two years with a sense that was going to go on much longer than that. and you know, you told me that while you were in jail, you were told repeatedly it was insinuated on a regular basis. just tell us what we want to know. and you can pretty much walk out of here today. did that happen? they created theories they wanted me to agree to that were you know they were tricky the way they tried to do it, but the whole goal was to get me to create a case that showed that donald trump, you know, was colluding with russia knew about things in advance and was active and that's what durham's report was so important because it connected the dots and everybody in the obama administration and in the fbi and in mueller's team new at the start of the special practice, especially council's term that there there was no violations, but fair was used because and this is why hunter biden's lawyers were so concerned what they did against me is they took fairer and used it to create a conspiracy that allowed them to break all statues of limitations and go back 20 years to go after every dollar i had made not just in ukraine but in my life. and that's what hunter biden is worried about, because if you look at the laptop if they could appears the statute of limitations that have expired, you know they they will bring back all of the charges that the laptop basically has. the facts were convicting. and so it's a serious problem, and that's why every lowell smartly said. well, if we don't have immunity from everything that we don't have anything, we don't have a deal. and this appointment by david weiss, now special counsel. is a joke because they've asked the fox to go into the chicken house farce. yeah. it's a sham. i mean, there was. this is the guy that gave him the sweetheart deal to begin with after four years. this is the guy that the irs whistleblowers identified as contradicting sworn testimony of the a g end of david weiss himself now that obviously protects the attorney general, and that protects david white. it's because if he either one of them testified before congress were not allowed to comment on an ongoing investigation that will be their their predictable answer. i can promise you that, um well, paul. thank you. i hope people understand this is happening to a lot of people. and you know now, polls show the american people are getting it more than ever. and that is that we have a two tier justice system or dual system of justice. we appreciate it don't understand that john is this just makes donald trump stronger and it doesn't really read lesson is resolved at all . i don't think it's gonna lessen as resolved, i think he's made that abundantly clear . you know what impact it may have in terms of the process of the nomination for the republican party for president . what what impact they could potentially have i don't know. on independent voters. you've spent your entire life and politics in a general election . this is territory. we've never really been down before. the one phenomenon has been with each new charge against president trump. politically he's gotten stronger. will this trend continue? i got to imagine that it probably will, because at some point the american people going to say hold on a second. he gave this guy a sweetheart deal. joe biden lied to us repeatedly about his son, his foreign business partners ever meeting with them ever talking to them actively involved in conversations with them that he was the brand. it certainly wasn't hunter. i think there's a lot more to come on that front and i think a lot of people saying no, this doesn't look right. it doesn't smell right. paul manafort. thank you. all right, joining us now. with reaction. fox news contributor charlie hurt former trump senior adviser stephen miller. stephen let's get your obviously in touch with a lot of friends in the now the trump campaign and hearing from them tonight. what is their reaction to you? and what's your reaction personally? well, let me just say that everybody in trump world everybody who is a was a friend and associate a colleague of president trump's and his staff is just appalled and horrified by the not just the persecution relentlessly of president trump by anybody who's ever worked for him. anybody who's ever served with him. everybody has been associated with him. this is an all out effort to use our legal system to purge president trump and his staff out of the political system entirely. you just talked to paul manafort. he was a political prisoner. mike flynn was a political prisoner. roger stone was a political prisoner one after another after another. and now they want donald trump to be a political prisoner. and as mark levin said, they're adding up in diamonds that would lead to almost 1000 years in jail. north korea wouldn't even dream of something like this. my question tonight is that what point or elected republicans going to realize the gravity and the severity of this threat . the radical left just keeps pushing and pushing and pushing and all they find is soft jelly . if elected. republicans do not realize the magnitude of what is happening in the liberty that we have known in this country for almost three centuries will be gone. sean, i truly believe that you know our friend charlie hurt mark levin . our mutual friend has set off in that this is a post constitutional america. americans are now asking that question. the house judiciary has a full on investigation. we also have a sort of intertwining investigation in the house oversight committee. um rightly i believe americans are looking at this. looking at the sweetheart deal offered hunter looking at the lack of coverage about joe biden severe lies as a candidate and as a president. involving what are some of our biggest geopolitical foes and literally tens of millions of dollars, you know, finding their way into the biden family coffers, you know, then we have the shell corporations where the funnel and the money through then we find, according to james comer, nine biden family members are paid. nothing seems to happen. they tried to pull a fast one, but for the diligence of this delaware judge they would have gotten away with letting hunter and through hunter joe biden off the hook on all of this, but but thankfully in the gun diversion proportion of that plea agreement, judge read. excuse me. does this mean you are kind of completed all future investigations, and at that point, it fell apart. i believe there was a wink and nod between david weiss and his office that had by the way recommended felony charges that he didn't abide with. and of course, the defense. that's my theory. your thoughts. yeah. well you know, it's also obvious. i don't think you have to be a lawyer. or you know some political experts. you don't have to be watching it all that closely to realize the depth of the double standard and corruption that's going on here both in terms of what we're seeing with hunter, biden and president biden and the entire family, collecting millions of dollars from foreign adversaries in exchange for selling out american policy , foreign policy and probably other things as well, such as you know, mailing a billion dollars to ukraine. that's us tax dollars, mostly by the way , but then also in terms of what we're seeing tonight with with president trump, and this is not something new. this is, you know, it's been years since we first learned about the quote unquote insurance policy that fbi agents were going to use to prevent donald trump from getting elected in the first place. of course, you got elected anyway. and but even back then the entire apparatus legal apparatus at the direction of the democrat party and back then barack obama president obama was being directed to go after donald trump. and of course, he got elected and ever since then, they have never relented. either whether it was the obama administration or the ah, you know the administrative state at doj and then democrats in congress. they have never stopped trying to pervert the our our cherished judicial system to take take care of a political enemy. and, of course, and stephen makes a good point about republicans. you know, it's part of the problem for donald trump is that he's also taken on republicans, and he's overhauled the republican party and by doing that he had is drawn enemies. you know, in this case in georgia, you've got you've got political hacks down in georgia, testifying. with political motivation against donald trump in this case, openly admitting that they hate donald trump, and that's why they're testifying. this is this entire thing is a political hit job and they're going they will never stop unless we said we, the american people stop it for them. if they get away with this, what they're doing right now, this is the way politics will be carried out. erica for the rest of all time. all right, charlie hurt and stephen miller. thank you both for being with us. we're going out to atlanta, georgia or very own. matt finn. he is outside the fulton county courthouse. matt what can you tell us? i guess everybody liked us here are all waiting for this indictment to be unsealed. sean, we are waiting in a short while ago i talked to george chiti. he's an independent journalists who was subpoenaed in this case. he sat inside of the courthouse all day today and told me that he ultimately did not testify. in this case. i asked him if he felt like this case was speeded up today, and he felt like it was because initially he was asked to testify tomorrow. but then he was brought in today. he sat in the courthouse for many, many hours today and ultimately did not testify. he was here because he claims in part that back in december of 2020, he walked into a room where some of the trump electors will holding some type of meeting and he was kicked out of it. that's why he claims he was here today. but earlier today, as we have been reporting on this show, there was there were some documents that surfaced on the fulton county website that appeared to show the indictment laid out against donald trump up to 39 charges against him, including the racketeering and then those documents suddenly disappear. beard and later in the day, the fulton county clerk came out and told us that those were fictitious. however if you look at them closely, they look pretty authentic and legitimate. so it kind of makes you wonder if any of this process was sped up today as that person who was subpoenaed felt like it was because those documents surfaced on the fulton county website sean about an hour hour and a half ago, the clerk here in fulton county said that we can expect to learn what was inside of those indictments in a maximum of three hours or kind of maybe at the half. to a point. now our understanding is that the clerk has to manually type the indictment into the system here for it to become public. once that happens, we'll learn much more who is potentially named in the indictments here in fulton county shun all right. thank you. matt finn outside the fulton county courthouse tonight for us and joining us now legal spokesperson for president trump. alina harbor is back with us. let's go pick up where matt left off here. um, and that is the atlanta prosecutors inadvertently earlier today, revealing offenses to which they plan to charge president trump. um and then claiming it was fictitious . although matt riley pointed out, they did look authentic and, you know, facing a number of charges that we have spoke all throughout the night. rico anti racketeering laws conspiracy false statement asking public official to violate their oath of office. we're again we're waiting for poland county indictments to be unsealed, alina ah, you know, i'm sure you know we are at the halfway point from when they told us the maximum amount of time would be which means we can get at any moment. right we can get at any moment. but think about what he just said, right? he spoke to somebody inside and the timeline doesn't make sense. if the clerk needs to manually put in each count, then how did the kirk clerk have that? fictitious mistake earlier. i'm lost on that because the fictitious mistake laid out counts individually and that must have taken time. if you ask me, sean, what i think happened here today was that they had a lot of press as we saw sitting in the courtroom, laughing, thinking this was a joke. it's just a great press moment. having cameras in the background and they made a hiccup. they by accident, uploaded the clerk hit a button, and that's what i think happened and then and then they rushed. they had any witness that was supposed to be there tomorrow. as as we just heard weight in the courtroom to come in and testify today because of that error because she needed to get this done quickly. it's 10 30 at night. president trump did not murder someone. this is not o. j. simpson this is not a fully of a criminal who has done something crazy. easy and malicious to another person or team. but i mean, it's just ridiculous that we're even sitting here as if we're watching a police chase. and it's all by design. it's pathetic. you know, you brought up the durham report. we've seen that we've seen what happened there. you and i actually covered when i sued hillary and we had that thrown out and i was sanctioned for bringing charges that now we know have come out in the durham reporting are accurate. this is the world we're in fourth indictment of a president of the united states who had the country lead it in the leading economically had fear in china had real issues under control, and instead we have open borders, mayhem and they're doing what library books looking at accounting in new york and now having another indictment for him questioning the integrity of this country's elections. that is what we're doing to a president that served this country very well. i may add. it is so sad to me, it is just it's really sad to me. you know, and as we've been pointing out all along, it's never happened to former president never mind a leading contender in the upcoming presidential contest, leading by significant margins for the republican nomination. in other words, the leading candidate by far at the moment to take on the current president. and it's the current president's executive branch, his department of justice, part of the executive branch that is doing this, um let me ask you this. you now have four of assuming now four separate indictments with this being the fourth tonight, but that doesn't even include the superseding indictments down in florida. and i guess that could happen elsewhere. also. that i have to imagine. i know the president has a number of lawyers have you, i guess allocated the varying cases did just individual teams. how is that working out for the president? and how is that going to play out? yeah. the president is fortunate enough. he has had a tremendous amount of people coming to ask to be a part of the team and we do go through a process, obviously to vet and find the people that we find to be the right fit. we have attorneys in place on all of these, including georgia, course. um and whether you know we move things around or not, is to be seen depending on the charges, but i can tell you that um, we have a very strong team. i'm not concerned in terms of the actual defense of the cases and unfortunate to work with a lot of these great attorneys. they're they're really fantastic, and they're willing to fight for this country and the president. yeah, alina, i know you've been very patient tonight. we appreciate you standing by as legal spokesperson for the president and one of his attorneys. alina we appreciate your time tonight we bring back the host of special report prep bear brett in the context of how all of this now if, for example, the special counsel has his way. we know that washington d c case that would start on january 2nd now that if we look at the political timeline, and you look at the number of cases the president could be fighting in the middle of a primary and then maybe in the middle of a presidential election. it is just ground. this country has never gone through now the president keeps reminding people that his belief is this in and of itself . there's a mountain of lawsuits that sorry indictments at the throwing on him is in and of itself. interference in an election, you'll be covering a lot of this and nine days from now you're going to be hosting with martha the republican primary debate. we're not sure at this moment whether or not president trump will be at that debate. ah but certainly the other candidates will have when you look at the timeline in the magnitude of this and the and the historical precedent said here. what just give me your overall objective view of it. well, first of all , if the former president shows up or he doesn't show up, he's still going to be a part of the debate because this is a central part of the gop primary, and it's going to have to be questioned about how they feel about all of this unfolding. a lot of them have spoken out about it about as we talked about before two tiered system of justice. um, but how others on that stage will say that they believe they're better position to win the general election, as opposed to the former president. i think that you know, you look at the possibility of a trial january 2nd if august 28th. the judge comes back in the january 6th case and says, yes, i side with the prosecutors the government and say, january. 2nd is the trial date. that's 13 days before the iowa caucuses, you have a series of trials and legal precedent. legal positionings that you have to get to and then you have a documents case potentially in july, right before the republican national convention in milwaukee that same stage that will do the debate on next week that we have never seen anything like this. this is so elderly surreal, and yet it is what we're facing. and yet each indictment sean as you note. uh the former president's poll numbers have gone up. i want to say this caveat in that charges are very serious. you and i are not our first rodeo. we've been through a number of presidential campaigns and we've been through a number of them together. um you know to me this defies all conventional wisdom, doesn't it? the idea that an indictment leads to higher poll numbers within the party and more loyalty and a feeling that this is not about prosecution but persecution. and then, of course you bring in the hunter biden, joe biden factor and joe biden lying. we talked about earlier. it adds even another dimension to this, doesn't it? it does, and it's it creates sympathy actually in gop circles, even some folks who maybe didn't want to vote for trump say, why are they going after him so hard? maybe there's a reason for this, and they give a second look to him. and then the candidates on the stage will likely say, listen, i'm trump policies but without the chaos without the baggage so far, that hasn't taken off. if you look at the poll numbers, i did want to say this caveat in that these charges are serious. and yes, they do. add up to a crazy amount of years if he's charged and convicted of these crimes, but this particular one is different. this is a state charge so it cannot be pardoned by himself as president. he cannot pardon it. another president could not pardon him. the georgia governor does not have the right to pardon anyone of these crimes and he cannot get rid of the district attorney. so these charges in and of themselves are different , and they care with them a different complexity. not only that the sheriff there so far in fulton county says there will be a mug shot if and when this arrest happens. yeah alright. brett will be watching tomorrow on special report. i will be with you at the debate next week and look forward to, uh, interviewing all the candidates in the spin room. right after you, martha, get done with that debate. we look forward to appreciate it. all right. we'll bring in fox news contributor jason chaffetz, the host, tami lahren is fearless on out kick. tami lahren is with us, jason, we begin with you tonight. let's get your take overall on this and you've been following this and more importantly, you know, you've you've been at the tip of the iceberg in terms of, you know. in the case of trump russia collusion as an example and now you're with the government accountability institute. um in terms of that case, as doran pointed out, and even michael horowitz had a lot of criticism and a lot of referrals that were not followed up on. but the idea that operation crossfire hurricane never should have been brought against donald trump. and it was three years of never ending media lies and conspiracy theories that they peddled. and now dorm, saying it's never should have been brought up as a case. there wasn't one single thing in the dossier that became, according to andrew mccabe, without the dossier. no fisa warrant approved by advisor court the basis of 45 warrants, three of them signed by the fbi director. and now here we are again and it seems like this just is not stopped from the moment this man came down that escalator with his wife, melania. and my wrong and my perception here. no. i mean, the washington post ran an article that day he was being inaugurated that the indictment are that the impeachment was about to begin. and in this particular case, uh, sean, i'm looking at this and thinking has anybody talked to governor stacey abrams about this? you know, she lost to governor kemp , but she still has never admitted that he won. she challenged this every which way you could imagine told, told everybody that there was fraud and there was miss counselors. all kinds of not just excuses, but saying this, so how is that different than what? these charges that they're bringing up against donald trump? i'm offended that this happened in 2020. we're about to turn the corner on labor day, the kind of the unofficial start to the next campaign season. and conveniently, these happened 2.5 years after this. are you telling me that that's just a mere coincidence with the others that are that are happening here. i love that the clerk is doing this during pro prime time. are you kidding me ? that they walk past the judges billboard with his picture and his mug shot. you know his his fancy shot up there as they deliver the paperwork right in prime time. this is all made for television . that's what's disgusting about it. and you know what? fani willis a couple of days ago, the prosecutor. what did she do? she got a makeover. she put out a campaign fundraiser. he was totally scripted ahead of time. she knew exactly what she was doing saying, hey, we're gearing up for getting ready. make a donation. here's my new picture. this is what's going on. this is america, and i can't believe that comparison to its stacey abrams and what is going on here? it's just it's so wrong. well you can also look at new york kevin hee and you have a d a boat that ran on a platform that they're going after one man, one family and one organization. they ran on that platform and clearly or fulfilling a campaign. promise you know, tommy, you have a great influence with younger people, always demographically during election seasons. we look to younger people. to get their perception of things and you know, on your show fearless you, you know you're talking to and communicating with a lot of people that are younger. what are they saying about this? what's their perception of all this? well here's the big problem that we're facing. right now. you've got half the country that believes everything is rigged. that the country is going to hell. that everything is bs. they're probably right about that. and then you have the other half of the country. that doesn't really seem to care because they don't think it impacts their everyday life. and that is going to be the challenge here. this next indictment. if it comes down might get donald trump the nomination and i think it likely will, because every time he is indicted, his poll numbers go through the roof. but if he is indeed our nominee, he's going to face another set of challenges. and so is everybody who's campaigning for republicans, whether it's donald trump or anybody else with an r behind their name, they're going to have to compete in battle, not not just against the court, but the court of public opinion. that's the other half of this. the american people need to understand how this applies to their lives. not just donald trump, who some people see as a billionaire. some people see as a man that they hate the american people need to understand how this banana republic how these charges this weaponization is going to impact. then their daily life. they need to understand the implications of a government that has gone so big that it can come after anyone for any reason at any time and be so colossal that you can't fight back against it. so we're lucky that we have a warrior like donald trump, who has the resources that has a platform that he can fight back against all of this, but the average american doesn't have that they need to understand that this sets a precedent that they can go after the former president. maybe the future president. they can go after you, too. so it's not just about donald trump. and this is not just a about him as a candidate. this is about the make america great again movement that he started that he fueled that he is still the lifeblood of because make no mistake. these democrats don't just want to take down donald trump. they want to take down make america great again. trump supporters, the america first movement, which can exist without donald trump. but not right now, so they want to take out to threats, the people and the man behind the movement. that's what's most concerning that has to be communicated to the everyday average independent voter out there young, old and in between. they have to understand what this means for them. we are still awaiting we have had 10 indictments handed down by the fulton county grand jury working unusually late into the night, nearly up to our original air time at nine eastern six pacific signed by the judge filed by the clerk. you know we're heading up on the two hour mark, where the clerk said it would probably be about a maximum of 3.5 hours. fulton county indictments were unsealed. i would assume jason that if we were to look at what atlanta prosecutors put up on their website earlier today about charging former president trump, they included issues involving 13 counts, including violation of anti racketeering laws and rico and conspiracy and false statements and asking a public official to violate their oath of office. how much of this is related to the you know, now infamous phone call? um i don't know. um but you know, we're still awaiting all of that, but i would imagine it's probably very close to what was put up on that website. i have a pretty strong inclination it'll look pretty similar. yeah i mean, what the judges looking at there on the screen, which happened earlier . that's an awful lot of pages . obviously you and i and tommy , we haven't. we haven't read it yet. um, these are going to be very serious charges. not in a federal court is brett baer said. that's you know, that's a different scenario for the president. i think this is going to be a very tough set. circumstances in in a very tough part, but again, i just really does bother me the way this happens. this is not the way they treat anybody else doing this in primetime is just fundamentally wrong. yeah. timing. same question. yeah, and again and it was, jason said. we're still awaiting a lot of this, but you know, it doesn't help the thoughts of the american people when you have something go up and they say, oh, that was fictitious. and then you know, we have this waiting game here. it doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence in the american people that all of this is above board, and it's being handled appropriately. whether it is or not. we don't know. but when you put out things and you get people speculating early in the day, and then you have this dog and pony show you have, as jason said, lights, camera action here. american people are looking at this and we're waiting, but it doesn't give us a lot of confidence that things are going to be handled appropriately. that's another part of the situation here that has to be communicated to the american people. you know donald trump before he was a presidential candidate. he was a celebrity. but as jason said, there's a whole lot of people who are looking to be celebrities and reality stars on the back of donald trump and on the back of our justice system, and i, quite frankly, as jason said, find that quite disgusting. yeah alright. tommy. lauren thank you and jason shavitz. thank you. we continue now former speaker of the house. fox news contributor nuking riches with us what we're seeing on our screen. there is it looks like they are now setting up for the d a of fulton county. fani willis, a press conference. i'm assuming that would come. after these fulton county indictments are unsealed. um that, of course, can come at any moment. we now, you know about within an hour and a half, uh, but between the time limit that the clerk gave after the indictments were signed by the judge and filed by the clerk and the clerk, you know, then said maximum longest period of time would be 3.5 hours. if there's two counties in georgia, i can think of new gingrich. um. well, hang on. now we're hearing reuters is putting out. uh a statement they believe prosecutors have charged donald trump with 11 counts in the document. we will find out well, we did read earlier one page that we thought we had that it was 10. but that could mean a number of things. it doesn't even mean that it's a total just a total of 10 people that could be multiple people charged with the same account. the same counts, but we'll see. but if there's two counties, mr speaker, i wouldn't want to be a republican and have a trial in one would be fulton county. probably the other one would be the cab county and you see that in the numbers of people that the percentage of the vote that went to donald trump fairly low, but it's certainly better than the 12% in new york and the 5% in washington, d. c. what is it? 23 24% in fulton county? um not exactly the jury pool for a conservative or republican. we know there's a thing that i've been watching all evening and finally hit me. just how incompetent. they are . uh the district attorney should wait till tomorrow morning. mr speaker. interruption. 10 30 11. let me let me just tell our audience what reuters is reporting. we have not independently corroborated and confirmed that prosecutors are charging donald trump with violations of the georgia rico act. prosecutors charged donald trump with solicitation of violation of both by public officer. prosecutors charged trump with forgery in the first degree. prosecutors charged 10 others, including former trump aide rudy giuliani, reuters now reporting your reaction to that, and then we'll go back to fulton and dekalb. well i'd look none of that's particularly big surprise. this is a kitchen sink indictment. they sat around and you could have done this with a handful of first year law students and they said, what's the widest range of things that will help us smear donald trump? they threw them all together. you as you know, the classic story. now you could get a ham sandwich indicted by a juror grand jury because the power of the prosecutor coming in with no defense attorneys, no rules of evidence. no cross examination. so you know this is a rig deal. everybody knows that. but what i'm struck with tonight, sean, and i wanna make too much of this, but i think it's interesting that just as what you saw the other day with the appointment of weiss, a special counsel was just incompetent. it made no sense. having her she comes out and you again we got more news, apparently, mark meadows and john eastman. have been indicted as well. um literally , i'm opening up the what? looks like an indictment. can i ask the people in the control room? are you sure this is from this isn't from earlier today because it looks exactly like the indictment we saw earlier today on that website. um, but it talks about that's this is the official apparently violation of the georgia rico racketeering influenced and corruption act, solicitation and violation of oath by a public officer. conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, and then we'll start putting these up on the screen is quickly as we can, um, conspiracy to commit forgery. in the first degree. these are all felonies by the way. conspiracy to commit false statements and writings, conspiracy to commit false documents, comeere conspiracy to commit forgery and first degree conspiracy to commit false statements and writings, filing false documents, solicitation of violation of both by public officer false statement in writings, solicitation of violation of oath by a public officer, uh, and false statement and writings once again. again this is all now this is well has been released. reuters also reporting mark meadows has been charged on eastman has been charged. rudy giuliani, they are claiming has been charged again, not independently corroborated by fox. but that is the news that has just broken mr speaker. sorry to interrupt you. no look, we used to talk about the majesty of the law. the idea that the law should be above approach the idea that there should be a dignity and solemnity. seriousness this is a circus act. that's a badly run circus act. they can't even figure out how many indictments there are . they leak it. then they pull back the leak. now they're sort of leaking it again. um and if she comes out tonight and has a press conference at midnight or one in the morning, it'll be just a further example of how totally desperate and how incompetent these people are. um this is all serious stuff. it's conceivable that they could actually get some convictions from you have a rigged jury of a rigged. attorney us district attorney you're going to have enormous pressure from people who hate trump. so i think that we can't take this lightly. but it is an extraordinary effort. to try to destroy a political leader who at least half the country. things ought to be the next president. of all the polling data. he's at least in the 48 49 50% range. uh i think for a district attorney to take on this kind of authority is dangerous. it looks like not only was rudy giuliani, mark meadows and john eastman part of this indictment, as many as you know a 41 count indictment against trump 18 others in total. these are the ones that we're putting up on the screen that i just read to you. um and so this is just we've been waiting now for since we came on the program at nine o'clock tonight, and, um meadows has been indicted. we have john eastman has been indicted. really? giuliani has been indicted. and i would assume some of the predictable names. we now have less than a minute of our coverage left. i'm going to give you the last word tonight, mr speaker. imagine if this had been applied to al gore supporters when he contested florida in 2000. imagine the amount of money these people will have to spend to hire lawyers to prove their innocence against a viciously corrupt democratic district attorney. this is a direct threat to the american system of the rule of law. do you think that the american people see what jim jordans investigating on equal justice under the law, the weaponization of the doj and how it's been politicized. what is the consequences of that? and i got 15 seconds more, i think. yeah. just just watch the numbers rise every week. more and more americans realize that whether you like trump or you dislike trump. these people are undermining the very base of the american system of the constitution and the rule of law that is gradually becoming a conviction way beyond the trump base. well, said mr speaker. all right, thank you for being with us. by the way, greg will be back in his usual slot. don't miss him. he'll put a smile on your face. thank you for being with us stay with the fox news channel. and good evening. i'm trace gallagher. it's 11 p.m. on the east coast, eight o'clock here in los angeles, and this is america's late news fox news at night. and breaking tonight. former president donald trump is now facing 1/4 indictment. he has now been invited. indicted for the fourth time, this one regarding alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in georgia. we know there are 10 indictments. we have now have the indictment in our hand. we also have kind of a list of the charges and exactly what's happening. you can see live on your screen there we are about to hear from the fulton county d a funny