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the appeal without fanfare. whenever you think of the mask mandate, series of personal attacks on the 33-year-old judge she was appointed by donald trump and understand some folks are troubled with the new carpet boosting by 50% in two weeks, this turned into democrats say they don't care about public health are posted personal freedom the partisan warfare, one other thing the media crossover is a band, anyone can continue wearing a mask on planes, trains and buses for whatever reason they want but that i suppose is a less exciting story. i am howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz". >> had the first television interview with pierce morgan and glenn greenwald for trying to buy twitter. the pundits were quick to pounce on a harsh debate. >> must be clear about this, this decision will have a mass gratification for public health and the spread of covid in this country. >> if they want to pass a law mandating masks on planes i suggest they pass a law blood to do that or try to do that and see how that rules with the american people. >> is not the first time something didn't go the white house is way they don't fight back and they don't defend the rationale, they just give you the emojis shrug. >> only people in favor of the journalist to want the administration which is all of them and they're thrilled of the possibility of the american population will be subjugated because they deserve it. howard: joining us to analyze the coverage mollie hemingway a fox news contributor and in san diego laura think democratic strategist and ceo of rebel communications. president biden could have told his attorney general to appeal immediately. is not political interference but has most of the media missed the point, the president doesn't seem to be trying to overturn the mask mandate. even today the justice department has not asked the state of the ruling within 60 seconds. it's more interesting, they did talk about trying to fight this ruling from the judge, that is really about something nuanced. executive branch wants its authority to put forth these kinds of mandates. net of the coverage that i sold dealt with what the ruling was about it was about balance of power and whether this ruling was put in place in the right way it is particularly noteworthy that this ruling came two years after these mandates were put in. there really has been important questions about civil liberties, constitutional balance of powers in the media has expressed virtually no interest in these things whether at the beginning when churches were shut down or when were discussing whether or not this is a constitutional mandate on people. >> i like the idea of nuance on this program media liberals not surprisingly denouncing the trump appointee on the right, the national views into mccarthy and her ruling which gets tied up and stated tatian is a close call and could've gone either way. he says she's making policy not law and that's a judicial activism don't usually like. >> it is wild and get agree with molly there are larger principles involved in greater implication which explains the delay in biden's decision to appeal and how he appealed. we are talking about whether the government has a right to regulate just about anything. a far right judicial conservatives like the judge and clarence thomas who she clerked for, want to see the power of the government to regulate just about anything overturned this is a critical ruling and what you see is president biden not just talking about masks on planes but the ability of the cdc to regulate public health at all. there are important principles at stake but as we know principles can be area expensive i have a trial attorney friend of mine who says that when she talks to the people she takes the trial and business and right now politics can be politically expensive for biden. >> it's fascinating that you agree there are larger and some of this gets complicated and wonky but really important principles of thinking which is why the administration eventually appealed. in the liberal atlantic magazine david graham calls this the punch presidency saying in this case and others biden delays or temporarily extend something or differs from other government agencies. it does not look like he's in charge is not a right-wing pundit saying this. >> the first off people care about regulation because their lives and businesses can be destroyed by onerous federal regulation. if you're an american care about freedom you have to care about regulation. as for the issue of biden delays, your hearing the criticism from people on the left it seems abided a administration has acted quite vigorously when they want to on day one of the biden a administration yet president biden killing the keystone pipeline, dramatically opening the border, flooding the zone with hundreds of billions of dollars leading to inflation. i think what people are upset about are the result of these policies many were enacted without thinking through what the consequences would be. they're not dealing the actual problems, the actual problem is the biden administration policies are not so popular right now. >> a series of things later lately that you can certainly argue about whether people don't like the substance, when biden was asked what should people do when the mask mandate was struck down they said that's up to them. joe biden has never been a great moderator but he can be good at answering reporters questions preheated once again interviewed this year i bring this up, limited exposure too the press i think that is what he is often portrayed as reacting to each new blip in the new cycle as opposed to helping shape news agenda. >> i think it is fairness too the commentary. that said i think you're talking about an unprecedented level of coverage, you are talking about an unprecedented number of crises from the war in ukraine too the things that are hoppity locally with inflation in biden is handling them all, i think he's done a reasonable job with being clear with the american people when is not politically popular and i think you have to look at that and look at his side when he deals with all of these issues unprecedented crises for his entire presidency and when molly talks about inflation, those checks kept people in their family safe and kept troops over there had an incredibly necessary to help us wade out of this crisis. howard: i think he doesn't make full use of the media megaphone this is something i been saying for a long time. it is particularly noticeable right now with these multiple and controversies and crises swirling. i want to pay for you president biden was asked by reporter about dropping title 42 at the border that is the trump era policy of expelling migrants in order to contain the spread of coping, this is what the president said. >> are you delaying title 42. >> first of all an appeal by the justice department we want to be in a position where if in fact it is strongly concluded by by the scientist that we need title 42 we would be able to do that, there has been no decision on extending title 42. >> he clearly mixed up the border policy title 42 with the mask mandate. we all make mistakes of gas but are the media playing president biden's verbal missteps? >> it's a very difficult situation. we see what's going on president biden is confused about what is talking about, who is talking to, the complexity of the debate. we all see and there's not much to be done about it but i do think people downplay it. what is infuriating for half the country, they lived through four years of people constantly in the media claiming that president trump had to be removed with a 20-foot amendment because they didn't like his policy. here we have a president who's seen the effects of aging in its own criticism that were all blessed to live to that age, we will experience that as well but the lack is unforgivable. howard: even some of joe biden's allies in the media say at the age of 79 the mistakes, especially when it contradicts a white house policy in those remarks about vladimir putin and whether he should stay in power are getting to be a problem and i think there's a little more coverage in the media because it happens on camera, your take. >> i think it was a press conference you can juggle a lot of things at a press conference it got the right amount of coverage what didn't get it now, of coverage it was kevin mccarthy was very clear he was on tape saying he wanted to remove president trump and he should resign any light about it in the tape scott shown to prove that he was lying. all of this has been stirred up as absolutely nothing and a lot of the news media. this is a huge risk in the republican party and a huge reveal on how the leadership operates and what is required of them. do i think the one gap at a press conference should outweigh something like that, i do not. >> it was not a press conference, president biden has had a press conference in a very long time it was reporter shouting a question as he was going or coming from someplace which i think is fine but not a real substitute. second of all it's not about the amount of coverage it is about grappling with these mistakes. all presidents misspeak at times but clearly even as i said some sympathetic to this president are seeing this as a problem. >> is something that needs to be addressed is very difficult because he is the president there are many for what to do, people close to him should be carried about this and an honest conversation, don't tell me the media is not capable of discussing it when they did what they did for the four years of the trump administration where he would walk down the ramp slightly oddly and that would dominate the news coverage, we have someone every day walking in a weird way or having weird interactions with people who frequently says things that the administration holds back you wonder who is in charge is at the president who calls for regime change or the people who said we didn't want to say that publicly at this point. >> that is weird but it's true that they challenge donald trump's mental health, let me get a break ahead peers mortgage on his explosion interview with donald trump, when we come back the latest on the brutal invasion of ukraine in the debate over the biden administration military aid. osc. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger. howard: vitamin zelenskyy held a news conference despite the fact that his life is in constant danger and said his allies have no choices with more weapons or this will be a scorched land this is secretary of state tony blinken defense secretary lloyd austin are expected to meet with ukrainian president today. let's take a look at msnbc host talking about the biden administration military aid to the ukrainians. >> are we beating the drums of war instead of trying to make this awful conflict and? we send more and more weapons in our own national security apparatus is regularly speaking out and away that sounds like it's encouraging war. >> you do not hear many voices on cable news and abided administration is pushing for too much wharton should try to get peace. the problem vladimir putin has no conceivable interest in peace. >> is a couple gated issue. i think what you want to have it media coverage is a debate how best to help ukraine most everyone in this country basically everybody in this country wants to help ukraine, how do you help in perpetuating a conflict over many years that leads to many dead ukrainians and the destruction of the country or do help by forcing negotiated peace settlement. there are good arguments on both sides and people need to debate those trade we had into the iraq war and afghanistan war when you look back on how the media handled things, we said we would do a better job of not cheerleading whatever the national security state set but thinking critically about how we enter into conflict what decisions we make so we don't find ourselves decades later in a conflict that we didn't really want to get into. were not seen enough debate we need to see more of smart people on all sides of these issues of how best to handle. >> that's why play the clip, i don't think the same time vladimir putin wants more war until he could take over the country. even president biden the second straight 800 million-dollar military aid package, there has been criticism that is two steps behind initiative happen sooner and more offensive weapons in the arbitrary distinctions about what is an offensive weapon all try not to overly provoke putin. your thoughts. >> my thoughts are ultimately this is about stopping genocide which is what we see, there are not to side to genocide. there are not two sides to bottom reproving been a tremendously evil person we can activate that. howard: is a debate how you get there. >> i agree with that, there is a debate you see uniform support for biden's policy from republicans on the hill arming the ukrainians, the absence of american troops and nato allies israel, there are real international policies and reasons for that. that said we should continue to fund the resistance. you should not be allowed to take trunks and then negotiate after what could be were crimes that are happening that there are much evidence. there are not two sides we should get additional eight over to them and the sophistication to details on how we do that i will agree should get more coverage. i don't think there's a debate as to what we should do. >> there is not a debate in this country of which side you were on but there's global issues in play get much of the world unfortunately sided with russia, this means when we cover things we have to think through not just what the situation is with ukraine but the long-term situation of the opportunity cost both in terms of the economic cost to this country we are already not in a great economic situation in the idea to put a lot of resources there without they get to the cost are important but also the cost and other adversaries that were not dealing with we want to balance all of these things you want to get deeper and i have not seen enough depth and a lot of our coverage. >> i would come back by saying this, the situation in mariupol is very grim, russia said it will blockade the factory and the star of the ukrainian troops and hundreds of civilians. now it's continuing to show, are the media reflecting that despite the sheer bravery of the ukrainians in defending their country that russia targeting also the new crane the country remains in grave danger. >> i think that's right and i think we use more coverage. with highly intense coverage of ukraine early on. then it waned because of the detention span in an attempt to get eyeballs. the challenge that it's an international crisis. it does impact us at home. president biden makes decisions that are not his political best interest in the best interest internationally in the best of the country. again that is expensive. howard: exactly i think we have to look at the plain fact that there is a lot of good coverage by correspondence but there's a bit of work fatigue. thank you for joining us. cnn plus is about to be history why does the network tell the streaming service so quickly, did donald trump walk on piers morgan. ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪ ♪ yes -- ♪ wait, what was that? timber... 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you said he was very angry. >> was uncomfortable. i have never seen him like that he was very angry. he was reading out these things one by one and saying how can you say this about me it's disloyal look what i've done for you. i did not agree with what you are doing then we got to the election results in january 6. i said i want to be clear with you i do not agree that you have the selection stolen or that it was rigged. at that point he started insulting me and called me a fool seven times. i was very respectful back and accepted if he wanted to call me that but it was not going to change my mind. as a journalist i've read everything and i'm not see the hard evidence that you keep saying exist to prove that election was rigged or stolen from me. until i do are not going to believe that it was stolen already. he could not accept that he is applying pathological belief that it was taken from him. he is entitled about opinions but beyond no illusion these statements that ended in a cozy way. at the end i think tim and i shook his hand which is completely true but he got up and turned the camera off and he walked off. as he walks off he mustered loudly, we have all this on film, so dishonest, so dishonest about me. i thought that was rude and i felt that that constituted a walkout. howard: i listen to the audio of the trump team and however, how ticked off the former president may have been he thanked you and you think tim, it did not sound like he was storming often anger. >> when you see me the audio is a bit grainy he covered his ear i tell you i was shocked by the way that that ended. i was shocked that he balked at the cameraman and turn the camera off and was mustering loudly so dishonest at me. i've never had the experience before. what a walk office or anger talk looks like. i tell you he was angry and he was fired up and he had been the last ten or 15 minutes of the interview and before it started he was shouting at me, the idea cozy chat between two friends is disingenuous. when people see it in context i wrote a big piece about this in the new york post and which articulated of what went down. i did not claim it was a ferocious screaming storming off, i just said he got off and turned the cameras often call me dishonest and walked away. you can call that what you like but i've never experienced that before it's always been about more friendly than that and for what it was it was my refusal to believe that he had that election stolen from him but for those of you that like donald trump i assure you it's not trump bashing an interview is when he watches in context the whole thing, i think they will find interesting stuff which they will i enjoy and they will hear me quite regularly agree with issues and i think donald trump when he calms down and watches interview he will think you know what i was hasty in smearing fears, maybe i'll give my friend a call and have a cup of tea and put it all behind us. howard: you are known for your acid tongue, let me give you the pierce treatment you are a showman and entertainer and you walked off your own british morning show in a controversy of meghan markle, used her controversy and you make everything about you. how deeply. >> guilty as charged. howard: we can in the interview right there. piers morgan. you have anything insulting to say. good luck with the show. >> absolutely nothing on a huge fan of yours. i appreciate it. howard: you can watch the piers morgan interview with trump starting tomorrow on his fox nations show. after the break glenn greenwald versus elon musk, a top journalist says they're fed up with the toxicity of twitter. ♪ three days. instructor: come on milwaukee! i see you! after riding twelve miles to nowhere, i'm taking a detour. and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage, you could be working out a way to pay for this yourself. get allstate and be better protected from mayhem for a whole lot less. i'm steve. i lost 138 pounds in 9 months get allstate and be better protected from mayhem on golo and taking release. golo saved my life. i was way overweight, and that's what sent me down the path, was i--i wanted to make sure and live for my kid. plain and simple. you're a one-man stitchwork master. but your staffing plan needs to go up a size. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? 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>> this is why think it's important, this episode, he is proposing a lot of changes almost all controversial things like getting rid of the verification process easier, and added button the one proposal he is so controversial and generated upset among the media class, he wants to make free-speech values more predominant in you a road and rollback what is become a very aggressive censorship regime where the range that you're permitted to express is constantly contracting and it's bizarre that journalist a prideourselves for the frontline defenders of the free-speech values many sectors with the leading crusaders in favor of more censorship and silencing and silencing the platform competitors in the horror of elon musk taken over the most important because we just said it's all about the fact that they rely on the heavy censorship for managing the discourse and for getting rid of rivals. >> there's no question that most of its conservatives, i have no doubt if elon musk succeeds he would lift the ban on donald trump for example, what you call censorship many journalists say we fear the elon musk is going to ease up on the regulation. by the way elon musk doesn't say no content against hate speech and bullying and misinformation then obviously it can be debatable as to what constitutes misinformation. >> i think it's a crucial point the people who say that they want to regulate social media to eliminate this information or the same people who spread in the same people who told the country falsely two weeks before the election that the hunter biden e-mails of the russian disinformation over and over these are the same people who propagated so many frauds and the name of their partisan agenda. what is hate speech, what is disinformation these are terms highly susceptible and i think the core value of the first amendment should apply here which is we let the public decide to give the information too the public having class of ideas and the truth will per veil. howard: levitra to kevin mccarthy who flatly denied allegations in the forthcoming book and he told the other republicans after the january 6 capital riot that he wanted to suggest the donald trump that he did not have the votes in the senate to survive and impeachment trial after the riot and he was going to suggest donald trump redesign. mccarthy called that totally false and wrong and his spokesman said that never happened. then the reporters release the audio and let's take a look. >> there are discussions, i think this will pass and it'll be my recommendation, that would be my take but i don't think he would take it. >> now the media is accusing the probable next speaker of the house of telling a falsehood because audio contradicts. >> i think it is hard to make a case, if you read the denials they were very assertive and saying the reporting from the new book was false. the reporting was they told other house members he intended to suggest that trump resigned. the audio released has him saying to liz cheney he is going to tell trump he added consider resigning were actually redesign they are trying to move the goalpost by congressman mccarthy saying i never told trump to resign, that was never the claim. howard: it didn't say that. >> exactly it is so cleared that he got caught lying. if you want to defend him, i don't know who would, it's a very hard job to manage the republican caucus with 250 very desperate voices, what donald trump hovering over you, there's a lot of those in surrounding ones that we should demand from our political leaders the basic obligation not to tell lies to the public and the fact that he got caught red-handed should be a pretty significant event for him. howard: msnbc and cnn covers around the clock on friday fox covered it three times. is it a big story when we already knew that mccarthy went publicly criticizing the president of the time later when tamara lago, it comes back to denying what was already on tape. >> i think what clearly happened the recording happened on january 10. less than four days after the riot, emotions are high and what happens when you have an emotional event and people start thinking differently and putting into perspective and context. it's a news story. if we did flood the zone coverage, every time a politician lied we would never do anything else as journalist, covering it is reasonable but excessively covering it is what happen because obviously there is a partisan agenda involved. howard: as a measured way of putting it, always good to talk to you, thank you very much. netflix is suddenly losing subscribers has it gotten she woke were to dole? 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the appeal without fanfare. whenever you think of the mask mandate, series of personal attacks on the 33-year-old judge she was appointed by donald trump and understand some folks are troubled with the new carpet boosting by 50% in two weeks, this turned into democrats say they don't care about public health are posted personal freedom the partisan warfare, one other thing the media crossover is a band, anyone can continue wearing a mask on planes, trains and buses for whatever reason they want but that i suppose is a less exciting story. i am howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz". >> had the first television interview with pierce morgan and glenn greenwald for trying to buy twitter. the pundits were quick to pounce on a harsh debate. >> must be clear about this, this decision will have a mass gratification for public health and the spread of covid in this country. >> if they want to pass a law mandating masks on planes i suggest they pass a law blood to do that or try to do that and see how that rules with the american people. >> is not the first time something didn't go the white house is way they don't fight back and they don't defend the rationale, they just give you the emojis shrug. >> only people in favor of the journalist to want the administration which is all of them and they're thrilled of the possibility of the american population will be subjugated because they deserve it. howard: joining us to analyze the coverage mollie hemingway a fox news contributor and in san diego laura think democratic strategist and ceo of rebel communications. president biden could have told his attorney general to appeal immediately. is not political interference but has most of the media missed the point, the president doesn't seem to be trying to overturn the mask mandate. even today the justice department has not asked the state of the ruling within 60 seconds. it's more interesting, they did talk about trying to fight this ruling from the judge, that is really about something nuanced. executive branch wants its authority to put forth these kinds of mandates. net of the coverage that i sold dealt with what the ruling was about it was about balance of power and whether this ruling was put in place in the right way it is particularly noteworthy that this ruling came two years after these mandates were put in. there really has been important questions about civil liberties, constitutional balance of powers in the media has expressed virtually no interest in these things whether at the beginning when churches were shut down or when were discussing whether or not this is a constitutional mandate on people. >> i like the idea of nuance on this program media liberals not surprisingly denouncing the trump appointee on the right, the national views into mccarthy and her ruling which gets tied up and stated tatian is a close call and could've gone either way. he says she's making policy not law and that's a judicial activism don't usually like. >> it is wild and get agree with molly there are larger principles involved in greater implication which explains the delay in biden's decision to appeal and how he appealed. we are talking about whether the government has a right to regulate just about anything. a far right judicial conservatives like the judge and clarence thomas who she clerked for, want to see the power of the government to regulate just about anything overturned this is a critical ruling and what you see is president biden not just talking about masks on planes but the ability of the cdc to regulate public health at all. there are important principles at stake but as we know principles can be area expensive i have a trial attorney friend of mine who says that when she talks to the people she takes the trial and business and right now politics can be politically expensive for biden. >> it's fascinating that you agree there are larger and some of this gets complicated and wonky but really important principles of thinking which is why the administration eventually appealed. in the liberal atlantic magazine david graham calls this the punch presidency saying in this case and others biden delays or temporarily extend something or differs from other government agencies. it does not look like he's in charge is not a right-wing pundit saying this. >> the first off people care about regulation because their lives and businesses can be destroyed by onerous federal regulation. if you're an american care about freedom you have to care about regulation. as for the issue of biden delays, your hearing the criticism from people on the left it seems abided a administration has acted quite vigorously when they want to on day one of the biden a administration yet president biden killing the keystone pipeline, dramatically opening the border, flooding the zone with hundreds of billions of dollars leading to inflation. i think what people are upset about are the result of these policies many were enacted without thinking through what the consequences would be. they're not dealing the actual problems, the actual problem is the biden administration policies are not so popular right now. >> a series of things later lately that you can certainly argue about whether people don't like the substance, when biden was asked what should people do when the mask mandate was struck down they said that's up to them. joe biden has never been a great moderator but he can be good at answering reporters questions preheated once again interviewed this year i bring this up, limited exposure too the press i think that is what he is often portrayed as reacting to each new blip in the new cycle as opposed to helping shape news agenda. >> i think it is fairness too the commentary. that said i think you're talking about an unprecedented level of coverage, you are talking about an unprecedented number of crises from the war in ukraine too the things that are hoppity locally with inflation in biden is handling them all, i think he's done a reasonable job with being clear with the american people when is not politically popular and i think you have to look at that and look at his side when he deals with all of these issues unprecedented crises for his entire presidency and when molly talks about inflation, those checks kept people in their family safe and kept troops over there had an incredibly necessary to help us wade out of this crisis. howard: i think he doesn't make full use of the media megaphone this is something i been saying for a long time. it is particularly noticeable right now with these multiple and controversies and crises swirling. i want to pay for you president biden was asked by reporter about dropping title 42 at the border that is the trump era policy of expelling migrants in order to contain the spread of coping, this is what the president said. >> are you delaying title 42. >> first of all an appeal by the justice department we want to be in a position where if in fact it is strongly concluded by by the scientist that we need title 42 we would be able to do that, there has been no decision on extending title 42. >> he clearly mixed up the border policy title 42 with the mask mandate. we all make mistakes of gas but are the media playing president biden's verbal missteps? >> it's a very difficult situation. we see what's going on president biden is confused about what is talking about, who is talking to, the complexity of the debate. we all see and there's not much to be done about it but i do think people downplay it. what is infuriating for half the country, they lived through four years of people constantly in the media claiming that president trump had to be removed with a 20-foot amendment because they didn't like his policy. here we have a president who's seen the effects of aging in its own criticism that were all blessed to live to that age, we will experience that as well but the lack is unforgivable. howard: even some of joe biden's allies in the media say at the age of 79 the mistakes, especially when it contradicts a white house policy in those remarks about vladimir putin and whether he should stay in power are getting to be a problem and i think there's a little more coverage in the media because it happens on camera, your take. >> i think it was a press conference you can juggle a lot of things at a press conference it got the right amount of coverage what didn't get it now, of coverage it was kevin mccarthy was very clear he was on tape saying he wanted to remove president trump and he should resign any light about it in the tape scott shown to prove that he was lying. all of this has been stirred up as absolutely nothing and a lot of the news media. this is a huge risk in the republican party and a huge reveal on how the leadership operates and what is required of them. do i think the one gap at a press conference should outweigh something like that, i do not. >> it was not a press conference, president biden has had a press conference in a very long time it was reporter shouting a question as he was going or coming from someplace which i think is fine but not a real substitute. second of all it's not about the amount of coverage it is about grappling with these mistakes. all presidents misspeak at times but clearly even as i said some sympathetic to this president are seeing this as a problem. >> is something that needs to be addressed is very difficult because he is the president there are many for what to do, people close to him should be carried about this and an honest conversation, don't tell me the media is not capable of discussing it when they did what they did for the four years of the trump administration where he would walk down the ramp slightly oddly and that would dominate the news coverage, we have someone every day walking in a weird way or having weird interactions with people who frequently says things that the administration holds back you wonder who is in charge is at the president who calls for regime change or the people who said we didn't want to say that publicly at this point. >> that is weird but it's true that they challenge donald trump's mental health, let me get a break ahead peers mortgage on his explosion interview with donald trump, when we come back the latest on the brutal invasion of ukraine in the debate over the biden administration military aid. osc. and i love the science behind neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger. howard: vitamin zelenskyy held a news conference despite the fact that his life is in constant danger and said his allies have no choices with more weapons or this will be a scorched land this is secretary of state tony blinken defense secretary lloyd austin are expected to meet with ukrainian president today. let's take a look at msnbc host talking about the biden administration military aid to the ukrainians. >> are we beating the drums of war instead of trying to make this awful conflict and? we send more and more weapons in our own national security apparatus is regularly speaking out and away that sounds like it's encouraging war. >> you do not hear many voices on cable news and abided administration is pushing for too much wharton should try to get peace. the problem vladimir putin has no conceivable interest in peace. >> is a couple gated issue. i think what you want to have it media coverage is a debate how best to help ukraine most everyone in this country basically everybody in this country wants to help ukraine, how do you help in perpetuating a conflict over many years that leads to many dead ukrainians and the destruction of the country or do help by forcing negotiated peace settlement. there are good arguments on both sides and people need to debate those trade we had into the iraq war and afghanistan war when you look back on how the media handled things, we said we would do a better job of not cheerleading whatever the national security state set but thinking critically about how we enter into conflict what decisions we make so we don't find ourselves decades later in a conflict that we didn't really want to get into. were not seen enough debate we need to see more of smart people on all sides of these issues of how best to handle. >> that's why play the clip, i don't think the same time vladimir putin wants more war until he could take over the country. even president biden the second straight 800 million-dollar military aid package, there has been criticism that is two steps behind initiative happen sooner and more offensive weapons in the arbitrary distinctions about what is an offensive weapon all try not to overly provoke putin. your thoughts. >> my thoughts are ultimately this is about stopping genocide which is what we see, there are not to side to genocide. there are not two sides to bottom reproving been a tremendously evil person we can activate that. howard: is a debate how you get there. >> i agree with that, there is a debate you see uniform support for biden's policy from republicans on the hill arming the ukrainians, the absence of american troops and nato allies israel, there are real international policies and reasons for that. that said we should continue to fund the resistance. you should not be allowed to take trunks and then negotiate after what could be were crimes that are happening that there are much evidence. there are not two sides we should get additional eight over to them and the sophistication to details on how we do that i will agree should get more coverage. i don't think there's a debate as to what we should do. >> there is not a debate in this country of which side you were on but there's global issues in play get much of the world unfortunately sided with russia, this means when we cover things we have to think through not just what the situation is with ukraine but the long-term situation of the opportunity cost both in terms of the economic cost to this country we are already not in a great economic situation in the idea to put a lot of resources there without they get to the cost are important but also the cost and other adversaries that were not dealing with we want to balance all of these things you want to get deeper and i have not seen enough depth and a lot of our coverage. >> i would come back by saying this, the situation in mariupol is very grim, russia said it will blockade the factory and the star of the ukrainian troops and hundreds of civilians. now it's continuing to show, are the media reflecting that despite the sheer bravery of the ukrainians in defending their country that russia targeting also the new crane the country remains in grave danger. >> i think that's right and i think we use more coverage. with highly intense coverage of ukraine early on. then it waned because of the detention span in an attempt to get eyeballs. the challenge that it's an international crisis. it does impact us at home. president biden makes decisions that are not his political best interest in the best interest internationally in the best of the country. again that is expensive. howard: exactly i think we have to look at the plain fact that there is a lot of good coverage by correspondence but there's a bit of work fatigue. thank you for joining us. cnn plus is about to be history why does the network tell the streaming service so quickly, did donald trump walk on piers morgan. ♪ ♪ and kenny on the koi ♪ ♪ and your truck's been demolished by the peterson boy ♪ ♪ yes -- ♪ wait, what was that? timber... 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you said he was very angry. >> was uncomfortable. i have never seen him like that he was very angry. he was reading out these things one by one and saying how can you say this about me it's disloyal look what i've done for you. i did not agree with what you are doing then we got to the election results in january 6. i said i want to be clear with you i do not agree that you have the selection stolen or that it was rigged. at that point he started insulting me and called me a fool seven times. i was very respectful back and accepted if he wanted to call me that but it was not going to change my mind. as a journalist i've read everything and i'm not see the hard evidence that you keep saying exist to prove that election was rigged or stolen from me. until i do are not going to believe that it was stolen already. he could not accept that he is applying pathological belief that it was taken from him. he is entitled about opinions but beyond no illusion these statements that ended in a cozy way. at the end i think tim and i shook his hand which is completely true but he got up and turned the camera off and he walked off. as he walks off he mustered loudly, we have all this on film, so dishonest, so dishonest about me. i thought that was rude and i felt that that constituted a walkout. howard: i listen to the audio of the trump team and however, how ticked off the former president may have been he thanked you and you think tim, it did not sound like he was storming often anger. >> when you see me the audio is a bit grainy he covered his ear i tell you i was shocked by the way that that ended. i was shocked that he balked at the cameraman and turn the camera off and was mustering loudly so dishonest at me. i've never had the experience before. what a walk office or anger talk looks like. i tell you he was angry and he was fired up and he had been the last ten or 15 minutes of the interview and before it started he was shouting at me, the idea cozy chat between two friends is disingenuous. when people see it in context i wrote a big piece about this in the new york post and which articulated of what went down. i did not claim it was a ferocious screaming storming off, i just said he got off and turned the cameras often call me dishonest and walked away. you can call that what you like but i've never experienced that before it's always been about more friendly than that and for what it was it was my refusal to believe that he had that election stolen from him but for those of you that like donald trump i assure you it's not trump bashing an interview is when he watches in context the whole thing, i think they will find interesting stuff which they will i enjoy and they will hear me quite regularly agree with issues and i think donald trump when he calms down and watches interview he will think you know what i was hasty in smearing fears, maybe i'll give my friend a call and have a cup of tea and put it all behind us. howard: you are known for your acid tongue, let me give you the pierce treatment you are a showman and entertainer and you walked off your own british morning show in a controversy of meghan markle, used her controversy and you make everything about you. how deeply. >> guilty as charged. howard: we can in the interview right there. piers morgan. you have anything insulting to say. good luck with the show. >> absolutely nothing on a huge fan of yours. i appreciate it. howard: you can watch the piers morgan interview with trump starting tomorrow on his fox nations show. after the break glenn greenwald versus elon musk, a top journalist says they're fed up with the toxicity of twitter. ♪ three days. instructor: come on milwaukee! i see you! after riding twelve miles to nowhere, i'm taking a detour. and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage, you could be working out a way to pay for this yourself. get allstate and be better protected from mayhem for a whole lot less. i'm steve. i lost 138 pounds in 9 months get allstate and be better protected from mayhem on golo and taking release. golo saved my life. i was way overweight, and that's what sent me down the path, was i--i wanted to make sure and live for my kid. plain and simple. you're a one-man stitchwork master. but your staffing plan needs to go up a size. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? 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>> this is why think it's important, this episode, he is proposing a lot of changes almost all controversial things like getting rid of the verification process easier, and added button the one proposal he is so controversial and generated upset among the media class, he wants to make free-speech values more predominant in you a road and rollback what is become a very aggressive censorship regime where the range that you're permitted to express is constantly contracting and it's bizarre that journalist a prideourselves for the frontline defenders of the free-speech values many sectors with the leading crusaders in favor of more censorship and silencing and silencing the platform competitors in the horror of elon musk taken over the most important because we just said it's all about the fact that they rely on the heavy censorship for managing the discourse and for getting rid of rivals. >> there's no question that most of its conservatives, i have no doubt if elon musk succeeds he would lift the ban on donald trump for example, what you call censorship many journalists say we fear the elon musk is going to ease up on the regulation. by the way elon musk doesn't say no content against hate speech and bullying and misinformation then obviously it can be debatable as to what constitutes misinformation. >> i think it's a crucial point the people who say that they want to regulate social media to eliminate this information or the same people who spread in the same people who told the country falsely two weeks before the election that the hunter biden e-mails of the russian disinformation over and over these are the same people who propagated so many frauds and the name of their partisan agenda. what is hate speech, what is disinformation these are terms highly susceptible and i think the core value of the first amendment should apply here which is we let the public decide to give the information too the public having class of ideas and the truth will per veil. howard: levitra to kevin mccarthy who flatly denied allegations in the forthcoming book and he told the other republicans after the january 6 capital riot that he wanted to suggest the donald trump that he did not have the votes in the senate to survive and impeachment trial after the riot and he was going to suggest donald trump redesign. mccarthy called that totally false and wrong and his spokesman said that never happened. then the reporters release the audio and let's take a look. >> there are discussions, i think this will pass and it'll be my recommendation, that would be my take but i don't think he would take it. >> now the media is accusing the probable next speaker of the house of telling a falsehood because audio contradicts. >> i think it is hard to make a case, if you read the denials they were very assertive and saying the reporting from the new book was false. the reporting was they told other house members he intended to suggest that trump resigned. the audio released has him saying to liz cheney he is going to tell trump he added consider resigning were actually redesign they are trying to move the goalpost by congressman mccarthy saying i never told trump to resign, that was never the claim. howard: it didn't say that. >> exactly it is so cleared that he got caught lying. if you want to defend him, i don't know who would, it's a very hard job to manage the republican caucus with 250 very desperate voices, what donald trump hovering over you, there's a lot of those in surrounding ones that we should demand from our political leaders the basic obligation not to tell lies to the public and the fact that he got caught red-handed should be a pretty significant event for him. howard: msnbc and cnn covers around the clock on friday fox covered it three times. is it a big story when we already knew that mccarthy went publicly criticizing the president of the time later when tamara lago, it comes back to denying what was already on tape. >> i think what clearly happened the recording happened on january 10. less than four days after the riot, emotions are high and what happens when you have an emotional event and people start thinking differently and putting into perspective and context. it's a news story. if we did flood the zone coverage, every time a politician lied we would never do anything else as journalist, covering it is reasonable but excessively covering it is what happen because obviously there is a partisan agenda involved. howard: as a measured way of putting it, always good to talk to you, thank you very much. netflix is suddenly losing subscribers has it gotten she woke were to dole? 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