stomach. lara: what he thinks of the accused killer whose motive is still unknown. anita: joe messed up afghanistan and out a tough path without ron, is he in danger of the disaster in chief? >> tyrus what do you have is before what it is coming up we are saying bye-bye bye two iconic bargains gas and food prices soaring should healthcare be next? raymond: we know nothing about the new omicron variant. dr. fauci is busy taking political sides. meanwhile president biden is caught without a mask. dr. fauci is add it again today hyping the omicron variant. on the various sunday shows. watch. >> the mutations would strongly suggest that it would be more transmissible and it might invade some of the protection of monoclonal antibodies and convalescent plasma and even antibodies induced by vaccines. raymond: given that there is no extensive testing on this variant and the south african say it presents only mild symptoms, what is dr. fauci talking about? tyrus: i establish yesterday i'm not a rocket surgeon. i do a lot of reading and research and whatnot and i found looking historically with other different type of variant. which is typical of the flu mutating variant and they typically tend to be less serious than the original. it just goes back pushing the worst case scenario. i think with messaging you could look at that one way or another. the part that is disturbing he is no longer the science guy, just a fax guy he had to take time out with senator cruz in this that whatever onset of being the doctor. it seems to be a trend where i'm asking for people to resign left and white. you no longer to give that message without it being politicized you shouldn't be the voice of the cdc, it should be all walks on sides of the aisle whenever you contact or look up something you should get just fax not opinion not potshots and not hyperbole just to be on tv. raymond: dr. fauci has lost a lot of credibility over the last couple of years now he's doing a big pr campaign to talk away the origins of the covid-19 virus. he is pushing the wet market theory again this week. i'm waiting for him to blame bruce wayne. senator bill cassidy. tyrus: president trump did it. raymond: that is next week tyrus, the next round for sure. senator bill cassidy and tyrus alluded to this, he voiced his opinion, his big issue with the cdc, he is in a position. >> one b5 had, very valid beef, it's clear that previous infection gives immunity. dr. fauci has said that. i have been previously infected. the cdc is totally not interested. i think the american people know they're being gained a little bit. we know they have limited effect why not consider natural immunity for the duration of the immunity? anita: i've heard a lot of people asked that question , i think it has a lot of merit, i don't know why natural immunity seems to be so miscounted but i think everyone agrees that should be studied more. i want to go back, there is so much that we don't know about this and i hope that we don't go into a panic, until we learn some more data. "on the screen this is from doctor, she is a member of the south african association. the symptoms are mild and that i am treated before, mild disease with symptoms being sore muscles and tiredness for a day or two, not feeling well, we have detected those infected you not suffer loss or small they might have a slight cough. some are currently being treated at home. that is what she seen so far. certainly we don't know this could be at worst, based upon that i hope we don't go into panic mode and more lockdowns and ruin christmas and all of that. raymond: i think a lot of those questions have to be asked what is the nature of the variant, what contributed to this mutation and a lot of the biologist i've been talking to say we need to look at the leaky vaccine great have spotty immunization and leaky vaccines. laura as you know. raymond: well again function led to covid-19. they also suggested dr. fauci may be personally responsible. >> senator cruz told attorney general you should be prosecuted. >> i laughed at that, i should be prosecuted? what happened on january 6. raymond: what you make of that political answer from a doctor who is supposed to give us the facts in a career agency dr. at that. tyrus: this goes back to tyrus, why can't we just get facts, why is dr. fauci playing a game with all of us we know he's never met a camera he doesn't love buddy about what's going on. the reality is in front of congress he lied, dr. fauci told us the nih did not fund gain-of-function research. and there was a request to produce documents that show the nih in the wuhan institute of virology funded research on coronavirus and how to make them more transmissible and more deadly. that's the definition of gain-of-function research. there is a big question about dr. fauci at the end of the day. it's not funny, we want to know how this started, where it started and it seems like he's playing a game with us, it's like a tap dance that he does to get around the facts. i agree with tyrus on this, why this guy still has a job, how can you be wrong on so much very clearly the political and not presenting people with facts and science anymore and still get to keep your job, it does beg the question. raymond: especially when it appears the american taxpayer funded the creation of this virus and now spending trillions to put it down. somebody's making a lot of money here, all of this has to be probed by congress and should be. there is another study i want to reaction, brown university has a new study. 23% decline in children cognitive abilities due to masking and covid majors over the last couple of years. your reaction will do a quick round on this. anita: i cannot agree more, as a teacher dealing with younger children, a lot of their learning behaviors come from mimic behaviors they see the way that you talk, the way you move, the pitch and sound of your voice, a smile, all of these are being recorded in their little brain and then they mimic it, how does my daughter have the same comments as me, she watches you. that would affect you is not getting the hand eye, one-on-one in the movement of your mouth. i would believe that 100%. raymond: anita, your reaction to the study. anita: i have an 8-year-old daughter and i don't love the fact that she has to wear a mask. it inhibits relations with her peers, kids can see each other smile, there still learning a correct speech and a mask is problematic across the board. raymond: except for joe biden who ran around nantucket even though the town has a mask mandate he was photographed without a mask. he said he was soaking on a milkshake. merry christmas from the bite in a administration but is not just food and gas prices, could healthcare be next? 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lara: i know every other parent, i'm always looking for what i can get my kids that will keep them occupied for as long as possible for as cheap as possible. and certainly when it comes to any declaration. the dollar tree is in favor of so many. parents all across america. i guess joe biden can add this to his resume. this far as president with the disastrous exit from afghanistan and open southern border, inflation through the roof and gas prices going higher every day. embarrassment on the world stage. maybe we can add that he took down the dollar tree. i know personally a lot of new yorkers who are very upset if the dollar slice pizza goes away. they are going to lose it. this will be an interesting site to see in new york city and all across america. anita: we don't want to lose a dollar slice of pizza. there also talking about healthcare costs going up. i want to put up this headline saying that prices for food and gas and rising sharply, is healthcare next? so far healthcare has not been rising at the same rate as the rest of the inflation that we have seen. were talking about doctors visits, surgeries and prescription drugs. nonprofit healthcare analysis group reports healthcare services rose added 2% rate compared with the six-point to percent rate for all of her consumer products. analysts are warning of rising healthcare costs could be around the corner. do we really have to be concerned for seniors and others on fixed income, how much work and they take? >> you have to look around the edges. you see how it's not growing proportional to inflation yet. when you see covid mandates and restrictions being laid on top of the rising inflation you and the governor of new york, she banned all elective surgeries for hospitals preparing for the new variant that doesn't seem to be stressing any of the hospitals in south africa. there are these pressures being applied. as laura was just saying we may have to rename the discount stores. five dollar general in t.j. maxx credit card could be the next wave of briand shifting gear. when gas goes up and food prices go up that impacts everybody. i was talking to a major restaurant tour in new orleans, he cannot get enough staff to fill the tables so is turning people away on a nightly basis. that is horrible for the local economy. he's also raising prices because these paint dishwashers $17 an hour. this is not sustainable and that will roll over into staffing shortages at hospitals, rural hospitals, 99% are having staffing shortages. that will impact all of us. watch. anita: hopefully it doesn't come to that. tyrus, i think everyone on the panel is passed the days of resorting to two buck chuck at trader joe's. that's even going up in most stores to three or $4 a bottle unless you buy the whole case. what about the college kids just getting out of college and throwing their big parties what are they going to serve if they don't have two buck chuck. tyrus: a staple was old ian mad dog 2020. i believe they're all still two or $3. just to keep it real while were talking about parties and things like that i can remember when my grocery shopping was done at the dollar tree in the dollar store and every nickel and dime counts there is a certain population in america that is going to feel the pinch. when he can't afford a gallon of gas and most groceries that you get to feed your family because of your circumstance. you'll see a lot of families and a lot of young men that were in a situation where they resort to crime. the democrats were supposed to come on and they are supposed to help the poor and help everyone get a better spot in the losing what i call lifeline stores when you have cramped situations that have to choose between a light bill and putting food on the table. now there's a good chance you might not be able to do either one. that is extremely troubling because an elitist world they say it's a little messy. when you're a little hungry it's not funny. anita: nobody wants to see these things disappear, the pizza slice for a dollar in the two buck chuck and the dollar store a dollar 25 now. desperate for a win, the biden administration slammed on social media for promoting the bill back better act. critics say it may be illegal lobbying. we will discuss it next. ♪ ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. scan the code on screen to try for free. ♪ ♪. tyrus: will come back to "the big sunday show" the department of transportation slammed on twitter after posting a need for the build back better act some critics say it may be illegal to lobby for the bill it reads what are you thinking about, i am thinking about the new infrastructure and it's going to be getting from place to place so much better over the next decade and a win combined for the build back better act will create millions of new jobs. how did i do? are you on board? lara: that was beautiful. were you impressed. tyrus: lara i got to draw to you, you are no stranger to this. the previous administration, every time you walk in the building one of your family members was being accused of something. this is not the first time this is happened can i have a flashback of jen psaki when they were accused. >> either my lesson and according to any politics from here or political analysis, only political analysis to my friends at the dnc. tyrus: i'm just gonna allow you to have this moment to once again it was accused when it wasn't. the world is yours. lara: of course they didn't learn their lesson if this had been the trump administration they would be attentive people and prosecuted for violating the hatch act. i think this is just another violation even though the rules do not apply to the people in the biden administration and they aren't scared to say whatever they want because there's never any repercussions, look at joe biden walking around mask lists in nantucket went very clearly there supposed to be mask there. by the way the whole scene with joe biden, he decided to go to a tree lighting on black friday in nantucket on main street, the biggest sales day of the year for all of these people. i'm getting off on a tangent. but i know what happens with the secret service they shut everything down. i'm sorry to all the small businesses in nantucket that you lost out because joe biden had to come up for the tree lighting. all of this is very frustrating to anyone in my father-in-law's administration because we know what would've happened, if this had occurred under president donald trump everybody would be flipping out, heads would be exploding all over the place and they would be prosecuting people for violation of the hatch act, was not very cute and not well executed at all. you gave it a lot of justice tyrus. great job. tyrus: there is federal laws in place that is posted prohibit this type of brash lobbying. how can they justify any idea that this was okay? anita: are you asking me? tyrus: yes. anita: i don't know there are certainly people questioning whether this is illegal or not. i think is a very fair questions. more than anything else to me this reeks of desperation. their paneling for the masses on social media to get the bill passed, the democrats want to get this bill passed they spend more time convincing kyrsten sinema and joe manchin how they can pay for the bill because they need to get them on board otherwise instead in the water. i think they ought to put their efforts there rather than silly cartoons on social media. tyrus: that's a great point. speaking of silly cartoons. raymond you touched on this before how much of this is a slap in the face to republicans that would want to be bipartisan and work on a bill. literally this bill means nothing because everything that was worked out was thrown on the one that they want passed. is this the idea bringing the country together? >> this is going to bring no one together. it suspended polo self with a social service net and climate change bonanza that they have been wanting for years. except the american people don't want this bill to pass. the thing that struck me in the thing that i love, your reading gave it farmer justice than it deserves. put the social media meme up, who are the two young people obsessing about joe biden's build back better plan. i want to know is jen psaki and pete buttigieg tweeting in the night. who are these people, it's fraudulent on its face it will not convince anybody and i have a lot of young people i live in a house with a bunch of them. they are not texting their friends or instagram ain't about build back better. tyrus: you teenagers aren't talking about build back better? tyrus: shocking. one week after the horrific tragedy in waukesha and army veteran who saw it all and 11-year-old niece was hit speaks out in a heart-wrenching interview. >> he gunned down the street and then i watched him speed from right to left praying that he would turn off on one of the side streets, he had an opportunity to and he did not. ♪ if she did, it would be impossible to get in. she'd become famous overnight. she'd get talked into franchising everything. and at that point, they wouldn't really taste like your mom's short ribs. no one can deliver your mom's homemade short ribs. that's why instacart helps deliver the ingredients. ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us your mission: stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. now you know. and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious infections and blood clots, sometimes fatal, have occurred... ...as have certain cancers, including lymphoma, and tears in the stomach or intestines, and changes in lab results. your doctor should monitor your bloodwork. tell your doctor about any infections... and if you are or may become pregnant while taking rinvoq. take on ra. talk to your rheumatologist about rinvoq relief. rinvoq. make it your mission. learn how abbvie could help you save on rinvoq. lara: welcome back to "the big sunday show" one week after the waukesha tragedy a witness, an uncle of an 11-year-old victim gave a heartbreaking account of a massacre that killed six and injured dozens. watch this. >> he gunned it down the street and then i watched him from right to left praying that he would turn off on one of the side streets. he had an opportunity to but he did not. what i seen was indescribable. it's what you hear from veterans, there was bodies everywhere, there was close abandoned. cheers, everything, everybody was screaming, my god, yelling for their children and loved ones. after hearing everything that he had when he read out all the charges that he had prior to what he did on sunday, it made me sick to my stomach. i hope that he spent the rest of his life in jail and isolation. lara: absolutely heartbreaking to hear. raymond i'm getting go to you, you hear this witness and the on-call of 11-year-old victim say he watched the driver of the suv have an opportunity to turn off and he did not, some people are saying that proves that he meant to do this and it was all intentional. what you make appearing from the uncle this victim. >> the charge is clearly intentional homicide. anytime you accidentally hit somebody, you stop. this guy hit people and kept rolling. the intentional homicide they will probably be able to prove. on a personal level dave i've done a catholic radio show up in the walkie. his wife tamra was among those killed, 52-year-old woman with three children. i know some of these victims not intimately but i know their families are grieving. this should never have happened. i hope they throw the book at this guy. he deserves it, obviously have some racist and bigoted thoughts driving some of these actions, given the social media history. many look at this sort of thing you pray for those families. the best way to ensure that these families get the comfort is to get justice in this case. that means bringing their killer to justice. i hope that happens it is needed. lara: we all hope to see that happen. absolutely. bipartisanship from the two senators from the state of wisconsin wanted democrat what republican. they issued a joint statement, it is come to our attention the outside individuals and groups may attempt to exploit the tragedy that occurred last sunday in waukesha for their own political purposes of the u.s. editors represented in wisconsin and one political party we are asking anyone for such action we have a confidence in the local officials who responded with extraordinary professionalism, competence, integrity and compassion. it was nice to see that we do have a moment of coming together on something like this. there asking him not to be politicized. do you think that will happen? do think people will take advantage of the situation. so far a few people been respectful, what do you think? tyrus: some keywordy talked about integrity and compassion and professionalism. and a lot of the groups today search these stories out and try to exploit them, they have none of those things. i am hopeful that people will respect those things but we have to not kid ourselves, there will be groups profiting from this there will be scams and attempt to prove this. in the evilness in this crime no way to describe it, doesn't check any of the mainstream media boxes. there is a good chance because they can't push any real agendas, you will be able to prove he was a white supremacist, et cetera. we might get regular good old-fashioned justice and families will be able to start the healing process and try to pick up the pieces by the hands of this man. lara: it was nice to see some coming together from the two political parties on some things. i think we need to see more of that i hope we see more of that. as a mom i can't help but think what if i were at a parade like this with my children and how upsetting that would be, god forbid anybody got hurt. does it make you stop and think as a mother about going to things like this and going to parades and taking a family out into a public area. anita: that's a good question i have to be honest of course it does because if it happened in waukesha, it can happen anywhere. you just don't know where these things are going to happen and as a mom you have to be concerned about where you take your kids. one of the things that jumps out at me in the story is the history of the suspect. he has quite a lengthy criminal history and i really hope at some point when the time is right, maybe officials they could take a look at the sentencing laws, this guy darryl e brooks was a registered offender in nevada, he had an active arrest warrant, he was released on bond earlier this month in wisconsin for running over a woman who said she was the mother of his children. and he was out on a thousand dollars bond. at some point maybe not today or tomorrow, at some point maybe a discussion will be sparked about sentencing laws and if there appropriate. but like raymond said, the families are saying their prayers, it's christmas time i can't imagine these families and what their holidays will be like, they just really need our prayers. lara: absolutely thoughts and prayers to everyone in waukesha wisconsin from all of us. up next the biden economy is tanking on the world stage. but fresh out of afghanistan with more critical foreign policy decisions on deck. is he turning into the disaster in chief? ♪ ♪ ♪. anita: welcome back to "the big sunday show". a iran nuclear talks are for tomorrow fresh off the tragedy in afghanistan should americans have any faith that joe biden can deliver on the world stage, already is really officials are sounding the alarm" from the wall street journal, they write israel is very concerned that the u.s. is setting the stage for what they call a less for less agreement, such an agreement would be detrimental and only benefit the iranian regime, via enormous gift to iran's new radical and irg see, the iranian revolutionary guard corps affiliated regime. heavy subjects, tigress let me start with you based upon joe biden's decision-making in afghanistan, is awkward exchange with the french president in europe and his border policy buddy trustee administration to make good decisions with iran? tyrus: i think iran does, they're pretty good about this. if his deal is anything like it was in afghanistan, not only will they have someone help them finish their nuclear stuff they will get lovely tomahawk's and rifles and missiles and ammunition and some cash to go with it. the only thing israel was wrong about his lust for less. it'll be less for a lot more. we'll have i'm sure you're still struggling with shame from the previous administration being so mean to you guys and holding you accountable. the least we can do is load you up with whatever you want that way you will like us and because you want to anything bad because were helping. people never do bad things we need to free stuff and hold them accountable. anita: maybe another big bag of cash. lara your father-in-law got us out of the iran nuclear deal because he thought it was a bad deal now it looks like the talk could result with sanctions being lifted does this make the united states look weak? lara: it makes us look weak, to go from president donald trump who exuded strength on the world stage in such an incredible way, especially when it came to our adversaries and especially when it came to iran, then you joe biden cayman who is operated from a position of weakness. no one believes that joe biden is going to hold anyone accountable for anything. he has given up on everything he's been challenged, look at the taliban takeover and the entire country under joe biden. you asked him about the afghanistan exit, whether it's a southern border, whatever he is tasked with doing, joe biden exams weakness. obviously this is just a really frightening situation for the united states to find ourselves in he is at the helm as we talk with iran about something that is really important, not just for america but the entire world, let's see what happens but i don't think a lot of people are confident that joe biden is going to get any sort of a good deal out of this. anita: very high-stakes, definitely. raven, joe biden said he wants to restore original and have a longer lasting one. the u.s. and iran are directly talking to each other they have adversaries meeting next week. these are high-stakes negotiations. nuclear weapons are at the heart of this, israel, very upset, to be ready to take military action. it really takes a skilled diplomat to handle these issues. do you think the american people will have confidence in these negotiations? >> it doesn't take a skilled diplomat, it takes strong leadership. donald trump came and slapped sanctions on iran and choke the oil from doing business with iran if they want to do business with the united states. that's what got them into the corner which could be good for the iranian people. when i read this in her joe biden wanting to renegotiate this deal it made me think of the line from proverbs, the dog returns to the vomit as the full returns to its folly. this is obama 3.0. he's trying to renegotiate with iran regime, that's already enriched over accrued, you radium 12 times the amount allowed in the last meal. there's no going back to that deal, that deal is dead we have to deal with their reality on the table now. joe biden could not get mexico to agree to the state mexico policy, he is having similar problems getting china to sign on to a meaningless climate change agreement. what makes you think is good to get the iranians to do a nuke deal when china and russia are at their bags, good luck joe has a better chance of stopping covid in nantucket. lara: even tougher circumstances than before when they did go she did the deal. really quick to you lara, what is your father-in-law think about this, the idea that were getting back into the deal will give you 20 seconds. lara: is very frustrating for him, iran just laid out what he has to do ultimately to get us back to a position of strength as it relates to iran and now to see what has happened, to know that joe biden is trying to get us back into a deal that he worked hard to get us out of and he was so much better all-around, incredibly frustrating for him to see and for most americans to see as well. anita: the talks begin on monday in vienna and will be begin watching that. stick around the big four is coming up next. my retirement plan with voya keeps me moving forward. they guide me with achievable steps that give me confidence. this is my granddaughter...she's cute like her grandpa. voya doesn't just help me get to retirement... ...they're with me all the way through it. voya. be confident to and through retirement. do you take aspirin? 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