you. >> according to university poll, and nearly six in ten americans disapprove. >> trace: all of this as congress barrels toward multiple deadlines that could hold up bidens massive social spending package. aishah hasnie live for us here on capitol hill. >> good afternoon trey sanded jackie, it's quite on capitol hill as congress is out for the week leaving the biden agenda kind of in limbo. the house finally last week synced up with the senate and passed that bipartisan infrastructure bill and it came at a cost. the house is now waiting to pass a bill to back better plan after until after they get the cbo score that's the true cost of legislation. this weight is a move to appease house moderates, but it's taking off some progressives and that's why six squad members voted no for infrastructure and 13 republicans stepped in to help pass the bill. there are caveats to the new deal. the timing is troublesome, and they may not come back for another two weeks. democrats already have a full plate on their hands with the extension to fund the government expiring on this number third and of course the debt limit crisis looms and the returns to hunt them at around the same time. the biggest hurdle though is the moderates. like representative josh gottheimer who says they will only vote for the spending bill if the cbo score lines up with the white house estimate. >> we received a slew of data this past week from the white house, and we were going to receive -- we were expecting to receive more in seven to ten days. we expected all to match up with what was presented and will move forward. >> by the way, what you mentioned also tells democrats to sell across the country and the pole which was taken before the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed reveals that americans are split when it comes to the massive tax and social spending plans. just one in four say that it would actually help them and their families, so that might be a tough sell. jackie and a trace. >> trace: thank you. there's a big key here where we talk about these 13 republicans who voted in favor of the infrastructure bill, we will talk to florida g.o.p. representative byron donalds about what this means, lots of calls now to primary representatives coming up and a lot of calls now against the house minority leader kevin mccarthy on how he handled this whole thing. >> jackie: of course a lot of discussion around their vote but the biggest question we are all waiting to see is when the house passes its reconciliation planning goes to the senate doesn't stay in its form and that's a big concern of the progressives. two they actually the votes from manchin and sinema. today is the deadline for federal workers to receive the final covid-19 dose in order to meet the deadline to be fully vaccinated by december 22nd. meanwhile the white house is expected to respond after the federal appeals court but the mandate for workers in large u.s. companies on hold. former u.s. attorney andy mccarthy is standing by with his analysis but we begin with william la jeunesse in los angeles. >> there are two main dates, one for the private sector, but for some 3 million federal employees the biden mandate begins today and the penalty process could start tomorrow for those who do not get the shot. some fear that could backfire leaving some energy to agencies without enough workers. those who refuse and don't get the exemption can be suspended or fired. some 29,000 employees at customs and border protection are either unvaccinated or refuse to disclose her status. while most ask for the exemption, some agencies are refusing to process those. it's sort of like a game of chicken with supervisor threatening to suspend front line that law enforcement, border patrol, atf, dea and worker solidarity groups, where the nation cannot afford those consequences. >> this is typical federal bureaucracy. they put the cart before the horse and they don't have the programs in place to address the issue, even though they have given a mandate that could result in mass termination in a law enforcement agency that protects his country. that's crazy to consider. >> similar feelings of the federal bureau of prisons and tsa will wear up to 40% of their workforce is not fully vaccinated. and it was over those exemptions, agencies saying they will suspend or effectively dismiss those who don't get the shot even if there exemption was under review. >> that's a rock and a hard place, and at the same time they are not being given the tools in which they do so. >> so the irony here is the administration that calls itself the most transparent in history, every agency we ask refused to tell us exactly how many are unvaccinated or how many are requested and received an exemption. >> jackie: we are standing by for that q&a in the white house. >> trace: at lisping and former u.s. attorney andy mccarthy was also a fox news contributor. we talk about the judges who put this mandate on hold, people who were appointed by president trump and reagan and yet they still say they were grave statutory and constitutional issues with the mandates. are they right? >> i think they are, they are also administrative problems and they've used in emergency provision that courts haven't liked in the past, the six times it's been litigated it's been lost five times. there were two months that went by, and it doesn't go into effect for two months. they also have statutory problems, and that brings us to the constitutional problem which is, if they don't have statutory authority, this is residential legislating. and we talk about presidential legislation, and we can get your reaction on the other side. if osha can tell people to wear a hat hard hat on the job and be careful around chemicals, they can put in place the simple measures to keep our workers safe. what do you make of that, equating wearing a helmet with sticking something into your body. >> it's a dumb comparison and by the language of the statute it's a dumb comparison because they chose to use this administrative procedure. and they checked decided to try to end run at the notice and comment. by invoking an emergency even though they are not treating it as an emergency, which means they have a higher burden. to compare it to helmets is really not helpful. >> would pay them out, and the thought of paying settlements to alien families led by adults who were intentionally violating our laws, by attempting to enter the united states unlawfully should anchor americans, even if one concedes that the trauma policy was a rash or poorly implemented, it was unlike the migrants behavior entirely lawful. what is the chance to get these payouts? >> i can't say that because with they have a lot of discretion to do things they shouldn't do. congress gives them the slush fund that they call the judgment fund and if the justice department negotiated settlements with people outside of the court to make cases go away, congress can kick and scream over it and to stop them from doing that is quite the same thing. >> we should also emphasize the same thing that a lot of these people i got to the border were given a choice. andy mccarthy, it's always good to have you on. thank you sir. >> thanks, theresa. >> jackie: the white house press briefing is going on and transportation secretary pete buttigieg is joining. >> infrastructure is so elemental to our society that when it's not there to service in the right way all of us are impacted but when it is, when and strong, every community at large and, rural and urban and privileged and marginalized, every community feels the benefit. when combined with the build back better act, the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and collectively like to think of them as the big deal, in answer to the new deal or a square deal before that but they will create a generation of good union jobs and they will make historic investments in equity in the fight against climate change. they make sure that america can compete in the decades ahead. this is a largest investment in the roads and bridges and highways including the largest investment in our bridges ever. so that we can avoid devastating, and that's far too many other places. it's also the largest in public transit ever. and it's going to replace thousands of outdated buses with zero emission vehicles and aging railcars with state-of-the-art new ones. it's a largest investment in passenger rail since the creation of and it will strengthen our supply chain by moving our ports, airports and our frame rail. and the national supply chain. and they will have ten impressive applications correct coming and which allows us to grow these programs which we can use in direct ways to address issues of our time. it's an inland port to help goods move onward from the port of savannah. and sort them so they can get on the way to the shelves. there are many products that are worthy of that we can't support and that helps to change that. later today will be heading to glasgow and discuss how this legislation can help ensure the transportation which is the biggest sector contribute in greenhouse gases in our economy which can be a big part of solution. we seen so many impacts of climate change on american lives, on the transportation systems themselves and that's part of why this plan and precludes funding to put people to work and electrify our power grid, make our infrastructure more resilient and build out a national network of half a million electric vehicle charges and expand public transit which is also a huge part of the claimant solution. and of course there is a lot beyond our transportation elements of this, lead pipes and cleaning up pollution, broadband and more. what all these investments have in common is that they will create jobs. pipe fitters to replace the pipes, electricians to install the ev charging stations and autoworkers that build the car is a plug into them. mechanics maintain transit vehicles, drivers operating them and construction workers rebuilding the roads and bridges. each of those jobs will be available whether you have a college degree or not which is why the president often talks about this is a blue-collar blueprint for american competitiveness and it's a generational investment in every sense of the world. something that means a lot more to me now as a new father because this is how we do right by the next generation before it's too late. so thanks again. i'm even eager to take some questions. >> thanks for being with us -- a question about the bill, the bill gives you her an unprecedented amount of discretionary funds, $100 billion in a grant. can you spell out how you plan to prioritize that money, and just give us a sense of what projects you see or we should expect to see on getting money and getting started first? >> art apartment is gearing up hoping this bill would pass and now that it has we are taking it to the next level. i will break it into two parts and part of it is handling of an increase funding like discretionary programs such as ray is formally known tiger and intra. it's an emphasis on projects that are taken together and give us extra value in the priorities of the is it like this administration, economic strength, safety and climate and preparing for the future. we see a lot of projects overlap in that sense and if you looked at what we funded with the last round of infra, that will give you a sense and you'll see that when we announced the rays of projects this year, too. then there is where we had to stand up holding programs. we've never had a multibillion-dollar safety and stuff like that, reconnecting community to those who've been talked about all year and responding to where sometimes it was federal dollars that defended a community often along racial lines. i think the intent of those programs clear with the mechanics, we have to make sure we get it right and that the criteria are transparent, it's easy to understand how to apply whether you are a big city, and trying to navigate that federal process. and we will talk about a lot of taxpayer money. >> we prevent mismanagement. >> and not something i know it's already happening at the administration level and the president made this very clear to us in the cabinet where the rescue plan dollars came through. we know that we will be held to a very high standard by the president as well as the public so we have an executive council with the deputy secretary and undersecretary as well as myself to pay close attention to make sure we have all of the right controls in the right rigor to make sure these dollars are spent well. >> secretary, could you give us the breakdown of the implementation with the infrastructure packages passed into law and also give us a construct of how he will deconstruct the racism and we broke that information. we talked about how that could be deconstructed? >> the principal of justice, 40% of the queen investments in this bill will go to benefit the communities that are overburdened and underserved. and that's a lot of it, and we are working to map out program by program and mode by mode. and how to make sure that in terms of where those buses go but also and having a chance to create the business opportunities and that is also a very important element of the equity here that's in the spirit of justice and again you have a lot of guidance and oversight from the white house which is an administration wide initiative. we know that we have to build our own internal way of aligning and defining that inside of the administration. as to where we target those dollars, i'm still surprised that some people were surprised when i pointed to the fact that if a highway was built for the purpose of dividing a white and black neighborhood, or, if an underpass was constructed such that a bus carrying mostly black and puerto rican kids to a beach or would have been in new york was designed it too low for it to pass by, that obviously reflects on racism. and i think we have everything to gain by acknowledging it and dealing with it, which is why they are reconnecting communities, that billion dollars a something we want to get to work right away. >> and as you said some of these beltway's, and how do you redefine and replan these roadways and communities that are already settled in. >> sometimes it really is the case that an overpass went a certain way that is so harmful that has to come down or maybe be put underground. maybe the really important thing is to come across rather than add and subtract and that's where we don't want to impose a one-size-fits-all answer from here but, when we go around to syracuse, we saw the local vision for how they want to get past those divisions and those local ideas are going to be taken very seriously as we try to meet the spirit of this law. >> don't you just said the bill or the passage of it, do you know when the president plans to sign the bill? >> i will have to refer you to my white house colleagues but i will be there with bells on. >> do you know what the campaign to sell this bill will look like and it will take time for some of these projects actually go into effect and be completed and the white house is out in the midterms of course. >> expect it will be led by the president traveling to show where the need is and where the action is but i'm certainly eager to be part of that effort. i mean look. a lot of the cells itself, the key because community never needed to be persuaded. they are trying to get washington to get up to them but i think it's important for us to go out there, especially in communities where a member of congress or the senate played an important role and as you know members from both sides of the aisle played important roles in delivering this bipartisan win. i can't wait to be out there celebrating good news. >> thank you. >> thank you mr. secretary, thank you. as you pointed out this is a bipartisan bill. was there any discussion of the president not letting democrats oppose some of the republicans who are running or giving them a pass in the next election? >> not that i have been part of. it's -- the conversations that we had, it wasn't transactional like that. it didn't have to be because these investments were already so good for that communities that these members are presented. there are times when you asked someone to take a tough vote and to me these provisions were rightly so popular, that the only thing that was tough was for some republicans to stand up to some of those who wanted them to stand up. >> so i don't remember talking about any member of either chamber of either party talking about campaigns and elections in that way. what we talked about was how it would be good. now of course, good policies good politics and i think a good policy of legislation. >> that supply chain issues that the u.s. is facing right now, and i know that something you set often. >> we have a couple of examples, one is we need to make sure our reports, and sometimes different players are talking to each other. you got the port itself and it's kind like a landlord. you got the terminal operators and the truckers, and trying to efficiently move these containers. some of it is multimodal. if you see a back up, it might actually because that's something that's not so much on board the ships but inland. and that's something i pointed out in serving havana where we have an inland port so we can rush containers out of that precious and those are a couple of examples. let me point to one-third thing. this is a healthy port initiative so there are a lot of emissions around the port. for the ships themselves and the equipment, some of those are the neighborhoods that are close to them, and the healthy ports initiative helps electrify them so that you don't have to worry about the emissions and to me that goes hand-in-hand with those efficiency gains that we are trying to drive. >> something you mentioned, have you thought about it all relaxing, per dissipating for the truck drivers. >> i believe is a profession in this legislation, yeah, exactly. so that's a mentorship, and that tries to manage the potential for there to be a safety trade-off. we want as many people to be qualified drivers as possible, and we have to make a truck driving a better job. and the way they are compensated, they are often not, and truckers don't have the option to work from home. and we compensate them better than we have. >> thank you secretary. how many times with the affects of the infrastructure bill in the last two or three months. and we are going to be able to bless up and the new ones will have to stand up. and that's more than twofold increase and they are not waiting on us to invent these construction projects. and we are able to fund many more. we are going through applications for this year's program now and we will in very short order be working on next years and you will see that. we have some things, we need to stand up a whole new program. and that will take a little bit longer. remember, this isn't too thousand nine, this is an area where we want to make sure we had every shovel ready program in immediate short term for the economy. in term but it's a long terminus for the president works on looking back. >> were down in mississippi who have had farmers who have had bridge is closed on the areas were two or three years. when exactly can american see the difference in their lives? will it be two or three months? >> at the short answer is as fast as many of these agencies and workforces can absorb those dollars when the formula increases with the new grants are available. this is about many, many years ahead starting now. >> you can go first, but a quick comment on your question. when you renew the applications do you have adequate staff to review all the applications? >> great question, yes but we will have to grow as well. that's how we make sure we have stepped up properly and organize properly and we are talking about i believe $660 billion over that stretch of years that we need to manage responsibly. the course course as an admin dimension to that to make sure we have the right staffing and human power. >> is not -- something you can do, and courage that that money isn't just use to widen and encourage more people -- some of the progressives in transportation? >> right, this is not just about adding, in terms of being smarter and how people move around. the best way to allow people to move in ways which are better for congestion and better for climate is to give them alternatives. so i know our transit funding doesn't sound like a highway policy that actually part of it takes the pressure of the highways is this unprecedented historic funding for transit. having said that, certainly when there is any discretion involved, we are going to think about what's really going to solve the problem. sometimes you add lanes to a road and you get that many more cars and you are no better off in terms of congestion or pollution. we are also interested in some of the performance measures that are being contemplated as part of the second round but with this legislation we deftly have the tools to make a positive difference on that front. >> just a -- legislation -- blouse version of that includes dashed. they do make part of this framework -- talk about the benefit of that number one come and in your experience, do you think that should be -- to the dash. >> i think it's also no secret how i feel about family leaves and how the president does which is why he proposed it and i think campaigned on it and will continue to fight for it. and he talked about his time off, it's time to do work. good work, joyful work and meaningful work, but let me also say as a new parent, thinking about the difference the movie made by within the framework the universal access to three and 4-year-old preschool, it can make travel care affordable for families across the spectrum. that child tax credit will be huge and will make such a big difference for new parents. >> can you circle back to the supply chain. when a trucker -- -- do you agree with that? >> we are very pro union and i think truckers who are unionized have more of those protections in terms of their health and in terms of their compensation and it has a lot of benefits in terms of their effectiveness. if you have 90% turnover, 90% per year turnover at the larger employers of truckers, that's clearly an issue for the quality of a job. >> so you are endorsing. i don't know if you aren't applying that to a particular employer but i believe in what unions can do to enhance the standing of workers in any industry. but also for independent truck drivers, and that largely has to compensation structures across the industry that are over and above what they speak to. >> we are suddenly seeing, we've seen some steps that are making a big difference in terms of moves to clear the containers and at the bottom line is, and i think this is important and maybe not everyone is following this but, it's not that the ports are moving less goods. it's just that it's still not keeping up with the demand. the national retail federation predicts an all-time record high this year and that is enormous pressure. whenever you have enormous pressure on the system you'll find the weakest links in that system and that frankly could pop up at any juncture around the u.s. which is why we are very focused on l.a. long beach because of its 40% of the containers coming in. anywhere, including a thousand miles inland, it's a multimodal facility that's coming up in anywhere in the country you can see these issues. >> are they not in a bottleneck anymore? >> it's a matter of literally anywhere in our economy there is a relationship and we are seeing a lot of those points reveal themselves because as the enormous demand, the constraints on current supply and the outdated infrastructure it all runs across and the other thing that's important to point out is having seen shortages and star group with toilet paper, then it's a beef, and the best way to end a pandemic really does shortage is to end of the pandemic and that's why the faxing the push is so important. >> thanks again, great to be with you. [laughs] all right, we got one thing at the top and then we will dive in. later this afternoon the first lady will kick off in eight nationwide effort urging parents and guardians to vaccinate eligible children. and ages five through 11, and the first lady and the u.s. surgeon general dr. vivek murthy will visit a covid-19 vaccination clinic at franklin sherman elementary school in mclean, virginia. and coupled with the first lady's push on monday, secretaries sent a dear colleague letter to superintendents and elementary schools, principals across the nation to take a series of steps to encourage vaccinations including holding vaccination clinics at schools and that's about the importance of vaccinations for children and to answer parents questions about the vaccine. and providing parents with trusted information about the vaccines as well. including visits across the country to set up school located vaccine clinics by using their american rescue plan funds to help operationalize these clinics and by using providers through the federal retail pharmacy program to administer a vaccine. with that, go for it. >> yes. and it we -- things like this. is that -- wrangling surrounding that and broadly speaking and this is something that happens all the time. did administration clearly has the authority to protect workers and actions announced by the president or designed to save lives and stop the spread of covid-19 and as the doj said they will be defending these lawsuits. but i also want to step back for a second because there is precedence here. the apartment of labor has a responsibility to keep workers safe and at the legal authority to do so. the secretary determines, secretary and department of labor determines workers at risk of what is called a grave danger. and if you look around and we really zero in this past year more than 750,000 people have died of covid. you have some more approximately 1300 people per day who continue to die per day, as i said, from covid. if that's not grave danger, i don't know what else is. i want to be really clear as well, that the congress empowered osha through a law that has been in the books for more than 50 years. so this is an authority that we believe, but the department of labor has. we are very confident about it and just to say, this is about keeping people safe and it's important to do and that's a message we want to send out. >> -- should they to prepare their employees now? >> that's a great question and i appreciate the question. we think people should not wait. we say do not wait to keep action that will keep your workplace safe. it's important and critical to do and waiting to get more people vaccinated the lead to more outbreaks and. what we were saying as more businesses and school closures and most lost jobs that keep a stock in a pandemic, we are trying to end. we don't want that to happen and we are trying to get past the pandemic entry notes of the ways that they do that is and you should continue to a forward and make sure they are getting their workplace vaccinated. >> -- particularly the lessons learned -- how important is the presence -- out there. >> it's quickly important. you traveled with us and we've been across country in different regions of the country where the president has talked about his economic policy bill back of the bipartisan infrastructure. and it's critical, it's a once in a generation investment that the president talked about and this is one of the reasons why we had a secretary buttigieg here is to have that conversation to talk about the key components. let's not forget climate change and the bridges on the ports and all the things that we need to make sure that there are good paying jobs and make sure that we are investing in our country and so the president will continue to have those conversations to continue to hear from him. and it to your point, we will hear directly about the importance but also you will have secretary, and it's important to sell this and this is going to make a transformational change in their lives and an investment that we haven't seen in my whole entire lifetime and it's going to be critical and important. >> he appears to have interviewed two candidates. can you give us an update on anything else? >> so i cannot confirm any interviews that he may or may not have had it, someone asked me about this on friday. the president spoke to us last week, you were with us in both scotland and rome where he was asked that question, i believe in scotland he was asked that question during his press conference. i don't have any announcements for each day in the president will continue to engage with this senior economic team in a careful and thoughtful process to a point federal reserve chair and that's all i have for you today. >> the president and the vice president poll numbers. how big of a concern is that for this white house? >> are you talking about a particular poll? or just in general? look. one of the things i want to say, we are confident that our policies will improve the lives of nearly every american and so grow our economy and create jobs and that's our focus to make sure that we will continue to push the economic policies. that's not going to be our focus right now. the president was also asked of this last tuesday and he wants to make sure that we deliver for the american public and that is what are going to -- that's what we will focus on. and also poll after poll, you may include the poll that you are thinking of all the other polls that are out there have shown us the components of the bipartisan infrastructure deal and that's important to note. american families want to see these historic investments in infrastructure. and that's what we are seeing and that's what matters as we are moving forward, delivering for the american public. >> thank you. the follow-up on what jeff and sabrina were trying to ask the secretary, the president said americans would feel the impact of the project within two or three months. but we didn't hear a single specific project that would be launched. >> we don't have anything to announce us to any specifics, but we will have more implementation as the days go by and the weeks go by, and as you can imagine implementing this is critical and important to us. if you look at the american rescue plan which we believe the full success, and that's 531,000 jobs in the last month. we want to continue making sure that we deliver and so just like we did for the american rescue plan make sure we do this with the bipartisan structure as well. >> we talked about the urgency of passing the bill. so why is he waiting to sign it? >> talked about this on saturday and he basically said he wants to make sure that the congressional members who worked very hard on this, when they come back, we will figure out a time to sign in. want to also make sure that the people who spent the last couple of weeks in the last couple months all in delivering on this promise are here for the signing as well. >> do you have a date in mind? >> i don't have a date but, do you think that congress should wait for a cdo score to vote on it or not? >> i talked about this probably on thursday or probably on friday, i can't remember now. but as you remember we put forward -- there was a treasury blog and also the jct that put out a number as well which was kind of the first part before the cbo puts out their number and they said it would be more than paid for. i believe the number was 2.1 trillion and we are confident that this would be paid for and we are confident that this will add a $0 to the deficit. moody's has said this as well and other economists have sent this and so we will continue to move forward. that's why we wanted to be transparent which is why we worked across the across agencies, across the administration to make sure that we put out a number to show that it can be raised. >> we just wanted to make sure that we were transparent and that we put out what we thought would be raised and so that's what we put out there last week. >> thank you. the energy secretary says about the cost of americans heating their homes in the winter will be more expensive this year than last year so why is the administration now considering shutting down the line five pipeline from canada to michigan? >> that is an accurate, that is not right. any reporting indicating that some decision has been made again is not accurate. what i will say is, i will lay this out for you for a little bit here. where we are is that canada has decided to invoke dispute resolution provisions of the 1977 transit pipeline treaty and we expect that both the u.s. and canada will engage constructively in those negotiations and in addition to being one of the closest allies, canada remains the key u.s. partner in energy trade as well as efforts to address climate change and protect the environment. i will also add to this. the current line five pipeline is subject to litigation between ambridge and the state of michigan, so again. it's inaccurate what you just stated. but the reporting about us wanting to shut down -- >> is it being studied right now, the administration studying the impact of shutting down line five? >> yes we are. i thought you were saying that we were going to shut it down but that is not inaccurate. okay, great. but the army corps of engineers is preparing an environmental impact to look through this. >> okay. and out of the president is on the record as of saturday supporting compensation for a little gold immigrants who are separated from family at the border, who counts us separated? if someone was separated for a few hours or a few days with a be eligible to settle a suit and get this payment from doj? >> i will direct you to the department of justice for specifics on this. we have it answered this and i will refer you to the department of justice on any specific. >> that's great detail about policies so, i'm curious. going back to 2018 and some illegal immigrants were given the choice, get deported alone or get deported with their kids. if someone chose to go back by themselves without their families, would they be eligible to settle one of these lawsuits? >> peter i will refer you to the department of justice. i don't have anything more to say. >> is a white house assessment able to pass the agenda by thanksgiving? >> jackie: i've been listening to the white house press briefing and i have to mention it appears to push back on john. in his line of questioning, and her comments by saying that gas prices are going to be higher as this administration is considering shutting down another pipeline. you saw them push back on peter's question saying it was but it wasn't in the way that he phrased it. just have to hearken back to the previous line of questioning in the last few days in the payments, and to the president is saying that this was a garbage report and a few days later coming out and doing an about face. it this is something that we've been doing a lot more lately. >> i couple of points on that live five pipeline, they are talking about 540,000 barrels of oil per day at a time when they are already saying there's going to be shortages going into this winter for natural gas so that is one of the key things about this and we will talk about that more is a show goes on. >> jackie: let's bring in the economic panel. former director of the congressional budget office and, and and the pipeline was shut down at the administration. and one is a question obviously, but i think you have to go back to 2011 and 2012 when everyone was debating about the keystone pipeline. people forget that it was a republican nebraska governor who didn't want the pipeline going under their key basin. and that's something that the mission michigan governor's were concerned about. this is not a federal issue, and a lot of local communities were concerned about, and of course we should be concerned whereas we go into the winter, where heating is going. this is not surprised that the electricity and energy rates are going up as we reopen the economy in a post-pandemic environment. >> jackie: what are your response to that and what are the potential impacts here? >> we know this is an important issue because gasoline prices are up 60% and energy products are, people are feeling this in their pocketbooks and are very concerned. we have to be focused on those supply of products to the market and one of the things is not well appreciated is that the u.s. is pretty balkanized when it comes to the distribution of gasoline and heating oil in particular and also natural gas. we see regional problems on a fairly regular basis. getting heating oil in the winter and we always asked the question, why is there a pipeline there? will there isn't and there hasn't been one built. so going into the winter heating season, and something that just look very smart. so i think the energy secretary should study it but we know where we have to land at least in the near term. i think a bigger problem for the administration is they have adopted the strategy that doesn't focus on what comes out of production in the united states and gets admitted into the atmosphere. they've chosen what goes into different power supplies and you can't use coal and you can't use gas and we don't want you using oil and that's not a sensible approach. people are deeply committed to climate policy have noted for a long time that fossil fuels are part of the transition to whatever cleaner future in the u.s. and the globe may have. doesn't make any sense to have economics or from the client point of view. >> jackie: we are fresh off the top -- climate, but he's also pressuring opec for more oil production because the price spike here at home. he's in a binder there, but also, you have to look back to the norstrom to issue what with russia which was a gift to russia and is pitted between environmentalists and the g.o.p. on the decision about the next pipeline. so is a president having a hard time developing a consistent policy here? is the middle ground that it looks like he's seeking out, does that actually exist? >> you know, i've always been one that has believed in an all in the energy approach where we have both coal and oil as well as propane, but we have to transform and transition to a clean energy environment, and that takes time. i think it's really hard to assess right now because we have never been in this environment where literally we have the perfect storm of a reopening type place, when the supply and demand is so mismatched, due to the pandemic. so i would say that, no. listen. if we have to be tougher with our middle east, i would say, partners, about making sure that opec that's the supply go more, then we have to be tougher. away from that we have to figure out ways to be more and more energy independent but to think that clean energy is not one of the transformational parts is i think just ludicrous. >> jackie: your response to that? do you think the administration's -- here? >> have focused on fuels instead of the above approach which relies on technological advances in market incentives to give people ways to move away from. heavy carbon intensive products and move towards the less carbon intensive and substitute for the technology that is required in those fuels. so that's a strategy that would get them out of trouble but that's one that they are unwilling to embrace. >> jackie: thank you, thank you both for your time and we proceeded. >> trace: a great conversation. let's bring in florida republican congressman and member of the house budget committee byron donalds. congressman, thank you for coming on. i want to go back to those 13 republicans who voted for the president's infrastructure bill. we have the secretary of transportation pete buttigieg who says that he thinks that but will reflect well on those members and the national review disagrees quoting, every republican who voted for this monstrosity who is not already retiring should be primary it and defeated by candidates who will actually resist the left-wing agenda. those who are retiring should be shamed for the rest of their lives and who is also not too soon to be ousted from leadership to show his inability to do to keep his caucus together on such a crucial vote. where do you come down congressman? >> first of all, i'm highly disappointed with the boat that happened. there is no reason that any colleague on the republican side of the isle should've helped joe biden and nancy pelosi passes infrastructure bill. worst of all it's a bad bill and that's number one. it does spend some key money in key areas and corridors across the united states but in taxes across country it begins to drop that climate change nonsense in the department of transportation already more than it already is. now to the members of my congress that voted for this, you get the absolute wrong thing. never should have voted for this. if you wanted infrastructure you should have negotiated a better deal after you defeated this one. but we target these members relentlessly trying to get them to not vote this way but unfortunately we had other people that went to the other side on this boat and it was the wrong vote, especially when electricity costs are going to go up as a result of what happened in this bill. >> you're talking about representatives going to the other side, nicole malliotakis, republican congresswoman from new york, she said the following. "i weekend of their hand. they have no leverage now and it voted against aoc and the squad tonight and she thinks that she actually weakened democrat so they can't pass reconciliation. what is your thought? >> with all due respect to nicole, she's absolutely wrong. all that vote did was tee up the larger budget reconciliation bill that they have been wanting to pass all along. at what you really did was it you gave them a break to demonstrate to moderate democrats that they will do whatever to accomplish their agenda. the moderate democrats are in no position of power at all, and they will be held to the line to vote for the reconciliation bill come the larger passage in the social infrastructure package. on the cold data and the other republicans did also remind you of the 19 senate republicans who started this process down the road months ago and all they have done is created a pathway for joe biden's job killing socialist agenda to be passed here in the united states. that was the exact wrong vote. >> trace: congressman, good of you to come on, thanks for joining us. >> any time. >> jackie: a federal appeals court is putting the president's vaccine mandate for workers of large u.s. companies on hold. republican senator roger marshall one of the few positions in the senate will join us to weigh in on that ongoing debate. all that and much more coming up in the next hour. ♪ ♪ and it's easy. there's no money out of pocket and no upfront fees. and while some banks are raising their rates, newday is holding the line for veterans. lock in your rate. >> jackie: new at two, it's your worry about rising prices, take a page from the white house and learn to laugh. >> that is hilarious, what i have the magic wand. >> trace: and don'ts what the empty shelves as we close in on christmas, it's all just so complicated, it's okay if you really don't understand. >> it's confusing. what i'm trying to do is explain the american people as best i can. >> jackie: it turns out americans to understand at least according to brand-new polls. now more americans say they also know who to blame. welcome to our second hour of "america reports." i'm jacqui heinrich. sandra and john are on assignment. >> trace: good to be with you. i'm trace gallagher and we begin new at two, punching numbers in a brand-new pole according to suffolk university, just 38% approve of the job but biden is doing. nearly half of people polled it say he's doing the worst job as president than expected. >> jacqui: still despite rising prices, the biden administration is reportedly considering shutting down another pipeline. the white house moments ago during a press briefing confirmed its study of the potential impact of shutting down the line five pipeline and it's part of a network that brings over a half a million barrels of oil and of the products per day into michigan. ashley webster has more on what that means to us. >> bottom line if this did go forward it would likely meet higher gas prices, heating prices and so on. a report by politico said the biden administration is considering or at least studying shutting that pipeline down even though the oil and gas industry says that will drive energy prices higher, especially propane, that many families rely on for heat in the winter. as you can see it travels across wisconsin and michigan. the biden administration says that, look. even though this line may be closed it's not part of the problem. it says later that it's already signed an series of executive orders including pausing federal oil leases and eliminating subsidies for the fossil fuel industry and revoking permits for the keystone xl pipeline. in other words they have a history of this. former michigan governor jennifer granholm was asked about her plan to lower energy prices for americans and this was her response. watch. >> what is the granholm plan to reduce oil production in america? >> that is hilarious. what i have the magic wand. >> the energy secretary said all energy companies have 7,000 land leases to do drilling but they are just not doing. listen to this. >> we need to make sure that we are telling the truth about where the supply needs to come from. there is nothing that the biden administration is doing that is preventing oil and gas companies in the united states from doing additional extraction. >> republican will make are outraged with more than one group sending a letter to the admin station saying shutting the pipeline will only add to rapidly rising energy prices, steep home heating costs, and other republicans say biden policies gone down, they are guaranteed domestic supplies and now the united states are relying on foreign oil. back to you. >> in the meantime let's bring in "the washington times" opinion editor and fox news contributor charlie hurt. i want to play the rest of that, and i want to play the rest of this that president biden sought on the supply chain confusion. >> if we were going to all go out and have lunch together and i said let's ask whoever is in the next one, how do they explain the supply chain to us? >> it's not quantitative easing, you can't get a quantitative and it they wonder why the president's approval rating is at 30%. >> no kidding. i got like joe biden the problems that joe biden had probably shouldn't be knocking at other people's intellect. at a time right now where we look at these polls and i think whoever the idiot that he thinks is sitting at the table next to him could probably get elected over him at this point. but you are exactly right. they are pretty clear issues here, when you pay people not to work you wind up with problems unloading ships and you wind up with problems finding enough truck drivers to deliver materials but none of that matters really. at the end of the day, you have a massive crisis that has been caused by this administration. and when people go to the polls, i don't care how dumb joe biden thinks those people are. they are the ones that determine how this gets elected and they will be the ones that throw them out of office and throw democrats out of office in about a year from now. >> trace: i think it's interesting that while the president wants us all to go to supply chain 101, there is a little bit of energy the 101 could come under because looking at the possibility of shutting down 540,000 barrels per day coming out of there, this would be disastrous. there are shortages, severe shortages and the president is baking opec to open up the spigot and yet they are still slowly but surely trying to turn off the spigot in the united states. >> politicians tend to lie about this stuff but i will never understand this particular life from this particular administration. joe biden has made clear that he thinks the president is about to spontaneously combust because of global warming and that's fine. lots of people agree with him. he believes the cause of it is people buying cars and that the solution to it is making sure that, and the gas prices have nothing to do with it. and they want people to go to work, they want people to not be able to strike their cars on the college day, >> and first of all, when the question was asked, the president called it garbage and, and it the actual issue itself. >> and of course the important question that that raises is, if joe biden doesn't know what's going on, if you stop making these decisions, if he is not the one that's in charge, who is in charge? who is making these decisions because, if you piece together all those things that he said about that $450,000 paid to illegals for illegally crossing the border were being brought us youngsters across the border, it makes no sense whatsoever. and that's bad enough. this is a free democracy and free republic. and i would just finally say, before the show i was talking to william la jeunesse who really should get some land it down at the border because they spent so much time there. when these families are coming across the border and they were asked, do you want to stay together, and be deported or separate and they chose in many instances to separate and now they want payment. your final thoughts on this? >> obviously at this means that we watched our horrible at the border. and prevents people from trying and make the dangerous journey in the first place. that's the most humane thing that we as a country can do. >> trace: a charlie hurt, always good to see you. >> great to see you. >> trace: he brings up great point, we talk about all these people coming up and bring out know there are four or 5,000 more migrants trying to make their way from the border up to the southern border of the united states and mexico, and that's a question, what happens when they get there. the cameras will come back out and you are going to see -- you are going to see some politicians thinking, now what? what do we do now this time? >> it's were saying again, it just amazes me that if the administration doesn't have a ready answer on a question like this either it's about the payments or peter's line of questioning about the pipeline, there go to movies these days to shoot down the reporting is inaccurate and that is just somewhat stunning to me. if you think the polls are bad news were present biden, wait until you hear how vice president harris is faring. >> stunning numbers that, as they finally get serious on the migrant crisis. the one problem, it's not the migrants urging into this country that they are worried about. that's next. ♪ ♪ the newday 100 va cash out loan lets you borrow 100% of your home's values and you can take out $ 50,000 or more. pay down high rate credit cards, improve your home, or just give your family the security of having cash in the bank. this is a va mortgage rate watch from newday usa. while national mortgage rates are starting to climb, newday is holding the line at two and a quarter percent, 2.48 apr. so every veteran home owner can save. in business, setbacks change everything. so get comcast business internet and add securityedge. it helps keep your network safe by scanning for threats every 10 minutes. and unlike some cybersecurity options, this helps protect every connected device. yours, your employees' and even your customers'. so you can stay ahead. get started with a great offer and ask how you can add comcast business securityedge. plus for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. call today. >> jacqui: fox news getting an exclusive look as the public department of safety retains at the border, this is the border is open up her nonessential travel for the first time since 2020. steve harrigan's live in del rio, texas, with more. >> the legal border has opened up her crossing for travelers with full proof of vaccination but illegal migration continues here at a record pace across from mexico into texas. we've seen several groups across the river behind manny and fox news has been out with the texas department of public safety public safety on operation lone star. they are detaining people on private property, mainly ranches, along the border and we saw them detaining one group of people when they did for trespassing. one man ran and it turns out that man was a well known gang member from tabasco mexico. he had served extensive terms in georgia and in florida for robbery but it's not just hardened gang members who were taking part in the human trafficking across the border. sometimes it's even young people, a 16-year-old male from waco, texas, borrowed his father's truck and his goal was to drive to illegal migrants from honduras north to san antonio. he said he was going to get paid $2,000 for that three hour trip and instead he faces human trafficking charges and set the cartels often tried to target younger people. they reach out to them through social media and if caught they often face much lesser penalties. jackie, back to you. >> jacqui: steve harrigan for us in del rio. >> in the meantime vice president, herbicide heading out to tackle the migrant crisis the border but not the american border. the biden administration's are attempts to handle our nation broken southern border will instead be in france with four days of meetings with european leaders and while there she will take part in a conference on libya and ending a surge of migrants escaping the war-torn country and crossing into europe illegally. this all comes as a new self book diversity usa today pole as a vice president dropping to a 20% approval rating along with 58% disapproving which is a record low for any vice president this early in the first term. >> jacqui: it is deadline day for federal workers to receive their final covid vaccine dose, in order to meet the administration deadline of being fully vaccinated. but while that is happening a federal appeals court put on hold the president's vaccine mandate for workers of the large companies. let's bring in republik and senator roger marshall who is a member of the senate committee e on health and education and labor and one of the few positions in the senate. thank you for your time. this is administration to overturn the rule for the vaccine mandate, so what is your reaction to this latest ruling from the court? >> i think it was good news from the appeals court in louisiana and this is exactly why it's so important who we elected to be our president so that we can nominate conservative supreme court justices or as federal court judges in this case, so it's good news. i believe the federal government has until 5:00 p.m. today to give us a response and then we will see where we go with this but it's a great first step. at the end of the day this will end up at the supreme court and we need the supreme court to do their job to protect our god given constitutional rights and that we need to protect our future and limit the powers of the federal government. >> jacqui: and so one of the big arguments that you make his people with natural immunity should be able to turn down the vaccine and not be penalized for that. but this biden administration order does not allow unvaccinated private sector workers to instead undergo weekly testing if they forgo the vaccine. it is not not enough of an allowance? >> certainly i don't think it is. i'm telling you i could could not get from my seats at the chiefs game to the hot dog stand without five or six people grabbing me and saying this federal vaccine mandate will come a company. just imagine if you had truck drivers all over the nation uncertainly the folks that were heroes to see year and a half ago, now they are being treated like they have the scarlet letter on therefore had to. we think it's very unfair in the testing is not a good fix for us but also most importantly most americans, and i think most people -- i'm not a constitutional lawyer, i'm a physician but we think this is a gross violation of our constitutional rights. >> jacqui: and you are vaccinated yourself i know and if spoken about that so is her opposition more logistical and also do we have any concern that the efforts that you are making would undermine confidence in the vaccine among people who haven't received it when you have received it yourself? >> it right. so certainly i support the vaccine but i do not support the vaccine mandates. this virus impacts different people differently. i've taken care of thousands of women with viruses and axing those viruses have different reactions on each one of those women. this virus is very different, could depend on what your age is and your underlying health conditions and the side effects seem to be very age dependent as well. it's way more than logistics and i think mostly this is unconstitutional mandate that violates our personal rights. i'm doing everything that i can as a senator to stop it, whether it's a congressional review act or legislation that we are trying to use to stop the dash we are willing to start the funding of the federal government if they want to go forth with the mandate. >> jacqui: and so what do you believe the role of the federal government should be then in trying to encourage people to get vaccinated without necessarily imposing some of these requirements that you think are more constricting, especially the federal government has required vaccines for hundreds of years and some capacities when the administration often touts, george washington requiring vaccination against smallpox in 1777 and that something that they've put out often. what's your take on with the government should be doing at this point? >> i believe in the sanctity of the patient-physician relationships of the federal government should be given doctors and patience the data that they need to know. they need to know what are the side effects from this particular vaccine. it is a new vaccine and there are reasons that people have legitimate health concerns. certainly we do not understand the long-term side effects of this particular vaccine and the new technology. i think the worst thing the federal government could tried to do is to shut this down people's throat. this would be like trying to force us to take a new medicine as well, so i think the role of the federal government is to give us good science and follow the science and certainly in this case i think if you would acknowledge natural immunity i think they would be more believable. for so much data out there that would suggest that natural immunity is better than vaccination immunity but they won't even acknowledge that. certainly we need the federal government to be more consistent in what they are telling us. >> jacqui: senator roger marshall, we really perceive your time and we will talk to you again soon. >> thank you. >> trace: a warning from truckers ahead of the holiday season and concerns that president biden's vaccine mandate could derail an already chaotic supply chain. >> jacqui: plus the fbi raids a conservative group. excuse me, the fbi raid hasn't raised concerns among a conservative group about whether the biden administration is he is in the federal to target components. jonathan turley gives us his take coming up on that, next. ♪ ♪ atever the size. that's why we set out to help make it easier for everyone to move forward financially. with small business, personal banking, wealth, and corporate solutions that help you reach your goals and plan for the future... it's a girl! ...we're doing everything we can to help you get where you want to be. because sometimes a little help is all you need. see how we can make a difference for you at pnc bank. hi, my name is cherrie. i'm 76 and i live on the oregon coast. my husband, sam, we've been married 53 years. we love to walk on the beach. i have two daughters and then two granddaughters. i noticed that memories were not there like they were when i was much younger. since taking prevagen, my memory has gotten better and it's like the puzzle pieces have all been [click] put together. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. veteran homeowners, great news the lowest mortgage rates you've been waiting for are here. the newday two and a quarter refi has the company's lowest rate in history. 2.25% with an apr of 2.48. save thousands every year. plus there's no money out of pocket and no up front fees. newday is holding the line on interest rates so every veteran family can save. call now. is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes knocking you out of your zone? 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>> that's a curious aspect of the story. i wrote on my blog there are five questions that need to be answered and serious questions, a lot of people are critical of project veritas but it meets the definition of a journalistic organization. and the question is, why is this a federal crime. this the missing diary that some people say was left in a room in president biden's daughter was stolen but wise and that a state offense as opposed to a federal investigation? this is also occurring a long after the loss of the diary. has this been going on since the start of the administration? and they need to be answered, the investigation is not a secret and they can answer these questions. but that also brings up memories of how the fbi has intervened in the past for biden family members and they responded when hunter biden's handgun was tossed away behind a restaurant. a lot of people asked at that time, why would the fbi -- this is when president biden was involved in that if that's what. this was not the bureau first first families. it doesn't raise questions about the promise made by the biden administration that is going to be more careful when dealing with media figures. if you call not long ago, tucker carlson was unmasked in what turned out to be surveillance and other media figures were also involved in the related stories. at the biden administration promised they had a whole new set of policy is to make sure this wouldn't happen again. where are those policies now? >> returning back to the diary itself, what is the possible impact of the doj setting their sights on journalists. and you alluded to this a little bit, but is there any difference between project veritas which is known for some of its guerrilla journalism techniques and has faced criticism that it's more of a political operation than a press organization. is there any difference there? >> this is part of the controversy also with julian massage. how do you define a journalistic? and there are good faith arguments, project veritas is more journalistic and they insist that they are journalistic but what they do is often indistinguishable in terms of receiving whistle-blower information and material that was taken from another source. "the new york times" gets information all the time from agencies, businesses, they were taken from those areas without approval. so the question here is, why would the fbi be coming in on this? project veritas said it didn't run the information and notified local enforcement. so there is a legitimate concern when the fbi becomes involved in this type of story, as to whether it is going outside of those navigational beacons that we use to judge whether they are acting independently. >> jacqui: it's a curious story to follow and i'm certainly will curious to see how it all turns out. jonathan turley, thank you so much for your time. >> trace: the drama building off the field for one of the nfl's best. latest on aaron rodgers and his comments on vaccines and of the company that just dumped him, next. ♪ ♪ hello, for the last few years, i've been a little obsessed with chasing the big idaho potato truck. but it's not like that's my only interest. i also love cooking with heart-healthy, idaho potatoes. always look for the grown in idaho seal. >> trace: back on friday, houston's police chief went to a rappers bathroom before the show to warn him about wrapping up at such a big crowd because last time travis got performed there, people were trampled and heard. and yet after the personal warning to the performer come back friday night, more people were trampled and as we know now eight people were died. and now travis scott, live nation and score more have been named in at least 14 lawsuits that have already been filed with more lawsuits likely. garrett tenney live at the sight of the deadly concert with more. >> the number of lawsuits being filed is almost going up by the hour. at least 14 people now are taking travis scott and organizers of the astral world of music festival to court for damages, or for image injuries that they received during the concert. those lawsuits would be claims that organizers failed to provide safe and secure environment, and they will certainly point out that there were concerns about how things got started. we also saw some of that from the moment the gates open where fans tore down barriers and storm to pass. and he went to travis got the trailer to talk about it. and despite officials declaring it a mass casualty event later that night, no one stopped the e show. scott was on stage for gnomic performing for 30 minutes will people were being crushed and fighting for their lives in the crowd including one icu nurse who said it was an absolutely terrifying experience and she thought she was going to die. >> i can't view travis got the same after this. he knew what was going on, he acknowledged that even, because for a moment and then continued. i can't be with him same after this. >> some folks are so desperate for help that they started chanting stopped the show. this video shows one woman climbing up a ladder and yelling it at the camera man that were dying. >> if there someone dying. there is someone dying. because we also just learned that the medical examiner's office has completed autopsies for the people that were killed but it could be several more weeks before we know the exact cause and manner of death. trace? >> trace: of a horrifying scene. garrett tenney life at the side of the concert. thank you. >> jacqui: aaron rodgers under fire and being accused of lying about his vaccine status. the star quarterback set out sunday's game after testing positive for covid but his comments are now costing him off the field. mike tobin has more for us. it's a glaring error in august where aaron rodgers went clintonesque to create the impression that he had been vaccinated. that's the one that has guys like gary bradshaw calling them out. >> i am immunized. it would have been nice if he would have just come to the naval academy and learn how to be honest but unfortunately we got players that pretty much think about only themselves and extremely disappointed. he is not of anti-vaxxer or flat earth there but he believes in "bodily autonomy." as a result, he says he is a member of the woke mob and cancel culture. >> i believe strongly and bodily autonomy. not to have to acquiesce to some will culture were praised group of individuals who say you have to do something. health is not a one-size-fits-all. >> rogers had been a comet face in a prominent insurance and state farm did not can rodgers as the spokesman said it, we don't support some of these statements he has made but he accepts the right to have his own personal point of view. previa health had a nine year relationship with aaron rodgers and they can't him altogether. of course rogers didn't suit up this weekend because of the positive test and the pack lost to the chiefs. >> jacqui: it's interesting, aaron rodgers saying he's not a flat earth or anti-vaxxer but now he's going to have to address people that think he's a liar. >> trace: about the whole thing. people are giving misleading statements, and he he believes in his mind that he was doing the right thing and that his immunity was out there but we are trying to parse that. interesting by the way that when you had state farm coming out saying aaron rodgers has a right to his own opinion, for corporations to say that over the past couple of years, we have seen very little of that and they make a statement, they come out and they just cut you off. it's interesting to see a different corporate statement. in the meantime, one of the reasons for rising prices and shortages in stores is the trouble finding truck drivers. now the truckers who are working, it's about to get even worse. predicting president biden's vaccine mandate will lead to many of them just quitting. todd ostergaard is chairman and ceo of crete carrier corporation and he joins us now. the american trucking association wrote a letter to president biden and they said in part, the following "we estimate companies covered by the mandate would know mike could lose 37% of drivers at a time in the nation is already short 80,000 truck drivers." would you agree with those numbers, tom? >> yes, thanks, therese. at when some of the informal surveys that i know are being done come over 50% of the driver population or price for that matter come population in general is on vaccinated and of that group, up to 40% had been indicated. it not been vaccinated and will likely change employment because it just compounds the current existing driver shortage problem and it's really crippling the economy. >> trace: you talk about 37% and that's a lot but even you, when you are writing, giving us some of our points earlier, you said it was in 5% of the truckers would mean some 200,000 drivers. that in itself, 5%, is a major hit to this whole supply chain crisis. >> correct. i think it's just -- less i share that number. 5% is very, very conservative and that just compounds an already existing huge problem that we are facing. in our case, our demand is extremely high. i've never been this busy, and frankly in the month of september alone for every locally halted, we probably turn down another another 1.2. i show how strained at the existing chain already is and it's not just in the truckee trucking industry. and, this is very much a systemic problem. and that was the whole economy. he was talking at the white house briefing. i want to play the sound bite and get your opinion on the other side. watch this. >> i think truckers who are unionized have more of those protections in terms of their health and in terms of the compensation. gavin industry with 90% turnover, 90% per year turnover at the larger employers of truckers. it's clearly an issue with the quality of the job and one tool for improving the quality of that job is being a representation. >> trace: we've learned that a lot of the problems are because we have truck drivers that are not unionized trucks that are not environmentally friendly and they are not allowed to operate in the state. they are allowed to push the supply chain even worse. >> absolutely. this is a combination of failed policies that are coming to a head all at once, magnified by some of the challenges that are presented by the pandemic. we've raised our drivers to pay 21% and they were already among average. some of our top drivers were average over $100,000 per year and that's a nonunion job, in addition to great benefits and other compensation. this is not contrary to what the secretary would say is a union versus nonunion issue. this is not, again, not pitting union versus union employers. >> trace: ostergaard, good luck to you and your company, let's get some of the stuff moving. thanks for coming on. >> jacqui: concerning images coming out of china. details on the rep because of american navy ship in a spot that's used for target practice. ♪ ♪ home values just keep going . now's the time to refi and take out cash. the newday 100 va loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value. you could take out $50,000 or more, to pay down credit card debt and other expenses. and lower your payments $600 a month. the newday 100 va loan. only from newday usa. veteran homeowners. the newday two and a quarter refi is the lowest rate in their history. two and a quarter percent. just 2.48 apr. newday's holding the line on rates so veterans can save thousands. >> images from the chinese military target practice that could make any americans skin crawl. but first, answers from china on where covid came from. benjamin hall is live with more. >> hi, jacqui. yes, a new push for a 9-11-style commission in the origins of covid. the investigation will be free from chinese interference unlike many investigations before it, this is a bipartisan push led by roger marshall and joni earnist, dianne feinstein and kristin gillibrand. senator marshall hopes under the new commission, sanctions could be placed on labs like those that won't cooperate and even sanctions against china if they won't cooperate. they say certain u.s. intelligence agencies have refused to cooperate. >> i think the intelligence agency has not been forthcoming. they've not released the documents that could have been released. i thought that the previous national security folks were releasing information more timely. >> the state department has repeatedly said that it backs the current who investigation despite the fact that china has repeatedly block its attempts. china pointing the finger the other way saying the u.s. has politicized the covid-19 response. president biden launched his 90-day review that ended a couple months ago. that led to no concrete resolutions because it was limited in scope. jacqui? >> thanks, benjamin. congratulations on your new post there. we're happy to have you here in washington with us. >> thanks. comes at an interesting time. there's been questionable decisions by the state department. we'll be holding them to account. >> lucky to have you. thanks for your reporting. >> thank you. >> john: benjamin hall stateside. welcome to him. the chinese military using targets in the shape of u.s. warships. greg palkot has more. >> looks like there's very serious target practice being conducted by china with the u.s. in its sights. new satellite images show that china has built life size versions of sunia i have chips in the northwest. one looks like a u.s. aircraft carrier. the other has features of a guided missile destroyer. another appears to show a pretend u.s. navy vessel on rails so it could be moving while chinese missiles are fired at it. this comes with high tensions with u.s. and china. this comes as china ramps up their military with a range of ballistic missiles including one branded a carrier buster for the powerful anti-ship capabilities. one expect said the mockups are a little more details than they have to be suggesting that maybe china is trying to send a message to the united states about their deadly intent with a few aerial photos. >> john: a lot of messages coming out of china as of late. is that the reasoning for this detailed-type of target practice? >> absolutely. while they've been doing this, they've been testing a range of missiles against -- that could be aircraft carriers, it would be against destroyers, could be launched from the land, sea and air. they are very busy. pentagon says its ready. >> john: we took benjamin hall away from you. now greg's work load has doubled in the u.k. great to see you. >> thank you. >> it's interesting as we wrap up the show. looking at the stock market. looks like investors are piling in to these infrastructure stocks as the biden plan passed. up 100 points. >> john: thanks for joining us. i'm trace gallagher. "the story" with martha maccallum starts right now. >> martha: here's the story. the president pondering -- studying is the word they're using potentially shutting down another u.s. pipeline. gas prices head towards $4 a gallon. the white house was pressed on this moments ago about what they're doing about this. as i said, we were told they were not shutting it down but they're studying perhaps shutting it down. watch this. >> what options besides tapping the strategic petroleum reserve

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