you would extend a credit line on a vis a vis saw or -- visa or mastercard. when the u.s. government does that, it's sort of that on steroids. welcome, everyone, beautiful weather throughout much of the country. not all of the country, we'll get to that later in the show. a threat of a hurricane off the southeast coast of the united states. but let's not focus on that. let's focus on the political storm that's brewing right now between democrats and republicans and not just between the parties, but within the democratic party itself over a key vote presumably on monday on infrastructure but just infrastructure, that lean and mean $1 is trillion package that pales in comparison to the $3.5 trillion, much bigger and maybe much bigger than $3.5 trillion measure that progressives are pushing for and democrats all need to get on the same page. they are not, not by a long shot. let's get the latest from jacqui heinrich in washington where things stand now. >> reporter: good morning to you. there are several legislative priorities that are coming together on the hill this week before any of this can be finalized. the government, the parties have to agree to fund the government by october 1st, and also they have to make sure to sort of end the stalemate as the gop is threatening a filibuster. listen to this. >> this could not be simpler. if they want to tax, boar if row and spend -- borrow and spend without our input, they'll have to raise the debt limit without our help. >> reporter: if no agreement is reached, democrats could raise the debt limit on their own, but there's really no appetite for them to do that and possibly not if enough votes to go that route. at some point industry leaders will start calling up and putting pressure on the lawmakers because americans are going to start feeling the debt ceiling collision in their wallets. >> the fact is shutdowns are incredibly costly, disruptive and damaging. direct public health efforts can generally proceed during a shutdown because they're exempt, and that is certainly our intention. but large swaths of the federal government coming to a screeching halt would certainly not be beneficial to pandemic response. >> reporter: there's also a vote on monday for the $1.2 the trillion infrastructure bill. progressives are threatening to block it saying they won't throw their support behinding that smaller bill until and unless the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package passes, and that is a way off. mod rates say there's no reason the smaller bipartisan bill shouldn't get a vote and pass right now, and the president's poll numbers show he really needs a win. the white house meeting this week did not clear up what is going to happen with that vote on monday. plenty of pressure, though, to figure out an outcome to make sure the democrats don't derail the president's own agenda. all of this could be a moot point if there's no agreement to fund the government or a debt ceiling collision happens, so a lot here to watch, neil. neil all right. hard to keep up. jacqui heinrich. now, the prime minister, of course, talked -- the president, of course, talked of a stalemate yesterday, so it was not quite the happy talk we were hearing from those on capitol hill on where this is going. lucas tomlinson with the latest from the white house. lucas? >> reporter: neil, president biden says this massive $3.5 trillion spending bill, the largest in history, will cost nothing. >> it's all paid for. it's all paid for. but a lot of these are flat tax cuts that exist within my proposal. and they're being calculated as if the cost of the childcare tax crept is a cost to the government -- credit is a cost to the government. it's not. it's the reducing taxes, reducing taxes, not increasing taxes. >> reporter: biden says the massive spending plan will be paid for through tax hikes on wealthy americans along with corporations too. increased spending on health care, climate, education, other social safety nets is worth the high cost. republicans and budget hawks are worried about inflation though, neil. even before the showdown on the $3.5 trillion spending plan, americans are spending inflation at their grocery stores, the cost of basic goods increasing 5% from a year ago, even the cost of grain, cattle and horses. this massive spending hinges on the support of so-called moderates in the senate, support needed because of the senate's 50-50 split. every democrat must vote for it and, if necessary, the vice president will cast the deciding vote. >> i will say as it relates to the next steps here, we want to win the vote when it happens. that's our objective. >> reporter: the president spoke to nancy pelosi and chuck schumer last night. the president's at camp david over the weekend, we expect talks to continue throughout the weekend. neil? neil: perhaps of more immediate interest to our viewers for the time being whether they benefit are if these other packages or not, lucas, is where they stand on this stopgap measure to sort of fund the government before the lights presumably could go out september 30th. where are they on that? >> reporter: that's right, neil. the end of september here in washington which means one thing, a budget crisis. you have to fund the government for another year, that includes the u.s. military. there's no bill, you have, you know, just one-year stopgap measure, it's going to be a showdown. we expect congress to be in session many weekends coming forward, that's according to our own chad pergram. neil: which means you will be in session for many weekends. [laughter] lucas, thank you very much. great reporting, my friend. let's go to senator mike braun on all of this, the indiana republican, senate appropriations committee. senator, if you were a betting man, do you think a stop gap measure could be had to prevent the government from shutting down? >> this is going to be one of the most interesting things i've witnessed since i've been in the senate, neil, and it's in the context -- you've got to remember that we run trillion dollar deficits annually. and with this new baseline spending, those are soon to go to $1.5 trillion. and for all your viewers out there, divide that into what we spend each year, $4.5 trillion. that means the government is already routine libor rowing close to -- routinely borrowing close to 25% of what we spend. you and i have talked about it before, i call democrats political opportunists and entrepreneurs because their growth business is the federal government, and we're seeing it on display. that normally work when you've got a mandate from the american public, and they're doing it with the thinnest of margins within their own party. something will happen because pelosi who, i think, runs the show has put her reputation on it. the build back better agenda and all of that in the context of the craziness going on on our southern border, afghan and all that, they've got to deliver. whether manchin and sinema will cobble this thing down into the 2-2.5 trillion, they'll sell that as a bargain to the american public, we're still slowly going down the road -- now more quickly -- to running this biggest business in the world, the federal government, into the ditch especially like when the medicare trust fund goes completely depletedded here in about four or five years. it's a tricky act. there's going to be a sugar high going into the elections in 2022 from all this largess and spending, and spending is an absolute. raising the money through tax revenues, that is a soft figure. there's no way they can sell in that you're going to pay for it, i don't buy that. neil: so, senator, let's step back from this and say, you know, in the middle of all this is keeping the government open, avoiding the shutdown and maybe a default if you can't make payments to bond holders and the like, social security recipients and the like. do you think the american people will distinguish whether democrats' fault or republicans' fault? >> as a much as the democrats pay attention to polling and focus groups on everything that they do, that's already being shown. about a little under half the country thinks it's both parties' faults. and to be honest, republicans have been in on the spending spree throughout this whole journey, even through the time i've been here. kind of that unholy alliance we roll over for them to give them all the domestic spending because we hold defense sack to prosanta, and i think -- sanging prosanta, and i think that's the most important thing we do. they know that never in the history of our country have we teed up one and a half times the amount of spending that we normal libor row close to 25% of on an annual basis, and it's showing up in the polling can be. neil: you're right, senator, i guess what i'm asking is if it comes down to 78th time of extending the debt limit because this has come up all that many times since 1960, we saw mitch mitch mcconnell do this four times under the last president as well going back to the president prior, so it's sort of a bipartisan way to just kick the can down the road. i guess what i'm asking here is are you ever afraid that something misfires, that everyone says, don't worry, the government will not default, you'll never have to worry about that, but someone could slip up here? maybe this is that time? >> if you're spending political capital like they are and maybe when we're spending it this now having an epiphany that enough is enough, sure, that can happen. but i think the biggest difference here is everything we did during 2020 for the cares act and related stuff due to covid, strongly bipartisan. there was no vote for the rescue bill that's already $1.9 trillion under the belt, only 10% of that was covid, and this is not going to be a republican vote for this either. and generally raising the debt ceiling, we've got divided government. so one party can't do it unilaterally. and i think leader mcconnell has made a good point there. they can do it and they will do it, or else they'll have a lot of egg on their face. and i think in this case, they're shouldering most of the risk, not us. neil: so finally, sir, you know, on big measures like the trump tax cuts, all republican votes, no democratic votes. on the affordable care act under president obama, all democrat votes, no republican votes. under this measure of the $3.5 trillion -- likely much more than that as you say -- it's likely going to be all democrat votes, no republican votes. when does that stop? >> well, you've got to look at kind of what you're doing there with the tax cuts from the trump era, we had the hottest economy pre-covid. and the cbo was close to showing that that was paying for itself. never have we put spending above and beyond the normal out there. and, yes, you could make the argument both ways, and and i'm one of the loudest senators about we've got to rein it in, and republicans and democrats are have both been guilty parties getting us to where we are. but this, to me, is different in the sense that it's orchestrated by one party, and it's at a magnitude much larger than we've ever seen before. it's a debt bomb and inflation bomb that is going to go off, and we're already seeing it. and i think it'll all be sorted out in 2022 and, hopefully, give us the chance to have the reins again. and then let's see if we're true fiscal conservatives when we get there. neil: all right. we shall see. a ways to go until that. senator mike braun, have a wonderful weekend. how this impacts the parties, we're already seeing it impact the president's polling numbers. i tend to try to go into the weeds on these numbers and focus on independent voters, that roughly third of americans who aren't aligned with either party. and those are the numbers that if i'm joe biden, i'd be worried about. after this. thanks for coming. now when it comes to a financial plan this broker is your man. let's open your binders to page 188... uh carl, are there different planning options in here? 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i think it's -- this is going to have to be a moment of flexibility where people, you know, willing to fight for everything they can get and then accept some of the things that they didn't want. neil: all right. that's emanuel cleaver, the democratic congressman who is trying to bridge the gap between the extremes in the democratic party, those who do not even want to consider a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure package that's slated for monday unless they have guarantees that the similar package, the larger package actually, $3.5 trillion package, has been taken care of in the senate to set the stage for a vote on that. but this bridge between the two sides of that same democratic party is more like a cause these days, and -- chasm these days, and it's reflectedded in the frustration americans have with the president himself particularly among independents that now see him at a 37% approval rating, down from 55% back in the june. what's going on here? let's ask lee carter, she follows these numbers quite closely. you know, it's one thing to be polling badly in battleground states like iowa as the president is and georgia as the president is, but when it comes to independent vote which is now 1 out of 3 voters, i guess, lee, that's got to be a troublesome development. >> it's a hugely troubling development for him. just remember in the context of june he was at 55% with independents. his highest point he had 61%. he's lost a huge amount of support. and so the question is why. i think the first thing that we need to look at is who are the independent voters. a majority of independent voters today are right-leaning, so the president was elected on a promise of unity, on a promise of being a mod rate, on the promise of compromise, on the promise of being different with foreign policy and better with all of these things that he promised the american people, and that's why many independents gave him the benefit of the doubt. they're not seeing that right now. he's losing when you look across the board, his decision in afghanistan, they didn't disagree with the decision, they disagreed with how he handledded it. they're not approving of how he's dealing with foreign policy, how he's handling the military, they're not approving how he is handling covid, and they're really concerned about the economy. these things taken together you're seeing a land slide in the polls of how people are supporting him, and this is going to be a huge problem for the democrats as we turn into the midterms next year. what is their message, what do people have to hold on to that are the independents who are making these elections -- they're making or breaking the candidates in these elections. so i think democrats really need to be concerned and look at why this is happening. neil: which could explain this trying to get the democrats united on getting the packages through, not only the bipartisan infrastructure plan that is slated for a rote on mop, but the -- vote on monday, but the much larger human infrastructure plan and the idea that it'll give the economy sort of a sugar high as republican senator mike braun was just telling us, and that will be the win for them. but convincing all democrats of that has been a real problem for the president. >> it has been a real problem convince ising the democrats, but as much as people say this would be a real win for the american people if it guess gets through because it would be a sugar high, there's many people who are worried about the spending. they're concerned about the impact to the economy. they're feeling the impact of inflation in their pocketbooks, very concerned about the tax bills that are going through, what's going to happen to companies and growth, and so even though in the moment some of these plans might feel good, there's a lot of people that are very concerned about it even though they talk about it in a vacuum do you support childcare, do you support early childhood education. all these things sound great in a vacuum, but when you look at it all together, it's not necessarily as popular as you think. and when you see is it worth the spending and are you concerned about the spending of on the fue of the economy, that's something many are concerned about. he's going to have to answer for that. neil: real quickly, are independents of the mind what the democrats are saying, if you earn less than $400,000, you don't have to worry about taxes, this is all on the rich, all on companies, do independents buy that? >> no. i think the tone of the message has very much been, you know, it's very antagonistic, and it's not that most people really want to tax -- you know, taxing the wealthy is popular, but when you think about some of these areas that are really important when you talk about combined incomes with family households, people are concerned because people aspire to make that amount of money. we're talking about $400,000, yes, it's a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot of people who aspire to make that. a lot of people are very concerned what's to going to happen to corporate tax rates and when people look at what are they collectively spending if you have a federal income tax combined with state income tax and property taxes you can no longer write off, people are looking at upwards of 60% taxes in some of the states -- neil: we're a long way from resolving those fears. lee, thank you very much. there is also that side issue we keep talking about if they can't come to agreement with any of this stuff, of course, pushing us against the debt brink and the government shutting down. you know, we lost our top credit rating about a decade ago not because we ever shut down or defaulted, but because the kabooky theater that preceded all of that. could that happen again and make the debt even worse? 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but here the government has more flexibility than you do. you just can't willy-nilly raise your credit limit. the united states government has 78 times since 1960. never defaulting once. but we've come close. in fact, we had our credit rating dinged ten years that took us down from the aaa rating we had enjoyed prior. what happens right now if something slips and we do default? something goes wrong in it could happen. michael lee is with us, michael lee strategies, adam lashinsky as well. adam, begin with you. what if it happens? we shut down, but this time, this time we default, we don't make a payment to the treasury note holder or don't make a social security payment to a social security recipient. then what? >> well, neil, i think as you so eloquently set it up, it's a counterfactual. we all pretty much agree that it won't happen. it's extremely unlikely that it'll happen. but i'll answer your question, a lot of bad with things would happen if we did that. the few items that i you mentioned and many, many others with the united states government a lot of people depend on us. but i was thinking about this question and thinking about just how unlikely it is, you know, governments default, they can't pay their debt. i don't think governments default that won't pay their debts. acknowledging that this is a political issue. we would pay the five minutes after that, is what i'm saying, and so i just don't think it's even possible. neil: all right. i hope you're right, and i'm not trying to be a wet blanket on this, because i've raised this for 25 years here at fox. we sort of whistle past the graveyard assuming, well, you know, it can't happen again. do you think, francis, if there were a downgrade because we hit the brake again much as we did ten years ago and s&p down graded our aaa rating, that that could have serious repercussions as well? >> yes, i think so. i think that inevitably we are heading toward some massive restructuring as we see the debt to gdp, you know, the public debt to gdp will get very dangerous, around 150%. we are not there now, but we will get there just as we will have to raise the debt ceiling continuously until we have to do a massive restructuring. we have total department to gdp, mostly government default around the 362% mark, and we're right there. so we are living in dangerous times. that all being said, it requires a very thoughtful restructuring and a very thoughtful look at the system. i don't think that the gamesmanship in the senate is very productive. i think this is what citizens hate the most. and if republicans do this because they don't like the behavior of the democrats, i can hear the political commercials during the midterms now. republicans threatened our credit rating, republicans threatened this. and the thing is, it would be very negative. furthermore, the u.s. did not have a percentage of gdp that it did during the bretton woods agreement, and that's a threat. if somebody starts really bringing up that issue along with the down grade in credit, we're going to have problems having demand for all of this new debt. neil: the dollar rebound given all the problems with the real estate concern there that's on the edge of bankruptcy and we benefited, in other words, world investors come to us. do you see this remaining the case? sort of not forever, neil, but somebody new you look at the euro zone and those are the competitors for the u.s. dollar, as bad as our situation is, it's far more dire in all the other countries. while a curfew is not like a stock or a business, and it can't be looked at on its own, so while ours is substantially better than anyone else and for the u.s. dollar not to be reserve currency, somebody else is going to have to take over for us and that's -- there's no one else in the world right now, a new economic super power will emerge at some point and all currencies eventually, that could be 20 years from now, it could be 200 years from now. i don't necessarily see this debt ceiling, anything other than political pandering. the treasury brings in 250 to 300 billion a month in debt service to service our bonds is less than a third of that. if we default it's because of treasury department decides to default. neil: that would be a risky point to prove. adam, i'm curious, the democrats have been touting the various spending measures as producing a bit of a boon by the time we get to the mid terms and we might be in a sugar high period, do you buy that? >> i think you showed in your last interview that things are not looking good for them right now, so they need to close a significant gap. sure, i think that's possible. neil: okay. very good. we're going back to you guys on another development here. take a quick break. if you've ever been kicked off a plane, i don't know if it's happened to you or anyone i know, maybe lashinsky it could happen to, they put you on a list and now delta is leading the charge to put you on a permanent no-fly list. once you've acted up up there, you can never get back up thereafter this. when traders tell us how to make thinkorswim even better, we listen. like jack. he wanted a streamlined version he could access anywhere, no download necessary. and kim. she wanted to execute a pre-set trade strategy in seconds. so we gave 'em thinkorswim web. because platforms this innovative, aren't just made for traders - they're made by them. thinkorswim trading. from td ameritrade. not all 5g networks are created equal. ♪ ♪ t-mobile america's largest, fastest, most reliable 5g network. my hygienist cleans with a round head. so does my oral-b my hygienist personalizes my cleaning. so does my oral-b oral-b delivers the wow of a professional clean feel every day. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? 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yes, thursday on the far end of that and our forecast models, by the time you get to the end of the model runs, that's now taking you into saturday, next saturday, and you're still watching this way out to sea. so, it's unlikely that it makes landfall. as you mention, it's been an active year and that continues, 17 named storms and average is 14. and we have a couple of weeks where historically it's fairly active. again, theresa and victor and then to the greek alphabet. hurricanes like delta. if we get through these. your tropical activity, when you typically see the most activity in the tropics. and we stop off september 10th when you see the most tropical activity, but we're still at a high point all the way to the middle of october, the end of october is a good possibility of seeing them and it does drop off once you get into november. the season does not end until you see december. so, neil, as you said, we're moving through this year and there's still a little while to go, we'll be watching it, neilments you did warn us, adam. adam klotz in the weather center. you've heard about road rage, but what about the standout of the pandemic thing was airline rage. out of the 2000 individuals kicked off planes because of unruly behavior, things like, oh, i don't know, punching the teeth out of a flight attendant or trying to storm a cockpit because you're angry about the delays. and when you're excited for this type of thing and ceo on delta airlines wanted the no-fly list as it's known to be shared with the entire industry as with air industry officials, so never get a chance to act up again up there. and what does dan fonseca think of this, the former spirit ceo. what do you think, once you act up up there, you're on a no-fly list. >> neil, acting up on an airplane usually isn't a felony, but if you have a felony in florida and you move upstate to georgia, you're still a felon. the point is, our consequences follow us for our behavior the rest of our life, usually now, and so if you behave badly on an airplane where you punch a flight attendant or you endanger the other passengers on the flight or something. i see no reason why every airline shouldn't know about this. now, if delta wants to share their fly, no-fly list with america united, i don't think that american united has to put the people on their no-fly list, but it means they know that this person misbehaved on delta and maybe they would miss behave on us as well. i think it's very fair, neil. we need to-- >> but if you're on that list and you're leaving it to the other airlines, all right, he acted up or she acted up on a delta flight, i don't want her on my american flight or what have you, it's a fate acomefully anyway and no one will want that person on their flight. >> certainly if you live in atlanta and you fly for business, you're probably on delta more than not. if you live in dallas on american more than not. but most passengers buy on site. one on delta, another on jetblue, another on frontier. so if the fact that the flight you were on -- you're not going to show up at some other airline at some point and behave the same way. so i don't see what's wrong with sharing the list. i think it's smart and keep our flight attendants safer and our airways safer. neil: you know, obviously, i think it's very rare in general and, but the idea that flight attendants and others have their -- got some culpability themselves and sometimes overreact to incidents, several where a child refused to wear a mask and they went that you know what, and kicked the whole family off the plane. and i thought maybe the flight attendant should be on a no-fly list. it should work both ways, shouldn't it? >> well, i agree there are some both-way-ness. but the law of the land when the flight attendant says jump, you said how high, not i'm not going to jump. that's something legal to respond to so they have that power, but i agree with you, that flight attendants have been thrust into a position where they're having to deescalate conflict more than usual and more training of that group would certainly help, but that said, it's hard to blame the flight attendant, i think, when it's the individual who's choosing either not to wear the mask or deciding to-- >> no, no, i understand what you're saying and i can read my e-mails now coming in fast and furious, but my only beef is the guy in front of me that sets his seat down and get him off the plane now, even in mid air, but i'm curious where you see it all going because you can understand the frustration of flyers, not only the mask things, but planes are crowded again and numerous delays and people abandoned at airports across the country this past summer. so they're agitated and it speaks to the pain in the neck nature of flying these days, unless that improves, i don't know if this improves whether you're on a list or not. >> well, there are things that will improve it. you're right. in general it can give us a lot when we fly, right? italian word in there, neil. neil: there you go, i like that. but there are other things, too, and as businesses start to return to travel and maybe 20 to 30% of the plane are business travelers, that tends to lower the temperature a lot on the airplane because these are people who know the rules of the road, aren't going to try to state their political position on board the plane and such and part of the reason we've had the problems this summer is that the planes have been only leisure travelers, many of whom have been in a number of years, so i think if the rest of the world gets back to normal, this will get back to normal, too. >> i hope you're right. everyone has to be as calm as you are. the former ceo. we have a lot more coming up, including the ongoing search right now and it does keep going on and on and on, for brian laundrie. where is he? music playing] ♪ i had a dream that someday ♪ ♪ i would just fly, fly away ♪ you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire matching your job description. we did it again. verizon has been named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network. >> the search for brian laundrie continues so far to no avail. what are we learning, charles? >> hey, good morning, neil. we were expecting those law enforcement agencies to return to the carlton reserve this morning to continue their search, but we've been out here for hours and so far have seen nothing. we've spoken to a couple of guys who have been back there who tells us the aging areas where the teams are meeting is now empty so we're working to get some more answers on exactly what is going on. that said, we know that this has evolved into much more than a missing persons case. we know brian laundrie is now considered a fugitive wanted on criminal charges and the fbi announcing arrest warrant, following an indictment. and alleges that he made more than $1,000 worth of fraudulent charges using someone else's debit card between august 30th and september 1st. and steven bertilini the family attend says it's my understanding the arrest warrant for brian laundrie related to activities after gabby petito and not to her demise. her remains were found in wyoming nearly a week ago. multiple law enforcement agencies have been working to find brian in the tough terrain of a preserve after he went hiking and never returned. the laundrie family attorney says he left without his wallet and phone, potentially making it tougher to track him down, but police say the nature reserve isn't the only effort to find brian, it's just the most visible. >> we have investigative means and we have other technology, agencies are issuing search warrants for data and whether it be social media or some other investigative means and then we do the search. >> meantime, ahead of gabby's funeral tomorrow, heartbroken neighbors in long island new york honored her life during a visual called light the night for gabby. and hundreds of people stood in driveways and lit lanterns as they paid their respects. and one family friend knew gabby since she was a little girl. listen. >> the last text i got from gabby, she sent her video, that van life video. >> what you see is what you get. she radiated light and life and love. >> and though the petito family will hold a private funeral tomorrow before allowing the public to pay their respects at a long island funeral home, neil. neil: charles watson, thank you, charles. remember the taliban when it was responsible for planting roadside bombs? now, some groups are planting roadside bombs on the taliban. the latest from afghanistan after this. >> you know, it wasn't that long ago that it was the taliban planting the roadside bombs to use against us and now, other groups in afghanistan are using roadside bombs to go after the taliban, having nothing to do with us. lieutenant general jerry boiken on this, the former undersecretary of defense. what do you make of this. the latest occurred overnight. one person was seriously hurt, it could have been many more and the likely culprit was one of these isis-k fighters, but we just don't know, but the target was the taliban vehicle. >> yeah, neil, remember, when we went into afghanistan in 2001 we joined forces with a group of tribes that were loosely knitted together by a common hatred of the taliban and we called them the northern alliance and you still have that faction that is very anti-taliban and they are, they still exist and they are going to be a real problem for the taliban, but then isis-k, as you said, they are not -- they are, indeed the enemy of the taliban there, but for bizarre reasons, i think, have more to do with ideology than anything else. so, the taliban is not going to have an easy time because they are going to have to deal with these insurgent elements there. >> yeah, and you would telea lot of this, and talking about impending chaos in afghanistan because you have the disparate groups trying to force their way, but i think of a bigger player coming in to take over. who would that bigger player be? or to have much more out-sized role in the country? >> well, right now, there is no bigger player within afghanistan that i can see than the taliban. they dominate most of the territory with the exception of the valley and maybe some of the border areas with pakistan, so, i don't think there is a bigger entity than the taliban right now, but these-- make no mistake, these insurgent elements are lethal and we saw that with the car bombing there, they are lethal and they'll go after the taliban and the taliban will have a major problem dealing with them. but just think about this. the taliban, the very people that we follow for 20 years are back in power and they've got another war of their own that's going on internally for them to be able to establish themselves as a legitimate government and i don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. neil: general, we'll watch it closely, good seeing you again. jerry boykin, former secretary of the defense. and remember the border when there was up to 30,000 migrants under a bridge and overpass along the border. they're all gone, every single one of them. where did they go? 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[all laughing] >> where did they all go? you've seen a great deal of attention to the del rio bridge in del rio, texas that at its height better than 30,000 migrants crossing through, a good many for the time being haitian migrants, but they're all gone now. they've been shipped all over the place. but we don't have reliable numbers where they've gone because the numbers don't add up. jeff paul in del rio, texas with more. jeff. >> yeah, neil and the other big story has to deal with those viral images of the horse patrols used by border patrol. those have been suspended by the biden administration and there's an ongoing investigation into determine whether or not anything was dealt with in the wrong manner, but homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas disturbing and do not reflect who we are. official insisted that the agencies don't use whips ap the leather straps used in that were used to control the horses. the head of the national border patrol council satisfies that images in this case are misconstrued and politicized. meanwhile at the border all 15,000 mostly haitian migrants have been cleared out from underneath the international bridge in del rio, texas. 2000 we're told have been sent back to haiti, but thousands and thousands are still being processed or have been given notices to appear. state law enforcement in texas say that they really don't have any way to keep track and know where anyone's going at this point. >> right now we don't know exactly where they're being released, where they're being transported. how they're processed, but we do have reports that majority of being released into the country. so, that's a challenge. that's a challenge because once the message gets sent to other potential caravans coming across mexico into the u.s., they're going to want to make that journey. >> now, compared to last week, it is a much more quiet morning here along the rio grande in del rio, texas. we did see at least one family a short while ago cross the rio grande into the united states. texas state law enforcement was here to make contact with them and hand them off to border patrol for processing so they'll be standing by and we'll see what happens the rest of the weekend, neil. neil: i'm curious, you mentioned the controversy over the use of horses to corral some of these illegal haitians here. even the ap photographer who captured a lot of this activity said his images have simply been misconstrued and he said the agents did not once ever use their reins as whips and there was nothing unforward or wrong how they're behaving, but it seems in the collective media world to fall among deaf ears. >> yeah, and it's one thing to take a snapshot of the moment when you look at the pictures and there's a lot, you can zoom in on and one thing looks like another. you watch the video and it looks completely different and i think, you talk to some. border agents out here and they're frustrated because the horses are a very important tool to get places they can't go. in fact, we spoke with oun of the sources involving the border patrol and they sent us a picture and they use those horses to save people and sent us a picture that showed them being able to get to some migrants who had gotten stranded and lost their way and saved their lives by using those horses by being able to get them out and get to them. i think for the folks on the ground, it's a much different reality from the folks who haven't use today seeing what's happening here along the border, neil. neil: thank you, jeff. jeff paul in del rio, texas. and joining us right now, la hoya police sergeant. if i can get back to the migrants who are all gone. they're not at the facility underneath the overpass as they were, at their height they were up to 30,000 in the early part of september and 20,000 and we can't quite figure where they went to. do you know? >> where they're ending up is what you're asking me? >> yes. >> yeah, well, you know, these people are moving-- they're being moved to texas and out of texas. i'm getting calls from delaware, from new york, from california, where they're asking for their missing loved ones. as a matter of fact as we speak right now, i have officers out there in the brush, looking for a family that got lost during the night. they were separated from the group, a 34-year-old woman and a five-year-old child and hopefully we can find them because we've had come across people that have perished out in the brush because they're getting separated from the groups that are still crossing. >> so i know in 2000 were sent back to haiti directly. 8,000 returned to texas and then i guess moved on elsewhere. in all, 12,400 released into the u.s., although the administration has not shared exactly where in the u.s. but by my rough math then, that leaves unaccountable better than 6,000. you know, you have a tall task just handling the volumes of people there now. i'm just wondering if another surge happens, how do you deal with that? >> you know, we've talked about it with the other agencies that are near us because we are in the front lines with border patrol. we have to assist them. they're spread so thin. right now that they're del rio to reinforce, but what we do, we have the atv's we get out there and reach places that other people cannot reach. just like they use the horses to get to places that trucks can't get to. and the only way that we think that we can deal with this is the same way we've dealt with the surge that we recently had and that is try to get to them and get the people together and take them to get processed. that's a hard task when they're coming out of places that you don't even, you cannot even imagine. they go through places and put themselves in danger and we're going to do our best to work with our federal partners and including texas dps, but it's not if it's going to happen, we know it's when it's going to happen we're doing our best and trying to equip ourselves with better equipment and one of the things we have congress for, our congressmen to try to get funds for better equipment. >> what do you think now when it comes to equipment, for the administration, don't use horses anymore. the president has said that these horses that were used to help, you know, border patrol officers corral some of these illegals, he said that they will pay for their actions. what did you think of that? >> that's unfortunate to hear something like that. it breaks our heart to hear that, i'm a law enforcement officer for over 25 years and i know that almost every officer that i know does it out of their heart and this is our job. and we're tasked with a job. and if our job is to stop crime, then that's what we do. we do it to the best of our ability and given the tools to do it and you know, and if not in the guidelines and using our tools correctly, and sometimes people perceive things differently. it's unfortunate that i've seen this over and over and it's very unfortunate it's happening to the border patrol cowboys that are putting themselves on the line every day when they're out there to the elements and everything else. >> if you had a chance, sheriff, to talk to the president about the remark he made, what would you tell him? >> i think besides them investigating, which is the right thing to do, i think anytime there's an idea or probably something compromised or something has-- somebody has done something that was incorrect, i would ask the president to, if i had the opportunity, neil, to look into this correctly and put-- put yourself just in their place and what they do. you know, it's so hot out there, these men are wearing gear that other men don't wear, the heat is terrible, and the horses are -- it's just so much you have to understand before you try to judge somebody and i say, i think that some people are judging these border patrol agents and i think i would ask the president please take a second look before you judge these men and harshly try to go after them harshly without looking at what these men actually do day in, day out. neil: sergeant, thank you very much for that and thank you for your hard work and men and women's hard work as well. we will have a lot more coming up, of course, you've heard that the c.d.c. effectively said what the fa did, that boosters are okay elderly and compromised immune systems and the like, but the president indicated that it could go further probably should go further than that. what did he mean by that? 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is it worth it? is it about the work force or something about trying to prevent breakthrough infections to prevent severe disease? i think that's where it's unclear and the c.d.c. needs to be clear if they're going to recommend vaccinations more broadly, it's about preventing mild illness so people can go to work than trying to tell people it's preventing them from severe disease and it's clear so it's muddled and we need more clarity. >> where are we going with this though, doctor? will it be handled like the common flu where you get a shot every year and that's the future of this? >> i think we have to step back as a country and ask what goals do we want to covid-19. this is a virus that's not eradicated. it's not eliminated. it's a common respiratory infection that most everybody is going to get and most are going to be mild because they will be occurring in fully vaccinated individuals. if that's the goal then we don't need to chase mild illness with boosters. however, there are people who want to chase mild infections with boosters and i don't think that necessarily fits the goal of trying to preserve hospital capacity because the mild illnesses may require boosters at a high frequency, but i don't think necessarily makes sense. there may be a second generation vaccine that comes along that's much better at preventing breakthrough infections, off would be more like nuisance infections, there's a lot more we have to discuss as a society or what the overafternooning goal would be as we phase into the next section of this pandemic. >> so, doctor, we have vaccines that deal with the mumps, the measles that used to kill a lot of folks and now you get the shots normally as a kid and you never need another shot the rest of your life, but i'm wondering, the data is still, you know, sketchy on the long-term impact and usefulness of the existing vaccines we have. is it your sense that they're good for life or in reality, that we're going to have to check back every couple of years? 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>> well, we haven't seen it yet. you know, it hasn't been drafted so obviously, the bill that has been written is the $1.2 trillion bill we're scheduled to vote on on monday which i had a part this crafting, the problem solving caucus and we're hoping it gets across the finish line that has real hard physical infrastructure. it doesn't open the tax code up at all. it's largely paid for by recapturing covid, unused covid relief money, unused unemployment insurance compensation, so that's very distinct and different from this $3.5 trillion bill that the president is talking about that has not been written yet. clearly it's going to involve tax increases in all likelihood add to the debt. neil: so this $1.2 trillion, i know these figures are all over the map for just the roads and bridges, largely, the infrastructure package, that is slated, nancy pelosi folks, for a monday vote. if that's pushed back because some progressives in the democratic party want it attached to the senate writing off on that 3 1/2 trillion plan first, is it fair to say that all bets are off at that point? >> yeah, neil, there's a big push-pull going on between the moderates and progressives, the progressives are trying to link the two, the moderates, trying to delink the two and it ends up which comes to fruition. speaker pelosi made a split to the progressive democrats that she would -- and we're hoping she'll keep her word and the second 3.5 trillion bill is controversial, it hasn't been written yet and we don't know what's in it. the linkage and delinkage it's on the republican side how much support, g.o.p. support there is. neil: it doesn't look like there will be any for that. let me ask in the meanwhile, about the other thing lost in the sauce. you know, the federal funding, short-term funding effort to prevent the government from shutting down. technically, the 30th, when it could happen, obviously, they could push that back. but your thoughts on that and republicans refusal to help democrats out on this. >> well, the reason that there wasn't cooperation, neil, was that in the cr that was put forth last week, they stripped support for israel and support for the iron dome missile defense system. that has absolutely nothing to do with what we were considering, both the debt ceiling and the cr. so that comes out. i was clearly prepared, as were several of my colleagues prepared to vote for it. we have to keep the government open. we have to pay our bills and we will do that. you know, it's a 60-vote threshold in the senate it's probably best that it starts there and whenever they can agree on, come to the house and pass. >> so just to be clear. they could do this through reconciliation, or a simple majority to get done and that seems to be the pressure that mitch mcconnell is putting on democrats, if you're doing this other stuff on your own, you're on your own raising the debt ceiling. what do you think of that approach? >> i think that's something, neil, you know, there's always been bipartisan support on, you know, paying our bills, maintaining the full faith and credit of the united states. the debate should be on the spending side. once the expenditures are made we clearly have to pay our bills just like any american family does that the expenditures that they make. i don't think that should be the debate. i would urge my colleagues on the republican side, that's the track that we should be taking, cut down on spending and once the extend-- expenditures are made we have to pay our bills. neil: thank you, congressman where your thinking is. fair and balanced, i want going to ed case on the house appropriations committee. congressman, i remember, you too, were concerned about the costs getting out of hand. you think that the $3 1/2 trillion package is a little out of hand? >> first of all i would say that i completely support what brian just said. our focus right now is on the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package and as he noted, speaker pelosi commit today a vote on monday and we expect that vote to go forward. this would be a tremendous accomplishment for any congress, any administration, generational investment in our infrastructure, certainly centerpiece of president biden's agenda and to the point that brian was making, an incredible demonstration we can get across the finish line that congress can actually work. i think that's why the american people support this. it's not just the substance of the bill that's so popular, it's the idea that congress can actually work on a bipartisan basis and that's what we've got to get over the finish line as well. neil: it seems in your party, congressman, that the democrats are having a devil of a time getting, you know, cooperation among each other, progressives who have said in your party, there's no vote on this measure. the infrastructure package on monday, millions the larger one is agreed to. what do you think of that approach? >> well, i think it's wrong. i think that we need to take what we have right in front of us, which is a tremendous accomplishment for, as i already said, across the border on a number of different areas, and i hope and believe that as that vote is taken and you know, sooner or later, you've got to take the vote so you can talk and posture and do the rest of it, but at the end of the day you've got to take the vote and people have to answer a simple choice, do you support a generational in or a central pillar in the budget. and for all of us do you support a congress at that works? i think that's going to happen at the end of the day. as brian pointed out. there has been an attempt to so-called link the two bills, this and reconciliation and clearly, i'm in the camp that, there are two separate bills, now to your point on reconciliation, yes, i do agree that a 3.5 trillion dollar package in absolute numbers is problematic. and i think it's unrealistic, because-- (inaudible) >> i think we lost your audio, congressman, i apologize for that, but again, that was a key point that he mentioned and i'm sorry that on it at the most crucial time. 3 1/2 trillion package, you've heard senator joe manchin, kirsten sinema, democrat from arizona, that that figure should be smaller. there was a time when joe manchin said maybe half the size and i don't know what senator sinema calls a more reasonable figure, but not 3 1/2 trillion. we're hearing from progressives from the democratic party they should be bigger than the 3 1/2 trillion. they're far apart. we'll keep following the developments in the crazy market week over the last few days, it was tumbling on monday and then there was bitcoin and the future of bitcoin. everyone's focused on china cracking down on the large real estate concern that still might go belly up, but its crackdown on bitcoin and what it calls crypto criminals. that's a whole other crisis after this. hey lily, i need a new wireless plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, like asap! so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee... yeah i should've just led with that... with at&t business, you can pick the best plan for each employee and get the best deals on every smartphone. it wasn't long after i had joined golo before i had to start buying new pants. golo changes your whole lifestyle and it changes the way that you think. you don't have to deprive yourself of anything. 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isn't the genie out of the bottle? you have etf's and exchange, many others that are accepting this as payments, country, el salvador and colombia doing just that. is it too late for that? >> i don't think so. the genie may be out of the bottle and maybe what the future looks like 30 or so years from now, but we don't know six months from now. what's going on in china is fascinating because whatever reason they give, bitcoin mining because of the computers to make it and they're concerned about the climate or about criminals using it, which is true. what the chinese are concerned about is control. they want to control what's in the country and they can. by the way, the united states government has a tremendous amount of power to do the same thing, as francis was alluding to and hasn't yet. the government has been behind. so i take your point about the jeanie being out of the bottle, neil, but it's all very experimental right now. and real people don't use this stuff for anything real right now. by and large. >> yeah, we'll see. you know, if i could step back and we were talking about china at the outset here, about the real estate concern there, that's in serious, serious trouble. there are indications right now, francis that it doesn't look like china is doing much to rescue it. and it might try to cushion the blow for local authorities and others that might be impacted and those who bought apartments on the like that are now a fraction of their value, but that's it. it doesn't seem to care that much about the impact of global investors and i was piecing that together with the kind of, in your face tone it's been taking with the most successful companies, about going after some of the most, you know, prominent chinese businessmen, that they're sending a different tune to the world here and i'm wondering if they're resorting or falling back on brutish force rather than capitalist savvy? >> with china i think it's about optics, the central bank did inject yuan into the system. when you have these things default, you milk what we call contagion and it affects other credit markets and that happened in our global financial crisis and people couldn't meet the credit obligations. they did inject money into the system and the public narrative is, we're going to let them fry, we're not going to bail them out to some degree. so i think it's more about optics, they're absolutely going to back stop it. they're not going to let their system have a liquidity issue, i was told not to be complicated over the break, but make sure there's enough money in the system to cover the credit issues which is what our central bank did when we injected trillions into the system. so whatever they're saying on the face, they are injecting money into the system to contain this issue. >> i generally don't believe a word they say, adam. remember in the old days, they had numbers that say our economy grew at 20% in the latest quarter and that's the ticket and it reminded me of john lovitz of those who can remember that character. so i never trusted the number or the data they were providing or even the story line going here and perhaps, francis isn't quite right saying they're doing one thing and quite another. you just don't know, what signal do you think that china is sending and should we be worried about it here? 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>> yes, i found president biden's reactions rather astonishing because he's had on the whole, a very compliant press, probably the most so or at least maybe the most so since the beginning of the press conference back with woodrow wilson over 100 years ago. neil: i wonder, you mentioned woodrow wilson, not that i covered that administration. [laughter] >> but i remember after his stroke, his wife was running things for a while. i don't know if the press knew the details then, but no one really challenged it and people around president wilson shielded him from the outer world, and i'm wondering if there's a bit of shielding going on here? >> yes, i think that there is, which is why president biden's reaction is very surprising. for example, many journalists would like to ask questions like what about the refugees from afghanistan, or over the border, recently from haiti. where are they going? have they be vetted? are they being covid tested or what about the vaccine? there are problems apparently with some people with the vaccine, how do we work through that? those are very relevant questions that journalists would like to ask. but president biden has been shielded from having to answer questions on those topics. >> you know, some presidents that you've reminded me, burt, love the jousting, fdr loved it and certainly john f. kennedy liked an a great deal. when things are hot and controversy, they'd retreat from the press. i'm wondering if there's a better way to keep the communications line open. lo and behold you mentioned the example of all people calvin coolidge. explain to me. >> calvin coolidge had more press conferences per time in office than any other president. he had almost two a week. but they were questions which the reporters had to commit on note cards and he would feel free if the issue was an issue that could not-- he couldn't go into because there were sensitive negotiations, he he would not answer the note cards and most he would answer and one way that he could give information that the press wanted to hear at the same time be shielded from having to answer touchy questions, which i can understand that presidents face. neil: you know, it's just odd to me that it's become such a big production. i don't think that with all respect to you, professor, that the note card would work in this electronic media world today. it might so i'm not to hear it. >> and what about short answers, if john kennedy would answer i don't know, or yes, no. maybe because he's had so many lawyers as presidents, they're carefully parsing the language and barack obama of course, a lawyer, had mile long answers to things and all. and some are cautious in general. ronald reagan would respond and not go into great length, but carefully done. i'm wondering in this day and age why we can't get back to sort of a quicker rat tat tat so people can feel their president is able to address the concerns out there? 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