resources as migrants overwhelm the border there. here's the state's lieutenant governor on fox. >> we were in good shape on the border bill before biden got elected. we were in good shape. the protocols were working, keeping the asylum seekers in mexico. this is not a crisis. this is a full blown disaster that they've created. this is the worst high. we've had higher peaks. this is the worst. what really makes it bad is that there's no end in sight. >> john: in a moment, we'll talk with the mayor of one texas town who was told to tell his residents to raise hell to get more help. >> sandra: first to william la jeunesse. he's at the border in southern california. william? >> reporter: agents tell me they are so busy processing children, unlike a quick covid turn back, which takes minutes. they are not on the line and incenterivizing struggling organizations since they don't have the man power. there's a cost associated to all the images you are seeing beyond the food and shelter that we're providing but a long term cost to tax payers. the less educated a migrant is, the more benefits and welfare they receive, the less they pay in taxes. 57% of illegal immigrants caught at the border have basically an elementary school education or less. 27% high school. 16% some college. here's how it affects taxpayers over time, meaning how much they pay in taxes, less or minus the benefits received. 173,000 are lost with those with a grade school education or less. $70,000 lost for those with high school educations and a net positive for those that attend college. >> the average illegal border crosser in their life time will create a net fiscal drain of about $75,000. all the taxes they pay and all the services they use. >> reporter: so the costs come in a variety of state and federal welfare programs, cash, food, medical, education. advocates and some economists argue any working environment adds more to the economy and their off put off sets any costs. >> my colleagues on the other side have had no qualms of using immigrants as political footballs. in spite of the fact that immigrants put food on our tables, look after our health, take care of our homes and run our small businesses. >> reporter: they've got a 61% increase in unaccompanied minors here. one of the problems is identifying who their parents are and who they might be with because they're not unaccompanied the entire trip, but only when they actually cross the border. >> sandra: huge challenges there. thank you, william. >> john: let's bring in don mclaughlin jr., the mayor of yuvaldi texas. mayor, back in 2019 i remember yuvaldi had really big problems, problems big enough that prompted you to come here to washington, d.c. and seek help from congress. compared to 2019, what is the situation like there now? >> well, 2019 is going to seem like a cake walk. we're getting inundated. we're having 10, 12 high speed chases through our community a week now. we have never seen this before. >> john: when you say 10 to 12 high speed chases, are you talking about car chases through the town? >> car chases running from 95 to 105 miles an hour. with human smugglers bringing immigrants through. they couldn't come through the other way because many are criminal records. >> john: i heard you on a podcast yesterday saying break-ins are up as well. >> they are. we had a lady two weeks ago was at her house that keeps her grand kids. they tried to break into her house. when the alarm went off, they ran. later that evening we found them breaking into another house. this past weekend she had her grand kids again. four men started running to her house. luckily there was a farmer there that was able to come to her aid before we got the border patrol there. there was a time when these immigrants were docile. these are more aggressive. lot of them have criminal records. sexual predators are up 4400% in our region. >> john: we should point out we are seeing pictures from your town up on the screen along with pictures of you and me. the white house still hasn't acknowledged that this is a crisis. they continue to use the word challenge. i guess it's becoming a moot point how you describe it when we see the numbers exploding. in about an hour, we're expected to see customs and border protections say there were 1441 encounters along the southwest border, which would be a new record for february. the white house, at the very least, is acknowledging they have a problem. listen to what the press secretary said yesterday. >> we've been very clear that there is an increase, that there are more children coming across the border than we have facilities for at this point in time. >> john: mr. mayor, who and what is at fault here? >> the federal government. we need to shut our border down. there's a legal way to come across the border and there's a way that needs to be followed. you talk about a covid process. they're telling you 1% is testing positive? it's more like 40%. we are trying to get over a pandemic in our own county, our own country. we are just flooding the gates with these people. the federal government needs to shut this border down and we need to make people come in the right way. >> john: shutting the border down is a sentiment you share with dan patrick. he said the same thing this morning. it does not appear to be the strategy of the biden administration. don mclaughlin jr., good luck with handling this crisis. we'll keep checking in with you. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> john: we will be talking more at the top of next hour about all of this as well. >> sandra: really remarkable hearing the struggles at the local level from that one mayor, john. really good interview. tough stuff. now to the push to get kids back into the classroom, john. we talk about immigration problem happening there. not only are they dealing with this immigration problem, they're dealing with the pandemic. they're dealing with the fact that there are still some kids that are not back in school. this is just the complexity of the issues that some of these small towns are dealing with. you heard the struggle from him. all right. we're told this briefing at the white house has now begun. really important information is going to be provided on the situation at the southern border from the white house in this briefing. let's dip in and listen here. >> -- violence, exacerbationed by climate change. we will address the causes that compel individuals to migrate including providing a foundation for economic and economic opportunity, strengthening civilian security and the rule of law. working across the whole of government, we will look at access to international protection and refugee resettlement and rethinking asylum processes to ensure fair and faster consideration. only by addressing those root causes can we break the cycle of inspiration and provide hope for families who clearly would prefer to stay in their countries and provide a better future for their children. president biden, when he was vice president, visited the region many times and is clear eyed about the challenge. he insists now, as he did then, that governments commit to being true partners in creating the conditions for growth and security. i want to emphasize the funds we're asking for from congress don't go to government leaders. they go to communities, to training, to climate mitigation, violence prevention, anti-gang programs. in other words, they go to the people who otherwise migrate in search of hope. they will have to have the participation of the private sectors in those countries who for too long have evaded taxes, underpaid workers and fail to be part of the solution to creating safe prospers in democratic countries. we have begun to undo the previous administration's policies and to advance a new vision of immigration. we have ended the so called migrant protection protocols which sent people back to mexico to wait, sometimes for years for a chance to present their asylum claims. working with the government of the mexico we have safely admitted 1400 migrants and closed the most dangerous migrants camp. today we are restarting the central american minors program to be reunited with a parent legally in the united states. this program was ended abruptly by the previous administration, leaving around 3,000 children already approved for travel stranded. in phase 2, we will be working to improve the camp program to expand safe and legal avenues to the united states. i want to be clear. neither this announcement nor any of the other measures suggest that anyone, especially children and families with young children, should make the dangerous trip to try and enter the u.s. in an eur rel fashion. the border is not open. going forward, we will continue to look for ways to provide legal avenues in the region for people needing protection while we continue to enforce our laws. this is a process. we have a great deal to do but this administration has made significant progress and we will continue to do so. it reflects who we are as americans, putting our values at the center of our policy. >> thank you. this money the administration is seeking, are you seeking it as part of a larger package or stand alone bill? >> what you'll see, that $4 billion in central american, northern american triangle will be part of our foreign assistance request and will focus on the things we know that work. obviously, it's not our first rodeo. the vice president and president when he was vice president worked on these issues. we know how to get money to communities that are most likely to send migrants, but also that are suffering the greatest effect, two hurricanes this season, etc. it will be part of our foreign assistance package. in the meantime, we are focused on getting humanitarian assistance to these countries after the hurricanes. in that sense, it's part of a larger plan. obviously, there are parts of this that will be on the domestic side as well to fix the whole extent of our immigration processing. >> what is the administration doing right now to work with these home countries to send the message to people, don't come here, don't send your children here? >> i think one of the most important things is to make sure that we get communications right and the message right. i'm happy to repeat that. i think it's also important that we work with the international organizations that have very credible voices and have very good networks among migrants sending communities to disspell the myth and misinformation that smugglers are using. right? when we talk about the border not being open and the ways in which we are trying to disuade people from making that track, the smugglers are conveying the exact opposite to people. we need to get that message out. we also need to be looking at things like the camp program, the central american minors program. how we can make that eligibility greater. but the next step is to look at solutions in the region. right? what more can we do to process people legally, who do require protection so they don't have to make that journey? we're looking at all of those things. >> you said this isn't your first rodeo. shouldn't the administration have been better prepared to handle this influx of children before it changed the policy allowing them to stay in the country? >> i think there's a couple things. i think what we're doing right now is making a difference the home countries, beginning to work with governments. that couldn't start until january 20th. there is one government at a time. you can't start changing processes of government, building facilities. all of this is part of the plan as quickly as possible to make sure that our domestic processes work more smoothly, more quickly, but also to work with foreign governments, and you can't do that obviously until january 20th when you take over. there have been multiple engagements with the government of mexico at very high level with the government of guatemala, with the hondouran government. i think we have gotten off to a big start, fast start in that engagement. >> on honduras how is the administration finding cooperation from that government? particularly, prosecutors who are saying they are trying to flood the u.s. with cocaine? >> one of the things i made in my opening comments is none of the money we are looking to get from congress, from the taxpayers of the united states, goes to government leaders. i don't think that means presidents are unimportant in these countries, but i do think that it's important to understand that we will be working with civil society with international organizations and international ngo's on the ground. we will work with officials that we can work with, but we also think it's important that these countries make commitments really explicit commitments to advancing anti-corruption and in some places that will be hard to do if you've got officials for whom there is a cloud. i think we need to work with the organizations that we can in countries. in some places, we will work with religious organization, ngo's, etc. it is a challenge in countries that have confronted serious corruption risk. >> what mechanism is in place? how do you properly safe guard that funding to make sure it stays out of the hands of the corrupt politicians? >> one of the things that we've always done, always, in 31 years at the state department has done this, we do embassy monitoring. our embassies and the people that we work with are looked at before they are recipients of funds. we do checks. we look at what's being done with the fund. we also don't deliver money in those cases. we deliver training. we deliver new lighting facilities that reduce violence and crime. so a lot of what you do is not handing over blank checks. i think that's really important in this. >> thank you very much. you were talking about restarting cam, etc. reporting shows unaccompanied migrant children are being held in these border patrol facilities on average of 107 hours. that's up from i believe 77 hours on average last week. what is the biden administration doing right now to fix that? >> i think my part of this focus is much more on what we're doing at the end of this process in central america and mexico. i think all of us at every stage of this process are doing everything we can to make sure that children are well cared for and moved into facilities that are appropriate for them. i want to make a point again that it's really important that people not make the dangerous journey in the first place. that we provide them with the information on not making that journey. if i could emphasize that, it's really important that message get out. the perception is not the same as reality, in terms of the border not being open. we want to provide ways for some of these young people to be reunited with family members in the united states. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> you're telling them they should not come. would you describe what's happening on the border as a crisis, given how these numbers are spiking so much week by week? >> i'm not trying to be cute here, but i think the fact of the matter is we have to do what we do regardless of what anybody calls the situation. the fact is, we are all focused on improving the situation on changing to a more humane and efficient system and whatever you call it wouldn't change what we're doing because we have urgency from the president on down to fix our system and make sure that we are better at dealing with the hopes and the dreams of these migrants in their home countries. >> do you think it's a coincidence that as soon as trump and his immigration policy were out and biden and his administration were in, that this historic surge started? >> we've seen surges before. surges tend to respond to hope. there was a significant hope for a more humane policy after four years of pent up demand. so i don't know whether i would call that a coincidence but i would think a more humane policy may be in place may have driven people to make that decision. perhaps more importantly, it definitely drove smugglers to express disinformation, to spread disinformation about what was now possible. >> change in administration brought hope, from your perspective, is this surge good? >> i don't think that's what i just said. it's a reflection of how migrants feel at a particular time. i think what we are doing is making sure that we respond to that hope for people who need protection. we respond to that hope in a way that their cases can be adjudicated more quickly. i don't think anybody would say that coming to the united states in an irregular fashion is a good thing. that's why i have tried repeatedly to dissuade people from listening to those smuggler. we will try everything we can at each end in this, especially in central america and mexico, to ensure that we have safe, ordinarily and legal migration. >> president biden has been very active on working with the northern triangle countries. i was just wondering were there lessons you, he or others in this administration learned about how to deal with those countries or how to deal with foreign aid to them better informing how you're approaching things now? to follow up on what peter was asking. are you concerned of the mixed messaging? because you are offering this talk about a more humanitarian process, that people will not pay attention to the fact that they could apply from home, from their home country, that they could still come, they are still hopeful that there is a conflicting message from washington. >> on the first question, the question of learning things from when the vice president was leading our efforts in central america previously, i think, yes, a resounding yes. both the president and all of us who worked with him on that, for him on that, learned a great deal. i think that it's really important that we put that to use now. one of the things he thinks is so important is being really explicit with leadership in the countries from which migrants are coming about commitments that they need to make because overcoming the reasons people migrate is not going to be the united states job alone. right? if we realize that it's lack of good governance, economic opportunity and security issues our violence, some of those require commitments on anti-corruption, on transparency, on creating governments that function better to provide services for their countries. he's very clear on being sure that we get those. money is not a tap that gets turned on all at once. you have to continued to follow those issues. there are a lotted of things we learned. and ensuring that funds get to the communities that are in need, whether it's post hurricane or unrest or historic drought. i think when you look at the issue of mixed messages, it is difficult at times to convey both hope in the future and the danger that is now. that is what we're trying to do. i will certainly agree that we are trying to walk and crew gum at the same time. we will have legal processes in the future and we're standing those up as soon as we can. but at the same time, you cannot come through irregular means. it's dangerous and the majority of people will be sent out of the united states that is the truth of it. we are trying to send both messages and strugglers are only trying to send one message. that leads me to want to reiterate like we did before. >> can you talk about the private sector. you talk about being explicit with these countries. what can you do to affect change in those countries. >> in the end the implication is that we can't make the changes. we can encourage them. we can help support them with resources, technical assistance and funding, but we can't make those changes. changes have to come in the northern triangle of countries. my own experience is there are myriad of people trying to make those changes. part of what we want to do is empower them. whether that's more effective economic support, whether anti-gang programs. whether it's mothers clubs. all of that gets done by people on the ground. i all think it's really important when you say what leverage do you have. i do think it means sitting down talking about what we can do together. if american taxpayer funds are going to be used that is a certain amount of leverage. is that leverage? funds are sometimes important means of having that conversation. your first question was on remind me. >> let me follow up. >> you can't follow up. you have to go back to the first one. >> are you saying the u.s. could with hold funding, whether it's state department aid or u.s. aid? >> i think the really important thing is we are looking forward to getting this proposal before congress and having congress act on it and what comes after that, i don't know. an executive branch can always adjust things like that. you asked about the private sector. the private sector in all of these countries, central america in particular, is a really important player here. i think to be very honest, we have not seen them step up. one of the mechanisms that was effective under the obama/biden administration was for every dollar that the u.s. put into an assistance program we asked for private sector, local chambers of commerce or business associations to either match up or exceed us. this gives the private sector skin in the game. it makes sure they are part of the solution. if the governments don't always have enough resources to do what they should, to improve the economic activity for people, there are private sector organizations and members of the private sector, the business community, who need to be part of that solution. so we just feel that's really an important element to this. we talked about ngo's. i don't want to leave out the business community as a participant. >> last three. >> just a follow-up on another question. you said you want the empowerment for these countries. can you empower the societies if eliminating the push factor to stop them from coming to this country. how much of it is an international aid policy versus an immigration policy? that's my first question. the second one, if you could speak more specifically about the requirements that you're making to these countries, if there's some anti-corruption conversations. what are the measure of success. >> the first question, i think this is both an international aid issue as well as a policy issue both for us and the countries we're working with. it is clearly a resale issue. you've got reports that suggest that multiple millions of people in guatemala are food insecure. that's something you need to be looking at humanitarian assistance and aid. in the longer term, when you're look at increased natural disasters or you're looking at ways to ensure agricultural policy, changes in countries or that training is given or thar ensuring schools remain in school, those are long term policy questions that need to be addressed with our partners in the region because they all have an impact on whether migration flows increase or not. so when the president talked about root causes, some of this is humanitarian aid. lot of it is policy and aid together making sure that you tackle the root causes of migration. otherwise what you see is continued cycle. specific commitments we would want to discuss with the countries involved and discuss it publicly. >> do you think the president will consider using -- [ inaudible ]. >> outside of the family that was created which is exactly to do that? are you talking about people not in the same country? >> the family that was separated. has the president used any more executive -- >> families separated when in the united states? >> during zero tolerance in the past. >> that's what the family reunification task force is doing. >> nothing beyond that? >> it deals with the whole universe of people decorated during that policy so not that i know of. >> how much appropriated of the $1.4 billion for the border wall that you are not building, how much is left? are you guys redirecting it at all and to what along the border right now? your pred ses tors -- what would you do differently than they did to get that message if it wasn't fixed already. >> first question regarding the border wall. the president has been very clear about ending the national emergency or the emergency of the border that was used to justify the wall and not proceeding with it. the exact legal requirements and where those funds might go, i just don't know. i'm sorry. let me talk about the message issue. it's important to understand that you can't and shouldn't say in this administration's opinion that the only way to message do not come in an irregular fashion is to act as cruelly as you can, return people to places like the migrant camp for up to two plus years at a time. that's the on way you can get your message across. this administration's belief is that we can get our message across that it is a more humane policy by opening up avenues of legal migration which will take those legal options and go through the process of asylum. you have to find different ways to message. if messaging reflects your actions, that is why we are increasing that so you have another option. >> if i may ask a question in spanish. [ question in spanish ] >> sandra: you've been listening to roberta jacobson former ambassador to mexico. john, making some news there as she took questions from reporters on how the biden administration is handling these major challenges at the border. she was asked to describe it as a crisis. she did not do so. she went on to say we are doing what we have to do and that this administration is showing urgency on the situation at the border. she was pressed at one point by a reporter on the children being held, 107 hours on average today. that is up from 77 last week. i didn't really hear an answer to that. other than she was asked how do you fix that? she said that's really not part of her fix, but we're doing everything that we can to help them. what a moment there, as we continue to see this surge at the border, to see the white house taking question. what did you learn, john? >> john: she's playing the long game, not the short game. she's talking about changing the conditions in central american countries that lead people to migrate to the united states but is not dealing with the crisis at the border. the trump administration dealt with it by cutting off aid saying if you're not going to help us, you aren't going to get any money from us. it then brought those countries to the table. the president, president trump that is, was also looking to these countries in the same way ambassador jacobson is, to change the conditions on the ground there so that people don't think that the only alternative they have is to come to the united states. this is a long term thing. it's going to take an awful lot of american money targeting specific the right places to get this done. she said we're not giving this money to governments. we're giving it to ngo's and other organizations. i'm not sure what incentives the leaders have to change that. >> sandra: she said this is a process and we have a great deal to do. the administration, she said, has made significant process. she said it is her job to make sure we have legal migration. she was asked by another reporter in the room why the biden administration wasn't better suited or better prepared to handle a situation it knew was coming its way. she said it's our job to work with the home countries. we couldn't start doing that, she said, until january 20th. that was from the white house. we're going to continue to monitor that. drawing your attention to the corner of your screen, we're watching the vote on the biden covid bill. that is expected to pass. we're monitoring both of those events for you. john? >> john: let's bring in senator bill haggerty. you probably heard some of what ambassador jacobson was saying. that the message coming from the biden administration is that the border is closed, but we are opening up more legal routes to migration for these children that might make the dangerous journeys up through mexico. i said to sandra, she's playing long ball here, not short ball. what is this going to do to change the situation on the border as it is today. >> john, thanks for having me. what we've got at the border is a crisis, yet president biden has gone 50 day without holding a news conference. this is a crisis at the border. it's a crisis of his administration's own doing. i sent a letter to president biden asking them about the immigrant protection protocol, the stay in mexico protocols, that would have made a tremendous different if we held those in place. it dramatically decreased illegal immigration by 75%. we are seeing a complete crisis taking place at the border. he should talk about near term, what's going to happen here. >> john: now, the ambassador did say the message they are trying to send is that the american border is closed which clearly is because 100,000 people crossed it during february. they're trying to put out two messages. the border is closed but we are going to open up legal route, but the smugglers are only sending one message and that is a contrary message that the border is open. which message is winning at this point? >> clearly the batter message is winning. by what's happening today in the house, they're going to offer a $1400 per person bounty for people who cross the border. they are putting forward policies that would put those checks in the hands of illegal immigrants. that's the type of thing that's gonna make this crisis even worse. >> john: senator, do us the favor, if you could hang around there in the rotunda with us for a little while as we kind of bounce back and forth through our coverage. if you'd do that, we'd appreciate it. >> sandra: let's go back to william la jeunesse. we just got an update from the white house, william, as this story moves forward. >> reporter: one thing i heard, they said the border wasn't open. the truth is, it is for some. for unaccompanied minors. i'm told a lot of those minors are not unaccompanied until they are placed over the border. then they have the phone number on them. they will be reunited with a parent in the country. sometimes the parent will find an opening in the wall or fence where the wall ends. they'll come over. they are saying, i'm a mexican, so they will be turned back. sometimes mexico will say, who is abraham lincoln because they want the opportunity to cross again and again. agents told us they are so busy processing those minors that they are not on the line. there will be a border vehicle here and there as a deterrent value. of course, the response time and also the ability to catch individuals. when they are processing children, they are not on the line. they are saying they can't handle the number of people coming over illegally. telling the smugglers don't tell people the border is open when it's not. if you are a smuggler someone in central america, you are coming because they're getting phone calls from family members saying it's working. you can do it and make it over. there's a lot of inconsistencies that i have heard. >> sandra: thanks for the update. i said i would bring in news from the vote on the biden covid bill, widely expected to pass. also in the briefing room, as we await the passing of that, jen psaki said president biden will be signing that bill at the white house friday afternoon. john, looks like $9 billion bill, that's the newest package expected to pass. >> john: $1.9 trillion. >> sandra: sorry. >> john: if you say it fast enough, it's all the same thing. let's go back to senator bill hagerty. do you expect, senator. again, this necessarily was not her balliwick. do you expect anything she said today will diminish the flow of migrants across the border that we are seeing right now? >> i do not. the message has been sent loud and clear. as we spoke about it, they are creating new incentives for illegal immigrants to come across the border. when i reached out to the white house, are they going to give these people work permits? are they going to test them for covid? are they going to vaccinate them before americans? there are incentives on creating this. they're driving this crisis from the white house. a crisis of their own doing. >> john: we had the new numbers for february. 100,441 people expected to go up in march and then again april and may. we brought you on, you are offering up an alternative or competing bill to hr1, the people's voting act. called the protect the electoral college act. what's your problem with hr1 and do you think it has any chance of passing in the senate? >> john, if you like the way the democrats are handling border security, just wait until they get their hands on election security. this so called for the people act is another misnamed act here in washington that should be called for politicians because what it does, it allows democrat, if i were to pass, to federalize our election system. the constitution is very clear article 2 section 1, state legislatures have the sole responsibility for setting the election laws. they are directly responsible to their state's voter. what happens in this bill, they want to take all of that away. they want to incentiize a lot of dangerous precedent. one of the things that concerns me the most is ballot harvest. they will have unlimited bounties to harvest ballots. it will create a lot more concern about the election at a time when we need to be creating more conte dense in our election. >> john: if they don't allow the legislatures to control what's going on, if they were to allow executive orders or court orders to control the election as opposed to the legislators. do you think there's any possibility of hr1 passing the senate? if so, how would that happen? >> not as long as the filibuster stays in place. i cannot imagine a single republican going for this effort. just really a complete power grab by the democrats. >> john: so the only way this would happen is if democrat weres to go nuclear. have you heard any suggestion of that? >> i have heard chipping around at the edges. we're looking to senator manchin keeping their words to maintain the filibuster. they don't want to be in this situation either. it would remove any chance of having bipartisanship. my hope is this will not become law. >> john: you all joined along with senators marcia blackburn, who we will be talking about in our next hour, sending a letter to the cdc director after four researchers at the cdc wrote an op ed in "the usa today" saying the cdc did not follow their guidance when it comes to school openings. what are you saying about that? >> i think the cdc should be listening to the researchers not the teachers unions. we should let them follow the science in this case. we are losing a generational problem we've got with our kids not being in school. this is going to be extraordinarily tough for us to recover. we need to get our parents back to work and children back to school. children are in tough situations. we need to get them back to school. >> sandra: thank you, john. we have been watching the house floor as this vote continues on capitol hill. chad, give us an update on what we are seeing as we just heard once passed the president will be signing this on friday. >> the house of representatives is syncing up with the senate. it's probably going to take the house another 20 minutes before this vote is final. it should pass. we have one of the democrats from maine who voted against the bill the last time. he is the sole no on the board so far. there were two democratic nos last time. jim clyburn said they might split that in half. maybe golden is the only democratic no. republicans argue this bill was a bailout for blue states, especially as money goes to struggling retirement programs. government won't send some of the money to schools until 2023. what remains to be seen is whether this is the final covid bill. house speaker nancy pelosi said that depends on the virus. also the future of the rest of the democratic agenda is in doubt. they may struggle to pass liberal bills on gun, climate change unless they terminate the filibuster in the united states senate. if they pass this bill today, this is the hall mark of president biden legislative agenda, what remains to be seen is whether or not they can move other bills. if this is the on big bill they are able to get through this congress, you can bet republicans are going to see in on that vote and say, look, they voted for all that spending $1.9 trillion in spending. that will be a total of $6 trillion congress will have voted on just in pandemic relief since this time last year. that's the equivalent of a year and a half of extra spending. government spends about $4.1 trillion every year. spo $6 trillion in addition spending has just gone out the door in the past year. they will focus on this. democrats remember what happened to them in 2009 and 2010. they passed obama care. they passed a big stimulus package after president obama took office in early 2009. republicans kind of dog eared those votes and came back and weaponized them in the 2010 mid terms and flipped the house of representatives. the same could happen at this point as well, sandra. >> sandra: republicans' concerns that this is not about the coronavirus virus. nancy pelosi was speaking a short time ago. she said this bill is one of the most transformative and historic bills any of us will ever have the opportunity to support. when you look at the number of zeros in this multitrillion dollar bill, it's a lot, chad. thanks for following it. this is a fox news alert. dozens of new york lawmakers calling on governor cuomo to resign or be impeached. he is facing sexual misconduct claims over six women. the governor is facing pressure to release all the documents related to his 2020 book deal. lawmakers are saying this could prove he was hiding the coronavirus nursing home deaths in order to make that book deal. new york state senate minority leader is joining us. i want to read to you from the new york post editorial board this morning. they are joining those calls saying new york needs answers on governor cuomo's seven figure book deal saying while new yorkers were losing their lives to covid, cuomo linked a book deal worth low to mid seven figures even with blood on his hands king cuomo remains utterly shameless. to that you say what? >> that is why there are calls to impeach this governor. sexual harassment allegations are disturbing, need to be taken very seriously. that's why we called for an independent investigation, which is on going. this governor personally profited, personally profited to the tune of $65 a book according to the reporting. there was 45,000 copies sold which comes out to just shy of $3 million at a time when new yorkers have lost their livelihood, their lives. it was all based on false narrative. this book needs to be moved from nonfiction to fiction. at the end of the day, if he personally profited and covered it up to personally profit, that is an impeachable offense. that's why i support the efforts in the assembly to move forward with impeachment. >> sandra: you were reminded of the emmy he received and the support he was getting from his celebrity friend. now many are pointing out the hi pock krasy of coverage. six cuomo accusers cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs, nbc news. that hypocrisy hurts the way you see the way they've handle sexual misconduct calls. >> if there was any ceo in america facing all of the same allegations that this governor is facing, all the same circumstances, would anyone think that he would still be the ceo of that company. or if he was a school superintendent. certainly if it was a republican or conservative leaning elected official, this would not be happening. we know that. there's pip hypocrisy over this. they didn't take -- remember the first sexual harassment allegation from miss boylan came last month a month ago and it didn't go anywhere. we've been calling about investigations and for information on the nursing home death toll for months. we didn't get it were it not for the attorney general and the empire senator and the new york post and wall street journal and yourself. we still wouldn't know the truth as to what's going on. >> sandra: i have got to leave it there but real quickly, do you think there's any possibility he will step down on his own? >> he said there's not. so that is why we need to take action in the legislature to remove him. >> sandra: appreciate you joining us this afternoon. thank you. john? >> john: white house confirming that president biden did receive a briefing today from his team that went to the border in recent days. we'll hear more about that going forward. custom and border protection set to release new numbers within the hour. we will have reaction from the former acting cdc commissioner, mark morgan, just moments away. check out this lineup coming up in the next hour. stay with us. here's huge news for veteran homeowners. introducing refiplus from newday usa. refiplus lets you refinance at record low rates to save money every month plus you could get an average of $50,000 cash. that's money for security today and money for retirement tomorrow. refiplus, it's only for veterans and it's only from newday usa. if these beautiful idaho potato recipes are just side dishes, then i'm not a real idaho potato farmer. genuine idaho potatoes not just a side dish anymore. always look for the grown in idaho seal. hooh. that spin class was brutal. well you can try using the buick's massaging seat. oohh yeah, that's nice. can i use apple carplay to put some music on? 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what is their plan? >> look, i have been serving this country for 35 years under six administrations, both republican and democrat. sandra, i can say what happened today, what we saw from the white house, was someone who provided more misinformation then and blatant lies. >> sandra: what specifically? >> i'll tell you specifically that the borders are open. william, your reporter you have down there. listen to him. he's there. he knows what he's talking about. of course the borders are open. right now we have an unprecedented of unaccompanied minors. we are seeing greater number of overall. 100,000 in february. since january, they released 11,000 illegal aliens into the country. all of last year it was less than 1,000. i can keep going on with fact based information that our borders are open. real quick. when she says the messaging, sandra, that's a joke. under trump we said don't come. we also backed it up with the proper tools and policies. >> sandra: to that point about messaging jen psaki is answering a question on that right now. >> -- from the region. we had to restart that program. we're working to fix the mess of the last couple of years. it's going to take some time. this is clearly a priority for the president. we are looking at range of options including the opening of additional facilities. it includes steps we can take to expedite the processing. it includes application of the cdc guidelines that just came out that allow for more children to be housed safely in these facilities. we're looking at every option possible to help address the challenges we are facing. >> does the white house think it's a problem when the cdc tells these migrant shelter facilities that they can be at full capacity, when the cdc tells schools they can open in person full capacity, many of them don't. >> is there a school in particular that you have as example that didn't do that? >> aren't most schools in this country at full capacity with in person learning? >> is there a specific school that is not following the cdc guidelines of implementing the mitigation steps so they can reopen? >> cdc is saying you can be -- every school can be at full capacity. >> the cdc guidelines -- just to be clear. this is very important to be very clear and specific on. they gave eight mitigation steps that schools can take to safely reopen. a number of schools have recently reopened. schools in washington, d.c. some have, schools in many districts. each school district needs to make the decision about whether they are able to take these mitigation steps. the president has also been clear some of these schools need additional funding. there's $160 billion in this package that he will sign into law later this week. secretary of epbg kaeugs will be focused on working with districts to help reopen. more school districts are reopening. more kids are in classrooms every day. >> since they are not all back from your perspective, has border patrol, unions and hhs unions been easier to work with than the teachers unions? >> i think that's a little bit of mixing different circumstances. i would say that -- >> sick children all in tight quarters. i mean, that's your own message. >> not quite. i would say that let's take a responsible approach to the two issues, okay. one is schools are reopening. there's been eight mitigation steps that have been announced by the cdc to implement, right. every school district is going to work to implement those on a timeline that they can effectively do. many districts are reopening. many are opening. that is a different circumstance than what we are seeing at the border. hhs oversees these abilities. they're working on ensuring we can have more kids safely. they are working to implement cdc guidelines. there are different circumstances. we are working with the school districts and also working with hhs to ensure kids are treated with safety and care in these facilities. go ahead. >> just a little bit more on the quad. you mentioned one of the issues that will be discussed is how -- >> sandra: jen psaki hitting on two different issues. one addressing the school closures, at the same time being pressed by our own peter doocy. how is it that we don't have kids safely able to return to the classroom when we have is a record number of unaccompanied migrant children coming to our southern border, eve ton the point they're talking about opening more facilities. biden administration discussing possibly using a military base to house these children. really important. marsha blackburn coming up on the school closure situation. >> john: let's bring back the former acting cdc commissioner mark morgan. let's look at the arc of illegal immigration along the southern border. fiscal year 2021 january and february. january 78,000, february 20201, 100,441. compare that to fiscal year 2019, february. 76,000, march 103,000, 109,000 in april, 144,000 in may. we are well ahead of 2019 at least, which was definitely a crisis. where do you see this arc going in the next three months? >> it's just going to continue to increase. not a single mention of those numbers which tells us that it is a full blown crisis. if this administration didn't say what they were going to do, we would see a crisis that paled compared to 2019. we have peak illegal immigration season coming up. numbers are only going to sky rocket. we've seen numbers jump from 3500, 4500 and couple dates near 5,000. it' not slowing down because it's a full blown crisis. but that's exactly what this administration wanted. >> sandra: the white house has taken heat for not holding a formal solo press conference, joe biden at least. yesterday he was touring a ppe facility. biden was not allowed to respond. watch this. >> what about the crisis at the border, sir? >> come on. let's go. >> sandra: in another moment where there was an opportunity to take those questions, answer a question. what about the lack of transparency when it comes to hearing from the president himself how he's dealing with this? >> i think this is a great question for the american people they need to make attention to. i'm being told now there's a lockdown. when i was there, the president himself mandated that we get out there and engage. it's the complete opposite now. this president himself has really created this crisis with the stroke of his pen. it's him, himself, that should have to answer to the american people why they're doing what they're doing. >> john: you said this is exactly what the administration wants. can you articulate that? >> i sure can. lot of people are saying they are dismantling everything. they're implementing their strategy. they will dismantle ice ability to lawfully deport them. they think they will receive political benefit from that. >> john: roberta jacobson was saying we are trying to send the message that the border is closed. >> that's a joke. everything they are doing is the opposite of what they are saying. they got their hand caught in the cookie jar. at the same time they're saying don't come, they're passing amnesty bill. covid to give them covid relief check. they ended catch and release. since january 11,000 people have been released into the united states. everything they're doing is the exact opposite of message don't come. >> sandra: we have some really important questions to get to you if you can stand by. william la jeunesse is live at the southern border in california as this is going on. >> reporter: the white house talked about cost. we have to put in new sepl -- temporary facilities. the tent cities they had in 2019 were about $700 a night. besides the food and processing, there are long term costs we want to look at that taxpayers have to pay for the migrants coming over for the life time they are here in the united states. let's look at education. that's usually the main component here. 57% of illegal immigrants across the border have a grade school education or less. 27% have some high school. about 16% have some college. here are the projected costs of those individuals to taxpayers, meaning the taxpayers that they pay, less the amount of benefits that they receive. $173,000 loss if they only had a primary education, $70,000 last or cost to some who attended some high school. a net positive of those who went to college. once here, they do not leave voluntarily. >> if your attitude is, a person can come, we're just not gonna give them all these public benefits, that's not realistic. once someone steps foot in the united states, it's very hard to bar them from receiving social programs. >> reporter: those costs come from, as we said, variety of welfare programs. you've got food, education, medical care in most states and, of course, education, which is the largest one. $13,000 per head per individual per state. if you just look at the 3,000 or so unaccompanied minors who have come over in the last two weeks, $39 million, so those costs do addup over time. >> sandra: very important information. back to mark morgan. mark, lindsey graham talking about the obvious humanitarian crisis that we face as a nation at our southern border. all to william's point about the money and the economic crisis we face as a result. listen. >> it's a humanitarian crisis. it's going to be an economic crisis for our cities along the border. eventually it will be a national security crisis because they're chin today, but they could easily be terrorists tomorrow. >> sandra: mark? >> he's absolutely right, sandra. we've been saying for a long time this is national and economic security crisis being driven by humanitarian crisis. this isn't just about illegal immigration of those seeking a better opportunity and better life. our borders matter. we need to secure them. we have a multied layer of threats coming that we must be open to address. when we have a humanitarian crisis, it limits our ability to do that effectively. senator graham is absolutely correct. >> john: mark, let me come back to what roberta jacobson was saying earlier, in terms of trying to stem the flow from south american countries. the trump administration did it. but it did it with very strong tactic. with holding aid, closing the border down. she said she wants a more humane way, or the biden administration wants a more humane way of doing it. is what they're doing any more humane than what the trump administration did? >> i get fired up about this. that's outrageous, reckless and irresponsible to keep saying that. here's what i will say is inhumane. for the united states to encourage and incentivize illegal migration. they go through covid hot spots. they're staffed in overcrowded unsanitary places, in tractor trailers. many of them lose their lives. lot of smuggled and being trafficked. that is what's cruel and inhumane, when a government incentiizes that kind of journey. >> sandra: we appreciate your time this afternoon. as promised, we've been monitoring the situation on the house floor with a vote happening moments ago. the results are in. the final vote on the biden covid aid bill. we are getting word it has passed. we'll have the latest. >> john: $1.9 trillion going out the back door. coming up next, cdc accused of ignoring the science when it comes to reopening schools. reaction from senator marsha blackburn minutes away. stay with us. here's huge news for veteran homeowners who need cash. refiplus from newday usa. record low mortgage rates have fallen again, while home values just keep climbing. refiplus lets you refinance at record low rates plus get an average of $50,000 for retirement tomorrow and for peace of mind today. refiplus. it's huge news. it's only for veterans. and it's only from newday usa. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ excuse me ma'am, did you know that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? 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>> i'm hear broken. i think this bill is major mistake, maybe one of the worst bills in 30 years. even my friend may be embarrassed by the massive price tag of this and the huge increase in the debt. there's almost $400 billion blue state bailout for states like new york, illinois, california, new jersey which isn't fair to the people who live in the red states who did it right. i would mention this massive amount of money for the teachers unions. about $135 billion for school, which as you were just mentioning, have been closed for most of the year. out of that $135 billion only $3 billion goes to private schools that have been open. the rest goes to the government schools. i don't understand the logic of that. >> sandra: jason, i'll let you respond. he is pointing to what many republicans are pointing to. there's a lot of money being spent that has nothing to do with the pandemic. >> broader big picture, we're going to have an amazing year in the u.s. economy this year. every forecast for growth has been upgraded since this passed. >> sandra: how about the years after that? >> based on this i think you look at all the forecasters. they are projecting faster economic growth. yeah, i don't love everything in this bill. i don't love everything in every bill congress passes. i'll bet steve didn't like some of what president trump included in his tax cuts. but i think you're gonna see it work, see it transforming the american economy and cutting poverty in half is a little unrelated to the pandemic. >> sandra: there has to be other ways that the economy could have helped without spending this massive amount of money. as it was put in the wall street journal, small businesses were saying, this doesn't open our doors. we don't need or want a check. we just want to operate our business. democrats insist the so called stimulus is necessary to help the unemployed find work. what working parents most need are schools to open. what are holding businesses back are lockdown rules. liberals say the relief checks will give people money to spend. the personal savings rate in 2020 was the highest in 50 years, which suggests consumers already have money to spend, but few places to spend it until the economy fully reopens. was the biden administration listening to what the american people really needed and wanted and they're sitting on all this savings? >> jason and i actually agree. i think the second half of this year we're going to have a boom like you never saw. why is that going to happen? not because of this $1.9 trillion spending bill, but because of operation warped speed, that we have this vaccine that is gonna get our american economy, by the end of april, we should have almost all americans that want the vaccine available. that's a miracle that we are able to do that. now that we have this new development, as we get the state to reopen, we don't need 1.9 trillion. stimulus is giving the economy open. i just got back from florida. florida is open for business. they don't need more money. it's the states that refused to open their schools and their businesses. now we're rewarding them with all this money. >> sandra: some states want to give tax cuts they aren't allowed to do so. more spending is fine, but cutting taxes is barred? >> this year was a good year because operation warp speed started by the trump administration, got it to a great start. the biden administration built on, improved on it. because of ropings happening across the country, that's a wonderful thing. keep your mask on a little bit longer, but there will be a lot of reopenings. and because families are getting cash. the wall street journal survey economic forecasters once a month. they are much more optimistic this month than last month. they knew about the vaccine last month. what happened? the american rescue plan. you give people more money, they spend more money. it's that simple. [ talking at the same time ] >> we got the unemployment rate down to 6%, little over 6%. i think the economy is on a great path. i really worry, as you do, about this debt overhang, the hangover effect we will see in 2022. >> sandra: not to mention if the economy is going to be that robust, will it help if inflation rears its ugly head. things will cost a lot more. all right. we hope the best for the american economy. we appreciate both of you joining us. >> thank you. >> thanks, sandra. >> john: one year ago the head of the who declared coronavirus a pandemic. greg palcott join us. >> reporter: it was a year ago when coronavirus was called what it was, a global health menace. the virus did a lot of damage. take a look. most scientists are certain the disease started in some way in china. covid-19 phase 1 was officially announced december 1, 2019 in wuhan. new reporting thought first transmission was animal to human. took a month for china to break the news. the first dead. >> 41 people are suffering from pneumonia caused by a new type of coronavirus. >> reporter: didn't stay there long. virus soon reached other asian countries and australia. >> we believe the risk of a global pandemic is very much upon us. >> reporter: via a connected world, more countries quickly touched. france had the first case in europe. january 21st, it was in washington state. the world health organization called covid-19 an international public health emergency. still, most cases remain in a few countries. february changed that. the virus spread like wild fire across the globe. experts remain amazed. what happens is you get growth as more people get infected. they go on to affect more and more people. this compounds itself. >> reporter: europe was among several regions that was hit very hard. >> we are facing a crisis. an epidemic is coming. the shelves are empty. what's happening? >> reporter: the u.k. tried to keep calm. >> we are in a position to take the steps that will be necessary. >> reporter: despite efforts by the u.s. to fend off the deadly virus, like locking down travel from china, coronavirus sprung up on the west coast, then east coast, before going nationwide. >> we are considering anything and everything on the table. >> reporter: as cases and deaths mounted, america struggled. >> it's pretty alarming. >> reporter: by march 11, 2020, there were some 120,000 covid-19 case, 4300 death, 112 countries affected including 38 u.s. states. who finally rang the international alarm bell. >> we are deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity and by the alarming levels of inaction. >> reporter: the covid toll now, one year later, nearly 118 million cases over 2.6 million deaths and the world just beginning to climb out. john? >> john: greg, thanks so much. hard to believe a year has gone by already. >> sandra: an incredible look back at what we've all been through. it's been an incredible time for this country and the world. takes me back to some of these individual moments when this was beginning. up next, not only is president biden not answering questions from the press. he's not even taking all the calls he gets from foreign leaders. joe concha standing by with reaction to that, as we hit seven weeks without a news conference from the commander in chief. was that your great-grandmother, keeping the family together? was that your grandfather, paving the way for change. did they brave mother nature... and walk away stronger? did they face the unknown, with resolve...and triumph. ♪♪ there's strength in every family story. learn more about yours. at ancestry. start the year smiling at aspen dental there's strength where new starts happen, every day. get exceptional care at every step, unparalleled safety at every visit, and flexible payment options for every budget. now, during the everyday smiles event new patients get a full exam & set of x-rays with no obligation. no insurance? no worries, it's free. plus, now all patients can get 20% off their treatment plan. find every reason to smile. every day at aspen dental. call 1-800-aspendental or book today at aspendental.com renae is not an influencer, she's more of a groundbreaker. renae runs with us on a john deere 1 series tractor. because out here, you can't fake a job well done. hear renae's story at deere.com so you want to make the best burger ever? then make it! that means cooking day and night until you get... 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again, she is as invisible as mr. biden is. >> john: don't hold your breath, joe. the counting clock still is ticking up. sandra you have to wonder when this will end. >> sandra: the senate firmly confirmed merritt garland as attorney general 70-30. that happening a few moments ago. the news continues to come from capitol hill and the white house this afternoon. we'll follow the breaking news for you and bring it as we get it. now to the royals, john. >> john: coming up next the royal rift has entered cancel culture territory. it has led to a government investigation. abby hornacek is on deck and ready to weigh in. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ excuse me ma'am, did you know that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? thank you! hey, hey, no, no, limu, no limu! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ alright, i brought in ensure max protein... ...to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't (grunting noise) i'll take that. yeeeeeah! 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar drink, play, and win big in the powered by protein challenge! do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? 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>> i think we need a little contest. we don't know everything that's happening there. piers morgan doesn't know. meghan wasn't even there for that conversation. none of us really know what's going on. we should respect privacy, but we as americans love to hear the gossip. >> sandra: they didn't necessarily leave their problems private. that's the point. john, they went very public. that interview with oprah, that's why the world is talking about it. >> john: this has really sparked a huge debate in the u.k. about woke culture, cancel culture being exported from the united states to the u.k. conversation that will continue, but not right this second. we've got to take a commercial break. we'll be right back. these are real people, not actors, who've got their eczema under control. with less eczema, you can show more skin. so roll up those sleeves. and help heal your skin from within with dupixent. dupixent is the first treatment of its kind that continuously treats moderate-to-severe eczema, or atopic dermatitis, even between flare ups. dupixent is a biologic, and not a cream or steroid. many people taking dupixent saw clear or almost clear skin, and, had significantly less itch. don't use if you're allergic to dupixent. serious allergic reactions can occur, including anaphylaxis, which is severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems, such as eye pain or vision changes, or a parasitic infection. if you take asthma medicines, don't change or stop them without talking to your doctor. so help heal your skin from within, and talk to your eczema specialist about dupixent. if your financial situation has changed, we may be able to help. hi sabrina! >>hi jen! so this aveeno® moisturizer goes beyond just soothing sensitive skin? 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"the story" starts now. >> martha: good afternoon. i'm martha maccallum in new york. here's the story right now. new royal fallout this afternoon. meghan markle called piers morgan's boss as he lashed out. the high stakes meeting now set to take place between super power foes, the united states and china. going to happen in alaska. former secretary of state mike pompeo tells us what he believes needs to be front and center in that meeting and a warning to the new administration about how to handle china. first, president jid

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