senator joe lieberman was 82 years old and the news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts now state-run the source tonight, a new war over donald trump's gag order. prosecutors argue that it covers the judges daughter that he's been a talking i'll trump's legal team says it doesn't. a new reaction to our exclusive interview with a sitting federal judge raising alarms that trump's attacks on the judicial system could lead to tyranny. and also tonight, trevor read, it's here, the former marine who is one-celled captive by vladimir putin, now fighting to hold free other us citizen since including evan gershkovich, who was jailed in russia exactly one year ago. today. >> i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source a private fight has exploded into public view tonight between donald trump and the prosecutors who could be the first to make him a convicted felon. the manhattan district attorney's office is now strongly implying that trump is violating that gap. a border that was placed on him just days ago by the judge here in new york in his hush money criminal case when trump attacked judge juan, were sean's daughter. let's get right to former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst, elliott williams tonight. >> because elliott, when you when you read through this, >> the district attorney's office is essentially asking the judge to clarify hi, his gag order. what do you think they mean by that? and what's their argument that trump did violate it >> to be honest, kaitlan by clarify it, they mean add terms to it. the simple fact is the language of the gag order does specifically does not mention sort of additional people beyond a certain sort of enumerate hey, folks and they're using the terms. i think it was clarify and there was one other term but they're really asking for a new gag order. and i think that's the question that the judge has to answer. here. are we merely construing the language of this gag order to apply to family members of judges or we just adding terms to it in which case the judge can rescind the gag order and just issue a new one >> well, trump's team seems to be saying no, the reading of it since this came out has been that it does not include it doesn't include the judge doesn't include the district attorney, and it doesn't include the judges daughter, but they also i noticed that the end of their response seem to be saying kind of a justification for trump's attacks on judge juan merchan's daughter >> they do and look and they also go with a little bit of a dig about the political work that she has done professionally. now, look, i think there's no rational universe in which we think that defendants ought to be able to start going after the family members members of court personnel. but if that's the case, then the court the judge should have put that in the order in the first place and now they're in this odd space where they have a gag order that does not specifically mentioned this class of individual and are now having a party asked him to sort of construe the language of it to be brought in there. so it's a little bit of a stretch i think they can work this out, but the trump folks do have a point that the prosecutors are asking to add terms to a gag order that simply are just not there. >> yeah. we'll see what the judge himself decides to do here. no easy position to be an l eight williams. thank you for that. and with that is the very important backdrop to what is happening what we're witnessing. it's something unprecedented and it's in response to this donald trump relentlessly attacking one of the pillars of our democracy as he is facing that first criminal trial that is going to start just 17 days from now. >> the >> once and potentially future most powerful person in the world is doing what he clearly relishes using his his words as weapons to potentially hurt people, not just the powerful like judges and prosecutors but also private citizens facing his wrath and this time he went so far over the line. he's now on the receiving end of a really extraordinary rebuke it happened here last night on the source. and extremely rare television interview with a sitting federal judge, something you never see. >> and >> based on the intense response to that interview, senior us district judge, reggie walton clearly struck a nerve it's very disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge and it's >> particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they're directed at one's family judge walton knows from experience, he himself and also his daughter had been the target of threats simply because he's on the >> bench and for him, he told me that it's only gotten worse since he's now overseeing some of the january 6 trials just as an aside here. and for those who are critics of him coming out and speaking, this is a federal judge who is used to dealing with some of the most high-profile cases. >> and his >> 42 years on the bench, he's presided over the trial of then vice president dick cheney's chief of staff, scooter libby, the roger clemens trial arguments ever water guantanamo bay, the mla report. >> he was >> nominated or appointed to his judgeships by republican presidents reagan and both bushes, 41.43. that's who judge reggie walton is >> so hearing him >> say this carries a lot of white rule of law, can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm. if we don't have a viable court system, that's able to function efficiently, then we have tyranny >> strong words. they're from judge walton who also i should note in our interview, made a point not to directly attack trump or weigh in on any of the specific cases. he actually never wants said donald trump's name but he did emphasize the responsibility that someone like donald trump has to know how his words can up into lives. look no further than ruby freeman and her daughter, shea maas. you'll remember them as the georgia election workers, simply doing their civic duty in 2020 they ended up in the crosshairs of trump's lies about but are stolen election that wasn't >> there is nowhere i feel safe. >> do >> you know how it feels to have the president of the united states that target you >> my next guest is someone who knows exactly what it's like to be targeted by donald trump. he was one of the five teenagers wrongly accused of raping a jogger in new york's central park i in 1989 after that attac, then businessman donald trump took out this full page ad and several of the city's papers that read, quote, bring back the death penalty, bring back our police except as we, now know, the central park five didn't do it. they were exonerated in 2002. use of salaam, one of the exonerated five. and now in new york city council member is here with me tonight and i'm so glad you're here because as someone who knows what it's like for donald trump to attack you. i mean, you were 16 years old at the time. i should remind everyone >> what's it like to see >> him doing, what he's doing now, 35 years later? >> you when i think about a person like donald trump who is using his power to influence judgment you know, i follow a faith as a muslim that tells us that we shouldn't use our power to influence judgment and here it is 35 years ago for me 1989 what he did by placing an ad in new york city's newspapers had a domino effect where people, the way i describe it really is that it was a whisper into the dark is enclaves of society for them to do to us what they had done to me till we have a long history of oppression in this country when it comes to black people in general when i think about a person like donald trump who's in power, who is trying to use influence, his influence to affect the outcome of elections. to be a person who says, look at the shiny apple and that be a sneaker or any of the other things, you know that whisper that influence that causes people to say, well, i'll take care of it. and hope i'm saying the people that do this hope that they will garner the favor of a president. that is moving tyrannical like that. >> you talked about? not moment, how how he was it felt like he was kind of directing people toward you and you were scared, you were at home. you're with your families, you're 16 years old. i mean, you put this letter tonight that you got from an anonymous person could you just read it for me to share what what someone said >> you know, i carry this with me as a reminder that i can't live in fear i have to live full so that i can die empty. but this letter right here says the lord will punish yousef for what he did to that poor defenseless girl. then directing their attention to my mother you will also be punished for raising such an animal he does not to deserve to live. and neither do you, folks synthase to us. they sent us letters like this. i have a whole >> bill full full of them and it was all on the heels of that ad that donald trump, please, the new york city's newspapers, even folks like that, you can, and several, let's just take korey wise and hang him from a tree in central park. he was urging us to do this by june 1 and they sent that to your house? >> yes >> i mean, it makes your stomach turn to think of you as a sixteen-year-old no one you didn't do this reading that. and for your mont after read that, you know, the worst part is that my mother did read this and she kept this away from me. i didn't even know this was in my apartment for the whole time that i was in prison, i came home to a box of letters that i had sent my mother and attached to them was a little stack of mail that contain all of these letters. and as i read them the first thing i thought was how strong my mother could have been to still continue forward unafraid unapologetic, standing up for herself, standing up for me, standing up for my brother, my sister. and she's always been like that and i think that that's the real strength of what these types of things potentially can do when you push back that fear that they're trying to posit inside of you as false evidence appearing real. >> it must make you i mean, to think of the judges daughter here. >> she's >> worked for democratic campaigns, but, but she's being targeted by name, by donald trump as y'all were as well. i mean, i just there was this moment from trump back then as a businessman and i just want to remind people that kind of things that he was saying about, you well, i have hatred for them and i said, look, this woman was raped, mugged, and thrown off a building, thrown >> off a building on top of everything else. she's virtually i mean, she's it's got some major problems to put it mildly. i said, of course i hate these people let's all hate these people because maybe hate is what we need if we're going to get something done i think just listening that to that. i think of the power he had then now the influences this big shot business guy in new york but to now, i mean he's a former president who may be precedent again, wow >> you know, i'm, i'm, i'm lost for words but unfortunately i hate to say this. this is as american as apple pie this is america when we look at the history of america, when we look at the fact that good people have tried to advance us into becoming a united states of america. and there are people that continue to divide us, that continued to make sure that even though we're in the melting part of the kaleidoscope of the human family that there's great opportunity here for us to be able to thrive >> but yet >> oppression keeps the foot or the knee, or the hand around our next >> this allowing us to really >> reach their full potential when people use their influence and power to keep people afraid to even stand up or say anything and even directing that vitriol at their family members who have nothing to do with anything associated with the judgment this is where the real problem lines and i think we need more good people to do the right thing to ensure. in fact. and really to know that you will be protected by the hedge of god that you are here to do. a very specific thing. and even in the country that says you're innocent until proven guilty, i didn't get that opportunity and so when i talked about donald trump, hoping that he received all of the legal remedies associated with law. >> i >> talked about what i didn't receive hoping that he would go through the process and get all that. he is justly due you talk about people speaking out. do you think judge reggie walton, by coming out and doing something that no federal whole charge really ever does and just talking about the threats and that there are real and that hit his fear was he said any reasonable thinking person with the would appreciate the impact that rhetoric like what trump is using has on people this is not a game you know, at the end of the day for a person to be as courageous as he to stand up and talk about what's at stake we need to understand as we'll lay people watching this, this is almost like a tv show, a program. but the truth of the matter is that we are watching this. and at the same time we are seeing someone curve rages, say this is what, this is what we're facing every day when we try to uphold the law there's so many people who are trying to keep us in the dark. but that true fight that we're fighting against spiritual wickedness in high and low places. and so we have to continue to just try to add more light so that that darkness dissipates. that's what this is all about >> you said. so i'm always appreciate hearing from you. thank you for coming on and put that in perspective for us. >> thank you as well >> we'll have much more on his ahead. and really what this moment means in a historical sense. after this plus marine veteran trevor read is also going to join us he's a former russian detainee as well. he'll talk about the fight to bring 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and how he's targeting this judge. and more importantly, the judges daughter that we've been talking about in this case, i wonder if any of this based on what you look at in the past, if any of it surprises you >> well, it's shocking on its face, but it's not surprising if you know the behavior of donald trump, kaitlan minutes. this is somebody who employs tactics to his own. eddie is pause the scorched earth tactics when they sued him. rjags call me when he was fired as fbi director by trump early in trump's term, likened trump to a mob boss and this is the kind of behavior we see not from a president or a former president, but from a mafia boss is something you see in a movie about the mob, not from a former president. so in that respect, it's shocking. but we've always had demagogues rise up bail fully in american life in the 20th century alone, we had father charles coughlin and joe mccarthy and george wallace. but the difference is they didn't have the power of the president is it nc and they didn't have a cult of personality surrounding them that donald trump has that almost makes him immune from criticism, at least among his base for this kind of outrageous behavior, kaitlan well, and the other side of that is that as trump is doing this, you're hearing from people we typically what here from we would never hear from a sitting federal judge to come out and say what judge walton said last night, which is that these attacks on the judiciary aren't just happening in a vacuum that he believes it could actually up and democracy that it could result in tyranny if we can't have this effective judicial branch that isn't scared to do their job obs because they're facing threats of potential physical violence. >> well, john adams, one of our founding fathers call this a nation of laws and not menn, we live by guiding rules and regulations. that is the basis of our society. a president puts his hand on the bible and swears to abide by the constitution, which is our set of rules. so he's absolutely right. if you don't have respect for law in this country, you are holding our most basic democratic principles in contempt. we are a nation in of laws and not man and donald trump frequently talks about abiding by law and order, but he often thumbs his nose at the law, and the rule of law and disregards the disorder. it it causes caitlin markup to have growth. >> a great to have you put this in perspective tonight. thank you for joining us >> thank you >> as we talk about the importance of this moment, the fact that donald trump is the presumptive republican nominee. we are learning new details tonight about that effort to get back in the white house and a billionaire breakfast that involved and it could give donald trump the boost that he needs. when it comes to what he is fundraising. we reported on trump's private meeting with elon musk and florida earlier this month, you'll remember that. >> but >> what we didn't know until now was who else was there. it turns out they whole bunch of other billionaires, the washington post reports that they were joined by republican megadonor nelson peltz, that cosine mogul steve wynn, and also the former marvel chairman isaac perlmutter. >> now, you >> may be wondering, why does it matter that former president had breakfast with all these billionaires? >> will it does because >> of which particular billionaires it was just three years ago, the peltz said that the january 6 capital was a disgrace and that he was sorry, heating ever voted for donald trump. now he tells the financial time, so probably vote for him in november. he's not the only one. there are also a handful of other billionaires according to the washington post and their new report, who are coming around on trump quietly throwing their support, but more importantly, their money behind the former president i want to bring in cnn political commentator van jones, who worked in the obama administration and cnn's senior political commentator, scott jennings, who is a senior advisor to mitch mcconnell. and it's got i just speak to the moment of, you know, what we're watching this political comeback of donald trump's yeah, it's pretty remarkable actually, but i hate to break it to you guys. it's not just billionaires. i mean, if you look at the polling on what people say, whether they approve of donald trump's job versus joe biden's job in office. donald trump is in positive territory. people remember his years finally, because they're comparing it to joe biden administration. and i think what's happening with these billionaires and other republicans and donors is that they had no idea that joe biden was going to run administration like this. he ran a campaign as a moderate deal-maker, a transformational are transitional figure and he's turned out to be a real ultra progressive president, probably the most liberal progressive president we've ever had. so i think that's why you're seeing people returned to the foal for donald trump right now. >> well, but quickly on that, scott none of us are billionaires on this panel that i'm aware of at least, but this sense that they're doing it so quietly don't, don't you think it's also that they're just really wealthy and they want to be close to whoever is in power because it will affect them and their money potentially >> sure. i mean, i assume they're like any other by the way, vans closest, if you're keeping right. >> but i assume there like any other american voter, they're looking at this administration and saying none of this is good for me and maybe they're thinking it's not good for the country. and so they like the rest of us are probably casting around, which politician might be giving them the best deal based on what policy actions they would take. so i cannot underscore enough though there are republicans who are deeply unsatisfying it's fine with trump. after january 6, who are coming. this is happening across the board, who are coming back around based on what they've seen out of biden. it is biden's fault for being too ultra progressive and not being a more middle of the road president, then what do you make of all this? >> i just love my brother scott. i just i see it very differently. i don't know what ultra liberal president he's talking about you have a bipartisan infrastructure bill. the chips act to keep by china from destroying our technology capability, making sure we're strong here, which particular bill are you talking about? most of them passed on a bipartisan basis. and by the way, the economy feels bad for most people because food prices are stuck up too high and housing is too high. but the unemployment rate is low. gas prices are comparatively low. the stock market is up like this, this idea that we're living through some hellscape with this crazy liberal present and before with donald trump, everything was so wonderful. i just don't we're living in different realities. i remember everybody waking up afraid to check their phone every morning because donald trump was that do something else? tarik terrifying or crazy or norm busting. and i also remember him dropping the ball in the middle of the pandemic and put nothing too. one of the words course for essentially the overhead. so i don't know why these billionaires are doing what they're doing. i will say this donald trump's ability to consolidate the support he's consolidating should scare the crap out. everybody because you we've just spent the first 26 minutes of this show laying out a mobster style approach to power on behalf of this person. and he gets power again none of the people who are around him right now will be safe. as the billionaires who supported putin and who wound up in all kinds of trouble. there's a trouble, troubles that i did defend my president had defend our president. but as a troublesome development, some billionaires have more concerned about their economic value than their democratic values. >> well, van on that note and what you just laid out, and i'll it's gotta wanna get your take on this too. but van first you, the washington post or excuse me, politico, jonathan martin is reporting that in this moment, all of the people who, the republicans who are not voting for donald trump, that or not? supporting him. and it made very clear, including on the showed that they will not be voting for him in november mitt romney, mike pence, susan collins, larry hogan, chris christie george w bush. none of them have heard from joe biden why is that? do you think you should reach out to them >> well, if he hasn't, i would call that political malpractice. we need the biggest broadest tent possible. the pro-democracy forces, the anti-authoritarian forces include republicans, independent green party libertarian, democrats. in further to the left and democratic gratz all have an interest in making sure we don't have an authoritarian in the white house. and so biden has not reached out to them. i look, it's still it's still it's still early the night. opill pick up the phone to it right now. >> scott, what do you think? >> i think everything joe biden does is aimed at democrats or people who consider themselves to be more liberal than democrats. i think he does very little to nothing to aim at the middle of the country or the center, right? that you're talking about they could probably be had and he didn't do it in the state of the union. they don't do it in their campaign messaging. maybe they'll get there someday, but i don't see evidence of it so far. >> we'll see what the progress i mean, the progressives would agree, disagree with you on that, but we'll see how this all shakes out. van jones, scott jennings is always great to have you on. let me know when you become a billionaire other that moving on to our other big story of today today's important, the shirt that i'm wearing, a shirt that i'm wearing for a reason because today marks one year since evan gershkovich has been 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paying tribute to its report are leaving it's an empty space on its front page today for evan and his stolen stories. my next guess is really the only person who can talk about both of these topics. trevor read a us marine who was detained in a russian prison for three years, and now is thankfully back in the united states and trevor, i mean, you know what it's like, you have this idea and you're just, you're one of these few people who is experienced this personally. and i wonder how you're reflecting on this one year of evan being wrongfully detained? >> yeah i think the first year of detention is probably one of the most difficult the first year that you're in there, you're kind of being bombarded with with all these different experiences from this, kind of denial that you have, that it's actually happening trying to organize and speak to your family, to the us state department figuring out how to communicate, how to talk to the other prisoners learning how the administration work. so there's a lot there you go through i'm not first year >> we were at the wall street journal. newsroom there bureau here, new york yesterday talking to their journals, just how they're processing it. and one of the parts of this, when you read evans reporting that he did for the moscow times, he talked about people who are being held, getting their sentences extended by 15 days, by 30 days, and kind of the mental punishment you go through of not knowing how long it's going to be extended the next time right? so at the >> beginning, there, when you're in the kohut the slutsky one is allowed, which means like the? investigation isolator basically are pretrial detention facility. you're being constantly every month at the beginning, sent back to court to go have your time in prison extended there's a chance and some of those chords that you could be given house arrest or bail. but it's all facades. so unless you're someone who has an incredible amount of money to bribe the prosecutor or the judges with pretty much no one has given house arrest or bail. so they have in their system to kind of show that they have working judicial system, but it's a facade well, and when you're not in that courtroom, he's in prison. yeah. and use a few days in the prison that he is being held in. and you described it once, is the most sinister of all of the sixth prisons that you were in. i mean, what is it like inside of there? >> so the conditions i would say in lefortovo prison, we're probably a little bit better than a lot of the other prisons that i was in. the atmosphere is completely different there. so that is an fsb prison which is completely locked down if you leave the cell, they've made sure that all of the other cells in the entire prison are closed so that you don't ever have any contact with any other prisoners. you don't ever see another prisoner? when you're taken out of the cell to go up to the top floor to do your your one hour walk around in a circle inside of another cell there's no way to communicate with the other prisoners there. so unless you've been given a soulmate or something like that, very little communication with other human beings the guards are not going to talk to you. the contractors who deliver food are not going to talk to you and they censor all of your mail there. so all that stuff is strictly controlled. >> as someone who knows what it's like for your parents we know your parents for the english that they were in as they waited for the biden administration and for your release to be negotiated. i mean what would you say? like what's your message to the white house about what evans living through and the message to keep trying basically i would say that i understand that these types of things can be difficult from a political perspective. obviously you're to receive criticism either way, if you, if you do decide to do something and how people are going to criticize you if you don't, pupil are going to criticize you but i think it comes down to making the ethical decision and getting evan out of there, getting paul whelan out, who's been in there now for five five years, and three months and lots of other americans who were wrongfully detained. i think that's not only the ethically correct thing to do, but that's also a duty that we have as an american and as the president of the united states, i think that's something especially important president biden made the right decision to get me out of there. i know that was tough to make that decision but i think he needs to continue to do that. and if he needs to impose costs on russia for taking hostages. do that by all means but still work on getting americans home. >> trevor raid always grateful for your time >> thank you >> of course. we here at cnn agree with the wall street journal that journalism is not a crime, and that evan should be brought home and we will continue to follow that story ahead here tonight, we do have some major news coming out of that 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trump international golf club trophy at long last, sir, have you know, chip shot? >> we'll look i'd be happy to play. i told him as before, when he came into the oval, when he was being is before you go sworn in i said i'll give you three strokes if you carry your own bag stephen colbert and president biden, they're making poking fawn at trump's >> expense last night at that star-studded fundraiser here in new york, the media wasn't allowed in, but the biden campaign made sure that that moment got out. joining me now is a man who wrote the book about trump's golfing etiquette, or maybe he would say lack thereof commander in chief, how golf explains trump and sportswriter rick riley joins me now, and work. i mean, you have were reported extensively on trump's golf game. i can just remind us what it's like to be on the golf course with him well, his he jerry rigs his golf cart, so it goes three times as fast as yours and theirs. that's how he gets ahead of you by 200 yards, which allows him to kick it. those lit set it up. he has these green teas that when he's in the rough, he literally ties it up in the raf, which is it's so far out of the room of the rules >> so he's >> always way ahead. he took with me one time, seven mulligan and a gimme chipping, which i've never heard of and then you always, luis, to them, even though you have no idea what you just went through >> you said, you know, what, you never heard of? what did he does >> he so when you play golf, you tie up the ball on the tee box, right? >> yeah. well, he orders a thousands of these green lawn green teas. so his caddies tee up his balls in the rough so that it looks like he just had a great shot out of the roof, but there's actually a de there the lace? diabolical i've never heard of some of the things he does to cheat. for instance, he says he's 123 club championships. well, do you remember that time you went to diamond and silks funeral? i think it was alabama or something north because they tournament going on >> thank you. >> there's a two-day tournament going on in florida. he missed one of the days he came back setting one the two day tournament and they said, how and he said, well, i've put in a really strong round earlier in the week i don't care about politics much, but i care about the game of golf. and he's leaving a big orange stain on the golf and i'm afraid people are just going to turn away from it and think we all cheat. we don't cheat this guy cheats well, i mean, what am what about the other 22 is the word what about the other 22 championships >> okay. he told me how you want them. he said what i do is when i buy a new course i play the first round by myself, and then i'm the club champion. how do you repeat that >> he wants one club championship, caitlin, when he was in north korea, they held one back in america. and some guy wanted trump season month later and says, well, you didn't beat me, so you're not the champ. and suddenly he was the one time he called in a score from philly to a tournament and he was having at minster and decided he was the champ one time he walked in, ms the tournament completely. he looked at the guy who'd one on the trophy. bohr said, i tech guy all the time and they had to take this poor guy's name off and put your doubtful that he's winning championships beating golfers who are their 20s and 30s but he's in his late '70s now >> doubtful. i wrote a whole book about it i couldn't find one single tournament wasn't a complete sham. now, just so you know he's never want to add a course that he didn't write. he's played in the pebble beach pro-am, played regular celebrity. can never, never come. >> there we unfortunately out of time, we're going to bring you back to talk more about those other tetr. so temperatures when it gets to rick riley as always. thank you so much up next year for us, a fascinating new memoir that is going to meet from a very familiar face. it reveals all kinds it's a rock and surprising 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seeds that were planted in a kind of bumpy path during my turbulent teenage years that allowed me i think to have this journalism career and to have the fix skim that i have developed well, i kinda help to fare better and cable news, i think so right? >> i mean, i think so. like for instance, you have a really tough skin. i would love to know what the formative experiences were that allowed you to be so great in a confrontational interview, i feel like i developed as a lot of stuff as a teenager that allowed me to interview murderers in prisons and rapists in their jail cells, as well as slippery hey politicians and everybody else, heads of state. and i think that i do trace it back to those years when i was fending for myself as a teenager. >> well, and in those years when you're funding >> for yourself, i mean, you're going you're following the band, shrapnel. that was my one obsession. it when reading this book, i mean, what what was your obsession with shrapnel? tell us about o by begin. i'm not really bad for those at my local hometown band. okay, so from shrewsbury, new jersey, it's two square miles. so we all knew each other. these were basically the older brothers of my friends. okay and they were so electric and so charismatic. and the band was so great and i loved their songs so it wasn't really that i was into punk rock. i was into shrapnel and along with shrapnel came this entire punk rock cbgb's milieu that i entered at a very young age when he wrote this book though, i mean, there's a lot of this cool scene and you're coming of age but you're also 16 and that's a tender age. and it's frightening. some of the experiences you read through when you read through the lens of that should not be something is 16 is experiencing for sure >> the '80s were a >> particularly free-range on parented time i wasn't the only person who was semi parented are on parented that there were a lot of us, but i was i would say an extreme. so i was the only child of divorce distracted parents who had their own things going on and i was left to kind of roam around with my band of other music loving team majors. and we were definitely in dicey situations in the bowery in new york outside of cbgb, or just even in our hometown doing things that we shouldn't have been doing. >> a >> personally, i feel that the pendulum has swung too far to the point where we're now helicopter parenting all of our teenagers and bubble wrapping them but. there has to be a happy medium because i was at the other extreme you write about your mom. i mean, she was moving you around a lot and finally at 16, you were like, i can't move around and you write about how she wanted you to wait until she was dead to write this book. but you actually ended up interviewing her as you wrote it. how was that? >> i went back and interviewed every prime emory person in the book because i'm a journalist and because i didn't want to just rely on my memory, my mother was the toughest one because she doesn't want all of these stories published. she's from a different generation that's not as confessional and is open as we are but she has always believed in me and she's always been a big cheerleader of mine. and so she was very torn between wanting me to do this and knowing that it might be a good book and not wanting me to talk about her at all. ultimately, i interviewed her and i found out what she was going through when i was 15, she was 41 she wanted good a certain path for her life. i wanted a different path for my life and it really i think was healing, being able to hear her perspective and some of the secrets that she was keeping at that time that i didn't know about allison camera. i've always appreciated you, but reading this book, i mean, it just, it's amazing and it's so great. i think everyone should read it. i really appreciate that. thanks for reading. the book is combat, loveveryone should read it as on sale now. anyo