>> it is historic it is unprecedented, and it is on this morning, there are two presumptive presidential nominees for the longest stretch we have ever seen. we've got new reporting on how both campaigns are attacking this period. >> and >> extinction level threat to humans. the new warning now from the state department about the possible impacts of artificial intelligence and banning one of the world's most popular social media apps. the major vote against tiktok before the house today as the nation's top intel chief warns, china could try to use that app to metal the 2024 elections. i'm kate bolduan with john berman sara is out today. this is cnn news central >> this morning or jiu presumptuous, aren't we all actually the right word is presumptive, and it is not really us. it is them. president biden and donald trump overnight they became the presumptive nominees for president. they may be presumptuous to, but that's not an issue here. >> this morning. they are both secured enough delegates to get their party's nominations. they are presumptive because does not become official until the conventions this summer. so now we kick off what might be the most historic and important presumptive election stretch in history. now, we assume, you know, they ran against each other before though they say, we should never assume because it makes an out of you and me this morning, president biden heads to wisconsin, a key swing-state. he won once it needs to win again, he will discuss his new tax health care and climate plans as for donald trump, he will take the presumptive road less traveled, literally, he has not left florida in days. he is preparing for a key court date and made moves overnight to be prepared to challenge an election that is just barely beginning cnn's alayna treene is with us now covering the trump campaign with the latest, the beginning of this really incredible presumptive stretch. we're on alayna >> well, you're exactly right, john. i mean, there was no question going into last night that both joe biden and donald trump would be their parties respective nominees. but it was important because it really cemented that status front. they now have the necessary delegates to formally clinch the nomination, come the conventions this summer, but look, donald trump had already been acting like a general election candidate even before nikki haley dropped out. but now comes the hard work and his team recognizes where his weaknesses are. i'm told that they are focused heavily and specifically in seven key battle oh, ground states that includes arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, among others, and their focus is really going to be trying to peel off specific voting blocs from joe biden ones. they know that he had a lot of support with in 2020, but they think he can gain ground with ahead of 2024 and november part of that is black male voters in georgia, hispanic voters in arizona, working class and union voters in michigan, they recognize that they're not going to be able to totally change these demographics, but they want to siphon off enough support to offset some of the other areas of concerns, like with independent voters and suburban voters that they know donald trump needs to work on now, donald trump in response to him clinching the nomination, or i should say, receiving enough delegates to clinch the nomination last night, he did issue a video response and he addressed that the next eight months are going to be tough. take a listen to how he put it we're not going to take time to celebrate will celebrate in eight months when the election is over, november >> 5, i believe will go down as the most important day in the history of our country. >> now, john, i also just want to point you to another strategy, an area that they're focusing on. now in earnest, that he is the presumptive nominee, and that is what the rnc we know that donald trump had overhauled the rnc. we saw him install his hand pick leaders. michael whatley as chairman, his daughter-in-law, lara trump, to serve as co-chair but we've learned overnight that there also shifting to a new focus. and that's election integrity. chris lacivita, one of donald trump's top advisers on the campaign, who is also now has a top role at the rnc, picked two people, one of republican lawyer, charlie spies, and also christina bobb, a former one, america news network correspondent to focus on election integrity specifically. and so we're really seeing them already kinda preview one of their key focuses as they gear up for this general election and it's going to continue to be what we saw in 2020, which is their focus on potential fraud in november. and i also just want to point out that this focus on the left should integrity is something that donald trump cares very much about. it's one of the reasons he was so angry with the former chairwoman of the rnc, ronna mcdaniel. he had really was frustrated with her for what he argued was them not doing enough in 2022 battle his claims of election fraud. and so we're seeing that really play out now with how he's trying to put his imprint on the rnc in the republican party overall >> well, it also has obvious pr implications given that he is charged with trying to overturn the results of an election, speaking of election integrity, alayna treene, great to see you this morning. thank you very much. >> well, i'm sure presumptuous >> okay. >> so as president biden officially locks in, the presumptive, democratic nominee status of zone. he is hitting the road, continuing his focus on battleground states today, it's wisconsin, which biden won by only 20,000 votes last time around. priscilla alvarez flores is following this for us from the white house this morning. what is the pitch to wisconsin voters today >> look, this is a battleground state that the president and his campaign have their eyes on him when he goes to wisconsin today, he will be opening up a campaign headquarters to mobilize voters and helping that outreach to voters in the state, but also touting infrastructure projects. yet another theme of his campaign. and after this visit to wisconsin, heel goes straight to michigan. another battleground state. this is a pitch that already sorted yesterday, the president met with the teamsters, a critical union with 1.3 million members that the president is trying to secure an endorsement from two bolster his coalition, especially that among unions, it just goes to show that the president and the campaign are really trying to target these battleground states to make sure that it can secure them again in 2024, knowing it's going to be very close margins. and it's all as the campaign pivots toward the general election. in earnest, the president saying in a statement yesterday that he was honored to clinch the democratic nomination and putting out this video in response now georgia played a key role in putting president biden over the top campaign officials called that quote, the cherry on top, georgia was a state of the president, also won narrowly in 2020 also one that he visited over the weekend trying to get voters to the polls. that's a key state also because there aren't any of those statewide races that would bolster voter turnout in the way that was the case in previous years. so it's going to have to stem directly from enthusiasm for president biden. so all of that coming together as the president continues to hit the trail and make his case for a second term in office. >> it's good to see you, priscilla. thank you, john. >> all right. a vote. just hours away on capitol hill, time could be running out for tiktok a new warning from vladimir putin about nuclear weapons as ukraine carries out its largest drone attack overnight. and the judge in georgia's election subversion case says he could rule at any moment on whether to remove fulton county da fani willis from the case? >> we're here to get your side of the store >> why do we 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download in the united states? with me now is tik content creator in small business owner, summer, lucille summer, thanks so much for being with as you were in washington, lobbying lawmakers, trying to convince members of congress to vote no on this bill. why? >> because arm wants to be the voice for 100 million tiktokers and people in american people in this country, that it had that tiktok has impacted in connected with and represent my business >> how important is it to your business? >> tik tok has changed my life. when i got on tiktok in 2022, it changed my life forever. i was able to gain followers. i was able to connect with my community. i was able to grow my business in upset scale to a warehouse of 15,000 square feet. get a brick-and-mortar into the mall location. it changed my life forever. i have people flying in from california, the uk, seattle, new york, just a visit. my store, just because they heard about me from tiktok so how would it change your business if tiktok were owned by an american company instead of a chinese company >> i believe it would change the demand dynamics of tiktok. it would change the culture of tiktok we will be limited to what we can say and limit what we can do which is against the american way. so that's, i feel that it will change the culture of tiktok being owned by any other entity. >> well, i guess what i'm saying here, i mean, there are members of congress, national security experts, us intelligence that have concerns about chinese influence over this parent company. do you have any concerns about the national security implications of this? >> no, i do not take tok has spent the most money and resources that have thousands and thousands of employees that work. one just that in of protecting us and the american people. no other platform has made any type of attempt to protect us, like tiktok >> is there anything that anyone could say or show you that would convince you that it might not be a great idea to have this level of chinese influence over a company that's this powerful they do not have influence. i think if we sit down and we understand and reread the bill and you understand and you listened to the ceo. we all would come to the conclusion and understand they do not have any influence over the app. that's where the midst the misunderstanding. i think lies with the american people. people. they do not have influence over us are over tiktok and we have to give american people credit. we are smart. >> we're not going to let somebody just >> influenced us, right? where the american, average american people, person is smart, right? so would that be and say if you read it and you look at the truth and you read the paperwork, and you look at the bill and you listen to the ceo. you will see that there is no connection with china and tiktok. >> how would you feel? about a >> politician who voted to ban tiktok? could you ever vote from one of these members of congress if they do vote for this ban if 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bad as it gets a report paid for by the us state department found ai poses a quote extinction let level threat to the human species and is urging the us government to take action. now, cnn's matt egan is here. i am all for preventing extinction. matt, tell us about his report. yeah. john, if you're looking for some light reading, stay away from this report because it's almost 300 pages is along and it is as scary as any i find novel out there. >> they're basically laying out two central dangers here, right? the first one is that ai systems could become weaponized. the second is that they could become so advanced that we lose control of them. let me read you a cue line from this report. they write given the potential capabilities of such a system, in the worst-case, such a loss of control could pose an extinction-level threat to the human species. now, i know that may sound ridiculous, but it does echo some of the concerns we've heard from ceos, from academics, from even the godfather of ai himself, geoffrey hinton let's state department did confirm. yes. they did pay for this report, but no, it does not represent the views of the us government, but it was based on interviews with hundreds of people in ai, in cybersecurity in wmd and in us national security. and the researchers, they warned that eventually ai could introduce wmd the likely risks to the us. i'll give you just a few examples of what we're talking about >> ai powered >> cyber attacks disinformation campaigns that could just destabilized society and weaponized robotics. and there's also this risks that ai systems could become so advanced that they basically refused to be turned off because if they get turned off, they can accomplish their goals. >> so for those of us who want to prevent extinction, it's a small but mighty group of us. yes. >> what can be done? >> well, firstly, do want to stress that none of this is to say that ai is evil, right? i mean, it is amazing what these tools can do. and i did talk to one of the researchers here who said that. yes, you know, i could be a game changer for us society, right? he could help us cure diseases, make scientific discoveries, but they are warning that the us government does need to act here. so they're laying out some sweeping recommendations here for safeguards including launching a new ai regulatory agency, emergency prince these safeguards such as limiting how much computer power ai models can train themselves on export controls. but one of the problems here, john and you know, this is timing. there's a lot of debate, a lot of unknowns here over how fast ai is going to evolve. and so one of the issues here is if they impose really tough regulation too soon, they could stifle innovation. they can let other countries get ahead of the us and the ai arms race. of course, if they wait too long, that could be disastrous to matt egan. thank you for this report from the extinction be at this morning. it's terrifying, but it's very important to talk about this stuff and it's a good thing that they are looking into this and taking it seriously. appreciate it. thanks, john okay. >> so we could find out as early as today if the da leading the criminal case against trump in georgia will be thrown off the case in a rare radio interview, the judge overseeing the criminal case against trump says that he is on track to issue a decision by this friday on that conflict on the conflict of interest, questions raised about fani willis trump and some of his co-defendants have really been fighting to get willis removed, accusing her of financially benefitting from a romantic relationship with the lead prosecutor on the trump case, seen as nick nick valencia has been following this, of course, from atlanta and he's joining us now. >> nic talk >> to me more about what the judge said in this interview >> that good morning, kate. it came as a surprise to many of us. we're following this case closely that mcafee would talk to reporters at all. he denies almost every request he gets, but he did speak recently to wsp radio in atlanta about the challenger he faces in his reelection bid. this november. and it was during the course of this interview that he brought up his pending decision on whether to remove fani willis from prosecuting this case here in georgia, and it was during that interview that he said he is on track to make a decision by the end of this week i gave myself a deadline because i knew everyone wanted an answer and i'll tell you an order like this takes time to write. there's a lot that means i have to go through. and so i've had again, i'll emphasize this. i've had a rough drafts and an outline before i ever heard a rumor that someone wanted to run for this position. so the result is not going to change because of politics. i'm calling it as best i can in the law as high as far as i understand it. >> you know, to say that there's a lot of anticipation about his decision would be a huge understatement. and during that eight minute interview, he did also talk about how this is personally affected him. he does have two small children ages 5.3 and he said, well, they're too young to understand really what's going on. they don't really look at him as this judge presiding over this historic case, but dad rightfully so and he said though he does look forward to the day when they grow up and he's able to look them in the rye and say that he did the best he could and he played this case straight. kate >> nick, what happens if the district attorney if da fani willis is disqualified, if that's his decision well, you know, it'd be devastating. it goes without saying would be devastating for the district attorney's office for this case, for the prosecution of this case, but would happen and immediate would be would handed it would be handed over to the prosecuting attorneys council. it's a nine-member panel, a by partisan group made up of solicitors general, former district attorneys and it would be up to them to find a new prosecution team. but that comes with very unique challenges, not just the politics surrounding this case, but also the safety issues. so finding somebody you know, could prove very difficult >> neck great to see you. thanks for bringing that to us this morning. john. all right. fresh fallout this morning from former special counsel, robert hur's testimony on capitol hill. this was an exchange she had with congressman eric swalwell you said to president biden you have appear to >> have a photographic understanding and recall the house. did you say that's president biden? >> those words do appear on page 47 of the transcript. >> photo graphic is what you said. is that right >> that word does appear on page 47 of the transcript, never appeared in your report though, is that correct? the word photographic that does not appear in my report democratic congressman eric swalwell from california joins me now, congressman, thanks for being here. why was it important for you to make that parse? >> the report was characterized early on as president biden having a failed memory and republicans ran with that and continue this narrative that was ultimately defeated at the state of the union last week. but when i saw the transcript yesterday, that word photographic leaped off the page because it was not a part of the report that the special counsel issued. and so i think we can put to bed any questions about the president's memory over a two day, five-hour interview with the special counsel, former special counsel, in his report and in the opening statement yesterday in the q&a yesterday, did make clear there were several instances when president biden said he did not remember things in that was key to his decision not to prosecute, correct >> yes. and i don't i don't doubt that there were several incident instances when the president was asked to go years back and was asked what drawers different documents were and he didn't know exactly which drawer. but when you read the transcript and the president is in command he understands what's being asked and helped to the best of his ability. and again, i think yesterday's hearing was just another effort to delegitimize president biden when so much more is needed from this congress on ukraine funding humanity teren, and israel funding. and of course border security funding. and the american people just thought, i think their time and resources wasted on this politico its playbook >> newsletter this morning says that republicans are on the verge of backing off their strategy to try to impeach president biden. they say republicans are brainstorming plan bs exit strategies. they say will keep their anti-biden base happy but fall short of their initial impeachment goal. and one possibility they say may be criminal referrals either for hunter biden and possibly for president biden himself in an interview, house oversight chair james comer, he's speaking broadly about the issue of referrals. if merrick garland department of justice won't take any potential criminal referral seriously that may be the next president with a new attorney general will. so do you think that donald trump, if he's elected president again, would prosecute joe biden >> absolutely. he went down. trump said, if he wants to be a dictator on day one, that he's out for retribution. but what you just described of comer and jordan, it just sounds like the wylie coyote coming up you know what his next scheme after ten failed schemes before. and the goal should not be. how do we get joe biden? they just don't have the evidence, but again, they just keep going back to this idea and it's actually also absurd that you would make a criminal referral believing somebody committed a crime beyond a reasonable doubt but you would not seek to teach them. that just shows that this is purely punitive and an effort to never accept joe biden as the president. >> do you think there will be an impeachment vote on the house floor on president biden no. >> no, absolutely not. that they don't have the votes. the president will be acquitted if that happens. and again, it's just a complete waste of time as to what the president asked us to work on at the state of the union. last week you. have a big day. i mean, congress has a big day. the house has a big moment where you're going to vote on this bill on tiktok that would require it to sever ties with bytedance, which is the chinese company that owns it. many people look at this as a tiktok potential ban and the united states, how will you vote on this? >> i don't like bans on speech. john, and look, i don't like the republican book bands. i don't like the bans on bodies that republicans have put in place across the country. and i want to find ways to better restrict the use of data without taking away a platform that so many small businesses rely upon it in so many young people use to communicate. and this would do nothing to look at other social media companies in their data. so i just i don't like bans on speech, john, so it's going to be hard to support that one. >> so your no vote on them let's switch, interestingly for you. put you in the same boat as donald trump >> well, it looks like a donor who is invested in tiktok has gotten to donald trump. if, if you follow this, i think my reasoning is more around speech and small business protection but again, i understand people are going to come down differently on this, but i think there's better ways to go at this than to do something that china does if you want to talk about who bands, things, china bans things, china's a place where you don't have rights and i just don't want to do anything that looks even remotely like china. >> you have no concerns about china's potential influence over tiktok >> i do. and that's why i think we need to aggressively monitor that. but essentially pulling the plug on a platform, it's so many small businesses and young people are relying upon. just seems like binary choice and there's other ways to address that issue without taking this away from so many people who use it for their livelihood and again, the state of the union, by the way, young people saw the state of the union largely through tiktok. so it's a way where they are receiving information and i think we should be very careful well, if we're going to get in the way of how people are receiving information, it very quickly, congressman today is sort of the kickoff of this unprecedented stretch of campaigning. both donald trump and president biden. now the presumptive nominees of their party. so we enter this months and months long stage. >> and >> i know a lot of people are some people are looking at this as a oh, you know, rerun candidates that no one wanted to. the nominees, which i'm not sure, is a fair or productive framing here. what do you see is at stake in this election? >> freedom and then the president laid this out. it's a freedom election, freedom of body, financial freedom to have breathing room in your finances freedom to have the health care plan. that's affordable for you under obamacare. freedom to send your kid to school and know they'll come home safely from gun violence. the freedom to vote have a counted, the freedom to breathe clean air. all of those are under attack and we know what the last guy will do. and he said, he'll be a dictator on day one. and it'll be an attack on freedom. and so to me, sure. you may not like the president's age 81, but there's a number that's a hell of a lot higher than 81. and that's 91. that's the felony counts that donald trump it's facing. and that's why this election is entirely about who's going to put the american people first, or who will put himself first and take away your freedoms in the effort. >> carson eric swalwell, we appreciate you being with this morning. thanks so much. >> my pleasure. thanks john. >> so the biden administration' 's new strategy 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you can believe that this has been going on for decades. the most recent data from the cdc suggests in the last 12 months of recent data, 111,000 drug overdose deaths in the united states and the majority of those of course, are related to opioids and to fentanyl, which is if this incredibly powerful synthetic opioid and many times people don't even realize it's in the drugs that are guaranteed, right? so that's a huge problem in this new challenge, the white house is announcing today, this is really focused on organizations and businesses trying to get them to train their employees on how to use drugs like naloxone to stock it? in first aid kits, make sure they have it on hand and even to give it away to employees and two customers and one way that this drug called narcan, that's the brand name or the generic name is naloxone has become more available. is that now you don't need a prescription to buy it. so i went into a walgreens yesterday i spent $45 to get two of these things. these are nasal sprays and anybody can buy these and it's recommended you have it just in case something happens and you can use it to really save a life. i mean, this can reverse an opioid overdose in minutes >> and also the death of someone can happen with really within minutes as well. so this is it is critical and it's proven. so effective. what kind of, in the fact that it's now gone from prescription to being more available over the counter is so key. what kind of organizations are we talking about that they're trying to target and focus on. >> so >> already they've announced that there are airports that have signed onto this. there are airlines like southwest an american that are making sure they have these onboard and training employees and how to use this school systems at concert companies have announced that they're going to have this available transit systems libraries. i mean, really anywhere people are, you have to make sure you've got a drug like this. people talk about 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suspected gas leak at a restaurant. several buildings also damaged in the explosion and robert kennedy jr. says he has chosen his running mate and will announce his vp pick in the next two weeks. the independent presidential candidate says his shortlist includes new york jets quarterback aaron rodgers, who came under scrutiny during the pandemic for misleading the public about his vaccination status. he eventually he admitted he never got the vaccine. another possible pick, former professional wrestler in minnesota governor jesse ventura. now, one thing is clear, if aaron rodgers but yours does become the pick, it will likely not affect the new york jets. kate who almost definitely still lose, do they still have to pay him back baby? >> kind of a >> clutch bucket away. >> all right. let's continue. let's talk about >> this, john. thank you very much joining us right now is cnn political commentator, se cupp and cnn senior political commentator, former special assistant to president george w bush, scott jennings robert kennedy. what do you do with that se? >> oh, i mean yeah. >> listen >> sometimes the move of a presidential candidate is to pick a vp that add something balances something out, right? think obama picking joe biden to add some foreign policy experience and gravitas in these this lineup. at least an aaron rodgers and joseph menn trump. he's picking his twin, right? i mean, aaron rodgers is very much aligned with rfk junior. and this is really interesting because i think this eats into trump voters weigh more than biden voters. >> this >> super counter-intuitive, know, i mean, aaron rodgers is a mini trump. i mean, you go on television and say, jimmy kimmel might have been on the plane with jeff epstein based on nothing. just to like stir the pot that is so trumpian. and the conspiracy he theories that both of them court. i mean, i think it's kind of a threat to trump voters. >> let me add two data points to this >> he's pulling robert kennedy, not aaron rodgers polling at 13% nationally that is not for a long time ago that it's something, you know, nothing. it's not nothing. it was a >> fox news poll last week at one point, i think it wasn't november. he was actually pulling at 22% with registered voters. he's fallen far from there, but it is not nothing do you think he poses an actual problem to whomever? because i will say as he says, he might pull from trump voters, there's a, there was a lot of conversation that he, robert kennedy would pull more from biden voters. >> yeah, the polling i see shows me that when you throw all these third parties in in aggregate, it hurts biden a little bit more now, i grant you that some of his messages may appeal to trump style voters. but right now, it just strikes me that there's just a lot of disappointed voters with the major party choices. so they're looking for anybody, they're looking for any third door to go out right here in rfk's name is the one that's most familiar to them. i don't know how he'll do in the election in a lot of people say in a poll oh, yeah, i'd love to vote for third party and then they don't show up or they they end up defaulting to a major party choice. but i will just say just anecdotal heard from the ground and you places the gas got something going on and they call it rizz. yeah, it's called but really he's got something going on. i don't think >> i'm not. are you going to try what speaking of age? >> let's talk at the age issue with the heard in the rearview mirror. >> it seems like biden's team thinks it has limited damaged going forward, i would pose democrats think the state of the union was a huge success has biden, can biden, maybe not put the age concerns to rest, put them on the backburner, know no. >> no. he's not getting younger the sea of the union was good. he gave a good performance. it was an hour and a half. we've got many months till november. till november. it's going to be a very long slog of a campaign. he's it's going to have more gaffes. the question isn't will he or won't he will. the question is, are people going to decide? i'll take the old versus the crazy. we're used to the old. we've seen it. we accepted he is old we're also used to the crazy i think the elections a little bit baked because we know both of these guys so well, chris was omicron yesterday and this was ripe with this was right before the hearing and national co-chair of the biden harris campaign and here's what he said to me about the age issue and the kind of her testimony in the documents i think at the end of the de has been put to rest by president biden's forceful, compelling state of the union address. on thursday, which makes it clear that the stray comments by special counsel in a report really don't amount to much compared to the underlying reality that president biden has deep respect for the classified document process, fully cooperated, and his predecessor did not as he says, when it comes to age versus crazy. and you think it's actually age represents something different, like it's a proxy fight of something else. it's not >> just the number, it's, it's the perception of your strength. i think it gets what this election is about right now. it's why trump is winning. he's perceived as being a stronger leader you have, of course, what stronger is, is in the eye of the beholder. but that's what it means. >> the ability to deliver, the ability to control a situation or to solve a problem. and i think that's biden's issue. is that moving forward? it's not just how old you are today. people have to believe you're going to be able to get through another term and all you have to go on as the perception of someone's vitality or finger today and just the itis trump looks a little more vigorous than biden, and that's why it look, this isn't a close call on the polling. i mean, we're talking about huge majorities of americans who've see it this way. >> you do you think that could do you think that can change? >> i don't and i don't think the state of union actually fixed anything. i mean, as we sit here today, we've had a couple of international polls come out. no bounce. trump's ahead. and in the 538 national polling average, biden today is at his lowest point in job approval for his entire presidency. i know the democrats are out trying to put a good face on the state of the union. but we went from old man yells at cloud too. old man yells at candy bars and i don't think the american people saw it saw at the way they want they want to describe, what do you have a fundraising bump though? >> and look, we've got we've got a heck of allowing we've got a heck of a long time which is my final question. how do you make a rematch that 70% of the voting population didn't want to see. and now one of the longest general elections, anyone's going to see. >> how do you make that not feel that way? >> listen, there are >> stages of you have written, they really have political purposes or for tv >> i really do mean this little strategy you have to start thinking about this. >> there, there are stages of grief and america will go through some anger, will go through some denial, will go through some bargaining like, you know, third-party candidate, could it happen? and then they will accept because there is a long time, we'll have some time to get used to this. and