trump will be arrested for the >> why do you think that was your best moment to get republican primary voters to fourth time in five months. sources say the former president will surrender this evening at the fulton county jail to face federal felony charges for the vote for you when you had loud boos? alleged criminal conspiracy to >> not every republican primary overturn his election loss in voter in america was in the arena. and because you can't be looking georgia. to■p play to the grand standsta. the deadline for all 19 to surrender is noon eastern tomorrow. i wasor talking to the people, e babout-of the 18 co-defendants have turned themselves in, and tens of millions of people who were watching in their living that includes his long-time lawyer rudy giuliani. rooms, in their family rooms, take a look at those mugshots. their home. the fact is if you're not going >> trump skipped the first to talk about that, then why bother running? you should just concede the race debate last noigt. to donald trump, which is what his eight rivals battled for the spotlight without him there, but trump loomed large. the moderators asked the la lot of people did on the stage. >> let me play what one woman candidates if they could still watching in a focus group said support trump as the normal even as she was watching you. >> tell me why you didn't like if he's convicted. the audience cheered when several raised their hands, including ron desantis and mike pence.÷% what chris christie had to say. >> he was just argumentative pretty much. crkristen holmes is live in and out after trump. bedminster, where trump is preparing to leave foñ;ñ georgi. what's the feeling there as >> no logic to what he said? trump getsç >> i think it was a lot of revenge. >> that's a voter in iowa. fulton county? what do you say to people likea >> reporter: good morning. two things can be true at once, that? >> i would say once again, am i and they often are when it comes out after trump, i am out to to donald trump. i spoke to two advisers about beat donald trump. and because i think he@p dezser that debate he skipped last night. there were some concerns that to be beaten. and i make no apologies for there could be a breakout moment going out and ing the for another candidate. they did not feel that after watching the debate. they all felt confident, the argument against him. and the argument for the former president feeling constitution, i would say to her if she was in front ofík me now confident in that decision not to participate, but when it to you love the constitution, do you care about it? does it matter that a guy who took the oath tojepreserve, comes to going to georgia, they do not actually want to be doing protect and defend the this today. they are going to take advantage constitution and said he wanted of it. this is going to suck all of the to suspend it to keep himself in wind out of the sails of those power, i'm sorry. you don't back off from making people who did participate in the debate. that argument. the country is bigger than any to give you a little context one man. and certainly bigger than any here, here's what we know is going to happen. this afternoon donald trump is one person's opinion in a cnn going to leave his golf club and focus group. governor, what do you think your go to the airport where he willl weakestee moment was? >> i think the weakest moment jail this evening to be for me was the weakest moment processed. we still don't have the details for everybody, which was that stage was completely out'8 of of what that's going to look like in terms of fingerprints or a mug shot, but we are expected control. i'm disappointed that the to possibly get those details before he arrives. then he will head back to new moderators didn't play a stronger hand in controlling what was going l7on. jersey. we're told they are making arrangements for him to speak to reporters traveling with him there were a couple folks on stage last night who felt they could go over time every time.xq before he takes a off to come back to his club. that they could interrupt and the 7:30 time, there had been speak on every issue. that's where the moderators have conversations it was in the to shut them down. evening whether or not this was what it led to was there being trump's decision because he wanted to be there during prime time. i'm told that isn't the case. no sense of control or focus on it was because of negotiations between trump's team and law the debate during large portions of it. atlanta, among >> i asked your weakness, but i others, as they tried to sort out how to get the former don't think you're going to president in and out of the city aópuñick as possible. answer that. you did get the second most talk that's a city that can shut down time. i want to let you answer a question on abortion because all because of traffic. the other candidates got to this was a later time that they weigh in and you didn't. believed i would like you to clarify for navigate getting the former president in and out. and this is the charges that the voters now. what would you have said last former president trump have night if you were asked directly about whether you would support a federal ban on abortion? lashed out against. you used to support a 20-week but his team say they arejo goi ban. to play this the exact same way >> what i said, and i did not they have for the other three suz to use politically. they are going to fundraise off support a 20-week ban. this. he's going to say this is that's incorrect. what i said all along was that i election interference all think each and every one of the because he's running for states and its citizens should president in 2024. make this decision. >>qc kristen holmes, thank you r for 50 years we have argued roe v. wade in the the federal the reporting. the first republican scheme was not the right way to presidential debate happened last night withoutqformer president trump, who is the go. this belonged in the states. front runner by far. and that the states should be able through their citizens to make the decision that they want eight other candidates were there to debate some of the top issues facing the nation with an regarding how abortion should be unexpected candidate being the target of most of the attacks. regulated in each and every one of the particular states. if in fact at one point after all 50 states have weighed in watch.c];÷ >> if former president trump is there's an obvious national convicted in a court of law, cons consensus, i would support a would you still support him as national consensus, but we are your party's choice? please raise your hand, if you far from that. i don't think we should short would. rocess of letting all the citizens of all the states weigh in. it's the first time we haveñ ha an opportunity to do that in over 50 years. >> the conduct is beneath the i would not cut short that process. office of president of the united states. >> is vivek ramaswamy the future of the republican party? >> no. >> why is he polling higher? this is the great thing about this country. booing is allowed, but it doesn't change the truth. you spent a lot of time going after him last night. it doesn't change the truth. he's polling higher than you. >> obviously, i'm not going to support somebody who has been convicted of a serious felony, >> i responded to him twice when he came after me. or who is disqualified under our so i don't think i spent a lot constitution. >> i will have europe pull their of time on that. he came after me, so i'm going weight. right now, they are not doing ($@lk÷ it. our support should be contingent by the way, he's not polling on them doing it. higher than me in new hampshire where i'm at 14% and in second >> is find it offensive we have place. that's why the national polls are so silly. professional politicians on the stage that will make a we don't have a national pilgrimage to kyiv, to their primary, a as you know.b÷ popesezelenskyy. and i'm really happy about the we have to put americans first. >> if we did a give away that fact that i'm at a clear second place now 5 points ahead of ro desantis and 3 points a aheads f going to be too long before he rolls across a nato border. vivek ramaswamy in new >> you want to defund israel. hampshire. that's where this is going to mat$fr' the early states. you want to go give ukraine russia. it's going to set it up. so the national polls are silliness unless we decide to have a national%tprimary, which is not what we're doing in this race. you would make america less so i am no more safe. vivek ramaswamy than i am about you have no foreign policy anybody else invs the race. experience, and it shows. >> this isn't that complicated. unlock america energy, burn, last night, he just decided that he was going to try to talk as frack, embrace nuclear. much as he possibly couldri and put people back to work by no insult everybody on the stage. longer paying them more to stay this is a guy who is bierly ever at home. >> joe biden has weakened this voted. country at home and abroad. now he,y wants to insult all ou, now is not the time for on the job training. who have been getting to] we don't need to bring in a rookie. >> we must have a president of public, becen in public life fo the united states who advocate decadesm; to try to make this a and fight for the min pulmoa better country, while he's been 15-week limit. sitting on the sidelines and not >> we can't have republicans who fight for 50 years for this great cause and turn it back to voting and participating in the process. think i-don'tié think that's th the states, and then the next day they turn around and go the future of our party. feds should do that. >> earlier this week you thought trump would debate in a third >> it's not a states-only issue, debate,! that he would see the it's a moral shl issue i promise first one, then the one on you as president of the u=q" september 27th and said he's going to get damaged in the states, the american people will have a champion for life in the oval office. >> wnmz you're talking about a first two by not being there. after seeing what played out last night, do you still think federal ban, be honest with the he shows up for the third one? american people. no republican president can ban >> i do. yes. abortions anymore than a >> you looking forward to that? democrat could ban all those >> i'm looking forward to every state laws. >> joining us now isk political one of these. director david chalian andçx any time you have an opportunity to be on the stage and lay out what you believe for the political commentator michael american people, it's a great smerconish. gentlemen, welcome to you. some of the big moments> w'yeah, nikki haley did hav below, well below what we should expect from a president of the united states. quite a few strong moments where she could fundraise,bs but it'so strucktive because that moment, so i believed that before last yes, a good moment for nikki haley to4 appeal to the more night and i believe it afterwards. i'm not going to continue in this race without saying those things. i'm proud to be able to do that traditional establishment[úk4 interventionist republican last night and give voice to tens of millions of people in party. this country, if not hundreds of millions of people who believe the question is that still the republican party? we can do better than joe biden so she scores this point against vivek ramaswamy, but is vivek >> we will see you again i'm more aligned with the current sure before, but we'll see you on the debate stage on september gop primary electorate here. will it actually help nikki haley advance, or is it going to 27th. thank you very much for the time this morning. help her stay alive in the race >> thank you for having me on by bringing some money in, more this morning. >> excellent ,interview. support from that establishment wing. when we look at these debate let's bring to the table moments, we have to assess it in commentator and former special the context of what the primary adviser to president obamay van jones. former trump campaign adviser electorate is looking for, which david urban, and senior legal analyst elie honig. david, let me start with you. is why vitt vek was this place holder for trump without the first question to governor former president on the stage. >> what did the hand raise christie was his strongest moment. moment of everyone, except for he said telling the truth about asa hutchinson and chris trump. holding the strategy. do you agree? christie, supporting a >> it was a tough question over there. hypothetically convicted felon trump tell you about the party? i love chris christie. >> that they are still unwilling he had a challenging night last to take him on with the exception of chris christie and asa hutchinson. night. he was the elephant in the room, but i think his strongest moment was when he kind of ppraised mi andv they need those who are currently supporting him, but they are not prepared to go after him to gain those votes. pence standing next to him for defending the constitution and i think&r donald trump won the said, not only did mike pence do the right thing, he did so at debate last night. he won because without him on his own peril. by praising mike pence, it the stage, ron desantis is the leader in that kí0ñ6 d>ñfield. but i don't think he justified reflected well upon himself. i think that was his strongest moment. >> just a fact check before we that position. i don't think anybody came away get to you. from the debate and said, yeah, it is the governor said it he i see why it's delaware san fits as the alternative to trump. did support a 20-week ban. it's not that he had a ba48 this is in his first campaign. night. several people had a good night, it's important where he stands everal people had a good night, now, but that's just a point of up who were on that stage fact. as thinking, hey, not to bad. i did well. i did well. i thinkn bullfighter with no bull. he's there to fight donald trump. he's like a matador and there's field. why would they get out before no bull. so he's a weird guy in tights. the third debate after that? donald trump likes the status so it didn't work for himq last quo. >> david, what do you think about desantis' performance? night. he was there toñd fight donald are there any of the moments you trump, and donald trump wasn't just mentioned that can push a there. he was looking lost on stage, narrative forward that the and he was upstaged byfk vivek. governor presented last night during the debate? it's unfortunate. >> i i do agree with michael what chris christie is doing is t)r'g up for not just the republican that trump emerged as the winner party, but the country byz] by knot showing up. there's nothing that really happened on that debate stage holding donald trump to a high where you saw somebody broke out standard. but last night i think those of to really coalesce the half of us who expected to see the chris christie show couldn't find itt the party looking for an last night on the air. alternative to trump just yet. >> i thought it was so interesting when the moderatorf i don't think desantis did harm asked the candidates if donald trump is convicted, will you to his campaign, but he didn't catapult himself after a summer im? of reset, after concern among that's a question i have been his donors, after dealing with asking. up until he's convicted, you can staff issues and overspending say'l he's presumed innocent. let's see how itvu plays out. his campaign and trying to retool it. he didn't have a moment to show it's now on sure footing. if there comes a point of conviction, is that going to shake anyone loose? desantis looked like part of the what was theóvote count? rest of the pack instead of a he was hoping to sort of use as six said yes, we still would. momentum tow keep build ing tha six said yes, we still would. i foun5 support to be the one-on-one to >> including mike pence. take on trump. i think this is a large field >> who is a victim. >> if convicted part that's still that does not yet have an really important. answer as to who is going to >> that's what made the question a good question and the answer emerge as the so telling. >> the question that wasn't one with donald trump. asked and maybe they couldn't because of the lawsuit, do you >> let's listen to the chris christie and vivek ramaswamy think donald trump won the back and forth here. election. nobody asked the question. >> i'm theje only person on the nobody asked do you think donald trump won the election in 2020. they asked about january 6th, but nobody said do you think he stage who isn't bought and paid for so i can say this. whoa. won or lost. >> i had had enough already tonight of a goi who sounds like >> let's look ahead. chat gpt standing up here, and so today the president will leave bedminster and head to georgia to turn himself in. the last person in one of these what should we expect? debates who stood in the middle this will be a spectacle that of the stage and said, what's a skinny guy with an odd last name the former president will exploit. >> he certainly will. we keep saying this is unprecedented. doing here was barackt? obama, d this is highly precedented. i'm afraid we're dealing with this is the fourth time in five months we have been through the same type of amateur. >> give me a hug just like you this. he will go through the same did to obama. routine. the thing to keep in mind is >> what do you think? what's happening today is so normal. all the time, 24/7 >> we love the zingers. i thought chris christie's line was a great line to vivek ramaswamy, but for my money, the best retort of the night was that jaihxkz is open. people come through there and they are processed. give me a hug. thus far in the case to the we remember what he's referring credit of the prosecutor and the to. it's interesting that the first sheriffs and authorities down there, it's been by the book. it's been straight forward. question went to ron desantis, no surprise. the second question went to chris christie. you thought he was going to then so let's hope that happens. come at desantis, but he passed. but he has fourrñg8don't know it him politically, but the stakes that was sort of a sign of what was to come. it was vivek ramaswamy who caught most of the flak because are different. they see him as ascendant. >> his poll numbers are up after all of these indictments. they are up. they are not flat. >> it's mirror world. in one world, trying to monday, which was an interesting overthrow the government is a place to start. thank you, both. >> chris christie)3facing a touh bad idea. crowd at last night's maybe disqualifying. in another world, he's a martyr. presidential debate as he went after donald trump. guess who joins us next? he's sacrificing himself on the alter of justice and truth. governor chris christie. it's hard to understand that voters did not see trump on from this side of the table, but stage last night, but they will there are people who truly see him walking into jail today. believe that the fact that they how this plays politically, next. are going after him means he ( ♪ ♪ ) must be on our side. >> the polling numbers, all eight of those candidates there last night, they still don't beat trump altogether. experience the sanctuary of handsfree highway drivingng stack them on top ofuzy each ot and they don't match the with lincoln bluecruise. it's the final days of the lincoln summer invitation event. numbers. >> i know we have to go. right now, get 3.9% apr you brought up the song they and $1000 trade assist cash started with. i found that to be a really on a new 2023 lincoln. intriguing question. i'm patriotic kenny. i thought it was alum nating and and, hi, i'm amanda on tiktok. my scooter broke down. i wish the answers were more i went into a depression. how do you feel abouthat? direct. talk to us about that. pretty sad. >> interestingly, before we were and i sted it to show that kenny's not always happy. sitting in the green room, i within 24 hours people had donated over5,000. said to michael moore and others, i want to see who the no, you're kidding. first person to mention the song we set up the patriotic kenny foundation is. that's going to be very telling because that's the2% anthem for to give mobility scooters to veterans. this campaign. whoever connects with people on it has changed my life tremendously. that isf% going to be a winner. none of this would've happened without tiktok. fox led with that. i think vivek ramaswamy channelled that song. he channel led that frustration and anger that washington, rich men, the mitch mcconnells of the world are fleecing us. >> was it disappointing to you that martha asked this question how can you sleep on such a firm setting? directly to desantis. gab, mine is almost the same as yours. what do you think the song almost is just another word for not as good as mine. means? it was this big opening and he didn't really take it. save 50% on the sleep number® limited edition smart bed. >> ron desantis, all i can hear plus, 60-month financing on all smart beds. shop now only at sleep number®. is charlie brown's schoolteacher. nobody laid a glove on desantis. but, you also can't leave covered in hair. he came in expecting everybody to pile on him. with bounce pet, i don't know, but they were you can cuddle and brush that hair off. trying to stop vivek. >> if they are at the same bounce. it's the sheet. level, you have desantis going right now get a free footlong at subway. in one direction and vivek's polling going the opposite like the subway series menu. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. direction. thank you all. for freeee. next, our republican that's what i'm talking about. candidate mike pence is going to order in the subway app today. join us live. russia says the mercenary dinner! chief who led a mutiny against [sfx: phone ping] ♪ vice president vice president what? 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>> well, i think what biden said probably is true. something of this magnitude would not have happened unless poutin knew about it or orchestrated it. so think that theory is there. everything in russia right now is very murky. there's a lot going on behind the scenes. you have to say that thisvx sense to say that president putin wanted prigozhin dead. >> what does this had mean then for wagner? because they areñtñ[> it's a good question. i think most of us assumed that prigozhin would end up dead prettyut soon once he crossed putin so +%publicly, but there s the question of the russian government of how are they going to keep the wger in group alive because2it's use ful for the russian government to have this group of mercenaries cementing relationships with8j african strong men and other places. so i think them wagner group wil continue in some form, but it will obviously be closelymñ control led by the russian government. whoever they put at the head of the organization now will nogs doubt be not given such a long leash like prigozhin was lxgive. >> what does a war on ukraine without -- and not only prigozhin,! was on that plane as well, what does that mean for thez( war? >> the wagner people haven't really been fighting in ukraine for thehx past few months after that rebellion. they were sent to belarus and they really haven't6wiñ been do much so at this point, it would appear that that wouldn't have much effect. but i think what evelyn is getting into is could they be used? they were in belarus. there were some reports they maybe pulled out of belarus. we still don't know. they are a fighting force. they are organized. but i think the other part that's important to remember is they also were very loyal to prigozhin. there appears to be, if you look at social media, a lot of anger about the fact that prigozhin currently was killed. so what does that mean? this can come out in a different way. >> it's an important question. do they fit into the russian forces after this event? jill dougherty, evelyn, thank you. president biden was front and center as a topic at last nugt's debate. >> we back to his basement and reverse american decline. >> joe biden has weakened america at home and abroad. >> hisq6b former chief of staff joins us, next. mornining. ♪ ♪ life after student debt is within reach. refi at sofi.com. you could save thousands and get to your goals faster. sofi. get your money right. so i didn't think i needed swiffer, until, i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it! only takes a minute. look at that! the heavy duty cloths are extra thick, for amazing trap & lock. even for his hair. wow. and for dust, i love my heavy duty duster. the fluffy fibers trap dust on contact, up high and all around without having to lift a thing. i'm so hooked. you'll love swiffer. or your money back! gop candidates7o attacked president biden's economic policies last night at thep4jdt party leaders learn from what was said? joining us tow respond is biden's former chief of staff and also knows a few things about debates.ip we work ed on debate prep in '9 and led the debate prep for every democratic nominee since, including barack obama and president biden. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> let me start with a nonpartisan question. you wrote in aw memo, while you can lose a debate at any point, you can only win a debate in the first 20 minutes. did anyone win that debate in the first 20 minutes? >> i don't think so. i was surprise d by the fact tht with donald trump not being there, it was a big opportunity for them to step up and stand out. not be under his shadow. i don't think anyone stepped up to that. there was a lot of bickering, sometimes pointless bickering. i don't know why mike pence decided to pick on vivek ramaswamy all night. i don't think it helped him. someone with 20 points behind ron desantis, they didn't go after the people ahead of them. they were after the single digit candidates. no one looked like a president. the big winners were donald trump, who entered the debate 40 points ahead, i don't think anyone changed that, and joe biden. >> but who on that stage did you see as the most formidable challenger to joe biden on a debate stage? >> we know chris christie is a good debater. i don't think he had a great night last night. i think it's nice to hear him say raise their hands on supporting trump, but everyone took a stage to one candidate qualified for the debate will not take the pledge. so to see people pledge to be for trump. >> so chris christie is biden's biggest worry? >> i would say he would be a good debater. he's a skilled debater and a skilled performer. i didn't see anyone last night that lookednny like a president all. >> the candidate not on the stage, donald trump will be turning himself in in georgia. turning himself in in georgia. 91 counts, twice impeached. yet he's in a dead heat with president biden. why? >> i don't think he's in a dead heata with president biden. this is a closesly divided country. i imagine it will be a close n, he will win in 2024. i think that he inherited a country that was a mess. it's 3.5% now. the economy was dead in the water. we're growing stronger than any g7 nation. >> i will say the latest polls have thevñ two of them within t margin of error. >> i think that's true?+ for al the polls. >> 47% for the president, 46% for donald trump. >> i think what victor is getting at is that, yes, last time biden won, but this polling is after four indictments. that's what i'm asking. >> i'm saying it's a divided5nv country. i think it will be a close election this time. i think the outcome will be the same. joe biden got 8 million more votes. i don't talk to a lot of people who say they are trswitching to trump in 2024. i think biden will win narrowly. >> the first a half of his administration and continuing now, the president has made defending democracy in this country a priority. and i understand that he doesn't want to feed into the narrative of what donald trump and this being a political persecution, but can he continue to stay silent on the details of the indictment without abandoning that line of argument to the american people?áúr >> i think he's doingrphqg%g, t thing, which is this is a matter for the courts. it's not a political matter. he shouldn't tray to influence the courts by speaking out about it. i think let' the court dots ther job. let the prosecutors. donald trump wasà indicted because a grand jury of citizens voted to indicthim. let the process work. the president is going to work on our economy, work on4 creatig manufacturing jobs here in the united states. that's his job.÷n joe biden is going to do his job. >> i want to ask$v about mark meadows. you did calls with him during the transition. now he's a defendant in this georgia probe. he really wants(ois case moved to federal court. he didn't want to have to be booked and arrested yesterday. sohi far, he's not prevailed. he has to go through the process. we'll see on monday what a judge says aboutp all of this. but i want to read you what fani willis, the d.a. said he has not shown how his participation conspired to fg overturn the election had any relationship to his officialjz duties much less how his participation was necessary for chiekáup#f. you were chief of staff. he's saying because i was that, this stuff can cannot be considered in state court because itfpertained to my job to help the president. what do you say having had had that job? >> i never tried to overthrow the government or participate in a conspiracy to do that or block the peaceful transition of power. so i think he's going to have to answer for his actions and through the legal system appropriately. >> we appreciate it. i wish we had more time. thank réyou. nice to have you. the one trmp ally who is deeply involved in the fake elector scheme was not charged in the georgia case. could that mean he's cooperating with prosecutors against trump? and new reporting just into cnn about the last-minute legal move that donald trump has just made hours before he turns himself into the fulton county jail. that's ahead. 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