collins starts now. tonight, straight from the source, donald trump will turn himself in in georgia this thursday, confirmed by none other than the defendant himself. his bond has strict conditions, unlike the others we've seen so far. and this very minute, the window has closed to qualify for wednesday's first republican debate. the overwhelming front runner says he won't be there, but one of his rivals who will be is with me tonight. plus president biden is on the ground in maui tonight after facing criticism to his administration's response to the deadliest wildfire in history. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is "the source." we have now hit surrender week, and tonight donald trump has confirmed he will be arrested a fourth time in georgia on thursday, asking anyone who was reading his social media posts from just a few moments ago if they can even believe it. this is where it's going to happen. we have been keeping a very close watch on the fulton county jail all day, awaiting the rival of not just trump but also his codefendants in the election interference case. prosecutors allege is a criminal enterprise negotiated their bond agreements today. trump's bond was set at $200,000. his former attorney, john eastman, and also kenneth chesebro, who was the alleged architect of the fake electors plot, both had their bonds set at $100,000. we have learned that john eastman will surrender on wednesday. then there is ray smith, another attorney who is working with the trump team. his bond was set at $50,000. and scott hall, who lest we forget is actually a bail bondsman, had his own bail set at $10,000 today. but most notable were the conditions for trump's release on his deal. the terms were more extensive than those set for other defendants, at least the ones we saw today. trump was instructed not to threaten any codefendant, witness, or victim, including via social media. this is his first bond agreement that specifies direct or indirect threats on social media. and it includes reposts of other people's posts. so, the million dollar question or really the $200,000.01 is, will he comply? remember the day of his latest indictment, trump warned a witness in that case, former lieutenant governor geoff duncan, not to testify before the grand jury that ultimately voted to indict trump. meanwhile, sources telling cnn that employees with the sheriff's office are now facing threats as they themselves are waiting for more surrenders to happen this week. evan perez joins me now to break this down. evan, we are now hearing from trump himself. he's going to turn himself in on thursday. what do we think that's going to look like? >> well, kaitlan, it's going to look unlike any of the other three times the former president has had to surrender and be arrested and processed as part of facing charges for various crimes. and, you know, he's been given a lot of deference both in manhattan and also in the two federal indictments, where they processed him and they did everything as quickly as possible to get him in and out. in fulton county, they're bringing him to that county jail, the one you just saw there on your screen. it's actually been under scrutiny by the justice department for some of the conditions there for the prisoners that are held there. so, the former president is certainly going in there. he's going to be treated, according to the sheriff's office down there, he's going to be treated like anybody else. so, they're going to fingerprint him. they're going to book him. they're going to take a mug shot, which we may be able to see, because georgia law allows the release of those booking photographs, unlike the federal system. and in the federal system, they didn't even take a mug shot of him. we know this is going to be looking a lot different from the previous times that the former president has had to be processed. now, we also know that this is one where he's not going to be facing arraignment. this is only the processing procedure that georgia separates from him having to come back in a few weeks for that separate proceeding, where he's going to be formally arraigned. >> and the bond agreement we saw, it was just really notable to look at trump's deal compared to john eastman's. it has strict rules for his release. walk us through what they are. >> right. and it also is different from some of the other ones, the ones that he's faced in his previous arrests. he simply was warned by the judges to make sure he didn't talk to witnesses, except through his lawyers, to make sure he didn't issue any threats. in this case, as you pointed out in that document we showed on screen just now, i'll read part of what it says. it says that the defendant shall perform no act to intimidate no person known to him or her to be a codefendant or witness in this case, to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice. the above, it continues, shall include but not limited to posts on social media or reposts made by another individual on social media. again, this is something, as you pointed out, kaitlan, just a few minutes ago, you know, he basically warned geoff duncan, one of the key witnesses against him, against testifying on the day of his indictment. so, clearly the judge knows the history of the former president, certainly something that even a judge here in washington just a couple of weeks ago warned him against doing. this time they're putting it on paper and they're making sure that he knows he's being watched, essentially, by the judges. >> certainly is. evan perez, thank you. i'm joined now by two top legal minds, jennifer rogers, former federal prosecutor, and former investigative counsel for the january 6th committee. jennifer, when you look at these rules for what trump can and cannot say, i know this caught the attention of trump's attorney today. what happens if he violates the terms? >> well, that's the million dollar question, kaitlan, because i'm sure the judge doesn't want to even attempt to completely revoke his bail and remand him into custody. but this is the first step down that road if he violates this order. before getting there, the judge probably would give him another warning, might also revoke some of the money that's been posted for the bail. but what everyone here really wants is not to see him in prison pending trial, but to see him stop the campaign of witness intimidation, disparaging players in all of these cases. that's really what the goal is here, not to revoke his bail, but to get him to stop strieing to interfere with these cases. so, we'll see how it goes from here. >> thibodeau, the former president's attorneys are negotiating with the district attorney's office of what thursday actually looks like when he does show up. i mean, obviously this is rare. but what would those negotiations even look like behind closed doors? is it about the mug shot, fingerprinting? what does that look like? >> what i suspect is that president trump is looking to get in and out of there as quickly as possible. i think the question for d.a. willis is how much is she going to treat him like a typical defendant versus give him special treatment. and what i suspect negotiating the specific terms from the mug shot to the processing to whether or not he's going to be stuck waiting at all or can he be in and out. i think that's the real question. >> who actually makes the decision on the mug shot? >> so, the mug shot, first in georgia law, it's a required mug shot. all processing situations are handled by the law enforcement officers. i think practically any decision here as to whether or not a mug shot will be bypassed is going to be between d.a. willis and president trump. >> jennifer, i mean, today it was five people in total who negotiated their bond agreements. it just stands out. i mean, scott hall is actually a bail bondsman. the other people here, they're all attorneys. they're typically on the other side of this criminal process. but now, you know, they're subject to bail agreements that typically they were negotiating. >> yeah, this case is certainly like no other, including the identities of the 19 codefendants here. you know, it's new territory for everyone. i think as long as thibodeau was saying, if fani willis and her office and the law enforcement folks are professional about this and do their best to streamline this procedure, i think everything will go as smoothly as it can, given the divergent members. >> this is pretty expensive. racketeering cases famously take a long time. it's a lot of money. obviously trump has his own legal fund. kathy latham, one of the codefendants. she's a retired schoolteacher. she's accused of being a fake elector. she set up a gofundme. it's raised $3,600. her goal is half a million dollars. jenna ellis, another trump attorney who is charged tweeting, why isn't maga inc. funding everyone's defense? what kind of pressure does that have for people who are codefendants? >> the biggest question is what to do? do i cooperate? do i plead guilty? do i fight? and financial pressure is one of the things that typically impacts the decision on how to move forward. financial pressure means you want the case to end. you want to weigh out. i think the defendants who are feeling that pressure are going to be more inclined to talk to fani willis and get a path out. >> jenna ellis is openly complaining about the fact they're not covering her legal fees. >> i think 100%. what's key here is we're just getting started. there haven't been prefile motions. they haven't really done the process here. these criminal cases are going to be complicated. and with each complication, the costs skyrocket. >> another person who is charge heerd is mark meadows, obviously trump's former chief of staff. he's arguing in a new filing that the charges against him, he believes, should be dismissed. he says he should have immunity because he was serving as the chief of staff in this official role, setting up meetings with state officials. is that something that a court would buy, you think? >> i think ultimately it will fail that argument. but there's some facial appeal to it in the sense that he wasn't really running this show, right? he's the chief of staff. he's doing what he's directed in terms of this plot. and a lot of what he was doing, as alleged in the indictment, are things that are not necessarily inherently legal in terms of setting up meetings and making calls and those sorts of things. i think ultimately a judge will decide there was a line that was crossed when they went from challenging the votes, getting recounts, filing court cases, and turning to filing false documents and so on. but it's going to take some parsing through and the judge will have to, of course, look at the federal defenses that he's alleging to get there. >> jennifer rogers, thibodeau williams, thank you both for joining me. exactly 48 hours from now, the first republican debate is going to be underway. but no one named trump will be on that stage, at least according to him. will that be an opportunity for my next guest and the other rivals who will be there to break out? 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determination of who made it and who missed will be announced by the republican national committee. we know the party's front runner, donald trump, has said he will not be there, though, of course, he has qualified to be on that stage. that leaves these eight candidates, as those that we know for sure have fully qualified. it's a list that includes my next guest. and let's get straight to "the source" with 2024 presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy. thanks for being here. you said in may you think it would be embarrassing, a disaster, and fundamentally uncourageous for donald trump to refuse to debate. do you still feel that way today? >> look, if he refuses to debate through the entire debate season, i have issue with that. i have no issue with him skipping the first couple of debates. the truth is many people in this country didn't know who i was six months ago. so, this is a good opportunity for me to introduce myself to the country. he's been on the debate stage countless times. if he wants to skip the first couple of them, i have no issue with that. i think he should be on the debate stage at some point throughout the course of this year. that's where i'm at. >> you rarely, if ever, really criticize trump directly. i think part of that -- you can tell me if i'm wrong -- is part of strategy when it comes to winning over his voters. how do you beat the republican front runner in this race without engaging him? >> the reason i don't want to criticize trump is because everybody else, from networks like the one we're on right now are doing a good job of making up attacks that shouldn't exist, prosecutors charges cases that should have never been brought. i think donald trump's defeat of hillary clinton was probably the single most important political event of my lifetime. i don't care to pile on with those criticisms. i think he was a good president, but i want to build on his agenda to take the america first movement to the next level. i'm 38 years old. i have fresh legs. i'm able to reach young people across this country. and i believe i am the only candidate in this race who can actually deliver a landslide election, a reagan, 1980s-style moral mandate by building a coalition, a multiethnic coalition of black americans, hispanic americans, white americans, men, women, young, old. that's what it's going to take to win this election, no state left behind, no city left behind, no american left behind. and you see that in the way i'm campaigning from the south side of chicago to the inner city of philadelphia in kensington. that's different than any other candidate in this race. that's why i'm confident i'm going to win in a landslide. do it by uniting the republican party and uniting this party, not by criticizing other candidates, donald trump on town, but by articulating a vision of where we're going. look at where i am in the polls relative to six months ago. we're well on our way to get there. >> we're not making up any attacks on donald trump. covering his indictments is one thing. how you feel about those is pretty clear. one thing you will be asked about on wednesday night is foreign policy. you said to protect taiwan, you would do this. >> guess what, we'll put a gun in every taiwanese household, train them how to use it. that is how you make xi jinping think twice. >> do you really think that would be a sufficient plan to deter a chinese invasion, if it includes long-range missiles, ground troops, an aerial blockade -- >> kaitlan, kaitlan, kaitlan, kaitlan, of course it's not sufficient. you take that tiny little clip when i've articulated the nixon library last week, a one hour speech with a whole range of deterrents, that is part of it. but i've also said that i would pull russia out of its military alliance with china. i've also said that we would bolster our partnership with india to be able to close the indmen see and the -- strait. i've said that we will send a signal clearly that we will defend taiwan, moving from strategic am by guty to clarity. so, yes, part of this is turning taiwan into a -- i think exporting our second amendment is a relatively free or low-cost way to do that. i find it laughable that you would take that clip and put words into my mouth as though that was a sufficient deterrent. kaitlan, with due respect, that was a joke. >> we're not putting words into your mouth. it's not putting words into your mouth and it's not saying you didn't say those other things. it's just saying that you did say part of your -- i. i never said it was sufficient. >> this is really funny, kaitlan. it's been very educational for me to learn how media works. that is important. no one said that is sufficient and deterrent invasion from india to russia to what i've said we would do with moving gns to the south china see. this is the sufficient of actual deterrents and strategic clarity that we would defend taiwan. yes, i do think i am the president who best knows how to deter china from going after taiwan before we've achieved semiconductor independence, which is the most important policy the next u.s. president can deliver. i gave a specific speech at the nixon library and a big part -- >> you also said you would open up an nra bureau in taiwan. >> yes. >> i just think when you listen to -- >> porcupine strategy. >> -- to deter china, it focuses on radar systems and missiles they need, not necessarily ar-15s. >> kaitlan, you might be able to do this trick better with other candidates -- >> it's not a trick. >> i have been clear -- >> i'm simply asking what are your plans with taiwan, as suggested. >> what i have said countless times is strategic partnership with india to close the -- strait if necessary, where china gets it's middle eastern oil supplies. end the war in ukraine by pulling apart the russia/china alliance. xi jinping's calculus right now is if the u.s. actually is in duel conflict with russia and c china, that makes it easier to go after china and taiwan. i've said this many times. we should take any one of the destroyers that are in japan, run one a week through the taiwan strait until we've achieved semiconductor independence. loaded with 100-plus tomahawks a piece to the south china sea and the indian ocean. this is part of a comprehensive stranl i've articulated in multiple places. i do think there is a reason why china does not have a second amendment. china is definathly afraid of a second amendment in its own country. making that an export to taiwan is what many experts call the porcupine strategy, which i subscribe to and believe in. i will not allow someone to put words in my mouth. >> i'm not putting words in your mouth. we played a quote you made. >> i never said it was sufficient. >> another comment you made that is getting attention today about 9/11, a report in "the atlantic," you said, quote, i think it is legitimate to say how many police, how many federal agents, were on the planes that hit the twin towers. maybe the answer is zero. it probably is zero for all i know, right? i have no reason to think it was anything other than zero. if we're doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9/11, we have a 9/11 commission. absolutely there should be an answer. the public knows the answer too. explain to me what you meant there. >> really, it's funny, "the atlantic" is playing the same game as cnn. what i said is on january 6th, i do believe there were many federal agents in the field and we deserve to know who they are. on nooin levin, what i've said is the government lied. this is incontrovertible evidence. there was a saudi spy named -- who they lied and the government lied and the 9/11 commission lied. we know that because declassified reports in 2021 -- >> which president biden declassified. >> what's that? >> the report that president biden declassified. >> yes. >> your quote here -- >> 20 years later. >> how many federal agents were on the plane at the twin towers. >> this is just lifting the curtain on how media works again. i asked that reporter to send the recording. it was on the record. he refused to do it. there are lies the government has told about 9/11. but it's not the ones somebody put in my mouth. it's the ones i articulated. saudi arabia, absolutely their intelligence was voefed in 9/11. separately as it relates to january 6th, same story all over again. there were federal agents in the field. i think they've lied about how many there were. and we the people deserve the truth despite the layers of distortion that exist in the media. >> you're saying you were disquoted here. we will take you at your word here. you were asked another time recently about whether or not 9/11 was an inside job. this is what your response was. >> 9/11, inside job or exactly as the government tells us? >> i don't believe the government has told us the truth. again, i'm driven by evidence and data. what i've seen in the last several years is we have to be skeptical of what the government does tell us. i haven't seen evidence to the contrary. do i believe everything the government told us about it? absolutely not. 9/11 commission. absolutely not. >> i think people look at those comments, they look at what you said in "the atlantic," which you say you were misquoted, they look at comments you've made about the federal reserve adding zeros to media companies' bank accounts, it looks like you're floating conspiracy theories with this defense of, i'm just asking questions. >> well, when you actually quote me, those are my words, and i stand by them. so, somebody else quoting me putting words in my mouth, i have a problem with. those words i stand by. you want to know why? we literally know the fbi, the 9/11 commission, the u.s. government on down told us specifically that saudi arabia had no involvement. 20-plus years later, quietly declassifying documents. it was a saudi intelligence agent that received two of those agents that crashed planes. >> the question is is 9/11 an inside job and you didn't say no. >> kaitlan, kaitlan, you know what's really funny? you literally just played it. he said, or do you believe everything the government has told us. my answer was, i do not believe everything the government has told us. and i know this game comes up, kaitlan, every time there's an outsider comes in. >> it leaves the door open, and someone who's a 9/11 truther says that's exactly what i believe. you think the government is lying about 9/11? >> i think the government has systemically and for a very long time lied about 9/11. >> what parts exactly are they lying about? >> saudi arabia's involvement. it is absolutely true. >> but you don't think that 9/11 was an inside job, correct? >> of course not, and i've never said -- >> but that's a pretty simple answer. it's not a media filter. you have to stop blaming the media. i'm asking you about comments you have made. >> and i'm telling you the comments you made, the ones you just played, are indeed what i just played, which was not that 9/11 was an inside job but that saudi arabia absolutely was involved and our government, for 20 years, lied to the american people about it. >> there was an entire 9/11 commission report on this. >> yes. and it lied. and it was false. and in fact, you know where that's coming out, kaitlan? there's now a case, a federal case in the southern district of new york, where the government of saudi arabia is being sued by victims of the families. that's why this is resurfacing itself. it is relevant. >> but there's a difference in asking questions about saudi arabia's involvement and the government's involvement and pushing this idea, your comment about who was on the plane and was 9/11 an inside job where you did not say no earlier. that's why it's important to clarify those comments. otherwise it feels like you're toeing at the line when it comes to conspiracy theories. >> kaitlan, i am guilty as charged that i do not follow the donor approved script on these questions, but i am speaking truth grounded in fact at every step of the way. that's what's really alis itted an anaphylactic reaction of the kind we saw in 2016 against a different candidate. this time i'm going to be grounded in principles and conviction, not just grievance. >> we hope you're grounded in evidence. that's all we're asking for. vivek ramaswamy, thanks so much for your time tonight. >> thank you, kaitlan. >> we'll talk about those comments coming up. also what a debate will look like without the far and away front runner. will vivek ramaswamy and others on stage be able to capitalize on his absence? we'll take it to two political power houses next. we never just see the numbers, we see the people. my dad started trek in a red barn in waterloo, wisconsin. and now it spans the globe. you wanna take what was given to you and you wanna build it. and you wanna pass it along. if i can do that, i would have done well. that's why we're here... to help 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he's just not ready. >> he'll be on the stage wednesday night. trump will not be there. what do you make of the fact is it going to be the opportunity for other candidates to seize the moment? is it going to be, even if you have a breakout performance, trump turns himself in in georgia the next day and is unforgettable. >> everybody is going to be playing for number two, convince donors and supporters they should be the head-to-head candidate against donald trump. chris christie will litigate the case. i expect more infighting on the stage. i think there's going to be a lot of shots at desantis. and i think the vet is going to get challenged on some of the out of the box policy approaches. >> desantis has been on defense for months now. he was, over the weekend, his campaign, after he was talking about what trump posted on truth social and said they can't be these listless vessels. he said they were referred to people in congress and not voters. is that an aappropriating for the trump campaign? is it a gentlemen jitl re -- >> the danger for donald trump not showing up i think is this. if for some reason one of these candidates does something that catches fire, it's an interesting point. he won't be on stage to tamp that fire down. he won't be able to redirect. donald trump, if he's good at anything, he can take the limelight and steal it back. he'll be trying to do it through social media posts, which might not have the same impact as him being on stage. >> what about republican voters? wault wault journal op-ed, they have been critical of trump recently. on the idea he's ducking out of the debate, they said, he's carrying into the general election more baggage than british royals. yet mr. trump expects gop voters to nominate him without as much as a debate. >> it's hard to say. strategically i don't think it makes sense for trump to be there. i don't see what he has to gain. i think for democracy and for the voters, seeing what he's for and his next term is important, and he should be there. honestly i hope it's an opportunity that someone like nikki haley or tim scott is able to break through and reach some americans with the idea that we could talk about something other than four indictments, other than the baggage of 2020. one thing i am going to be watching for, how are they going to deal with the election lies and the question over did joe biden win in 2020? they they've got their own legal things they've got to dance around following the dominion lawsuit. that will be interesting for the candidates and the network. >> we'll see whatever happens on stage, donald trump's statements, whatever they say on stage, we will be comparing what each candidate says versus what donald trump thinks. his ghost will be on the stage, even though his body won't. speaking of earlier rudy giuliani in georgia, he's learning the hard way that trump is not going to be paying his legal bills based on our reporting. now another indicted trump attorney is saying that as well, jenna ellis, something my next guest may not be surprised to hear. michael cohen knows from experience. he'll be here next. how can you sleep on such a firm setting? gab, mine is almost the same as yours. almost is just another word for not as good as mine. save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smarbed. plus, free home delivery w. shop now only at sleep number. my cpa told me i wouldn't qualify for the erc tax refund, so i called innovation refunds. their team of independent tax attorneys will work with your cpa to determine if your company is eligible. 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what do you make of the fact that there are some people's bills he covers. >> there is never a reason for donald that you can isolate and say, why is he paying, well, you know, for john jr., right, or for kimberly gargoyle. but we don't know as to why not for jenna ellis. why not for rudy giuliani. donald is an idiot. let me be very clear when it comes to paying money, he is truly an idiot. he has not learned yet that the last person you want -- three people you don't want to throw under the bus like that, your lawyer, your doctor, and your mechanic. one way or the other you're going to go down the hill and there will be no brakes. that's the problem. he has still not learned allegedly from rudy's own mouth, he claims that he has smoking gun information about donald. well, if that's true, i strongly suggest rudy -- and i don't have to suggest anything to rudy. he's the one that, you know, basically came up with this concept of strong arming when he was the head of the southern district of new york. he's going to need to speak, and he's going to need to speak before everybody else does. >> do you think trump's making a mistake by not paying for more of rudy giuliani's legal fees? >> absolutely. >> what do you think about rudy giuliani? he -- what we are told from our reporting is that he went down there with bob costello, his attorney, twice in late april. they basically told trump it was in his best interest to pay for rudy giuliani's legal fees. he paid a small fee, but not the seven figures that he's dealing with. >> or any of the money that donald allegedly owed to rudy from past performance, which, again, it's not -- the job that rudy did for donald, i don't know if i would pay either. but at the end of the day, when your life is basically hanging on the line, once again, you just don't really want to throw another lawyer under the bus. >> what do you make of the restrictions that were placed as part of trump's bond deal today? it's essentially not threatening other codefendants, unindicted coconspirators. >> so, unless you're the recipient of the hatred that comes from donald trump's posts like i have been and continue to be, unless you're the recipient of the hatred from the people that follow donald, you really can't understand how devastating it is. i applaud the judge for putting restrictions on him. and i understand the argument about the first amendment, that they're stifling, the former president, the republican presumed nominee. i get it. but donald, with his, you know, with his dog whistle, truly has the ability to change people's lives. >> do you think he can comply with this? 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