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washington, d.c. i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin this morning with the apocalyptic destruction in hawaii, the deadliest national disaster in state history. at least 80 people are dead. and thousands more displaced from the wildfires. and now, rescue crews are bringing in cadaver dogs to help search what is left of burned buildings. devastation from the lahaina fire, costing an estimated $5.5 billion am in mountainy county. one lawmaker tells cnn the statement unestimated the possibility of wildfires and failed to plan for emergency issues with the government alert center. the governor has looked at a comprehensive review of the state's response all of this developing as we are seeing more videos of harrowing escapes. >> we got to walk somewhere. over there. by the beach. [ bleep ]. >> no, no, no not like this. not like this. no. [ bleep ]. >> oh, my gosh. i mean that family did eventually make it to an evacuation shelter, after taking refuge on rocks, by the ocean. let's go now to cnn's mike valero on maui. what is the latest you are hearing from officials on how to proceed from here? >> fredericka, good morning. we are standing in the middle of a shutdown highway. this is where scores of motorists, as we zoom in to the darkness here, have been waiting overnight, sleeping in their cars, trucks, suvs, for hours. to get back into lahaina. this is the main way in and out of the disaster zone that was opened briefly yesterday, but shut down when it was opened from noon to 4:00 p.m. how long you have been waiting here? >> since 4:00 yesterday afternoon. all of these vehicles have been waiting. we have been -- there's people sleeping. this is not safe. whatever they're doing -- >> you're one of them why -- >> yes, we're trying to get supplies and come back. they should escort us back, we have families, kids, and we have [ bleep ] going on and i have been in disaster zones and this is bull -- >> ma'am, we will catch up with you later. so just one, again, of the scores of people who are here, the plan, with so many people waiting for, is for this entry point right over here to come back open, 6:00 a.m. local time, so just in about about an hour, to check to see what is left of their homes, and on that front, we have new video that came in from the national guard, and you can see dozens and dozens of troops, going through the wreckage of what is left, and we have noticed in some of the flames that troops have started to spray paint xs on what is left of, you know, concrete, wooden structures, to mark that the interiors of buildings have been searched. but you know, fredricka, as we started the broadcast a couple of minutes ago, you noticed the latest figures that we have from the pacific disaster center and from fema, the first real projected total of what it could cost to rebuild lahaina, and the surrounding areas, 5.5billion dollars, 2,207 structures damaged or destroyed. 4,500 people is the potential number of citizens here across maui who will need to be sheltered. i would say, you know, it is certainly fair to characterize the mood here, as one of extreme anxiety, and to that note, we also have some video in the control room of just before sunset yesterday, there was another brush fire that started off, that sparked north of lahaina, and it caused an evacuation order. thankfully we were able to report that it is 100% contained, but fredricka, it broke out near a center that was scheduled to distribute free fuel to people who were running out of gas. who are living in their cars right now. and because of that brush fire, just north of the disaster zone, that give-away that was scheduled for today is shut down, there are no plans to reopen it. so again, a lot of uncertainty, we're going to keep you posted. we will be here for the next several hours, but we are hoping to get so many of these cars and families back into lahaina, where it is safe, just to see s left, so they can decide to do, or can decide what they can do next in the days ahead. fred? >> yes, lots of uncertainty, lots of frustration, exhibited by the woman that approached you there, and mike, i know you're anxious to talk with her again and see what the rest of her, and others experiences have been like. thank you very much. we will check back with you. joining me now is a representative with the hawaii tourism authority. so good to see you again. sadly under these circumstances. you and i spoke last december, during the mauna loa eruption. and we have just seen and heard from the woman who approached our reporter, mike, a lot of frustration, you know, and there's still so much more uncertainty, understandably, because of these circumstances. but what are you hearing from people you know on maui, and what are the frustrations that they've been expressing to you? >> well, thanks for that, fredricka, good to talk to you again, and unfortunately, under these circumstances. there's lots of frustration, a lot of that frustration is the difficulty in communication, and when you lose power, when you lose connectivity, cell phone connectivity, over such a large area, there's always going to be a thirst for information, and so it's really difficult to be patient in times like this, but lots of people are working really hard to help those in, gets out if they need to, and to make sure whatever area is opened up can be done safely. >> what have you heard specifically from people, friends, loved ones, colleagues, that are on maui, and what they've been experiencing? >> you know, it's difficult to hear a lot of the on the ground observations. we see bits and pieces here and there. our focus here has been helping visitors get out. and the reason for that focus, you know, in our case, the reason for our assignment to that mission is to alleviate the pressure on the community, alleviate the pressure on residents, alleviate the traffic, so that attention and resources can be focused on where it needs to be, on helping the residents recover. >> now, you're joining us from oahu, right? the island of oahu, right? >> yes. >> where honolulu is. and so you are also just a wealth of knowledge of the cultural and historical significance of all of the islands. i remember when we last spoke in december, you so eloquently helped express to people, you know, so much that is acrssay credit there in hawaii. >> for this town of lahaina, so much loss to these wildfires, homes, businesses, but it is a place of so much historical significance. a place of burial for hawaiian kings, royalty, talk to me about the unimaginable devastation and the impact on the history there, and the stories of many generations. >> sure, you know, many have characterized lahaina in the coverage of the fires as a tourist mecca, or a tourist destination, and it is certainly attracting the interest and the love of many, many people, and as you said, there's a deep history, lahaina is a former capital of the hawaiian kingdom for about 50 years. the capital of maui's leaders for long before that. the former, the royal compound, surrounded by wetlands, home to some of the very powerful spirits of maui, and it's important to recall all of that, and it is also important to keep first and foremost in mind what the families of the area are going through. because it is really in the families and in the hearts of the residents of those places that those kinds of stories, those kinds of histories live, and so our hearts, our prayers, all of our thoughts are with those families who have lost loved ones, who have lost their homes, who have lost businesses, livelihoods, lifestyles, it is just devastating. >> it is devastating for those who have survived it, there is that push and pull, right, of leaving, because there is so much destruction, but then it is very difficult for many to leave because they feel like they're abandoning, you know, places they know, that they cherish, so what has that been like as far as you know, in terms of in honolulu, there is emergency assistant centers, there are, you know, planes that have been landing empty, to help get people out, but talk to me about how it is perhaps very difficult to get some people to relocate, even though they have lost everything, or people who want to go see what might remain, talk to me about that struggle that you're seeing in people there. >> it's absolutely difficult. and we heard it in the resident who was talking to mike. we saw mike when he first landed in hawaii, he came to the hawaii convention center first, we talked to him then, but there is so much emotion, and i understand it, and people want to go and see, it is a challenge to move that many people through an area that's been devastated the way that lahaina has. i mean officials are asking for patience. i understand that is something that is in short supply. it's -- when you have something that devastating, there's lots of unknowns. you know, we think about electrical wires around, we think about some of the hazardous materials, people keeping their homes, they live in the homes, they were droyed and what happens to all of that, lots of unknowns and safety is always going to be important. >> very frustrating, of course, it's hard to find the right answers for all of the predicaments, problems, and challenges. thank you so much for being with us again. appreciate it. >> mahala. for more information on how you can help hawaii wildfire victims go to cnn.com/impact or text hawaii to 707070, to donate. to washington now. where a u.s. district judge has issued a protective order barring a former president from publicly disclosing any sensitive information about the election interference case. cnn's jessica schneider has details. the case against donald trump in washington, d.c. is moving rapidly, and the judge in this case is really being firm on what trump and his legal team can and cannot disclose about this case to the public. so judge issued a protective order, and it lays out that trump and his team cannot disclose any sensitive information, given to them, during the discovery process. so that includes material about the grand jury, or search warrants, and she also issued several warnings to trump, she noted that even though he's running a political campaign, he still has to, in her words, yield to the administration of justice. and she said, that means that his political speech has to be somewhat limited, and that is how it is going to be, and she said she is going to be carefully scrutinizing statements from trump and his team, she says anything that can be sberpinterpreted to be intimidating to witnesses or prejudicial to potential jurors, it can threaten the whole process in this case. under all of these terms, prosecutors say they are prepared to begin handing over material immediately. that includes 11.6 million pages of documents. it includes hundreds of recordings of witness interviews. which trump of course will be prohibited from disclosing publicly. and now, we will see how quickly this case will go to trial. the prosecution has already said they want it to start january 2nd. trump's legal team has to propose their start date sometime next week. they will likely propose it after the election in 2024. but really, at the rate the judge is moving, me shiet want to move closer to the prosecution's proposed january 2024 date, so we will see. jessica schneider, cnn, washington. let's talk more about all of this with former federal prosecutor and robert mueller's former special assistant at the department of justice, michael zeldin. also the host of "that said" podcast. trump is a criminal defendant. and therefore, the court has a right to limit his speech, if he intimidates or harasses witnesses. so what happens if trump completely ignores the judge's order? >> ultimately, the death sentence for him is that his probation, while out on bail here, will be revoked, and there will be a step back, meaning he will be jailed, that is the ultimate weapon that the judge has. i think though, that she will keep calling them back in, and giving them warnings, and imposing gag orders and other intermediate steps, but ultimately, trump's liberty is in his own hands. if he elects to continue to thwart the rules that the judge sets in place, she has the authority to step him back. and we just saw that happen in another case recently. >> right. we did indeed. and there was no hesitation in that. a judge said, the judge said in this case called the political campaign his day job. how seriously will the campaign be considered in the context of a trial? we know a date has been set. but we also note there is always wiggle room with that. how will the campaign trail impact the ultimate selection of trial dates? >> according to the judge, not at all. she is determined to keep politics out of this. and his day job, if you will, running for president, is not her concern. her concern is the orderly administration of justice, and she is going to adhere to a trial schedule that is consistent with the way in which trials are ordinarily held in the district of columbia, federal courts. and what she said to trump's lawyers, which is maybe the ultimate threat, is she said if you keep it up, i'll be forced to move the trial date up closer, rather than further away. their strategy is delay, delay, delay. and her idea is if you keep tup, we will have a trial earlier. take your choice. >> the judge has the discretion to do that. essentially use it as a threat or leverage that this court is taking this very seriously, this case. or any case. >> exactly. exactly. what she is saying i want to make sure we have witnesses protected, and we have an honest jury pool here, and one that is not tainted, and if your constant writings on social media interfere with that, i will no choice but to move this up closer to limit the impact of witness interference or jury tampering. >> stick around, michael zeldin. we have more to talk about straight ahead. also still to come, shuttle diplomacy. how u.s. and iranian diplomats worked in separate hotels in doha, as qua tar officials delayed -- relayed messages back and forth to reach deal to detain four americans in iranian. and the attorney general and the special counsel into the investigation into hunter biden, the stunning twist coming with prosecutors and defense attorneys at an impasse in the case, making it more likely the president's son is heading to trial. stay with us. almost is just another word for not as good as mine. save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bebed. plus, 36 month financing onon select smart beds. shopop now only at sleep number. you can save money by spending less of it. makes sense! ohi see what you did there! - what? - what? i don't get it. hehe. - [narrator] what if there was a 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maybe. welcome back. diplomats from qatar acted as a key go-between between the u.s. and iran that saw four americans released from an iranian prison. over the course of two years neither side ever directly spoke to the other. the four americans remain under house arrest but have all been released from the notorious prison. three of the four have been identified. in exchange for their return, the united states will eventually release some 6 billion dollars of iranian funds that had been frozen. several iranian prisoners will also be released from u.s. detention. cnn national security correspondent kylie atwood has been working on this reporting and she is in washington, here this morning, to give us more. so what are some of the new details that we're learning? >> reporter: listen, fredricka, if there is shuttle diplomacy between two separate hotels in doha, qatar, that developed this deal, to release these americans imprisoned in iran, with the american delegation at one hotel, and the iranian delegation at a separate one, to see the hotel that the other side was at, through the window, but they couldn't talk to one another, the u.s. and iran don't have formal diplomatic relations, so it was actually qatar officials shuttling back and forth, bringing messages, often texting the u.s. side to let them know logistical updates and we will be back in an hour, back in two hours, this is how it was all figured out and it wasn't until six months ago that the overall broad contours of the deal began to cyst lize, and of course, you laid out to what those contours are with the 6 billion dollars that are iranian funds being moved from south korea to qatar over the course of the next few weeks, and also there is expectation that there are iranians who are imprisoned in the u.s. that will be released, but it was really just days before these four americans who were imprisoned in iran were actually released and put under house arrest that u.s. officials realized that their plan was going to actually begin to go into motion here. and i think it's important to note that there's still a lot of way to go. the u.s. officials are wary, because you know, there is the expectation, according to sources, familiar with these negotiations, that there are elements within the iranian system that don't want this to happen and the complexities of what they have laid out here makes this really challenging. particularly because it's going to happen over the course of the next few weeks. to get these americans home. but we have heard from u.s. officials who are involved in these negotiations, who are hopeful, the secretary of state saying that he believes this is the beginning of the end to this nightmare for these americans. >> so house arrest for now. the hope is temporary, before getting back to u.s. soil? >> that's right. so the expectation is hopefully sometime in september, according to sources familiar with these negotiations, it all turns out well, that these americans will be back in the u.s., with their families. >> thank you so much, at the state department, appreciate it. let's get more analysis now, on this deal, with me now is the executive vice president at the institute for responsible state craft, author of the book "losing an enemy". so good to see you. so what did you think of this deal? are you encouraged by it? >> certainly encouraged by it. these americans deserve to come home. they should never have been imprisoned in the first place. they have essentially been hostages. and it has been nerve-wracking, because these negotiations, as you report, stated, that they have been going on for years. they have been close several times before. they have never been this close however. yet because of this delay of their release, there is reason to be cautious because there are reports say that there are elements that are involved, and as carqatar in the past have be successful and there are many critics in the washington and in the united states that would like to stop this as well, so there's problems and complications on both sides for this to be completely finalized and e.tsee -- see these america back home and back with their families. it is very fragile because of the interim period, the house arrest, and like you mentioned, there are some elements that iran does not want this to happen. what should be the stature of americans, or the state department? how do they proceed with some confidence in this deal, yet at the same time, some reticence that it is a complete done deal? >> i think the biden administration is doing the right thing right now. i think you're going to see a degree of the estimation in other areas as well. to maximize the likelihood that this deal will be finalized and that these americans can come home and at the same time be very cautious, because nothing is done until they're safe on american soil. >> and then let's talk a little bit more about the deal that we know, this money, it won't go to directly to iran, but to a third party, and to be used for humanitarian aid, how important is it to have those conditions in place? >> i think for the biden administration, this is absolutely critical. because the critics will make the argument that biden is giving money to the iranians, which is not the case. this is iranian money. but even just releasing it, they want to go that extra length to make sure that money can only be used for medicine and food items, and the way that the deal is structured, it is nrly impossible for the iranians to use it for anything else but but opposing this as some have done, is a bit curious, and essentially they want the americans in the prison or you want to see the iranian people starve and it is difficult to take that position and at the same time claim that they are on the same of the protests that have been fighting so courageously for the last year for their freedoms and their liberties as well. you can't do that and at the same time want to starve them. >> yes. i understand what you're saying. i wonder, what does this, does this deal demonstrate anything about what where sanctions against iran are working? >> i think more than anything else, it is showing that the diplomacy is needed in order to get breakthroughs. the only time we have seen the united states successfully change a security policy is the jcpoa which has been preceded by more than two and a half years of very, very intense diplomacy. sanctions is part of the mix. it is part of the leverage. but if you want to use it as leverage, you actually have to be willing to lift it, and some of the critics of this deal have always been against lifting the sanctions, which then eliminates them as the bargaining card in the negotiations. so in order to actually be able to make use of it, you have to offer to lift those sanctions. and in this specific instance, all we're talking about is unfreezing of iranian assets. it is no sanctions that are being lifted. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. straight ahead, u.s. attorney general merrick garland has named a special counsel to investigate hunter biden after talks with the justice department fell apart. what it means for the investigation and why some republican lawmakers are upset by this decision next. works fas. ♪ heheat makes it last. feel the power of contrast therapapy. ♪ so you can rise from pain.n. icy hot. this is how tosin lost 33 pounds on noom weight. i'm tosin. noom gave her a psychological approach to weight loss. noom has taught me how you think about food has such a... huge impact on your relationship with it. visit noom.com and start your trial today. they're off from school, but not really home. images and videos. social media, fine-tuned to suck them in. and steal them away. alone you can't stop it. together we will. we have a plan. join us. 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>> well, it does a couple of things. one is it insulates him a little bit more from the allegation that this is being weaponized, the d.o.j., headed by merrick garland, blah-blah-blah. it also helps him in his attempts to hold back the congressional enquirers who have wanted him to testify on the hill, and have requested whether or not he has the authority to do the whole investigation, questioned whether or not he has the authority to do the whole investigation, you have the whistle-blower accusing him of bad faith, so all of these things are the extraordinary types of circumstances that the special counsel regulations contemplate and i think merrick garland did the safe thing in elevating him from u.s. attorney in charge of this investigation to special counsel in charge of this investigation. >> so you see it as both a legal strategy and a political strategy? >> yes, i think so. i think the special counsel regulations say when there are extraordinary circumstances and the public interest is best served by the appointment of a special counsel, one shall be appointed. and i think as marshall said, when merrick garland looked at this and said these are pretty extraordinary circumstances, the prosecution of the president's son, and the public interest being called into question, because of republican attacks from the hill, and the irs whistle-blower, the safer thing is to appoint weiss as a special counsel to take all of those issues off the table. >> so now, it does look like it is headed toward trial, but again, anything could happen. this plea deal fell apart. still unknown publicly why it failed. we know the judge expressed concerns that investigations were not complete. so how will that misstep impact how the special counsel moves forward? why use the scope of probes? or even how hunter biden's attorneys might prepare? >> so it seems as if where the breakdown was, was the view of whether or not the tax and gun charges for which hunter biden was prepared to plead guilty would end everything. the prosecutor said no, no, there's still the foreign agent registration act era, as it is known, the aspect of the investigation, that is still ongoing. the defense attorney said we thought that was off the table once we pleaded guilty. the prosecutor says no you're mistaken and the plea breaks down and it seems now that the fairer part of the investigation, their part of the investigation is going to be the biggest problem for hunter biden going forward. how do they deal with this allegation that he improperly received funds from iran, from china, from everywhere else in the world that they've accused him of receiving funds from, and we'll see how it plays out. >> can you have a fair trial after you have attempted to plead on some of those charges and now a trial might involve those same charges again? >> it's a great question. in this case, what's interesting is when the plea gets revoked, and they have to bring criminal charges, what would have been a plea in delaware is now going to be a criminal trial in either the district of columbia or california. so you've got a whole new jury pool to consider. so it always looks funny when you say plead guilty, but then i'm not going to do it and i want to go to trial, but i think the jurors will be instructed about that and have to put it aside and move forward with the trial if that is what happens. i still think there will be a plea agreement, but we'll have to see. >> michael zeldin, thanks so much. >> thanks, fred. coming up, a major military scandal in ukraine. president zelenskyy dismissed officials in charge of all regional military recruitment centers amid widespread corruption. while russian shelling continues on the eastern front. we will go live to ukraine next. he snores like an angry rhino. you've never heard an angry rhino. baby i hear one every night... every night. ok. i'll work on that. save 5 on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, 36 month financing on select smart beds shop now only at sleep number. hi, i'm stacey, and i've lost 60 pounds on golo. 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>> reporter: yes, remarkable scenes at the bridge which is perhaps the only un-dependent part of accessing the annexed part of ukraine, the krinlian peninsula from the russian mainland. it has been under attack before in october and july and it appears it has happened again now and those who are there, with the smoke around the billion dollar infrastructure, this appears to be released by the russians deliberately to on cure the bridge and, to on cure the bridge, perhaps to change the drone trajectory. and it is two or three missiles aimed at the drudge. and look, in all of these things, it is hard to tell in the hours quite what the truth of the matter is. explosions were reported there. by some onlookers. hard to tell exactly what the damage was, if any indeed occurred. and as you say, traffic appeared to have resumed. it is another reminder of ukraine's increased reach, the ability to hit infrastructure, that is some ways quite dear to vladimir putin, he has visited that bridge on multiple occasions and it cost him an absolutely fortune and a reminder too of the ukraine's projectile so much further toward russia than the start of the war. you can see the shocking reminders in the last 24 hours of how vulnerable children are in the russian indiscriminate attacks. we saw two missiles landing near a children's playground in zaporizhzhia at a hotel yesterday. now it is the children here, the city under significant russian bombardment as russia appears, to tries to change the narrative on the front line and distract ukrainian troops to slow the advance. now the suggestion is they will have to get the 500 or so children out as quickly as they can. they have perhaps gone back to that city after liberation last year, and now, likely on the move again. fredricka? 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washington, d.c. i'm fredricka whitfield. we begin this morning with the apocalyptic destruction in hawaii, the deadliest national disaster in state history. at least 80 people are dead. and thousands more displaced from the wildfires. and now, rescue crews are bringing in cadaver dogs to help search what is left of burned buildings. devastation from the lahaina fire, costing an estimated $5.5 billion am in mountainy county. one lawmaker tells cnn the statement unestimated the possibility of wildfires and failed to plan for emergency issues with the government alert center. the governor has looked at a comprehensive review of the state's response all of this developing as we are seeing more videos of harrowing escapes. >> we got to walk somewhere. over there. by the beach. [ bleep ]. >> no, no, no not like this. not like this. no. [ bleep ]. >> oh, my gosh. i mean that family did eventually make it to an evacuation shelter, after taking refuge on rocks, by the ocean. let's go now to cnn's mike valero on maui. what is the latest you are hearing from officials on how to proceed from here? >> fredericka, good morning. we are standing in the middle of a shutdown highway. this is where scores of motorists, as we zoom in to the darkness here, have been waiting overnight, sleeping in their cars, trucks, suvs, for hours. to get back into lahaina. this is the main way in and out of the disaster zone that was opened briefly yesterday, but shut down when it was opened from noon to 4:00 p.m. how long you have been waiting here? >> since 4:00 yesterday afternoon. all of these vehicles have been waiting. we have been -- there's people sleeping. this is not safe. whatever they're doing -- >> you're one of them why -- >> yes, we're trying to get supplies and come back. they should escort us back, we have families, kids, and we have [ bleep ] going on and i have been in disaster zones and this is bull -- >> ma'am, we will catch up with you later. so just one, again, of the scores of people who are here, the plan, with so many people waiting for, is for this entry point right over here to come back open, 6:00 a.m. local time, so just in about about an hour, to check to see what is left of their homes, and on that front, we have new video that came in from the national guard, and you can see dozens and dozens of troops, going through the wreckage of what is left, and we have noticed in some of the flames that troops have started to spray paint xs on what is left of, you know, concrete, wooden structures, to mark that the interiors of buildings have been searched. but you know, fredricka, as we started the broadcast a couple of minutes ago, you noticed the latest figures that we have from the pacific disaster center and from fema, the first real projected total of what it could cost to rebuild lahaina, and the surrounding areas, 5.5billion dollars, 2,207 structures damaged or destroyed. 4,500 people is the potential number of citizens here across maui who will need to be sheltered. i would say, you know, it is certainly fair to characterize the mood here, as one of extreme anxiety, and to that note, we also have some video in the control room of just before sunset yesterday, there was another brush fire that started off, that sparked north of lahaina, and it caused an evacuation order. thankfully we were able to report that it is 100% contained, but fredricka, it broke out near a center that was scheduled to distribute free fuel to people who were running out of gas. who are living in their cars right now. and because of that brush fire, just north of the disaster zone, that give-away that was scheduled for today is shut down, there are no plans to reopen it. so again, a lot of uncertainty, we're going to keep you posted. we will be here for the next several hours, but we are hoping to get so many of these cars and families back into lahaina, where it is safe, just to see s left, so they can decide to do, or can decide what they can do next in the days ahead. fred? >> yes, lots of uncertainty, lots of frustration, exhibited by the woman that approached you there, and mike, i know you're anxious to talk with her again and see what the rest of her, and others experiences have been like. thank you very much. we will check back with you. joining me now is a representative with the hawaii tourism authority. so good to see you again. sadly under these circumstances. you and i spoke last december, during the mauna loa eruption. and we have just seen and heard from the woman who approached our reporter, mike, a lot of frustration, you know, and there's still so much more uncertainty, understandably, because of these circumstances. but what are you hearing from people you know on maui, and what are the frustrations that they've been expressing to you? >> well, thanks for that, fredricka, good to talk to you again, and unfortunately, under these circumstances. there's lots of frustration, a lot of that frustration is the difficulty in communication, and when you lose power, when you lose connectivity, cell phone connectivity, over such a large area, there's always going to be a thirst for information, and so it's really difficult to be patient in times like this, but lots of people are working really hard to help those in, gets out if they need to, and to make sure whatever area is opened up can be done safely. >> what have you heard specifically from people, friends, loved ones, colleagues, that are on maui, and what they've been experiencing? >> you know, it's difficult to hear a lot of the on the ground observations. we see bits and pieces here and there. our focus here has been helping visitors get out. and the reason for that focus, you know, in our case, the reason for our assignment to that mission is to alleviate the pressure on the community, alleviate the pressure on residents, alleviate the traffic, so that attention and resources can be focused on where it needs to be, on helping the residents recover. >> now, you're joining us from oahu, right? the island of oahu, right? >> yes. >> where honolulu is. and so you are also just a wealth of knowledge of the cultural and historical significance of all of the islands. i remember when we last spoke in december, you so eloquently helped express to people, you know, so much that is acrssay credit there in hawaii. >> for this town of lahaina, so much loss to these wildfires, homes, businesses, but it is a place of so much historical significance. a place of burial for hawaiian kings, royalty, talk to me about the unimaginable devastation and the impact on the history there, and the stories of many generations. >> sure, you know, many have characterized lahaina in the coverage of the fires as a tourist mecca, or a tourist destination, and it is certainly attracting the interest and the love of many, many people, and as you said, there's a deep history, lahaina is a former capital of the hawaiian kingdom for about 50 years. the capital of maui's leaders for long before that. the former, the royal compound, surrounded by wetlands, home to some of the very powerful spirits of maui, and it's important to recall all of that, and it is also important to keep first and foremost in mind what the families of the area are going through. because it is really in the families and in the hearts of the residents of those places that those kinds of stories, those kinds of histories live, and so our hearts, our prayers, all of our thoughts are with those families who have lost loved ones, who have lost their homes, who have lost businesses, livelihoods, lifestyles, it is just devastating. >> it is devastating for those who have survived it, there is that push and pull, right, of leaving, because there is so much destruction, but then it is very difficult for many to leave because they feel like they're abandoning, you know, places they know, that they cherish, so what has that been like as far as you know, in terms of in honolulu, there is emergency assistant centers, there are, you know, planes that have been landing empty, to help get people out, but talk to me about how it is perhaps very difficult to get some people to relocate, even though they have lost everything, or people who want to go see what might remain, talk to me about that struggle that you're seeing in people there. >> it's absolutely difficult. and we heard it in the resident who was talking to mike. we saw mike when he first landed in hawaii, he came to the hawaii convention center first, we talked to him then, but there is so much emotion, and i understand it, and people want to go and see, it is a challenge to move that many people through an area that's been devastated the way that lahaina has. i mean officials are asking for patience. i understand that is something that is in short supply. it's -- when you have something that devastating, there's lots of unknowns. you know, we think about electrical wires around, we think about some of the hazardous materials, people keeping their homes, they live in the homes, they were droyed and what happens to all of that, lots of unknowns and safety is always going to be important. >> very frustrating, of course, it's hard to find the right answers for all of the predicaments, problems, and challenges. thank you so much for being with us again. appreciate it. >> mahala. for more information on how you can help hawaii wildfire victims go to cnn.com/impact or text hawaii to 707070, to donate. to washington now. where a u.s. district judge has issued a protective order barring a former president from publicly disclosing any sensitive information about the election interference case. cnn's jessica schneider has details. the case against donald trump in washington, d.c. is moving rapidly, and the judge in this case is really being firm on what trump and his legal team can and cannot disclose about this case to the public. so judge issued a protective order, and it lays out that trump and his team cannot disclose any sensitive information, given to them, during the discovery process. so that includes material about the grand jury, or search warrants, and she also issued several warnings to trump, she noted that even though he's running a political campaign, he still has to, in her words, yield to the administration of justice. and she said, that means that his political speech has to be somewhat limited, and that is how it is going to be, and she said she is going to be carefully scrutinizing statements from trump and his team, she says anything that can be sberpinterpreted to be intimidating to witnesses or prejudicial to potential jurors, it can threaten the whole process in this case. under all of these terms, prosecutors say they are prepared to begin handing over material immediately. that includes 11.6 million pages of documents. it includes hundreds of recordings of witness interviews. which trump of course will be prohibited from disclosing publicly. and now, we will see how quickly this case will go to trial. the prosecution has already said they want it to start january 2nd. trump's legal team has to propose their start date sometime next week. they will likely propose it after the election in 2024. but really, at the rate the judge is moving, me shiet want to move closer to the prosecution's proposed january 2024 date, so we will see. jessica schneider, cnn, washington. let's talk more about all of this with former federal prosecutor and robert mueller's former special assistant at the department of justice, michael zeldin. also the host of "that said" podcast. trump is a criminal defendant. and therefore, the court has a right to limit his speech, if he intimidates or harasses witnesses. so what happens if trump completely ignores the judge's order? >> ultimately, the death sentence for him is that his probation, while out on bail here, will be revoked, and there will be a step back, meaning he will be jailed, that is the ultimate weapon that the judge has. i think though, that she will keep calling them back in, and giving them warnings, and imposing gag orders and other intermediate steps, but ultimately, trump's liberty is in his own hands. if he elects to continue to thwart the rules that the judge sets in place, she has the authority to step him back. and we just saw that happen in another case recently. >> right. we did indeed. and there was no hesitation in that. a judge said, the judge said in this case called the political campaign his day job. how seriously will the campaign be considered in the context of a trial? we know a date has been set. but we also note there is always wiggle room with that. how will the campaign trail impact the ultimate selection of trial dates? >> according to the judge, not at all. she is determined to keep politics out of this. and his day job, if you will, running for president, is not her concern. her concern is the orderly administration of justice, and she is going to adhere to a trial schedule that is consistent with the way in which trials are ordinarily held in the district of columbia, federal courts. and what she said to trump's lawyers, which is maybe the ultimate threat, is she said if you keep it up, i'll be forced to move the trial date up closer, rather than further away. their strategy is delay, delay, delay. and her idea is if you keep tup, we will have a trial earlier. take your choice. >> the judge has the discretion to do that. essentially use it as a threat or leverage that this court is taking this very seriously, this case. or any case. >> exactly. exactly. what she is saying i want to make sure we have witnesses protected, and we have an honest jury pool here, and one that is not tainted, and if your constant writings on social media interfere with that, i will no 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maybe. welcome back. diplomats from qatar acted as a key go-between between the u.s. and iran that saw four americans released from an iranian prison. over the course of two years neither side ever directly spoke to the other. the four americans remain under house arrest but have all been released from the notorious prison. three of the four have been identified. in exchange for their return, the united states will eventually release some 6 billion dollars of iranian funds that had been frozen. several iranian prisoners will also be released from u.s. detention. cnn national security correspondent kylie atwood has been working on this reporting and she is in washington, here this morning, to give us more. so what are some of the new details that we're learning? >> reporter: listen, fredricka, if there is shuttle diplomacy between two separate hotels in doha, qatar, that developed this deal, to release these americans imprisoned in iran, with the american delegation at one hotel, and the iranian delegation at a separate one, to see the hotel that the other side was at, through the window, but they couldn't talk to one another, the u.s. and iran don't have formal diplomatic relations, so it was actually qatar officials shuttling back and forth, bringing messages, often texting the u.s. side to let them know logistical updates and we will be back in an hour, back in two hours, this is how it was all figured out and it wasn't until six months ago that the overall broad contours of the deal began to cyst lize, and of course, you laid out to what those contours are with the 6 billion dollars that are iranian funds being moved from south korea to qatar over the course of the next few weeks, and also there is expectation that there are iranians who are imprisoned in the u.s. that will be released, but it was really just days before these four americans who were imprisoned in iran were actually released and put under house arrest that u.s. officials realized that their plan was going to actually begin to go into motion here. and i think it's important to note that there's still a lot of way to go. the u.s. officials are wary, because you know, there is the expectation, according to sources, familiar with these negotiations, that there are elements within the iranian system that don't want this to happen and the complexities of what they have laid out here makes this really challenging. particularly because it's going to happen over the course of the next few weeks. to get these americans home. but we have heard from u.s. officials who are involved in these negotiations, who are hopeful, the secretary of state saying that he believes this is the beginning of the end to this nightmare for these americans. >> so house arrest for now. the hope is temporary, before getting back to u.s. soil? >> that's right. so the expectation is hopefully sometime in september, according to sources familiar with these negotiations, it all turns out well, that these americans will be back in the u.s., with their families. >> thank you so much, at the state department, appreciate it. let's get more analysis now, on this deal, with me now is the executive vice president at the institute for responsible state craft, author of the book "losing an enemy". so good to see you. so what did you think of this deal? are you encouraged by it? >> certainly encouraged by it. these americans deserve to come home. they should never have been imprisoned in the first place. they have essentially been hostages. and it has been nerve-wracking, because these negotiations, as you report, stated, that they have been going on for years. they have been close several times before. they have never been this close however. yet because of this delay of their release, there is reason to be cautious because there are reports say that there are elements that are involved, and as carqatar in the past have be successful and there are many critics in the washington and in the united states that would like to stop this as well, so there's problems and complications on both sides for this to be completely finalized and e.tsee -- see these america back home and back with their families. it is very fragile because of the interim period, the house arrest, and like you mentioned, there are some elements that iran does not want this to happen. what should be the stature of americans, or the state department? how do they proceed with some confidence in this deal, yet at the same time, some reticence that it is a complete done deal? >> i think the biden administration is doing the right thing right now. i think you're going to see a degree of the estimation in other areas as well. to maximize the likelihood that this deal will be finalized and that these americans can come home and at the same time be very cautious, because nothing is done until they're safe on american soil. >> and then let's talk a little bit more about the deal that we know, this money, it won't go to directly to iran, but to a third party, and to be used for humanitarian aid, how important is it to have those conditions in place? >> i think for the biden administration, this is absolutely critical. because the critics will make the argument that biden is giving money to the iranians, which is not the case. this is iranian money. but even just releasing it, they want to go that extra length to make sure that money can only be used for medicine and food items, and the way that the deal is structured, it is nrly impossible for the iranians to use it for anything else but but opposing this as some have done, is a bit curious, and essentially they want the americans in the prison or you want to see the iranian people starve and it is difficult to take that position and at the same time claim that they are on the same of the protests that have been fighting so courageously for the last year for their freedoms and their liberties as well. you can't do that and at the same time want to starve them. >> yes. i understand what you're saying. i wonder, what does this, does this deal demonstrate anything about what where sanctions against iran are working? >> i think more than anything else, it is showing that the diplomacy is needed in order to get breakthroughs. the only time we have seen the united states successfully change a security policy is the jcpoa which has been preceded by more than two and a half years of very, very intense diplomacy. sanctions is part of the mix. it is part of the leverage. but if you want to use it as leverage, you actually have to be willing to lift it, and some of the critics of this deal have always been against lifting the sanctions, which then eliminates them as the bargaining card in the negotiations. so in order to actually be able to make use of it, you have to offer to lift those sanctions. and in this specific instance, all we're talking about is unfreezing of iranian assets. it is no sanctions that are being lifted. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. straight ahead, u.s. attorney general merrick garland has named a special counsel to investigate hunter biden after talks with the justice department fell apart. what it means for the investigation and why some republican lawmakers are upset by this decision next. works fas. ♪ heheat makes it last. feel the power of contrast therapapy. ♪ so you can rise from pain.n. icy hot. this is how tosin lost 33 pounds on noom weight. i'm tosin. noom gave her a psychological approach to weight loss. noom has taught me how you think about food has such a... huge impact on your relationship with it. visit noom.com and start your trial today. they're off from school, but not really home. images and videos. social media, fine-tuned to suck them in. and steal them away. alone you can't stop it. together we will. we have a plan. join us. 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>> well, it does a couple of things. one is it insulates him a little bit more from the allegation that this is being weaponized, the d.o.j., headed by merrick garland, blah-blah-blah. it also helps him in his attempts to hold back the congressional enquirers who have wanted him to testify on the hill, and have requested whether or not he has the authority to do the whole investigation, questioned whether or not he has the authority to do the whole investigation, you have the whistle-blower accusing him of bad faith, so all of these things are the extraordinary types of circumstances that the special counsel regulations contemplate and i think merrick garland did the safe thing in elevating him from u.s. attorney in charge of this investigation to special counsel in charge of this investigation. >> so you see it as both a legal strategy and a political strategy? >> yes, i think so. i think the special counsel regulations say when there are extraordinary circumstances and the public interest is best served by the appointment of a special counsel, one shall be appointed. and i think as marshall said, when merrick garland looked at this and said these are pretty extraordinary circumstances, the prosecution of the president's son, and the public interest being called into question, because of republican attacks from the hill, and the irs whistle-blower, the safer thing is to appoint weiss as a special counsel to take all of those issues off the table. >> so now, it does look like it is headed toward trial, but again, anything could happen. this plea deal fell apart. still unknown publicly why it failed. we know the judge expressed concerns that investigations were not complete. so how will that misstep impact how the special counsel moves forward? why use the scope of probes? or even how hunter biden's attorneys might prepare? >> so it seems as if where the breakdown was, was the view of whether or not the tax and gun charges for which hunter biden was prepared to plead guilty would end everything. the prosecutor said no, no, there's still the foreign agent registration act era, as it is known, the aspect of the investigation, that is still ongoing. the defense attorney said we thought that was off the table once we pleaded guilty. the prosecutor says no you're mistaken and the plea breaks down and it seems now that the fairer part of the investigation, their part of the investigation is going to be the biggest problem for hunter biden going forward. how do they deal with this allegation that he improperly received funds from iran, from china, from everywhere else in the world that they've accused him of receiving funds from, and we'll see how it plays out. >> can you have a fair trial after you have attempted to plead on some of those charges and now a trial might involve those same charges again? >> it's a great question. in this case, what's interesting is when the plea gets revoked, and they have to bring criminal charges, what would have been a plea in delaware is now going to be a criminal trial in either the district of columbia or california. so you've got a whole new jury pool to consider. so it always looks funny when you say plead guilty, but then i'm not going to do it and i want to go to trial, but i think the jurors will be instructed about that and have to put it aside and move forward with the trial if that is what happens. i still think there will be a plea agreement, but we'll have to see. >> michael zeldin, thanks so much. >> thanks, fred. coming up, a major military scandal in ukraine. president zelenskyy dismissed officials in charge of all regional military recruitment centers amid widespread corruption. while russian shelling continues on the eastern front. we will go live to ukraine next. he snores like an angry rhino. you've never heard an angry rhino. baby i hear one every night... every night. ok. i'll work on that. save 5 on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, 36 month financing on select smart beds shop now only at sleep number. hi, i'm stacey, and i've lost 60 pounds on golo. 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>> reporter: yes, remarkable scenes at the bridge which is perhaps the only un-dependent part of accessing the annexed part of ukraine, the krinlian peninsula from the russian mainland. it has been under attack before in october and july and it appears it has happened again now and those who are there, with the smoke around the billion dollar infrastructure, this appears to be released by the russians deliberately to on cure the bridge and, to on cure the bridge, perhaps to change the drone trajectory. and it is two or three missiles aimed at the drudge. and look, in all of these things, it is hard to tell in the hours quite what the truth of the matter is. explosions were reported there. by some onlookers. hard to tell exactly what the damage was, if any indeed occurred. and as you say, traffic appeared to have resumed. it is another reminder of ukraine's increased reach, the ability to hit infrastructure, that is some ways quite dear to vladimir putin, he has visited that bridge on multiple occasions and it cost him an absolutely fortune and a reminder too of the ukraine's projectile so much further toward russia than the start of the war. you can see the shocking reminders in the last 24 hours of how vulnerable children are in the russian indiscriminate attacks. we saw two missiles landing near a children's playground in zaporizhzhia at a hotel yesterday. now it is the children here, the city under significant russian bombardment as russia appears, to tries to change the narrative on the front line and distract ukrainian troops to slow the advance. now the suggestion is they will have to get the 500 or so children out as quickly as they can. they have perhaps gone back to that city after liberation last year, and now, likely on the move again. fredricka? 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