these pictures are beyond imagination. nearly every building in the complex destroyed. our exclusive satellite images show large holes in the roof, tell tale evidence of military strikes. but with a temporary ceasefire in place, a ukrainian commander says evacuations of surviving residents are under way. meantime russia's defense ministry has released video showing that it is now using a submarine located somewhere in the black sea to launch cruise missile attacks on ukraine, confirming earlier military claims. and ukraine's president says another mass grave was discovered friday in the kyiv suburb of bucha. since russian forces pulled on the of the area, a total of around 900 civilians have already been found dead. cnn has reporters posted throughout the region covering all the latest news. and we begin with matt rivers. matt, the situation in mariupol sounds increasingly dire for the people in that -- that are still trapped in that city that has been under siege for so long. how long is the alleged ceasefire supposed to last while they get people out of that steel plant? >> reporter: we're still trying to get more information out of the steel plant because it is so difficult to get in touch with people who are there due to the lack of communications infrastructure that is reliable. however it was a few hours ago, that was the last time that we spoke to the commander of the azovstal regimen inside that steel plant that is one of the last remaining fighting units in mariupol. and he said that there are evacuations ongoing with the red cross being involved alongside russia in terms of getting people, civilians, from inside that steel plant complex out, getting them supposedly to ukrainian-held territory in zaporizhzhia. but what he was saying is that only 20 or so civilians of the hundreds that are inside right now have managed to get out. so while this is the first good news in terms of evacuations that we had heard in weeks now, it is certainly not the kind of numbers that we need. especially when you are hearing things like that we saw a tweet today from ukraine's official parliament which said that powerful and deadly epidemics could soon break out in the city due to the lack of centralized water supply and sanitation. and meanwhile i did get a chance to speak to a current commander in the azovstal regimen who was injured in the fighting. he managed to get smuggled out a few weeks ago and he wants the world and president zelenskyy to remember not only the civilians need to get out but also the fighters themselves. >> it is not only civilians it is the president's responsible to save. it is the president's responsible as well to save the military. no man stays behind. and it is his responsibility to deal as well. and we need to a third country as a guarantee with a international nongovernment organizations who will provide guarantee for safe for civilians or military sfl. >> and we've heard that large number of civilians and also the military members that are there simply do not trust the russians to provide safe evacuation of the people that are inside that steel plant complex. they think that as soldiers for example, they might even be executed because of the fact that they have been fighting russia tooth and nail for weeks now. >> understandable that they would not trust the russians. matt rivers, thank you so much. now to randi kaye in mole toe have a where there are. [ moldova that where there are fears that they may be spreading. and why are moldova concern? >> reporter: there is a breakaway republic that sits on the border and we've been talking to people about how concerned they might be about living so close. there are five bridges that connect moldova to trhere. and there were recent explosions where ukrainians are blaming russia. and about 1500 russian troops are based there. and then you have this russian commander who in recent days said that russia wants to control awful southern ukraine and they could possibly create this land corridor that would stretch into tranc. and one guy said that he would stay and fight and protect his family and country. many others though told us that they have passports ready to flee. they won't stick around for what they are seeing happen in ukraine if they can get out. and we spoke to an authority who said that he believes vladimir putin would be looking to show that he could be victorious and that moldova would be an heeasy target. here is what he told me. how concerned do you think they should be about a russian invasion? >> russia invasion may occur depending on the plans of the russian military commandment. and since they are not winning too much in donbas, they would like to have a short victory to be presented to the public in russia. >> reporter: and i mentioned 1500 russian troop s based in tranc transnistria, but the number could jump to 50,000 or more. and moldova is not a member of nato and does consider itself a neutral country. >> randi kaye, thank you so much. let's continue this conversation about u.s. soldiers and veterans feeling compelled to go and help ukraine fight the russians. some actually going over there themselves to do just that. even as the biden administration steadfastly refuses to send troops not wanting to get drawn into a larger war with russia. and here is jen psaki. >> we know people want to help, but we encourage americans to find other ways to do so rather than traveling to -- rather than traveling to ukraine to fight there. takes warzone, it is an active warzone. and we know americans face significant risks. but certainly we know a family is mourning, a wife is mourning, and our hearts are with them. >> joining me now, zachary burkhart, a retired iraq combat veteran who traveled to ukraine shortly after the war began to help train the ukrainians to fight. welcome back to the show, zachary. so what is your plan, what is your reaction, rather, to jen psaki's comments? she is telling americans it is risky, don't go there. >> thanks for having me back. i think that it is risky. i think that there are a lot of unknowns. you don't know who you will be with, you don't know their training level. you don't know the breakdowns. i think that there is just a lot of personal choices that have to be made and unfortunately, it is heartwrenching when a fellow marine dies. it is tough, yeah. >> i know, especially given your military background, the fact that you also went over there to help train the ukrainians. and when i spoke to you about that in march, you said that you felt more of a need to head toward this war than any you had ever fought in before. what is it about this fight that seems to be speaking to so many u.s. soldiers and veterans? >> right. i think that what that was for me, not to speak for others, but what it was for me, just grossly unprovoked invasion of ukraine by putin and just the shear blood shed and tragedy we're watching on the ground and all the different cities, you know. but there are so many ways that americans can go and help military and civilian without actually going to ukraine. the only reason that i went to ukraine was because i went with someone who was born in ukraine, immigrated to the united states, became a citizen. so i did not go to train, it just happened to be that is how i could fit in and that is what they needed at the time. i wouldn't go to train just for that purpose. if people do want go and help, they can help by going to slaughter.win and we need all the experts that we have from fire rescue and military and civilian and even graphic designers. you can sign up to be a volunteer to help the ukrainians by not going to ukraine. >> and i know when people watch these segments, they say how can i help, what more can i do. and i wonder what you think about this, according to the pentagon, u.s. service members in germany have begun training ukrainian soldiers on key systems being used to defend ukraine against the russian invasion. how does that work when they are trying to learn about these weapons and complex systems under the pressures of an ongoing war? >> yeah, you know, a group i'm with is talking about the news daily. and what we're really seeing is this lack of training. we're trying to fight that by providing this app based system that allows them to at least get intro to these really complex weapons systems. because right now, ukrainians are using youtube, using instagram, using whatsapp and signal and text messaging to pass on these snippets of information. and it just seems like the bottleneck for this current fight is -- we're giving them highly complex systems and know-how on to the systems. it is a tragedy in and of itself. >> and i imagine that you have a whole network of former soldiers that you stay in touch with in talking about the war. my husband was in the military and he a constantly talking to veterans. you say that you've helped train ukrainians to be soldiers, that that is just what happened when you were on the ground. do you know, have you talked to any other vet vther veterans whe to ukraine to help them fight? >> i haven't talked to any that helped them fight, but i have talked to numerous who have gone with different groups to go and train or to go and provide logistics support on the ground or set up infrastructure in some way. and if anyone wants to help with that, they can go to overwatch foundation usa.org where we currently have individuals helping out with medical training and trauma training and things like that. >> this is being encouraged by ukraine, having citizens come over and help. and they put up a website where you can go to a list in what it calls the international legion of defense of ukraine. what do you think about that? >> i think if people are interested in that, i think that it is a great -- it is a great need. i think it is great for individuals who want to go and do those things, but i would highly suggest those individuals are experienced veterans. i think that they should be veterans of a foreign war. you know, oif, oef, syria. and i don't think that you should go without doing some background and some research on what you are getting yourself into if you are looking at that situation. >> that is really sound advice. before we let you go, curious, have you been attempted to go back? >> yeah, of course. since the day i got in the military, i've always been tempted for the next fight and the next deployment. of course i want to help my friends. i made a lot of friends in ukraine and as i said, we have people there now. and, yeah, i want to go over again. but i can't say one way or the other. >> zachary burkhart, thanks so much. >> thanks, pamela. we're following breaking news, the shocking loss of a legendary voice, naomi judd dead at age 76. her family and the country music world shattered. also ahead, could vaccines for kids under 5 be reality as early as june? dr. michael chang has advice for nervous parents. plus our experts debate how to solve america's student debt crisis. is forgiveness really the answer? and this renowned environmental list jane goodall tells cnn how she is teaming up with rebel wilson to save the planet. . >> my main job actually for a good many years has been giving people the hope that will lead them to take action. 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>> so for covid vaccine, you know, as its own issue, you know, i think what you need to look at is the information that we have available now. and so, first of all, mrna vaccines are not a new technology. the second thing you have to keep in mind is that mrna is a naturally occurring compound in our body. we make tons ourselves. but it doesn't hang around very long. so an mrna vaccine is not a permanent exposure. and we have millions of doses given in pediatric patients all over the world and we haven't seen any additional safety signals s signals. and so when you take that together and when you consider that it is a smaller dose that has been effective and potentially protecting against severe illness, you know, i think that we should take that data and look at it and say, okay, this seems to be the safest and most effective way to prevent severe illness and hospitalizations from covid. >> but what do you say to the parents who would argue, look, covid is not as dangerous to kids? you look at the numbers that it is not as harmful to kids as it is adults. and based on what i've seen, the data that i've seen, it is not -- this covid vaccine is not as effective in kids as it is adults. so what do you say to that? >> yeah, no, i mean that is definitely through, right? so when you look at it in relation to adult covid illness for sure, kids formatunately ha been less impacted even through delta and omicron relative to adults ths thankfully. but during the omicron phase, we had about one in five hospitalized patients ending up in the icu. so relative to adults, covid is definitely less impactful for pediatric patients, but still is a significant cause of illness in this age group. and when you look at it in context of just pediatric illnesses, covid has actually become one of the leading causes of death in pediatric patients. and so with respect to the fact that kids are less affected, that is relative to adults. but when you look at what makes kids sick, omicron and covid is definitely a big problem. as far as how effective the vaccine is, omicron in general, the vaccines are less effective against omicron. and so that will be true, you know, for this moderna vaccine too. and that is when the data was collected was during omicron surge. and that said, when you talk about a 40% reduction in infections, or 40% effectiveness, what that means is a person immunized a 40% less likely to catch covid. so i'd still take those odds. >> and let's talk about the huge spike in measles cases worldwide. what is your message to parents of kids who missed getting vaccinated for measles? >> my message would be definitely check in with your primary care providers and try to get caught up on any routine childhood i'mizmmunizaimmunizat. and these are routine vaccinations that have been used throughout the united states for a long period of time. and so with respect to measles, it is very contagious. but the vaccine is very effective. and so we know that if we can keep the vaccination rate of 95% or so, you know, then we can be a country that still has no endemic measles. all our measles cases in the united states now are imported cases. >> i want to ask about baby formula. there is a lot going on the baby formula front, right? abbott a major producer of powered infant formula issued a recall of three popular brands in february after four infants fell ill with rare and serious infections. twof two of the babies died. what can you tell us about this bacteria that appeared in the formula and also what can you tell us about the baby formula shortage? how do you comfort parents who need formula right now for their babies? >> yeah, so it is kind of a couple of issues coming together all at once. and so, first of all, the infant powdered formula shortage and all infant formula shortage right now is a supply chain issue which is affecting all parts of our economy and our life. with respect to the abbott recall, you know, just contributing to the supply chain problem, there was an infection that anytime we hear about this particular bacterial infection in infants, we start to think about contaminated infant powdered formulas specifically. now, liquid formulas, those are actually prepared sterilely. powdered formulas are not. but corona factor does exist in the environment, and so the con tam nation of formulas can happen during the manufacturing process and as well as when you get it hope and you open up the container. so i think that the fda did an investigation and found some lapses at the plant that was manufacturing this formula. but, you know, we need more information about that. this infection can be very serious as you noted. it can cause sepsis and as well as infections of the brain and meni meningitis. >> that is, gosh, awful. dr. chang, thank you. and you're in the "cnn newsroom." we continue to follow breaking news, country music legend naomi judd dead at the age of 76. getting new reaction flex. ♪ just till they taste what we've got ♪ ♪ ow, ow ♪ ♪ w with a big, fresh carrot ♪ ♪ and a whole lot of cheese ♪ ♪ and the mirror from your van is halfway dowown the street ♪ ♪ well, you can say thahat --♪ wait, what? 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>> no. i have to say honestly. because as soon as i would start to get an inkling that doubt or despair was going to come into my mind, and this is one of the most valuable lessons that i learned during my illness, that satan is the author of doubt and despair. he is the one that puts that on us. and we are under scripture ral auth authority. and sometimes i would holler out loud, get thee behind me satan and i command you and all your ar archangels to go to hell. >> she was such a strong mother and she really was a strong role model. so talented. that is unbelievable that you have that foot thage and your mother got to talk to her. that is unbelievable. i wanted just to say when i was reading on my way over here for this segment, i was reminded at just how young naomi used to look throughout her life and that people mistakened her and winona for sisters for decades. people didn't realize that naomi was actually winona's mother. and yes, if you don't realize ashley judd is her daughter as well, she produced these talented women. and it is just so incredibly sad. and it will be interesting to see if tomorrow the ceremony for their induction into country music's hall of fame still happens. will ashley and winona be going. and will we get more details as to what exactly happened. >> yeah. and i know that she's had a life long battle with mental health. she has talked about severe depression that she's had. and that interview with my mom was in '94. and she was talking about it back then. and as we saw in the statement you read from her daughters, the sisters, they said that they lost her due to the mental health battle that she had. and my aertheart just goes out them so much. i so understand when they said in this statement this is unknown to us, it is just so unimaginably difficult and our hearts are with their family. chloe, thank you. we'll be right back. i earn 3% cash back at drugstores with chase freedom unlimited. so i got cards for birthdays, holidays, graduations, i'm covered for everything. which reminds me, thk you for driving me to the drugstore. earn b time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. ? 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let's debate this with two important voices on this issue, natalian ial abrams from the stt debt crisis center and christopher morfu from the dean of school education. thank you both for your time tonight. and so natalia, i want to start with you. president biden says $50,000 in debt reduction as we just heard there, per borrower, is not on the table. he made that very clear. and you say forgiving $10,000 is not enough. and that is what we are told the administration is considering. why is that? why is that not enough? >> well, you just mentioned the plight of african-american borrowers in our country and to add to that, after 12 years, they still often owe more than they initially took out. and so the roosevelt institute, a wonderful organization, did a report that the more debt we cancel, the more it's it's not going to completely end it but this is the easiest lever for president biden to pull to help all student loan borrowers and we have to cancel as much debt as we can. >> what do you say to that valid concern of the racial gap when it comes to student debt. i know you argue it's a symptom and not a problem and forgiveness shouldn't be a blank check. what do you say? >> i would agree trying to reduce inequities that came about as a result of student loan debt is a goal we should be pursuing. i think the current proposals are too blunt of an instrument. if you want to reduce debt then you should be aiming the policy in a more focused way. using it for low income, aiming it at low income debtors, for example, and not given a general loan forgiveness check to every one. >> right. right now what is under consideration pretty much anyone could be eligible for this based on their income. earners under 125,000, 150,000 who are single to 350,000 couples would qualify. do you think that perhaps the income cap is too high and should go lower? >> i definitely don't think the income cap is should high. more importantly, this needs to be automatic. question not get another failed repayment program where borrowers would have to do an application. we have to make sure that if we want to help the low income boar ro -- borrowers, it should be automatic. it shows up in your bank account and you don't have to go through tons of hoops to get to the cancellation. >> you also argue that most student debt is good debt. meaning the borrower upsndersto the investment they were making. our current system tells black and latino borrowers to leverage debt. credentials for which they must pay more up front and 20 years into repayment the median black bow roarrower still owes 90% ane median white borrower almost repaid their loan. what do you think about that? >> i would agree that that's the case and for some, for some of those with that. if you want to fix that problem, you should be focusing on higher education outcomes rather than providing loan forgiveness. 40% of those who graduate who default don't have -- haven't graduated from the institution in question. rather than forgiving every one's loans, we would be better off removing institutions from student loan program if they had low graduation rate and high default rates. that would drastically reduce the gap between whites and blacks when it comes to student loan debt. >> mitt romney spoke about this issue asked forgive auto loans, forgive mortgages an put awet t -- a wealth tax on the super rich. what could go wrong? this isn't fair to other borrowers including those who have paid off their student loans. what do you say to senator romney? >> i feel like this is always the argument, what's next? we want a government that works for the people. we want to see people do better and we know that this is, as i said before, the easiest lever for the president to pull. what senator romney was talking about are private debts. that's not money owed to the federal government. keep in mind, the federal government is the banker to all these student loan borrowers and they never intended to be a bank. >> very quickly, dean. final thoughts from you. >> well, i think mitt romney slippery slope is not a good argument either. i think this is less about what's next and more about if you want to fix the problem, that is access to education and high debt. what's the best tool the use? 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